Behringer TD3-MO vs TD-3 // The definitive comparison

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Starsky Carr

Starsky Carr

Күн бұрын

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@SirSybian
@SirSybian 3 жыл бұрын
50bux and a coupla pingers for a devilfish, thanks Uli x
@Mr.Marbles
@Mr.Marbles 7 ай бұрын
uli... still waiting for that rd6-MO uli. ULIIII pls ULIIIIII
@adub303
@adub303 3 жыл бұрын
6:55 I have the original TD-3 and if you carefully balance the waveform switch between saw and square you can effectively turn the wave off. Brilliant for external drum processing through the filter and distortion! 😈
@lassel1644
@lassel1644 3 жыл бұрын
Original TD-3? Well the original is the Roland TB-303 from 1982... Just for clarification.
@adub303
@adub303 3 жыл бұрын
@@lassel1644 I meant the original TD-3 vs the MO version of which Starsky was showing off the "waveform off" feature. But, since you mentioned it, yes I do have an original TB-303 from 1982 😀 (I didn't get mine until 1998, but I've had it since)
@lassel1644
@lassel1644 3 жыл бұрын
@@adub303 Ok thats very cool👍...i still got my Juno-60 ...
@adub303
@adub303 3 жыл бұрын
@@lassel1644 Awesome! Do you have a JSQ-60 or MD-8 or MSQ-700 for it? I still have a fair condition Juno 6, but I mainly use the clock input to sync (or syncopate) the arpeggiator. Still trying to figure out how to get my Aira EFX to "talk" to the VCF control/expression jack ever since learning that the ins and outs are DC-coupled CV 😈
@lassel1644
@lassel1644 3 жыл бұрын
@@adub303 I had the JSQ-60 before this vintage mania started like in 2003. Today my Juno is mostly in the closet. I sold my MonoPoly in the beginning of vintage mania. I have the Modx, Kross2 and Fa06 which is my main gear rig. I am not so technical so i cant help you with your issues...
@psience_1
@psience_1 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison Starsky.
@usedusermoser
@usedusermoser 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lord Carr🙇‍♂️we plebs are not worthy! Just a side note please don’t forget the neutron, just saying 🙇‍♂️
@hut48
@hut48 2 жыл бұрын
Are they exactly the same size? Wondering if covers or stands work for both
@BendApparatus
@BendApparatus 2 жыл бұрын
They look identical in dimensions.
@audreyazwell
@audreyazwell 2 жыл бұрын
Uh ok, ok, we need to figure this out my European brother: I'm American right? But when I click your affiliate link it brings me to a UK page! So they're not tethered apparently! Maybe something to look into! I was totally about to price check a second TD3 because I know they're cheaper now and I got stuck with a frickin red one (argh lol) and kinda want a silver (gonna do the AM MO!). I wanna make sure you can get a few bucks!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks... haha you can tell I'm not a businessman then :) Its a real pain for us tbh. Amazon decides if I'm in the UK/Europe ... but most of my viewers aren't. If I've an Amazon accent I can't see how I can have UK/EU and US links. I might have to become an honorary 'anywhere but UK' citizen ... aargh ;)
@xfgher
@xfgher 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds nice! Though the original is far from lame, the trick is in the building of patterns and usage of effects, and it’s nice that it forces you to go that way. Box vs box the extra 100€ for the MO sounds worth it though ! Very cool from behringer to bring this on the market
@cresshead
@cresshead 3 жыл бұрын
Good review, the original TD-3 has less scope for sound but also less scope to muck up the patch! TD-3 MO expands on what's possible but is also more difficult to dial up the original sound within all those new parameters. I say: GET BOTH !
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!
@zuur303
@zuur303 3 жыл бұрын
I have an original, got the TD-3 to help with reducing overdubs (sounds a bit brighter as you mentioned so it's a nice companion) but now the MO is in pre-order limbo. 😩
@cresshead
@cresshead 3 жыл бұрын
@@zuur303 yeh world supply logistics is affecting everyone.
@steveclifford6893
@steveclifford6893 3 жыл бұрын
@@zuur303 Only 15 days wait now in Europe, I have mine on pre-order from Holland!
@cesanbucek8587
@cesanbucek8587 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveclifford6893 what shop? :)
@LouisSerieusement
@LouisSerieusement 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for info about the devil fish from behringer, and I was really happy to see that you had a video on it ! I totally love your review, they are how reviews and gear analysis should be Thanks a lot !
