Start Shooting Better Episode 11: Wilson 5x5 Skill Test

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@66ECHO 6 жыл бұрын

At last another Lucky Gunner vid. Thanks. Always look forward to them. Great job!👍🏻

@gregggibson3109 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Chris and John for providing us with this series of training protocols. I look forward to putting them to work on the range. Keep ‘em coming.

@tommyj7087 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see this to clear up the confusion from Episode 2. There are a BUNCH of 5x5 variants out there and one guy even has a 5x5 drill with only 15 shots. No details on it so I have NO clue what that one is. Great series. I have made notes of each test and take those out to the range with me each time I go. Thanks!

@rhandley1000 Жыл бұрын

This is a very tough test. I have been following this series on Lucky Gunner and it is a fantastic series. I can do the Casino drill in under 21 seconds, bill drill, and five-yard round up with good times. But, this one is brutal. I'm not sure why exactly. I think a lot of it is because its 10yards and from concealment. My best time has been 30.46 (sharpshooter), that's including a 4 miss penalty (21/25 hits), with a Springfield EMP CCC. This is after six practice sessions! This test is eating my lunch

@jackjill521 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing good basic info to the public!!!

@roykiefer7713 6 жыл бұрын

Chris, THANK YOU for another excellent drill/test! I actually have used all of them at my range (I’ll try Wilson’s in Tuesday); they are fun, they just may improve my ancient skills, they clearly hone rapid and accurate firing abilities, and (to put it simply) what can they hurt? But, here’s what I believe is an important question: - On one hand, intense skill training would seem to be excellent preparation for less-demanding scenarios. - However, on the other hand, decades of military experience has ingrained the fundamental idea of “training like you’ll fight.” - You (and many other legitimate authorities) have emphasized the facts that the likelihood of an armed citizen defensive confrontation is very small and the probability of requiring more than 3 to 6 rounds is even smaller (many expert commentaries re revolvers agree on these two premises, again and again). - Therefore, couldn’t drills and tests that emphasize speed, accuracy AND large volumes of fire be somewhat unrealistic, since most non-military/LEO firefights will, factually, require only a few rounds to resolve the situation. Please understand, I’m not criticizing the drills/tests your videos have demonstrated; rather, I only wonder of training focused on - perhaps - six rounds fired very accurately and rapidly might not be more pertinent?

@LuckyGunner 6 жыл бұрын

There's a distinction to be made between a drill, a test, and a scenario. And within drills, there are some that emphasize technical skill, and some that emphasize tactics, decision-making, or other skills that are not purely marksmanship-focused. Drills help you build the individual skills and tests are for evaluating your progress. Something like a Bill Drill (draw and fire six shots as fast as possible), for example, is primarily a technical skill-building drill. It helps you train recoil management, trigger control, and sight tracking. The Casino Drill is a skill-building drill too, but it has the added benefit of forcing the shooter to think under incredible time pressure and if your shooting skills are not "automatic," you will almost definitely mess up the course of fire. The Failure Drill (two to the body, one to the head) has often been used as a tactical training drill -- if two to the body don't stop the attacker, switch to a new target to get a different response. That's not a bad course of action to have "pre-loaded" for a lot of likely scenarios. Anyway, those are the kinds of exercises we focus on in this series, mostly because "real" scenario training is not very practical to set up in the typical shooting range setting and without the oversight of an instructor. Sometimes, the stages in action pistol style competitions (like IDPA or USPSA) are referred to as "scenarios" but I think of them more like tests. It's really difficult to set up a true scenario that is intended to replicate all of the dynamics of an actual defensive scenario unless you do very carefully setup force-on-force training (typically with simunitions or airsoft, but not always) with an experienced instructor. But as for the real-world value of the drills and tests we do, our friends in law enforcement (and to a lesser extent, military and civilian training) who have been involved in the training side of things for a long time have noted close correlation between officers who are highly skilled shooters on the range and those who perform well in actual shootings. It's not necessarily that real life mirrors what they practice on the range, and there are tons of necessary skills they need that *can't* be practiced on the range, but it turns out that if you are a highly skilled marksman, your brain has a lot of processing power left over to handle the high-stress decision-making that is often required in a lethal force situation. Again, that's not all there is to it, but it's a lot easier to be calm under pressure when your sub-conscious mind has no doubts about what you are capable of physically.

