Spending 378 Days in a Mars Simulation with NASA Commander Kelly Haston

[@StarTalk]

What do you think would be the most challenging aspect of living on Mars for over a year: the psychological toll of isolation, limited resources, or adapting to Martian time?

[@FeixMLB]

The resources are the biggest problems. There are introverts like me that would give everything to be alone and Mars would be perfect lol

[@AngeloWagner-x4e]

Adapting to...

[@rebeccarichardson8669]

The lack of oxygen would be scary. Even if oxygen tanks were provided, I'd constantly worry about them running out.

[@hip_check]

Pwning no0bs with 2 million ping on 1st person multiplayer

[@rebeccarichardson8669]

No Taco Bell. 😔

[@kielabadeaux3135]

What I love the most about +10 years of StarTalk is how much Chuck & Neil have rubbed off on each other; Chuck is so intellectually knowledgeable compared to the beginning, whereas Neil is still our "personal astrophysicist" but cracks nearly as many jokes as Chuck any given episode. It brings me genuine excitement & joy to see new episodes with the two of them together 😁🥰🩵

[@Thezuule1]

It’s one of my favorite bromances.

[@deamonsoul1]

Honestly they needed eachother as friends. I'm an anthropologist and sociologist that has a physicist friend, a mathematician friend, a PhD pharmacist friend, several local comedian friends, and multiple just blue collar people I grew up with. They all balanced me after the Marines and school. Honestly I think I'd hate the world with my knowledge of history without having everyone's perspective not just my colleagues and family.

[@rob3910]

Gross

[@nugsy_mcb7920]

Personally, the both of them cracking jokes over top of and interrupting the guests gets really annoying. Make all the jokes you want to when the guest has completed a thought, that’s fine. But interrupting and talking over your guest, especially with jokes that aren’t even that funny, is just rude.

[@robertsmith20022]

​@@nugsy_mcb7920blah blah blah

[@PeterKertesz2013]

This is the best channel on KZbin. Funny, interesting and reliable at the same time. Thank you for the entertainment!

[@NinjaNerosis]

Nah ants Canada is way better lol

[@Afterlife-Boy]

I think you're right.

[@michael.forkert]

_Yeah, you can rely on it 100%, that you are been mocked and bamboozled all the way._

[@i_am_ergo]

There's a couple. For example, you can't deny that Veritasium or Kurzgesagt aren't as amazing.

[@sherrymanning1116]

I liked Chuck asking questions too

[@Utubeuser000]

Same! He was asking such interesting questions

[@SHIMA_xcvii]

Ashawo

[@JustSomePerson8]

I wish he would take his shirt off

[@CHIEF_420]

🤘

[@JohnAlthaus-jz8bo]

That comment "or fathers" at 8:00 is completely accurate.

[@ConnerDude]

Milk and cigarettes...

[@KAL1221]

Just wanna say it was nice to hear Chuck is doing well and that he’s happy. I know Neil was grasping to finish the sentence, but it’s more than just showing up to gigs. Chuck deserves to be happy and at peace, because that is what every human deserves. I hope things stay on the up and up for him.

[@dahliathomas97]

Just curious, was he going through something? I don't know a lot about him, but he's pretty funny.

[@chiefsilverstacker1176]

I think he’s fine lol He’s on startalk every week…

[@dahliathomas97]

@chiefsilverstacker1176 yeah, I didn't know what they were talking about. He seems alright. :]

[@jacob_salomon]

@@dahliathomas97 I remember him mentioning he was dealing mental health issues in past, and how learn to manage and overcome them. Maybe now he's finally feeling better and everything is working out for him

[@HOLLYWOODUNAPOLOGETIC]

Commander Haston, you rock! I love what you and NASA are doing! And of course to Neil and Chuck too.

[@stephenchavez5225]

Thank you for securing this guest! This episode was very interesting, engaging, and brought light to things you don’t hear about NASA doing that are all steppingstones for future missions. At least you don’t hear about them in mainstream media. Great stuff.

