Create Wavetables From Anything For Anything ... For free

[@ElectronicazMusic]

I'm having fond memories for my XT now... How I miss those raucous sounds! This vid is fab BTW. 😁

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks.. I’ve still got the XT here. Looks a little less orange than it used to but still going strong.

[@zap7759]

Impressive all around.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks.

[@neonether]

This was wild, thanks for demonstrating this! Was glad to purchase the pack...and they sound amazing in the Super 6!

[@StarskyCarr]

Excellent - glad you like them .enjoy… they do sound amazing in it

[@juno6]

15/20 years ago someone extracted the original VS waves from ROM. They must be somewhere on the internet. I should have them backed up on some CD-ROM I guess.

[@StarskyCarr]

I searched everywhere for them when I got the Super6 but only found a small selection at low res that wouldn’t work. Can’t remember where. So decided to go full on and get them as nice as I could.

[@krinzologicstudio]

I have them somewhere give me time ill search and we can compare.

[@juno6]

@@krinzologicstudio great! I'd like to load them into my Prophets 2000s which have the same engine as the VS.

[@Andronicus2007]

CD-ROM, lol if you still have anything to read it with, and/or the disc still readable.

[@juno6]

@@Andronicus2007 i meant dvd-rom... Anyway, I never ever had a problem with optical storage... I have cds from early 90s and they work perfectly.

[@dankeplace]

can you create wavetables for my Kazoo?

[@StarskyCarr]

absolutely!

[@dankeplace]

@@StarskyCarr Yay!!

[@zivdayan8919]

It will be interested to put to them in the 3rd wave

[@krinzologicstudio]

Will be easy since is not a nightmare to deal with, more easy then my M…is one reason that the 3rd wave is on my top list to buy next synth

[@zivdayan8919]

@@krinzologicstudio do you know which pack i need to buy for my 3rd wave? like the m?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've got a 3rd Wave here, so will make a specific pack and maybe demo soon as well.

[@zivdayan8919]

@@StarskyCarr Yes! Thank you 👍

[@mattmink6491]

I have been attempting to load 1 new waveform into my Super 5 for the last few hours, but the file type is showing up as RAW instead of ws6 even when I rename it. I think this is why when I add it to the folder it doesn't load in after resetting the synth, and the slot is empty and the file goes missing. Any idea what I am missing?

[@StarskyCarr]

If you’re on a Mac you need to have file extensions visible otherwise when you change the name to .ws6 you’ve just changed it to name.ws6.raw so it’s still seen as a raw file. There’ll be something similar on the PC. You need to ensure you’ve changed the extension.

[@mattmink6491]

@@StarskyCarr that worked! Thank you!

[@mastermachetier5594]

Any chance you can do these waves for the pigments?

[@StarskyCarr]

the Microfreak ones work in Pigments :) Simply import them into the wavetable oscillator. I've just tried myself to confirm (theoretically they should've but you never know!).

[@mastermachetier5594]

@@StarskyCarr awesome thanks n

[@kevinguaman525]

Would this work with the Korg Wavestate? It sounds a bit different than the ones in the Wavestate

[@StarskyCarr]

I've got them in my Modwave - the download is on my website - but I've never had a Wavestate so no idea. Better to check it can import wavetables. If it can only import single waves then my VS waves pack might work - but check first. They're 2048 single cycle samples so can be converted to anything if you know what you're doing.

[@Fuzzfooger]

Cool, thanks for putting this together and documenting it! Can’t count the amount of times audacity has come to my rescue, I love that software

[@StarskyCarr]

Its a revelation to me. And so was F0-24!! :)

[@intheblink]

I would love to see a video about the Prophet VS. it really has such a unique sound to it.

[@StarskyCarr]

coming soon

[@NickHowesAstro]

I think in light of the Pro VS launch, a Prophet VS overview (I owned one in the 90s, a Rack... which was formerly Billy Currie's) would be an excellent idea@@StarskyCarr

[@nitsujism]

@@StarskyCarr How about comparing it to the Arturia soft-synth version?

