Starsector - Remnant Ordo vs Ziggurat 1v1

[@jeremywellman3518]

Pro tip for ziggurat. rather than wait for motes to recharge and start coming out again after selecting a target, just select empty air and they start to re-deploy immediately.

[@thechair6519]

im trying this rn

[@alonelyperson6031]

Ths is broken af.

[@sigmamale4147]

Does this still work?

[@lancer4947]

i dont think this works but it still works when you use the MOTE attractor on nothing instead of a target

[@snakept69]

3 ships. Game: YoUr FlEeT iS tOo LaRgE tOo DiSeNgAgE!

[@Quadrolithium]

Well, it didn't say "Too many" to disengage. I think this refers to your fleet's "mass". 3 capital sized ships is still big.

[@HughMansonMD]

It might be a remnant from earlier versions or just an unusual way to put it, but I'm pretty sure it more so has to do with fleet speed, which of course is correlated to the individual ship masses. Like I'm pretty sure a fleet of 35 wolf frigates still out maneuvers 1 capital ship in this game.

[@radio5637]

The game measures that via DP (deploy points) the ziggurat is worth 75 points

[@reue100]

You handled that phase better than the ai would have. Gj.

[@Aereto]

Better yet, the Ziggurat the AI piloted was in its prime until you cripple it so you can pilot it yourself. Even when it's crippled, its true power is in who's wielding it. Phase Corps is diminished for having about double the DP, but Phase Mastery with experimental phase coils meant decloaking and cloaking comes fast. Then get up close and personal with tachyon lance and phase lances, using energy weapon mastery and target analysis to extreme effectiveness.

[@pancakeoverlord1886]

The AI sucks at using phase doe

[@josephwilson6199]

@@pancakeoverlord1886 they are fast and quick to react, they're computers so they can phase faster than the almost instantaneous laser beam can hit it.

[@pancakeoverlord1886]

@@josephwilson6199 That's about the only thing they're good at. They don't really do burst dmg which is phase ships' while shtick and they don't know when to back up which usually leads them to being overfluxed and then getting shot to death.

[@josephwilson6199]

Understandable

[@ken2576]

As much as I like Ziggy, it really looks like an alien broccoli for some reason. Anyways, good content as always.

[@MoshiKnight]

The Ziggy is the most powerful vegetable in the sector

[@ken2576]

@@MoshiKnight Which one do you think is better, Doom or Ziggy?

[@MrMatoru]

@@ken2576 ziggy hands down, can phase longer and quicker, more weapon slots, the blue motes are offensive and defensive

[@MoshiKnight]

Gotta agree, ziggy is so much more versatile than doom, but it's kind of hard to hit fast ships sometimes

[@Aereto]

@@MoshiKnight That's what smaller phase ships or even carriers and frigates are for. Dealing with fighters and frigates.

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

Just got this game yesterday. It runs incredibly smooth. I'm having a good time.

[@DeadKavaiol]

Since it's been 5 months I figure you got into mods now and forgot what words "runs smooth" mean.

[@theiridiumgamer5225]

@@DeadKavaiol Just allocate more ram and use enginespeedup, works like a champ even with mods.

[@DeadKavaiol]

@@theiridiumgamer5225 with 10 maybe, but when 20 mods is just your "factions" category you're doomed to 30fps at best. Turning off shaders is graphixlib helps run heavier graphical mods such as Borken, but does not fix the issue. RAM helps, but it's not a universal solution. You still need a decent video card and at least i5 (preferably i7) to run big modpacks.

[@Squishy_yhsiuqS]

@@DeadKavaiol of course also patching java 8 into starsector's files instead of 7

[@whatevermanh7657]

my PC got a memory leak after playing starsector lmao. Tbh really tho your comment just means you got a good PC

[@eleazarvaulter5083]

That's the best OPTION... Tri-tachyon would be proud 👏🏻

[@EEE2431.-]

"This ship is property of Tri-tachyon Inc. and we requesting it's return under our usage." This is what tri tach is like

[@user-sg6zh6vr7h]

@@EEE2431.- oh yeah? We'll return it. Fully equipped, as a matter of fact. I'm even piloting it for security. Plus, a couple of paragons as escorts to be safe.