[@bearsfan7606]

The Mars mission is so fascinating. They have to take everything with them. You need not only a Dr, but dentist, all the tools that would be needed… And so much more! I always leave my house forgetting simple things. This mission, it’s such a massive task.

[@Julian_Angel_Walker]

As well uproot your Ft. Upright

[@Zyo117]

I mean, except you (generally) don't plan on how to leave your house for six years

[@lilsims9750]

I could live around these type of people my whole life... Learning everything i could... love the star talk...

[@alexsahli7988]

Id absolutely try this….i went through a relatively dark period in my life…..spent over a year in what most would consider extreme isolation(less than 3 human interactions including 1 phone call) i loved it! Learned a crazy amount, and built a far better mental and physical health!

[@Sevenbeauty333]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@amsterdamfinestplug1238]

we all did in corona brudda !

[@randallbesch2424]

Yes we are the exceptions to the rule which gives us an edge in isolation. But getting to a point of using it in a job is a haphazard accident.

[@panikkezz0944]

Feel you brother, im on parol

[@alexsahli7988]

@@panikkezz0944 yeah, legal troubles are easily one of the most soul crushing things to deal with. Especially the loss of freedoms….i feel for ya man, luckily mine was self induced and i could have rejoined society whenever….i honestly became so comfortable being isolated that i grew to despise people….the majority of them casually display such self centered/ self serving behavior anymore its disgusting to even be around.

[@jeffevarts8757]

This was an amazing episode. I was glued to my headphones from start to finish.

[@jvggraphics]

i love how much she loves what she is doing.

[@jvggraphics]

thank you fer the likes on my comment but i just spoke from my heart.

[@mussiegames]

Preloading is a term we use in Australia for having drinks before you go out lol

[@DanoTV209]

We call it pregaming here in the states

[@yxzuk9214]

@@DanoTV209we call it pre’s or predrinks in the uk lol

[@sidpomy]

We're all united in having a term for drinking before you go drinking haha

[@domdela5217]

@@sidpomy it's one of those universal truths lol

[@gordonwallace3584]

75 yr. Old retired Aviation Electricians Mate here. Dr. Tyson, I've been absorbing information about Black 🕳️ Holes and thinking about what I've absorbed. 1, "If we exist IN a black hole bubble amongst other black hole bubbles. WHAT would the input point of ALL that information, matter look like? 2. Where with in or on that bubble would the input point be? 3. Are we looking for that said point in our bubble universe? I have more questions but for brevity sake I leave it at 3. Thank you for your channel Dr Tyson! AEC USN RET GLW ⚓

[@Fccluduslitterarius9441]

Wonderful question very interesting..yes indeed what if..🙂

[@monkey2god998]

Chuck asking if they had some back clapping in the “training” is wild af. No way she would tell the truth

[@SharkWithFreakinLaserBeam]

With a bulging belly: "I can neither confirm nor deny that"

[@Dads1stTime]

"Ya'll f*ckin'?" - Chuck

[@ShonMardani]

There was no picture of video taken from this multimillion public project, WHY?

[@dominiking69]

​@@Dads1stTimelmfao i read this in his voice

[@chaselee7611]

@@ShonMardaniseks

[@bokchoiman]

Kelly seems like such a pleasant person to work with on a mission. I imagine NASA's personality evaluations would try to filter for abrasive personality types.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

It does help that she is Canadian!

[@jdonehew]

What an incredible, fascinating experience. I am pleased to hear that NASA is using these kinds of missions to learn and understand traveling and living off Earth.

[@CaymenCider]

Chuck never skips arm day

[@TheRandyGr]

As an actual hermit, being away from people for a year would be a cakewalk!! I would like to see an episode that goes into the history of how Neil and Chuck met.

[@immunitycorrupts3641]

usually listen to these early on Amazon prime. I just love Science!

[@anthonyfrench3169]

I love how they mentioned For All Mankind!! That's a great show!

[@joependleton6293]

Love watching your science advancement, so much more is becoming achievable in space simulations etc

[@SeanonEverything]

7:53 the or fathers line that chuck says and everyone missed had me dying lmfao

[@iLuvGaming]

No seriously.! Cause I’m a father lmaooo 😭💀

[@Coby_Got]

That was great.