@pizzagogo6151
@pizzagogo6151 3 жыл бұрын
Great run through (& comparison), as always. Fantastic that Behringer made an affordable modded version....not sure if I really need its additional features....but ....for the small amount of money they are charging 🤔it’s very hard not get one just for some giggles😀 ....( 10:00 also enjoyed the guest cat ear appearance 😁)
@gnarlysoundscapes7210
@gnarlysoundscapes7210 3 жыл бұрын
I don't own one so I could be wrong, but I imagine taking the audio from the filter output jack is how you bypass the overdrive.
@redirishmanxlt
@redirishmanxlt 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that. I noticed you left the comment 10 months ago, have you come across any more info on this?
@nobbystyles4807
@nobbystyles4807 2 жыл бұрын
to my ears having spent a lifetime buy acid house records the original is way more authentic. the 303 sound is the most miss understood and miss used sound in all of house music. in the right hands its a deeply soulful instrument. you dont need to make it scream at all.
@lundsweden
@lundsweden 2 жыл бұрын
That color and that smiley face! Uli should chuck some party pills in the box, so we can reexperience 1988! 😵‍💫
@steveclifford6893
@steveclifford6893 3 жыл бұрын
The M-O version will be the most versatile version of any derivative of the original 303, I'm thinking it will be great in a few deep house numbers, because it drops, whereas the original can sound way too spiky and always sits outside the mix , Oh, chill out has well , chill step , chilli and chips , you get the picture !
@MrOuija-rr8kq
@MrOuija-rr8kq 2 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but you can make the filter go further on the original by turning a screw on the motherboard.
@floyd101954
@floyd101954 10 ай бұрын
Another great video comparison. After watching it several times you convinced me to go for the modded out version. Just got it a few weeks ago and it’s just got so much going for it. A perfect marriage Midi synced to my RD6. Thanks again for all of your time and efforts putting out these great videos
@mbrombert
@mbrombert 2 жыл бұрын
It is basically as if Rubberduck from back in the day made a piece of hardware... gotta get my hands on one!
@Robert-yl8rq
@Robert-yl8rq 2 жыл бұрын
Best video on the subject. Thanks for taking the time to create the video. I am sure you've helped a lot of people like myself.
@eak1da
@eak1da 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for a comparison to decide which one to buy, but now I have more doubts than before 😁. Great review and comparison! Thanks.
@onpatrolforthejuice
@onpatrolforthejuice 3 жыл бұрын
I did most of these mods on my td-3 and then all of a sudden they are coming out with this thing for a little but more cash. Hey behringer, while you are fixing stuff, how about fix the damn sequencer and take it out of the1980's. Every other 303 clone has done the sequencer so much better. Especially the Xoxbox sequencer.
@JamesCorbettMusic5000
@JamesCorbettMusic5000 3 жыл бұрын
But you won’t create those accidents which actually sound good
@onpatrolforthejuice
@onpatrolforthejuice 3 жыл бұрын
@@JamesCorbettMusic5000 well yeah that's true. Also taking it apart and fiddling with it is half the fun of these little cheap machines =)
@Imetalman2000
@Imetalman2000 2 жыл бұрын
You can program sequence on the app. Super easy to use.
@bentropy
@bentropy 2 жыл бұрын
Can I suggest that you augment this excellent video on the MO (the best I’ve watched and I’ve watched a bunch, to quell GAS) with a video demo’ing some of what you can do with the CV and patch bay routings? I think it would be fun for you and edifying for us! Thanks!
@stu9000
@stu9000 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I've been waiting 25 years (seriously) to afford this sound.
@halcyondaystunes
@halcyondaystunes 3 жыл бұрын
Why?? There have been plenty of alternatives in recent years including the original version of this
@stu9000
@stu9000 3 жыл бұрын
@@halcyondaystunes alternatives to the Devilfish? Other than modding something myself?
@discospangea
@discospangea 2 жыл бұрын
x2
@K-Riz314
@K-Riz314 2 жыл бұрын
The filter tracking response reminds me of the wonderful PCF feature in how it modulated the sequence on Propellerheads Rebirth software back in the day, except with a single parameter. Very nice.
@robmmcc
@robmmcc Жыл бұрын
I still own Rebirth running on a rebuilt Windows 98 PC!