[@StarskyCarr]

Done ;)

[@nitsujism]

@@StarskyCarr Just watched it. Fab! Quite surprised at the Behringer. Not surprised at the Modwave sometimes losing original artifacts. I'm currently contracted working on synth DSP and one of the minor goals is to play PPG waves. To get them authentic sounding you really have to strip away all the modern quality stuff you do. Anyhow, nice vid!

[@jackcimino8822]

My favorite method is to use the resynthesis feature in Tone2's Icarus.

[@krinzologicstudio]

I forgot it…. I own the icarus tone2 too and i forgot this… thnx to remind me.

[@crashedsite]

Would this also work with the Novation Peak/Summit? It has a waveform editor

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve never tried but it should do - if you can import wavetables. If you know the format it needs you just output what you have from audacity at the right sample length and file type.

[@pedrogomis]

Prophet X?

[@StarskyCarr]

@@pedrogomisthe prophet x already has them - but I spoke with sequential and it’s not easy to get them out.. I think you have to do this.

[@pedrogomis]

@@StarskyCarr I think you have to buy them "goldbaby prophet x packs"

[@wintermute9000]

I've been messing around with taking my fave serum waves and putting them into my pro 3. Harder than it first appeared 😂

[@StarskyCarr]

its getting the timing right then relying on the snapping in Audacity that's the trick

[@wintermute9000]

@@StarskyCarr Didn't help that I knew absolutely nothing about wavetable sampling at the time :D

[@David3Wise]

Do the Microfreak Wavetables work within Pigments? And: Which would be the best version for the Korg Modwave?

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve just uploaded a set for the Modwave as they needed to be in 2 wavetables. I decided to check if it would work.

[@David3Wise]

@@StarskyCarr Great stuff !! Thank you

[@freejazzbone]

good info, thanks, could one perform these procedures with Steinberg's Wavelab?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've not used it for over a decade, but I would think so it's all pretty standard stuff. I found that the snapping of the waves etc made things nice and speedy (even if I did f&!k it up a couple of times).

[@freejazzbone]

thank you!@@StarskyCarr

[@unclemick-synths]

Excellent 👍. This is timely. I've been meaning to experiment with wavetables on my MicroFreak to see whether I can get this synthesis technology to make the kinds of sounds I like.

[@StarskyCarr]

Glad it was helpful. I reckon the Microfreak will be great for evolving tones with its interpolation between the waves.

[@circleofsoroboros4311]

Do you have 8 bit ones for M that will work in classic/mw I mode? Or will they only work properly in modern mode?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've not tried tbh. but haven't been able to load in the 8 bit versions I've exported from Audacity. I'll have a go and report back on the classic mode

[@circleofsoroboros4311]

@@StarskyCarr that would be so helpful! I wish I could have some good extra tables I could use for multiparts outside of just part 1....

[@circleofsoroboros4311]

​@@StarskyCarr I bought them and they sound lovely in 8 bit mode as long as you don't attempt any wave position modulation

[@circleofsoroboros4311]

@@StarskyCarr PS: any time I have attempted to convert 16 bit tables to 8 bit for the M, it always goes haywire as soon as I introduce wave position modulation as well

[@Bin909able]

@circleofsoroboros4311 is that only in 8 bit mode or also in 16 bit? Wave position modulation is the core of wave table would be a shame!

[@oupahens9219]

Cool. Thats the reason why U should never sample a DX7. Just play the real thing.

[@johnpaulpatton9786]

These work really well in Arturia Pigments. Thank you for your hard work!

[@StarskyCarr]

Glad you like them. Thanks for feeding back.

[@Gussent]

Thanks for the useful tutorial, where a lot of information is compiled in one place. However, I have a question: if it's necessary to create a PWM wavetable from a synthesizer, how can I extract the required individual cycles from the automatically recorded sweep? I assume it’s necessary to calculate the modulation duration or something like that, but I can’t quite grasp how to avoid mistakes and precisely select the needed cycles without duplicating identical ones. For example, if the wavetable consists of 128 steps, manual selection of the cycles doesn’t seem reliable or simple. I have no idea how to automate this process, at least to some degree.