[@alangiovannysanchez5368]

I'm so glad you mentioned this! lol

[@IncredibleStan]

I think she caught it....

[@ray_ray_7112]

This was a really great episode. Commander Haston was so informative on the simulation mission. Although, as someone previously mentioned in the comments, the real mission will be completely different on their psyche, and they will feel the comfort of their safety as they did on the simulation.

[@willie417]

We should get at least 1/4 of a credit hour for watching these video

[@13thAMG]

I had the privilege of seeing that simulation site when I visited NASA Houston. Years before that I had wanted to be one of the one way voyagers to Mars but I missed the application deadline by one day. Such important research here. I appreciate this experiment and Kelly's work. 😍

[@tj_enju]

I really hope that team Startalk is always a part of these forefront space activities... there is a lot of 'space activity' happening today including stuff like this NASA-Mars simulaiton project and the Startalk packaging seems to present well, both being interesting and entertaining and they have highly accomplished guests on the show with great personalities..

[@NobodyOfNote-qv5wh]

In NZ, pre-loading IS drinking alcohol before you go out!!!😂

[@cazkiwinz4300]

Can confirm! 😂

[@ronnieroberts7414]

Pre-gaming here in the States

[@marm8226]

thank you so much for this kind of high quality content on so many levels :) I just had an idea while watching your intro, maybe this would be interesting for another talk with a remote participant: Would it be possible to send a microphone with better audioquality and a digital recorder to the remote participant? She/He could then just do a live recording in better quality of her voice and send it back to you (or to the next particpant - saves one trip back via mail eacht time). Then you just have to do some audio-work but not that hard, just replacing her/his vocal parts with the better quality one. Maybe there is a better voice/video conference software that uses a much higher quality codec(?), cause microsoft is by far not one of the better providers of quality ;)

[@roysdonjr]

Okay, this is the thing I want Hollywood to start getting right. Astronauts and scientists aren’t these depressed, morose, brooding, wannabe poets lamenting about the horrors of space. They are excitable, contagiously passionate, nerds who are overjoyed at the opportunity to explore and discover. Hollywood, we want more Watneys.

[@erinstewart2148]

YAAAAASSS

[@Danielinspire_s]

I had to go watch the movie Neil talked about and come back continue this video... Such a beautiful movie..

[@wskinnyodden]

Who has seen the series Ascention? I can not re-watch it, every single time I end up literally suffering when I realize the series was cancelled as such an important inflexion point. Please bring it back, please complete this show, it deserves it so so much! Please fix this deep and profound pain that the cancelation of the show has caused. Again, the show Ascention!

[@johngrable9745]

All the time and effort put into just a simulated mission surrounding stress and work load is crazy. Imagine actually being comfortable enough with a group of people to leave earth to go live on mars

[@wraith1977]

Dr. Haston is so cool. What a neat experiennce.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

It does help that she is Canadian!

[@Kimplowe]

Got to tour CHAPEA and it was quite interesting and impressive compared to HERA. excited to hear the results from the studies conducted.

[@shubashuba9209]

The problem with a Mars simulation on Earth is that all the volunteers know they are 100% safe and are guaranteed to return to Earth. The first Martians won't have that same reassurance, so we don't know how this will weigh on their psyche.

[@Pickledsundae]

Let's make them integrate random interval ratio Russian roulette to ameliorate that problem

[@asdilar]

Exactly. They can't recreate the actual feeling of being there away from every person you've ever known in a hostile environment with no guarantee of returning and possibly seeing your crewmate die from a suit malfunction or something.

[@MC-br1gk]

This is a good observation. One thing that I would recommend to address it is to have them go spelunking. I have heard there is a process some people go through from being so far down a cave (e.g., 2-3 days of travel). Apparently, one curls up into a ball and just shakes for long periods of time. Maybe a good proxy if it's not just an urban legend.