[@EEE2431.-]

@@user-sg6zh6vr7h btw you can make tri tech be angry by showing ziggurat to hegemony and alpha site(if there was such option...) and with industrial evolution you can reverse enginier it and make much more ziggurats

[@EEE2431.-]

@@user-sg6zh6vr7h also i just got ziggi and i armed it as well as possible

[@9kArdos3]

Press&Hold shift, doing so you can steer and aim with the mouse. That way it's far more accurate and responsive. You can gracefully fly and shoot even with the smallest ships that make a 360 degree turn if you touch the steering button.

[@83athom]

I randomly came across the "system" this thing was in quite early on when I only had 1 cruiser and a handful of destroyers and frigates. Safe to say I reloaded the save and never went into that system the second time around.

[@user-sg6zh6vr7h]

Something like this? i.redd.it/q1j7ftde52v31.jpg

[@elliotdubus4114]

Never saw this ship but dame! It's amazing! And in your experts' hands it's even more impressing.

[@MoshiKnight]

Thank you very much! Phase ships are really fun to use when you get used to them

[@ГенийЖизни-л7ю]

@@MoshiKnight I use tach lances instead of plasma cannons. Have you tried them? They have almost the same refire delay as needlers which makes them great combo. And it is much easier to hit fast ships. With phase cloak tach lance has almost same dps as plasma cannon,as well as does emp damage. The only downside is that they dont build hard flux,but that is not a problem with 4 heavy needlers ;) Reapers in small slots for funsies.

[@Indyscout]

Hello MoshiKnight! I just wanted to say thank you for making these videos! I have found them entertaining and useful for improving my own gameplay. I am a new player to Starsector, I just discovered it last week after watching Sseth's 2 year old video on it and I have been playing it since. If you keep making videos I will be very pleased, subscribed!

[@lorenzocassaro6188]

The Mote Attractor sound effect is just perfect!

[@danutmh]

You dont need a fleet of frigates ,you just need a doom

[@alifio2183]

I sacrificed 3 phase frigates, while deploying 2 conquest and personally pilot 1 safety overridden Doom to get it! My god in its prime that thing's motes are rly a killer. In previous try i lost all my Conquest to its motes...

[@lonestars1158]

I swear every time u shot that lazer, kinda sounded like that puffer fish going "ughhh"

[@Tazato]

Does taking the Ziggurat have any story implications? Like will you eventually go insane like the scientists on Alpha Site?

[@cooldud7071]

No, but your fleet will always be recognized

[@robertkephart5890]

A luddic path leader will have tea with you and be like, " that's some moloch ass shit. Use it right" I may be paraphrasing

[@MrWooaa]

So far, there is no consequence. You always count as recognized when you have it in your current fleet, but other than that there is no big problem.

[@LarryTheMailman]

@@MrWooaa A Tri-Tachyon fleet eventually spawns to reclaim it, but just like with everything else, you can avoid combat (at a rep penalty and with a Story Point).

[@jeremyreese54]

@@LarryTheMailman Just about everything you do spawns a fleet, take a mission to provide resources, get a pirate fleet that wants to kill you to blackmail the person you took the mission for. Create a contact, spawn a fleet to kneecap you. Piss off any faction to -75 or lower, they spawn a doomstack to hunt you.

[@raystargazer7468]

The 1. combat theme is called Condottiere. Amazing!

[@ShadowKueken]

I recommend running lances (with 'High Scatter Amplifier') on it and put them all into one weapon group. You will pop up, absolutely melt something and disappear again and with 'Phase Anchor' you can do this every 2 seconds , killing 10 ships in 30 seconds is quite funny.

[@maksymiliandudzinski1209]

I armed mine with 6 mining blasters or other high damage slow firerate weapons. With the zigs faster phase coil you can shoot, then wait out the reload in phase to shoot much faster

[@oVoidhawko]

It's hard to say no to the sheer pressure of heavy needles + plasma cans, especially in a 1v1. I used to run tackylancers, but it doesn't give you extra hard flux which can let the target run away. Space broccoli is a beast of a vessel

[@b_3nji876]

The ziggurat is straight up scary

[@ssc4649]

I havent played this game for long. But the one and only time ive ever faced a ziggurat in the open i was drifting in space. Low on cohesion and readiness and inbetween retrofits. Like a lurking predator from darkspace. The fucking noises it made were legitimately twrrifying as it destroyed my little fleet with our low tech space hauler turned capitol ship.