@DanielHuman1996
@DanielHuman1996 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps there is too much tweakability on the MO. You can easily make a sequence unrecognizable or abrasive, especially with the soft attack and portamento knobs. On the original, you can't really go wrong no matter what knobs you tweak!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
That's essentially why I made this video... trying to make it more accessible rather than it being a load of new knobs and switches to get random stuff. At least if someone can understand what's going on they can make the most of it. Before I looked into it the whole thing was a mystery!
@asbjrnandersen4222
@asbjrnandersen4222 Жыл бұрын
I desperately wanted to write a review on Thomann saying just that! But not allowed…😢 I already had the TD3, but I could imagine someone going directly for the MO, being disappointed. I still think it’s weird that the cutoff can be too low for the envelope.
@tranceemerson8325
@tranceemerson8325 3 жыл бұрын
I love it when a quirky analog squelching synth has that WASP color theme
@shpongled587
@shpongled587 9 күн бұрын
might as well be all red and see thru
@LousyFacelift
@LousyFacelift 2 жыл бұрын
Spent a lot more time with the MO and I'm totally convinced by now! Once you get the hang of it you can make it bark like a Rottweiler: Amazing!!! But it doesn't fully replace the original, they are a lot more different than I thought. Sooner or later you need to get both!
@MD_is_me
@MD_is_me 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I was considering the MO over the basic TD3 but I think the basic TD3 is the ticket for me. I just wish Behringer would release an RD-6-MO, aka the "608".
@johnumm2472
@johnumm2472 2 жыл бұрын
Yes this . World love a 608 . :-) Mo seems nice, but it's not a 303
@johnumm2472
@johnumm2472 2 жыл бұрын
I got the td3, love it . I do mod it with my crave, which works brilliantly
@UrsHerrmann
@UrsHerrmann 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnumm2472 how?
@UkeJamUK
@UkeJamUK 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrsHerrmann Well, simplest is to take the CV gate out of the TD-3 and slave the crave to it, then ...... it's up to you, the TD-3 sequencer is more musical than the crave's, the craves 2nd oscillator and filter + LFO give the TD3 lines an amazing ravey quality. I love them together.
@RaspberryMeatsicle
@RaspberryMeatsicle 2 жыл бұрын
Word, I haven't patch my modded one into the Neutron yet (baby steps) but I already know it's gonna be bonkers
@Johnny6d2
@Johnny6d2 3 жыл бұрын
min 5.58 td3 just cant do that. plays td3 and automatically sound better (at least to my ears)
@samueldavies8461
@samueldavies8461 2 жыл бұрын
Td3 is square wave with distortion compared to MO with sawtooth. Not a good comparison
@iamtrevorlang
@iamtrevorlang Жыл бұрын
The original sounds way better… I wish they just had some additional patch points… love mine. The MO is still great amd I want one of course!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
No-one can deny the original sounds great, its nice to have the additional features on the MO, but if you want the classic sound ... there is only one!
@LesDeuxLoveOrchestra
@LesDeuxLoveOrchestra Ай бұрын
Starsky! No mention of the flashing red lights inside and underneath??? What the hell??? :)
@RaspberryMeatsicle
@RaspberryMeatsicle 2 жыл бұрын
Just got mine yesterday. Goosebumps. That little box absolutely slaps.
@LousyFacelift
@LousyFacelift 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm.... The og seems a lot more controlled and pleasant sounding to me tbh. The risk of "outtweaking" the sound and ending up with nothing (but shrill sounding chirps that hurt your ears) is a lot higher in the mo and in a live situation I would prefer the simplicity of the og. Maybe I need a little more time with it but so far I'm not convinced. I thought it was possible to simply take all the extra stuff out of the signal path and have the og sound and then decide what to add to it. The fact that the overdrive is constantly part of the signal and almost acts like a level knob is quite confusing and a lot less flexible than I had imagined. Even if I keep the mo, the og TD-3 is going nowhere, that's for sure...
@asbjrnandersen4222
@asbjrnandersen4222 Жыл бұрын
I have both and would definitely recommend starting with the TD3. I had no prior experience with a 303 and it was instant paydirt, whereas I initially would have to work more for something usable on the MO.
@CtDawG77
@CtDawG77 Ай бұрын
Anyone else have the issues of midi data freezing with the MO? It happens alot when sequencing from my Digitakt I then need either to start/stop the TB-3-MO internal sequencer for midi to restart the midi notes playing or hit panic button on my MRCC 880 Midi router.