[@HalNordmann]

That's why they also run sims underwater and in caves - but those can't be as elaborate

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

I feel like this is a "glass half-empty" take. Perfectly, valid, of course. But a simulation is by definition imperfect. I prefer to look at it like "wow, that's great that they are able to do long-term practice like that!" 😎

[@MarcoCurrin-qg1fy]

OK this makes me feel really good watching you too really relaxed. Holy crap now I’m starting to feel like I’m making a difference man like you’re finally getting in charge.

[@olencone4005]

I used to do simulated Mars missions all the time -- they were super fun, especially when I got the BFG :D

[@joekenorer]

Imagine waking up to a Cacodemon bumping up against your pod window.

[@johnbirk843]

You mentioned your compatriot on the show is the comedian and this highlighted something in my mind, thank you. I'm only 78, however all of my life where I've had to attend meetings or discuss things with anyone, I've always had a rule that no matter how serious or boring it is, I insisted every 15 minutes half an hour, joke must be made preferably regarding what we're working on or something that's enlightening or humorous. And if you look at humor, it can change people's mood and it can also make them think differently, what example would be a comedian starts explaining something and the audience have one idea where it's going and BANG everyone's mind changes and they start laughing and changing their point of view. Scientia Habet Non Domus, (Knowledge Has No Home) antiguajohn

[@anthonyfrench3169]

It was awesome hear her Houston we have a podcast. But it's awesome to see her on here. This was an amazing experiment.

[@FeixMLB]

I'd volunteer to try that simulation tbh

[@lorisdragelj6286]

but u are paying others to do it ;D

[@FeixMLB]

@@lorisdragelj6286 it costs money?? Breh that wont be cheap. I tho people could just go and try it for free.

[@AndorranStairway]

Nah there’s no internet you wouldn’t survive

[@FeixMLB]

@@AndorranStairway wireless internet exists. Its just information. Yes, the information would take a while to reach me but doesnt matter. All it would be enough is to watch Netflix shows.

[@regulator18E]

​@@FeixMLBin no way would you ever be able to stream Netflix from earth to Mars. You don't understand how anything works if you're really hinging on "wireless internet exists." If you went to mars the internet basically wouldnt exist for you. God bless our public education system.

[@RobertNazarov65]

I heard the term grow area. I’m happy

[@Pastamistic]

Very fun to learn about this experiment! That being said the interview had too many interruptions.

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

For All Mankind is a pretty good show. Idealized and realistic at the same time.

[@joppadoni]

She, and the others, must be so strong.. But then you think about those who have been locked up in prison. But then you think they walked in voluntarily.. Mind blowing. I do wonder if they spoke to prisoners that got released after charges were over turned and how they experienced the psychology of it..

[@moritzwieding3181]

SUCH an interesting guest! LOVE the podcast! MORE exclamation marks!

[@Thezuule1]

Imagine a life where you can never just walk outside.. I’m blessed to live in the Adirondack Mountains, which I think is one of the most beautiful places on Earth, and I run, cycle, and hike constantly. The idea of being in a structure, and needing a suit just to walk around outside, is something I don’t think I could mentally handle.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

I heard Neil say once that a trip to Mars would take about 9 months under normal conditions (using techniques similar to how we got to the moon) and with optimal alignment of Mars and Earth. But, he mentioned that if we could run thrusters throughout the entire trip it would only take weeks. The reason we don't do this, of course, is because it would require a considerable amount of fuel which could not be taken with us easily with one normal launch. But! Imagine that we do this in stages, where the first launch brings a tank of fuel to low Earth orbit (maybe several launches to get the desired amount into orbit) and then a later launch to put the actual Mars spacecraft into Earth orbit, attach the tank(s) and be on our way.

[@ElizabethBryant-d2u]

Isolation is a real big thing. That's why there are now limits on how long people can be held in solitary. It becomes madness inducing.

[@OnceAndFutureKing13711]

Citation?

[@dunkawunka2278]

​@@OnceAndFutureKing13711 humans are social creatures, it's common knowledge, humans literally created an invisible infrastructure so that we all can talk to each other instantaneously. Social interaction is the foundation of human progression.