[@elliotdubus4114]

Wait you have 25 character points to spend?

[@MoshiKnight]

Yep, I used a mod to set the max level to 25, get it here: fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=20535.0

[@txcr6178]

@@MoshiKnight You don't actually need a mod for this, starsector-core\data\config\settings.json look for playerMaxLevel and change it to whatever you want.

[@FernandoGarcia-hz1gp]

Pretty satisfying to watch, actually

[@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131]

How well does the Ziggurat work while utilizing the Dorito weapons?

[@ripmorld9909]

I gave it the rift torpedo launcher and it was fucking frightening. Comes out of phase for a second and deploy a rift torpedo - goes back into phase and waits for recharge (phase anchor halfes the reload time of weapon while in phase) - then comes out again and deploys another. Almost no ship can withstand more than one shot of the torpedo , and I just blow them to pieces with reapers once they fluxed out

[@Vaz44-4]

The most OP thing ever. I've been soloing practically big Ordos with this thing, with some frigates to take in some aggro and a monitor just in case. Fit in antimatter SRMs on all the small slots, two Resonator MRMs, a Rift Cascade Emiter and Reality Disruptor and this thing shreds everything. I haven't even put too much attention into min/maxing, so you could probably do better.

[@DeadKavaiol]

And some people called Cathedral-class unfair. This one is just broken.

[@hienable6933]

Why didn't you put 2 Autopulse cannons + 4 Ion pulsers on them? We could unload all of our charges then phase back to space

[@EduEnYT]

nobody absolutely nobody novody ever in the history of the human species: "Zigg OP plz nerf" Fracta: "sure no probs. heres 95.1a"

[@hardware72]

Been playing around with the Ziggy some and even with the nerf, it still rolls most everything solo, and is unstoppable with a small supporting fleet short of high tech stations. Hardened Subsystems + ITU built in, Phase Anchor and Resistant Flux Conduits as additions. Then four Heavy Needlers and two Takyon Lances until you get one [Redacted] variant. 45 into vents and the rest into capacitors. If you want to focus on a more ranged game build, replace the Heavy Needlers with Hypervelocity Drivers and you can either keep your capacitors the same or get rid of 25 points for unstable injector. The ranged focus build in a test is much less efficient against a paragon because needler burst damage ends the fight much faster, but if you want to hold back the whole time it's good for that. Needlers also act as a missile and fighter screen I've found and it's cooldown is more in line with the lances.

[@Alphascrub_77]

I want a missile ship like this. That just drops inert missiles into space and then you target a ship and they all fly at the target at once. Op I'm sure but would be fun.

[@Diov514]

What song/songs (not sure) are playing?

[@jagd7102]

You lowered the battle size. Doesn't count. Now go into the game files and increase the limit so you can fight the entire Ordo at once. Then I'll be impressed.

[@lordofthepies]

Wait is tech wrapped twice in your build? Since you say it's 60 capacitors but you can still salvage the lumens

[@MoshiKnight]

Yep, but I was using a mod to increase my max level so I was still able to spec to in combat

[@gamerplays5131]

@@MoshiKnight It would be nice if you do it again with no skills to see how much difference the new skills make

[@MoshiKnight]

@@gamerplays5131 I'll get clapped

[@gamerplays5131]

@@MoshiKnight That's the point, but you could try and present why they are almost essential now at 0.95

[@MoshiKnight]

Not a bad idea honestly, might look into making a vid about that

[@Oryxification]

A really fun combo you can do with taht ship is to use all lance weapons, but with ITU and Enhanced Scatter Amplifier. Just phase in and out between bursts, and the poor fucks can't vent due to constant overloading. Nasty as all hell. Also if your computer is slowing down, you can hit 'B' key to disable the bullet time effect when phasing and go much faster

[@LinWasTaken]

that is so satisfying what mod is that from?