@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf
@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf 8 күн бұрын
Curious to know, if a td3 slide could be sharp enough to make a 303 kick….😬😬🙈😂
@davidrobertson4301
@davidrobertson4301 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the straight td3 couldn't be bothered for the mo to come to Australia in another years time.... I'm going to have both
@MrCowfood
@MrCowfood 3 жыл бұрын
The overdrive circuit was a total shame. I like my acid clean. No strychnine in my blotter please. So I have to mod the modded out td3 to go there. Or maybe just mod my td3 with the elements I find most important. Meh...I can't justify this purchase.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
This definitely isn't clean. But that's the beauty of it... if you like it dirty :)
@volt7cooltangs701
@volt7cooltangs701 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you. I love the TD-3 but never use the distortion.
@redirishmanxlt
@redirishmanxlt 3 ай бұрын
I was hoping I'd get to hear what the overdrive sounded like on a typical pattern, but you jumped right over it. Good video otherwise!
@LB-pp7pu
@LB-pp7pu 2 ай бұрын
2:23 Uhmmm, seems like the filter on the MO is noisier? That kind of MS20ish vca white noise thing?
@shpongled587
@shpongled587 9 күн бұрын
I wish I never got a TD3 of any kind. Shit is cheap for a reason.
@user-JM1967
@user-JM1967 6 ай бұрын
Are all original patterns in c major?
@lundsweden
@lundsweden 2 жыл бұрын
The TB-303 is supposed to have the same low pass filter as the System 100 (1975) and SH5. But it sounds much less overdriven to me. Does the TB/TD have a diode ladder filter? 🤓
@simonkormendy849
@simonkormendy849 2 жыл бұрын
I've had a look at the original TB-303 schematics, and if my memory isn't too rusty, the VCF in the TB-303 was indeed a Diode-Ladder filter, but, the diodes in the filter were actually transistors connected-up as diodes with the transistor's base connected to it's collector, so, you could easily substitute small-signal diodes like the 1N4148 for each transistor and the circuit would still work the same, assuming you were interested in building the TB-303 VCF as a stand-alone synth module.
@erikavery1105
@erikavery1105 2 ай бұрын
I'll Get the MO...More Stuff to Play With! 😁😁😁😁😁
@detroitologist
@detroitologist 2 жыл бұрын
There's really no bypass of the overdrive circuit Behringer? Thank you for clarifying this. I guess you have to buy a TD3 and TD3-MO.
@timothy_synth
@timothy_synth 2 жыл бұрын
I returned the MO and got myself a normal TD-3. It just sounds better in a musical context because it is super easy to use. But I miss the Overdrive of the bigger brother!
@jordanbenson2980
@jordanbenson2980 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on the sounds, and what you miss in the Overdrive and be added in the DAW. It's really not a loss and for the price of the original, it's hard not to love it
@bombjelly5795
@bombjelly5795 Жыл бұрын
A nice pedal can fix that😊
@timothy_synth
@timothy_synth Жыл бұрын
@@bombjelly5795 true that. I got myself a compression limiter pedal and it sounds awesome when turning it all the way up
@neonpop80
@neonpop80 Жыл бұрын
The tb03 has OD
@jordanbenson2980
@jordanbenson2980 Жыл бұрын
@@neonpop80 it has distortion not overdrive
@EchoKraft
@EchoKraft Жыл бұрын
I actually have the MO and love it. I think the original is very cool as well. I have a couple of TB 303 clones by Roland. I’m probably gonna get a TD 3 original as well. I think all of them have unique features and sounds. Awesome comparison! As usual your videos are awesome ! Thank you 🙏🏻
@dannyjaco8997
@dannyjaco8997 8 ай бұрын
Can you use it to replace a bass guitar?
@EchoKraft
@EchoKraft 8 ай бұрын
I guess I mean you can use it as a bass synth without the throaty filter FX.
@cameroncollins4423
@cameroncollins4423 2 ай бұрын
i like the old one more but everyone likes their own sound. I think the mo looks better tho.
@JamesCorbettMusic5000
@JamesCorbettMusic5000 3 жыл бұрын
Been on preorder for months, anyone got any news on supply? UK? I’m gagging to get the damn thing
@ozzy3ml
@ozzy3ml Жыл бұрын
This vid is the reason I ordered a td-mo today. Can't wait to pair it with my mb-33 retro
@ThinkerThunker
@ThinkerThunker Жыл бұрын
Great review. But why can NEITHER unit (or any clone) get that "Josh Wink" 303 sound from his song "Higher State of Consciousness?"