[@AveragePicker]

​@OnceAndFutureKing13711 when it comes to prison solitary confinement, it's very well documented and there are a huge number of first hand accounts. Prison solitary is also a lot different from one where you have tasks to do.

[@danielasare5560]

Still need the link to that, can’t state a claim without source.

[@randallbesch2424]

Isolation is considered torture.

[@cahalsall]

Beginnings of the Holodeck; amazing.

[@fredg.sanford634]

Great episode!! So informative and entertaining! Chuck was hilarious!

[@dustinsisco9534]

TDIL that the isolation crew has more square footage per person than I live with everyday.

[@felipetam]

One very good question raised by Neil is how better "fit" to endure such a mission would a tipically introvert person be for it. The obvious downside would be how much harder would it be for a crew composed of introverts to cooperate in creating conditions for future missions or even to ensure their viability. A friend of mine jokingly suggested once that the initial missions should be crewed entirely by AuDHD astronauts and it kinda stuck with me that it might be an actual worthwhile topic to research.

[@FieldMajor76]

Lasers can send data at rates up to 100 times that of the radio frequencies used today, allowing for more complex and high-definition data, but they also require much greater precision to work.

[@jimbstars]

Mark C. Lee and Jan Davis were the first and only married couple to fly together on a space shuttle mission, aboard the Space Shuttle Endeavor in 1992. They married in January 1991, and secretly got married again just before the launch of their mission. Wasn’t the ISS but still .. space is space.

[@wb3904]

So how do you go about medical emergencies? Do you solve it in the simulation?

[@andrejparunovic]

The simulation is probably aborted, if someone's life is at risk

[@randallbesch2424]

If they are solvable.

[@laurogarza4953]

For my recent Master's degree in psychology, I studied the psychology of long duration spaceflight missions. Analog simulations have shown chronic fatigue was common and led to depression. I am interested in developing strategies and tools that can help address this huge limiting factor of long duration spaceflight missions.

[@eldeisone7855]

i would love to be in a simulation like that, doing science stuff during the day, supporting each other, it would be an amazing experience, even alone as long as I have some entertainment i'm pretty resistant to isolation ^^

[@7_of_9]

This is how we communicated in the dialup times 😅😂 using Prodigy, CompuServ and BBS

[@nckgmz83]

Thriving and trying not to pass out from the laughter

[@felipetam]

An extra info regarding space pregnancies, there's also a very good series, "For All Mankind" set in a kind of alternate reality where the Soviets won the race to the Moon and the USA doubled down on the Space Race towards Mars, amazing show, cannot recommend enough.

[@felipetam]

Damn, I commented while watching and i just got to the point on the episode where they actually mention this show. Amazing show.

[@dabunnisher29]

Another great one Gentlemen. Thank you.

[@bigzed7908]

So many questions still. 1. What happens after you land? 9 months in space does a number on your body. 2. What are first contact protocols. It's improbable to run across sentient species, but the chances of finding microbial life are quite high - so how to we approach such a discovery? 3. What are the steps for leaving Mars? 4. What do we do in case of a deceased crewmate? 5. What do we do in case a meteorite shower starts and by Mars' will one hits your compound? So many more things to think about, crazy scenarios sound Scifi, but let's be serious - it's an Alien planet.

[@bayroot7385]

I absolutely love how Neil usually can switch back and forth between absolutely losing it and being dead serious all over again. It's absolutely hilarious and impressive at the same time, trully a skill developed in years🤣

[@pokerset2070]

You been dropping bangers recently ✌️

[@acid0069]

Have you ever looked into Kerbal Space Program? It's a 1/4 scale simulator of our solar system, and is very educational. Also the reason I love following your channel today!

[@ysvsny7]

Neil knows all sci-fi movies!!!!👏👏👏

[@timd7709]

i'm an introvert... as long as i could have a private space, i would love to spend a few years working for nasa with this...

[@bigwi7613]

I think she ment different Martian series than "For all Mankind". This was for Moon i think, but theres few series and great one is Mars( two seasons i think around 2018) with colonization and helping/fightin different corporations. The other one at same time was Missions. A french speaking series, with good thriller vibes to discover Mars mysterys and good interesting visuals.