@roykiefer7713 6 жыл бұрын

@Lucky Gunner Ammo: Chris, I cannot thank you enough for your exceptionally knowledgeable and thorough reply; obviously, it would have been easy for you to have provided a pro forma answer (or none at all), but yours clearly conveyed a good deal of thought and wisdom. This has already really helped me, and I’m sure as I re-read and it several times and continue to mull it over, I’ll glean even more from it. You’re right, there clearly are significant differences among drills, tests and scenarios, but what I now - thanks to you - have a renewed appreciation of is the mastery of “advanced” skills can provide CONFIDENCE and greater facility in more mundane scenarios, that then translate to the ability to make better decisions under exceedingly stressful circumstances (which is why, I suppose, in decades of military service, we often trained to a level that substantially differed from what we practiced in mission rehearsals). You wrote: “It's not necessarily that real life mirrors what they practice on the range, and there are tons of necessary skills they need that *can't* be practiced on the range, but it turns out that if you are a highly skilled marksman, your brain has a lot of processing power left over to handle the high-stress decision-making that is often required in a lethal force situation.” To me, your foregoing idea is critical and it is also the essence of a really intelligent and insightful reply. I truly appreciate the time, the experience, and the intelligence you invested in answering my question.

@ChrisSlack 4 жыл бұрын

Good stuff! Thanks for putting this kind of content out

@fanman8102 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent series; thanks!

@paulbetz3325 2 жыл бұрын

I like these videos very informative keep them coming

@TomofAllTrades 5 жыл бұрын

A great video. It would have been cool to see your target with the time and how it was scored. A picture is worth a thousand words. We will definitely try this drill.

@hollywood84660 6 жыл бұрын

I wish you guys shipped to Canada

@GOxHAM 6 жыл бұрын

Diggin the new lucky gunner hat!!!!

@LYLEWOLD 6 жыл бұрын

very cool. didn't see it, but i assume John J used the tactical mag drop to beat your score?

@kylewood8327 3 жыл бұрын

Going to run this drill next time I shoot

@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd 6 жыл бұрын

Let me guess... *With John Johnston?*

@JJ.ermenegildofregna 6 жыл бұрын

Good. I was starting to worry, but you've been just on vacation :-)

@ChristofferEricsater 6 жыл бұрын

Is there any link to A3 sized PDFs for these tests? Would be great to print it out and bring with me to the range and practice.I mean where you can fill in your scores on a test list. Would be really handy!

@RustedBeef 6 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to make one suggestion for future videos. Can you look into the camera I'm viewing while speaking to me, the viewer, and not to some other camera off to the side? It's so weird when you're talking to someone in real life face-to-face and they're not looking at you.

@56Spookdog 6 жыл бұрын

👍

@markadkins9290 6 жыл бұрын

Nice drill, wish I could remember it all especially the scoring.

@JJ.ermenegildofregna 6 жыл бұрын

Take a picture with your cell phone. That's what I do, otherwise I wouldn't remember.

@msiley 6 жыл бұрын

Mark Adkins just google it. It’s on the IDPA website.

@quietcreek4365 6 жыл бұрын

Good video Chris. Did any of you run the test with a smaller gun? G43, Shield 9, etc.

@LuckyGunner 6 жыл бұрын

Not for the video. I ran it a few days ago cold with a Walther PPS M2 from concealment and got a 27.96 (raw time of 20.46). I think I could probably shave 4 or 5 seconds off of that score if I used that gun a little more often.

@hardtarget2359 6 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyGunner Do you use a real shot timer? Maybe you could do a video in this series of the best phone apps to use to time these drills and show people how to use it. I have the IPSC shot timer app. It works ok for the free app but to use all the fearures you have to buy the pro app. Just a thought John. I don't think most people will invest the money for an actual shot timer.

@LuckyGunner 6 жыл бұрын

Besides training, a real shot timer is absolutely the best investment you can make in improving as a shooter. I have not had very good luck with any of the smartphone apps and I don't know anyone else who has been very happy with them, either.

@bigshoe84 2 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyGunner Any input on good options to look at?

@michaelbellinger1363 4 жыл бұрын

@Lucky Gunner, great video. The drill seems easy to set up too. I was wondering if time is running the whole time while you're doing the exercise (including reholstering for each string of fire)? Or are you writing down your score per string and then add them together? Just trying to make sure I got it. Thanks.

@Thunderbolt22A10 6 жыл бұрын

what do you mean by "each point down on the target" does that mean you're hitting out of the A-zone?

@LuckyGunner 6 жыл бұрын

IDPA targets have -0, -1, and -3 zones. A hit in the -1 zone is "down one" and a hit in the -3 is "down three."

@Thunderbolt22A10 6 жыл бұрын

gotcha, and thanks for the reply!!

@wallacetucker5345 6 жыл бұрын

What does "point down on the target" mean?

@LuckyGunner 6 жыл бұрын

An IDPA target has three types of scoring zones. The 8-inch circle in the middle and a 4-inch circle in the head are -0 zones. The rest of the head is -1 (aka "down one") and the area just outside the center circle is also -1. The area at the far edges of the body is the -3 ("down three") zone. Total up all the shots that landed in the -1 or -3 zones and that's how many "points down" you have. In IDPA pre-2017, every point down translated to a half second added to your final time for the stage. With the new IDPA rules, each point down is a full second.

@wallacetucker5345 6 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyGunner thank you