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
It’ll have have been distorted by a particular unit/amp/speaker combo then through a desk, possibly distorted again via the preamps (big thing with Mackies at the time), compressed in the mix then compressed again at mastering. Trying to get an EXACT match is virtually impossible.
@ThinkerThunker
@ThinkerThunker Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr This guy NAILED the sound. But by shifting the phase on a vst synth. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmmvZGqifr2Nf7c
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
@@ThinkerThunker all he's done there is reduce the pulse width on the vst a fraction to make it more 303 ish - the vst he chose created a perfect square, like most - the hardware emulations already do this. He just realised the 303 didn't produce a perfect square by looking at the schematics. He could've just listened to it - its obvious. A square and a pulse sound much different- a pulse is a lot buzzier, containing more even harmonics. He doesn't shift the phase .. he did try using 2 but went back to a single track. But he has used some distortion units as well - which like I say is hugely important - the hardware units don't have exactly the same distortion as what he's using or what Josh Wink used. And I wouldn't say his was identical either tbh. But he does a good job of getting a 303 style tone from a non-303 vst.
@ThinkerThunker
@ThinkerThunker Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Yeah, I've tried different distortion and effects chains, but no still no luck. At this point it's just a puzzle I'm trying to solve. Thanks for the info SC, I really appreciate it. You're one of the few who's opinion I really respect on all this.
@Vingul
@Vingul Ай бұрын
@@ThinkerThunker I read a comment somewhere saying that Wink had manually modified it in some way.
@geet77777
@geet77777 2 жыл бұрын
they finally make an affordable one then immediately release a replacement I cant afford.
@gapster77
@gapster77 3 жыл бұрын
As always, a sterling review, good show, old chap!
@AlekseiDroganov
@AlekseiDroganov 3 жыл бұрын
You know man, you are the Super Best the Best Reviewer at all Century 💪🌎. It is really true. I guess, no I am sure that many of your subscribers will agree with me. Keep going on it! 💪👍
@tresporros
@tresporros 3 жыл бұрын
my only concern is that it has more knobs, more sound design abilities, but from that video I can hear a lot of squeaky sounds, dunno if that's because the parameters were set up that way or it's generally more 'squeaky sounding' instrument (more orthodox one trick pony?:)
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because I’m taking it to the edges… to emphasise the differences. You can keep it less squeaky :)
@muzikman2008
@muzikman2008 3 жыл бұрын
Heard "rip it up" by orange juice in there 😎👌 sounds great but I got a volca bass.. Don't need any more squelchy bass lol. Great comparison starsky 😎👍
@Gabrimiel
@Gabrimiel Жыл бұрын
I'm just surprised no one talks about the changes in the overdrive which is for me part of the core of the 303, i don't know which one to buy first cause i really like the controls and cv of the MO but the overdrive has always felt more punchy in the OG version, especially with that tone parameter and the on of switch which offers versatility
@Gabrimiel
@Gabrimiel Жыл бұрын
On/off*
@ewanmatheson4235
@ewanmatheson4235 3 ай бұрын
As someone with both, it's worth mentioning. It's relatively difficult to get the MO to sound like a 'classic' 303, which the standard does out the box. For my money, if you are set on getting the classic 303 sound, I'd stick with the standard model, you can get there with the MO but it needs a bit of external EQ to roll out the bottom end.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 Ай бұрын
Is that the general consensus (that the TD3 sounds more like the og 303 11:30 )? Or is it just more difficult/complicated to dial in the original 303 sound on the MO?
@ewanmatheson4235
@ewanmatheson4235 Ай бұрын
@@kierenmoore3236 I'm not sure it's the consensus. I do know from the original devilfish on which the mo is based to get the classic 303 sound you need to pull some of the bass frequencies out. The mo is exactly the same it's quite weighty in the bass and doesn't sound like the 303 and is more it's own thing. That being said, get the mo if you want both and just shelf the low end and you have a classic 303.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 Ай бұрын
@@ewanmatheson4235 Thanks mate. I was just reading Robin Vincent’s Sound On Sound review as well, and he seems to echo the suggestion that the og 303 sound gets lost amongst all the MO mods. So, maybe it’s in there somewhere still, but a bit of a faff to get to? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
@ewanmatheson4235
@ewanmatheson4235 Ай бұрын
@@kierenmoore3236 Yeah absolutely. I only work with hardware so it's best that I forget that it's got anything to do with a 303 as the sound is quite different. If I want something that gives that instant 303 tickle it's best to use the standard version.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 Ай бұрын
@@ewanmatheson4235 Thank you, Sir. Makes sense then that 303-fans end up with both. 😏 Well played, Uli … Well played …
@bLiNdEDM
@bLiNdEDM 3 жыл бұрын
excellent, thanks for making this. Seems it's still back ordered for a minute (modded out)
@nym053
@nym053 3 жыл бұрын
Even though there's all these extra functions on the Mo version, I don't really care for the sound it adds to the palette. That overdrive don't really do it for me for once, and you can't even turn it off 😅
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not for everyone.. (obvs 😀) and yeah.. there’s no escaping the overdrive.