[@neilfleming2787]

the movie "Moon" is a great one about isolation

[@thesuncollective1475]

Did the 22 min delay in comms shape the content of your comms?

[@dylanfell6975]

I heard that "Fathers" joke Chuck, Neil didnt, but it was good.

[@oldcowbb]

knowing what scientists do in the southpole, you can't convince me it's not going to be an issue on mars

[@fostachild1717]

It would be cool if you guys could do a star talk on how tv works. How do all the sounds and images come out of a tv from the electrical signal of only a single conductor?

[@bram7703]

You guys are always making me belly laugh 😭😂

[@prayanshpandey6506]

Venturing on Martian soil would be great experience and finding that there is life beneath the surface is even bigger shocker. I think there must be frozen water which not evaporated by solar winds under the surface which must have layer still keeping so much warmth such that microbial can survive that would be exciting.

[@writerseye]

I would myself like to see a mission that would help both Mars and our little blue marble in some form. Atmospheric control or some ultra-fast way to grow food.

[@Coby_Got]

This is so interesting!

[@Josh0is0here7]

when he said happy comedian is actually an oxymoron, vibes true to some of the funniest comedians in our time. probably the realest answer ever.

[@pmcate2]

Honestly, I think I could knock this out of the park. Being alone is easy for me.

[@DerekJackson-e7j]

Lolol and here I was thinking I was the only one aware of the health benefits of CHEPEA in my yogurt

[@grogyan]

You have to realize that this was actually a spacecamp not a Mars Simulator. Because no one was in any sort of danger. Gravity being significantly different also, would change a lot of what you do each day,

[@macavitythemysterycat]

Early research into circadian rhythms suggested that most people preferred a day closer to 25 hours when isolated from external stimuli like daylight and timekeeping, However this research was faulty because it failed to shield the participants from artificial light. Although subjects were shielded from time cues (like clocks) and daylight, the researchers were not aware of the phase-delaying effects of indoor electric lights.

[@kalkat02]

The relationship question was wild lol but interesting !

[@DanH-u3f]

Do another Mars simulation, but in Antarctica.

[@davidedwards1705]

I recommend the TV Show: Mars; aired on National Geographics.

[@rajmathew6220]

I would thrive in isolation, too bad I'm not on this project

[@markraymond3198]

I have a great question for you Neil. When we send the next thing to Mars like a rover or something, On the way if we were to drop a small satellite every 100,000 miles, would the transmissions be faster?? Mabey I'm mistaken in my thought process. Thank you and God Bless!

[@alexandrugheorghe5610]

Transmission won't be faster. The distance is the same. In fact, it'll be slower as the satellites will have to process and resend the signal. It'd be a mess.

[@xarryl]

great episode, can you talk about the recent spacewalk that Space X did??

[@tagamingthings5501]

Love you guys

[@racerguy6979]

I would frikken love to try the vr for mars and walking around. I used vr for other things and can verify it can be so real

[@JeromeWattson-dk3fp]

I think the data may be a little skewed in that these individuals aren't in a life/mission threatening situation. That alone heightens all human experiences

[@wizzleman5597]

Sounds kinda fun

[@randallbesch2424]

Personalities can grate after 100 days, 200 day, 300 days.

[@alswedgin9274]

Im the type of person that has no problem with solitude..i would be the one that is called a bad crew member..i would go get that coffee.. How would this be solved if Mars habitat became real?

[@Senlark]

Thank you

[@Castor1986x]

Love this episode, in fact all your episodes, I just feel kind of said or in some way ashamed that only 160k views it generated in a course of 4 days, when other videos, having meaningless but "attractive" generates far more...please please please carry on and not give up sharing actual meaningful content to this world! Damn this sound a bit depressive and that was not my intention...Love You both!

[@sabujpattanayek8799]

1100 sq ft houses in the Bay area for our whole family of four, some people have 6, would love a 1700sq ft space

[@AfterCoffeeWithJess]

quite an enjoyable and interesting episode :)

[@ysvsny7]

you are great people 👍🙂