[@StarskyCarr]

I work out the timing, and try to do the sweep in the correct time. I think at 2048 samples a 128 wave long wavetable worked out around 6 seconds or something. You have to consider the Hz of the tone, is how many loops of the sample that is per second, then divide the wavetable length by that value. For 128 long waves it’s hard! For 2048 it’s 16 times easier :)

[@radfaraf]

What VST would be good for using these with?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've tried them on Arturia pigments, but anything using wavetables should work - Massive, Serum etc.

[@annother3350]

Why does the mocrofreak sound more muted than the others? was the filter down a bit?

[@StarskyCarr]

No it was fully open. It downsamples to 256 so it’s the same as the Waldorf - just not as bright. I did investigate.

[@wul01]

Thanks for putting all this together, loads of useful info. Especially for use with the polyend tracker too.

[@StarskyCarr]

Of course the Polyend tracker.. cheers

[@wul01]

@@StarskyCarralso, there’s a possibility that if you have the arturia prophet vs , you could use import raw in audacity and have a poke around the prophet vs files, you may well find em .

[@jeredorsey]

Thank you for sharing this and it is why I appreciate your channel! Timing is so uncanny. I was OBSESSED last week, like shaping mash potatoes on the (wave)table obsessed, with getting the Korg DWGS waves into Pigments for similar reasons. I managed it and figuring things out is the best way to learn but this is so great to know your approach! Also it feels good to not be alone. 🛸

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... we are not alone... except we sort of are at 1am when trying to figure out why it's making a weird buzzing noise!

[@jeredorsey]

@@StarskyCarr This is where you truly rise above by meticulously fixing the pops AND showing us all the way. Thank you!! Me? I was (was!) happy to get close enough and then bored my poor family talking about it 😆

[@lordspam2721]

I am looking into getting a minifreak or a microfreak. Already an Arturia customer with owning V collection/analog lab. Is there an easy way to import sounds from the software to either of those synths? Thanks

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes, using arturia mici centre software. The Minifreak V is identical so you can swap tones from one of the other.

[@lordspam2721]

@@StarskyCarr Thank you!

[@FaidedBTB]

do you have a video showing how to load the Prophet VS waves in Waldorf M? i just bought it and still trying to figure it out.

[@StarskyCarr]

Tbh I’d have to get the manual out myself to do it again! I remember it took a couple of attempts as I was doing something wrong (because I was guessing). The manual has a step but step guide as far as I recall. The trick I think was to make sure you out them into the correct slot.

[@FaidedBTB]

@@StarskyCarr this is all it says, These have been named to load into user slots 00 and 01 If you intend to load into another, remember to change the name. Also ensure User WT Load Skip one settings page 4 is set to 1

[@FaidedBTB]

@@StarskyCarr im still lost

[@Kung_Fu_Jesus]

Superb

[@StarskyCarr]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@total_leftie]

i'm new to this, but what are the different 'waves'? are they all for one sound or different sounds?

[@StarskyCarr]

Think of them as the starting point for a tone. analog synths have just 4 basic waveshapes to make sounds from. With wavetables you have loads more flexibility. A wavetable will contain a number of waves that the tone can use by playing through them. A bit like an early form of sampling. there's an article on perfect circuit.com that should help: www.perfectcircuit.com/signal/what-is-wavetable-synthesis

[@total_leftie]

@@StarskyCarr okay. so if i want to sample a sound from another song, i take different sections of the sampled note and create multiple waves with them? if that is the case, is there any reason you chose a particular number of waves? is more better? should you make as many as possible or is that overkill?

[@NickHowesAstro]

Very nice work through. Enjoyed that

[@nostandingonlydancin]

Great video. I will be downloading the wavetables for sure! Would love to hear some jams on all three? 😉 maybe the same riff programmed on each? 😅😊

[@StarskyCarr]

I tried … it’s a pita! The envelopes are different as well as the filters, so getting them close on one sound then moving to another and you need to start everything again. In the end I did the bit at the start without envelopes or filters. Creating tones between 2 similar synths is difficult enough. I get so much grief as well if someone doesn’t think I did their synth justice! With 4 it’s far too time consuming. It’s why nobody does it I guess 😂

[@pablosmith5473]

Very interesting! Is your Prophet VS wave pack working in any software synths that accept .wav as wavetables like Vital or Dune?