@burprobrox9134
@burprobrox9134 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr take from filter out
@mrkeeny
@mrkeeny 2 жыл бұрын
Same , hate overdrive on 303. Heresy!
@nym053
@nym053 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrkeeny I don't hate overdrive on 303 though 😆
@mrkeeny
@mrkeeny 2 жыл бұрын
@@nym053 we can’t be friends then
@taylortorrenceofficial
@taylortorrenceofficial 5 ай бұрын
This video is incredible man! Thank you so much!
@kazooieman
@kazooieman 3 жыл бұрын
Will I be able to layer both of them? If I can, which model is recommended as the main bassline?
@synthcollector
@synthcollector 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! i sold my TB and don't regret!
@DiSC0RDUK
@DiSC0RDUK 2 жыл бұрын
The spec for the MO lists 'audio input for external sound sources (3.5mm jack);' but I can't see any evidence of this in manual or on device??
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
If you look at the pictures there’s 3 filter in jacks. Audio, FM and CV. I guess it’s the one labelled FILTER IN. But I’ve not tried it.
@DiSC0RDUK
@DiSC0RDUK 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr my next question would be is it audio thru or can the audio be manipulated in some way (similar to the way an Electribe EMX1 would use the audio in, although I appreciate that the EMX is more applying FX to the audio and in the TD3 the knobs are more to do with tweaking the analogue signal)
@benbrophy6905
@benbrophy6905 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. Thank you so much. Has inspired me to buy one. Just stumbled on you and have subbed. Helping newbies learn how to use the tools. Thank you
@centralbpm
@centralbpm 2 жыл бұрын
Is this the same as a DevilFish 303 classic mod?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think it's almost identical. Just one addition as far as I can recall - although I can't remember what it was. Maybe the sub osc level but don't quote me on that ;)
@yvesb.5190
@yvesb.5190 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this comparison! Some months ago, I was about to get a TD-3 but then there were rumours about a "Modded Out" version... so I was holding back. Once MO was officially announced, I was 100% convinced that this one was the ine to go for. Your video left me a bit "perplexed"... cause while you certainly CAN do more with the MO version (if you know how to do it), it also looks much harder to program. The MO looks (much) nicer though! From what I understood, it is not possible to make the MO version sound exactly ike the regular TD-3, right?? 🤔 So the verdict is, we need both...?! 😄
@audreyazwell
@audreyazwell 2 жыл бұрын
Your verdict is correct haha I'll tell you this too, the MO feels MUCH nicer quality than the first, the first is like, super junky feeling, extremely lightweight and plastic. The MO seems to be at least twice the quality, physically speaking, that really surprised me!
@MadelnMachines
@MadelnMachines 2 жыл бұрын
Did they ever release this? Seems impossible to buy until sometime next march?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m the U.K. it’s in loads of stores… has been for a while….. just looked and everywhere has now sold out 🤷‍♂️
@marsmediapro
@marsmediapro Ай бұрын
Just ordered a MO version from Sweetwater, on sale-- I think it is worth it to have both. My original TD3 goes thru effects and actually sounds quite different than it's vanilla flavors. Thanks for another great video!
@mattheushenriquerodriguesm5901
@mattheushenriquerodriguesm5901 6 ай бұрын
i'm about to get my first analogue synthesizer, and I've seen a deal with two td3's and an rd6 for 250£, and a single td3-mo for 200£, and i cant make my mind.. can anyone give some advice?
@The_Master_Brain
@The_Master_Brain 3 ай бұрын
I bought MO and Normal because the normal version is much better if you need the ACID Sound in the foreground.
@DaftRebel
@DaftRebel 3 жыл бұрын
Great looking and comprehensive video! keep them coming! Greetings from Argentina!