[@richardcreasman6019]

Its base game

[@voxxel]

But can i get this in Vanilla?

[@canti6649]

Yes

[@Aereto]

Yes, but you are going to need serious anti-EMP and anti-phase setups.

[@Stonecargo21]

@@Aereto I used a paragon, conquest, 2 carriers and some frigates to get it Plus it was just the whatever was in the market build for all but the paragon

[@carltheoneeye9353]

I hate the phase system. I'm just not good at using it

[@haux522]

nice game is it on steam?

[@SusanoRipper]

Well, kinda lucky radiant did not have tachyon, but still impressive, very. I like to use antimatery blasters but in brawls with very redacted ships it takes a huge toll on flux while blasting all 6 of them.

[@aqua4426]

i use the tachyon lance build with sabot pods

[@dewasenna4405]

May i ask you how to get this ship?

[@ken2576]

Go to Galatia and find the academy. Keep doing the main quest

[@dewasenna4405]

@@ken2576 thank you sir

[@mrsheep8455]

@@dewasenna4405 you can get the ship early by just going top right of try-tacheons main place (think it’s called Hyperion) and tranverse jump the purple cloud. It’s pretty far away from the system

[@dewasenna4405]

@@mrsheep8455 thank you so much :D

[@Camcolito]

@@dewasenna4405 Yeah you have to be able to beat a more powerful version of it first though..

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

It's tough to hate Ziggy!

[@jbdbruybhdhcy]

Super cool

[@randaru1527]

Just unlocked this thing, was extremely disappointed. Costs more to upkeep and deploy than Paragon despite having practically no chance at beating one, doesn't synergize well with phase captain skills despite demanding them to basically function, gets bullied by everyone and their grandma in big fleet battles in close combat builds, isn't worth its salt in long range builds (plasing gives faster reloading but it's only two heavy energy slots). Unlike Doom, it can't be deployed consecutively due to unreasonable CR cost and repair time (and you usually don't really have to, since it can't run retreating enemies down either), can't open shields for your fleet, and has no means of protecting its rear; the only thing it does better is fighting other phase ships, but still does it worse than Paragon. Giving the player a nerfed version was a bad move on devs' part, since even the original version would've been hard to justify including into your fleet for anything other than roleplay/memes.

[@Stonecargo21]

I have been able to 1v3 conquests while they support from frigates and destroyers, it depends on the build and it is horrible for the AI to use, but if you have high damage burst weapons you can pop out of phase cloak for a second, fire while the enemies are disabled with the motes (usually 1-3 fully disabled depending on size and your skill), and go back into phase cloak to recharge your weapons You can absolutely melt destroyers in 1-2 shots and cruisers in 3, and capitals just take time when they can't shoot you because of the motes My build doesn't even have the 6 synergy slots used because I can't find any antimatter blasters and can't bother with how well it does without them

[@Oryxification]

Mate, use Lance weapons and high burst damage shit with ITU, unstable injector, and high scatter amplifier. It fucks up nearly anything by overloading shields with hard flux, phasing out, then phasing in at a blindspot. It's terrifying in the right hands.

[@randaru1527]

@@Oryxification I wrote a reply about Ziggurat actually being good at everything other than deployment logistics, and youtube censored my comment. Yeah, Ziggurat has a lot of downsides on space map, but when it comes to the battlefield, it's hands down the best capital ship when controlled by the player.

[@Oryxification]

@@randaru1527 And I solved THAT by increasing battlesizes by editing the settings of the game's settings.json. Much larger battles!

[@bgymn-fn8jy]

infinite torpedos

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

dislike for putting the most [REDACTED] ship right on the thumbnail.

[@BMW-pd2tt]

Doom could beat that any day of the week tho

[@Aereto]

A Doom and a Harbinger. One to force a decloak, and one to put mines right where they decloak.

[@hardware72]

PVP 1v1 maybe. The motes follow the ship even when phased and just wait, making any phased ship easy to EMP when they decloak. Ziggy can stay cloaked longer, and has better sustain in combat so it'd come down to a boring wait it out battle unless a Doom could land lucky torps on it.

[@MrWooaa]

Wow,