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve tried the .wavs in pigments and Roli Equator2 - they’re 1024 in length (as far as I recall).

[@pablosmith5473]

@@StarskyCarr Ah yes Pigments, I also have this fantastic synth, that means I could use your Prophet waveforms in it too then :). Thanks for the reply!

[@pablosmith5473]

@@StarskyCarr Ok so quick update about using the waves in a VST Instrument. I got your really cool ''Prophet VS waves'' pack with all the .wav files. They are fantastically crisp, shinny and gritty in an amazing digital way, love them! But as a note for anyone else wondering before buying the pack, so far they seem to only work in Pigments very strangely. The .wav files don't load correctly in neither Dune 3 (it says ''Error, Wrong format, must be Mono .WAV, 16, 24 or 32-bit'', neither in Vital (nothing happens) and neither Ableton's Wavetable synth (it says ''audio file cannot be read, the file does not appear to be a valid WAV file''. So beware before buying if your intention was to use the waveforms in any of these VST synths, they won't work. Make sure you have Pigments, which loads them perfectly. I think you should mention that as a warning in the description pack. They are really amazing though, I'll have fun using them in Pigments.

[@StarskyCarr]

It will be the sample length that’s confusing them most likely, as these are 16 bit mono so should work if in the right format. It’s why I sell the other packs as specific for each synth. Finding the correct format per synth can be time consuming. But with the .wav files it will be possible. Maybe the others take a specific file length etc? Every one is different … I dont have the others to test them on. Or configure to the correct format.

[@eastvantony]

awesome work!

[@StarskyCarr]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@kaiwetronic]

Probably, the best selling WT synth of all time could be the Blofeld... Is it possible to load your VS WT into the little german synth...?

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve not tried it yet. So funny that they’re so popular I’m getting asked about every synth on the market. I’ll check it out .

[@kaiwetronic]

@@StarskyCarr It seems like Blofeld is able to load Microwave XT wavetables... may be 16 bit...?

[@StarskyCarr]

I looked into it but the software I found to convert to blofeld sysex is pc and I’ve got a Mac. I don’t know how to convert for blofeld. Any ideas?

[@kaiwetronic]

@@StarskyCarr WaveEdit was a free aplication to create WT for Blofeld, available for Windows, Mac & Linux... Maybe...

[@SlaserX]

It may have been easier making the tables in WaveEdit, that program is insanely useful. I can't wait to use these with my Modwave ❤️

[@StarskyCarr]

Hope you have fun with them. I did look at waveEdit. I’ve used it for other stuff but it’s limited to 256 samples as far as I can gather so you need to get them in the correct format… using audacity or something similar - so just easier while you’re in there to stitch them together.

[@Black_Agent_Seattle]

Will the file for the Waldorf M work on the Iridium?

[@StarskyCarr]

Do you know what format it needs? The M doesn’t specify sample length so it probably will tbh. The Microfreak ones too. Take a look at what the manual says and I’ll reformat if necessary.

[@Black_Agent_Seattle]

@@StarskyCarr it looks like it supports multiple format types...? 4096 sample period x 217 waveforms 2048 sample period x 430 waveforms 1024 sample period x 846 waveforms 512 sample period x 1,645 waveforms 256 sample period x 2,000 waveforms 128 sample period x 2,000 waveforms 64 sample period x 2,000 waveforms

[@StarskyCarr]

@@Black_Agent_Seattle Yeah Think they all work tbh. the best would be the 2048 Microfreak banks - that way you get the 8 banks -ie 8 wavetables. If you'd prefer all in one wavetable I'll put them on the site as a single with all 128 specifically for the Iridium.

[@Black_Agent_Seattle]

@@StarskyCarr I def think an Iridium bank would be a really good idea.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@Black_Agent_Seattle done! starskycarr.squarespace.com/patches/p/prophet-vs-for-iridium