@De_Bars_Gullible_Travels
@De_Bars_Gullible_Travels 8 ай бұрын
Hellooooo everyone…. I’m new to all this,about 2 years in…. But I’m lucky enough to have bought the td3 aaaaaand the mo… I use the mo with the accent button taped down,it’s Fcuking beautiful at creating a very melodic sound,the td3 is used for the barks and filth!!! Starsky,as ever,thank you for these videos,you are a legend!!! Happy new year everyone!!!!
@ChaosToOrder777
@ChaosToOrder777 Жыл бұрын
Nice. but the modded version doesn't sound like a 303. 😢 Good in its own way but sounds like a copy. Lol
@deejannemeiurffnicht1791
@deejannemeiurffnicht1791 Жыл бұрын
I do really like my TD-3, but do wish I'd held back a little for a couple of MO's. However, never say never! They suit my 'thing' much more and don't need further external processing (which I don't mind as I love farting around to find out what it can or can't anyhow.. but... well... y'knowwwww... may as well cut to the chase and get the MO s I KNOW exactly what I want from it before I even get it. For the time being, what TD-3 lacks, my TB-3 makes up for underneath much of the time. All sounds good.
@outerrealmrecords529
@outerrealmrecords529 Жыл бұрын
in reality the mo gives like 3 new usable sounds, while losing the tweakability of a 303... overall disappointing unless you want those 3 sounds
@chameleon47
@chameleon47 Жыл бұрын
Basically the MO is more like the Avalon Bassline- with not quite as many features, and at 1/4th the price.
@farukyasar5352
@farukyasar5352 2 жыл бұрын
Super Video.! Made me decide to buy a TD3-MO
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@teikomat
@teikomat 8 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for the comparison. Had to buy both .. obviously (:
@AutisticCuriosity
@AutisticCuriosity 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm by the end of the video the sound coming out of this thing really started to get irritating! Think it might be useful for getting prisoners to talk!
@Plaw01
@Plaw01 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to run external audio through the filter and disable the existing oscillator? Certainly looks like it but you couldn't do that via the original.
@Erdnase23
@Erdnase23 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with all the clones is that none of them can do the, for want of better words - and here is where words to describe sound fail me - that deep bouncing ‘boing’ of the original. Getting the high tweet doesn’t seem to escape them, but the deep chewy bounce always does. And if someone else has better terminology please step in.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
Haha.. now you know my pain when trying to describe stuff!! I get ya 😂
@mauriziomauricone
@mauriziomauricone 3 жыл бұрын
All modern TB-303 clones or exact replica's will NEVER EVER sound like a 35 year old TB-303 simply because of the aging of the components. This is the same reason why all vintage TB-303s sound different. Maybe, just maybe, a current copy of a RE-303 will sound like a TB-303 today in 2055 LOL.
@RJ1J
@RJ1J 3 жыл бұрын
It makes no sense that Roland just don't re-release the analogue 303, especially since the revival of analogue in the past 10 years. They'll literally leaving millions on the table. They'd make much more than people buying Roland Cloud.
@Erdnase23
@Erdnase23 3 жыл бұрын
@@mauriziomauricone that sound that I’m describing was there way back in end of the 80s Summer Of Love.
@mauriziomauricone
@mauriziomauricone 3 жыл бұрын
@@Erdnase23 I was there too but it's too long ago. I could listen back the old records but all those tracks are prolly processed anyway and not the raw TB-303 sound. I have 2 TD-3 and they sound more then okay to me. The way music sound back in the day is forever gone anyhow so it's no problem now I guess. Not gonna pay 3K for a vintage TB.
@Optical_Ollusion
@Optical_Ollusion 9 ай бұрын
Can the TD3 MO still sound like the original?? I really liked the bit at 6:00
@goednieuwskrantje-nl
@goednieuwskrantje-nl 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad you can't turn off the overdrive. Maybe there should be a MKII where you can.
@paulwhiting1731
@paulwhiting1731 3 жыл бұрын
Very good review. Just wondered if the build quality is any better than the original? I have the first TD 3 and it's very light and plastickey.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
It's about the same tbh. The Behringers may even feel a little lighter (as I'm assuming the components are smaller these days)
@paulwhiting1731
@paulwhiting1731 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Thank you
@Kobymaru0678
@Kobymaru0678 Жыл бұрын
Having owned an OG TB-303 I find the build quality of the TD's to be better and sturdier than the OG 303s.
@gouhlgambit6296
@gouhlgambit6296 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that you have not shown off the CV in capability’s is a missed opportunity !!
@roncoots3800
@roncoots3800 Жыл бұрын
Love the MO... just doesn't look like they be back..... Boooooo
@rave2173
@rave2173 2 жыл бұрын
Does the red accent button stay in on it own when pushed or do you have to hold it in ?
@LousyFacelift
@LousyFacelift 2 жыл бұрын
You need to hold it. But it's no problem to alter a pattern so that all notes are accented if that's what you want it to sound like.
@GearGuy
@GearGuy Жыл бұрын
@@LousyFacelift Is the same true for the sub-bass button…do you have to hold it as well or does that one latch?
@LousyFacelift
@LousyFacelift Жыл бұрын
@@GearGuy That one latches.
@ionianechoes
@ionianechoes 2 жыл бұрын
Terrible, these people really can't get a synth sounding half decent
@vaderbase
@vaderbase 3 жыл бұрын
I want this MO. No excuses.
@thegreglowe
@thegreglowe 2 жыл бұрын
My MO has finally shipped today from the US. It can join my two silver TD3 and make a happy acid family. I saw another comparison which showed how us can use the TD3 for more classic basslines and MO for richer, more diverse bassy sounds. So they can work well together
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. They are a great pair.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 Ай бұрын
Do you have a link/recall what video this was! 😬🙃🙏🏼
@thegreglowe
@thegreglowe Ай бұрын
@kierenmoore3236 this one I think kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppy5aXeYlN-amqssi=mn_OCqlCft1CurGo
@bobz1736
@bobz1736 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review 👌 Nice watch 👍 Better than a table full of cacti 😅
@mrbreaker101
@mrbreaker101 3 жыл бұрын
Question - how does it compare to an original 303 with the DevilFish mod?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 3 жыл бұрын
Who knows!! I’ve looked at the manual and it seems to be doing the same - whether it sounds the same is a mystery 😂 it has the same functions as the DevilFish with the addition of the sub on the Behringer.
@stevenjouretz
@stevenjouretz 3 жыл бұрын
The functions are the same but the sound can be very different. My conclusion from seeing the video below is that 50% sounds almost spot on, and 50% sounds like a completely different instrument. So you can get some very similar sounds out of it and it sounds really good, but it's definitely not the same. Video comparing the TD3 mod vs 303 Devilfish mod: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6XIpoWAhqmsfKs
@chillhouse6968
@chillhouse6968 10 ай бұрын
Devil Fish Mod 303 vs. Regular 303
@NorbertKarman
@NorbertKarman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you mr. Ramsey for the Video :D Have a nice day.
@SimoneCesari
@SimoneCesari 2 жыл бұрын
La behringer ha suoni più acidi mentre la roland ha suoni più caldi più deep… sono due machine diverse in fondo in fondo
@candyflip6345
@candyflip6345 2 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is that I should just get both.
@kookle658
@kookle658 2 жыл бұрын
Is your left arm broken? Also, this is the best demo for the td3 mo!
@asbjrnandersen4222
@asbjrnandersen4222 Жыл бұрын
This confirms my growing suspicion that my Unit is weirdly defective. The envelope can’t move the filter enough, once cutoff is at 9 o’clock, so nothing’s audible, and the keytracking simply cuts out the lowest notes(??).
@asbjrnandersen4222
@asbjrnandersen4222 Жыл бұрын
Ha! I spoke to soon. On rewatching, now I get the “filter tracking - it is the opposite of what I’m used to. Great video! Really shows that Behringer should have included a proper manual.
@dpalaoro
@dpalaoro Жыл бұрын
Not much of a comparison where the MO got 95% of the demo's attention. 😂 I don't think this guy touched the silver one but maybe one or two times. 😂
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
You’re quite right tbh. I was attempting to show the additional functions of the MO - and assumed most folks would have a rudimentary understanding of the 303. But if you’re coming in cold it’s probably hard to tell. I didn’t want to play too much 303 as you end up doing the same thing over and over while changing tones in the MO. But I get your point. It’s a hard balance to keep it relevant and to the point . Maybe I got it wrong this time.
@leewightman8619
@leewightman8619 Жыл бұрын
So the mos the devil fish
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Essentially yeah.
@simonirvine2174
@simonirvine2174 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy the MO version please ?
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