Starter Deck Yugi & Starter Deck Kaiba | The History of Yu-Gi-Oh! #2

[@Cimoooooooo]

To clarify some confusion, Starter Decks Yugi & Kaiba were released on March 29th, 2002. The first official limited list did not go into effect until May 2002. While it's roughly only a one-month period of time, it's significant in illustrating the evolution of the game. Next episode will be dedicated to the first official limited list, and will highlight what a difference it makes! Stay tuned!

[@mnorth1351]

Is that first limited list the one that came in the rulebook version 2.0? Did they just add the updated rule book to starter decks printed after that point?

[@silentagent2169]

Have you thought about doing this but with the order of OCG releases? As someone who grew up in the TCG it would be interesting to see how different it was for the OCG (especially in the beginning years).

[@iuuuuutubi]

Wait a minute. The play at 16:29 with the Waboku shouldn't be legal, the older text of Waboku from SDJ was "Any damage inflicted by an opponent's monster is decreased to 0 during the turn this card is activated." Monsters still get destroyed as a result of battle.

[@timaeus22222]

@@iuuuuutubi Last I recall, Waboku has always worked the same way, even though the wording became updated.

[@mnorth1351]

@@iuuuuutubi no, they did the play correctly. There was a ruling issued about Waboku which clarified that that was what it did. This was before Yu-Gi-Oh cards were worded in a consistent and clear manner. That's always what the makers intended the card to do, they just worded it in a confusing way. Mentioning reducing damage to zero makes you think they're only talking about life points, but they meant to mean nothing would get destroyed also. You can Google it. LOADS of people used that wrong back in the day though.

[@vadoom3353]

"Finally I'm controlling the pace of the game" "And this is the end of the game" Its amazing how a comment can age so badly in .05 seconds

[@justinmadrid8712]

It's like it came straight out of an anime episode.

[@jokerofmorocco]

Cimo began saying "and" before MBT said "Finally I'm controlling the pace of the game" which means it was even before he knew

[@canadacaden3266]

"Finally, I'm controlling the pace of the game." "So... you have chosen death."

[@sleepinthemorningcalm]

That killed me lol

[@austinwestfall8018]

History of Yugioh and Progression series = Cimo embarrassing his friends in old formats 😂

[@tenaciouspoetry]

Pretty much lol

[@LorianandLothric]

I can confidently say that Cimo is good at this game after watching these videos

[@omarcruz9398]

Embarrasses himself playing a 1.6k ryukishin powered over a 1.7k battle ox

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@omarcruz9398 Yeah I didn't get that one.

[@austinwestfall8018]

@@omarcruz9398 in which situation would battle ox have saved him though?

[@PointCrow]

holy shit that last game

[@oddlard2927]

Strange seeing you here considering the lack of yugioh content on your channel

[@Sad-Lesbian]

When are you streaming yugioh, Eric?

[@Lucky-lt7lz]

wait why is -smallant- pointcrow here?

[@mayaslug]

Hey guys, pointcrow here, do you ever get collector's anxiety

[@canadacaden3266]

Just wait until episode 9. Not going to spoil it, but if you thought this was good, just wait.

[@RaftelX]

lol MBT just forgot battle ox existed

[@TeamJDG]

Cimo not even reminding him when he says "3rd best monster is Ryu-Kishin Powered" and MBT not even realizing it when Cimo summoned Battle Ox lmao.

[@phrog7974]

Think he meant 3rd because Battle Ox and Neo where tied? Idk

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@phrog7974 Neo was considered a little better because of his typing.

[@phrog7974]

@@williamcronshaw5262 was he at the time? I don’t remember old school formats very well

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@phrog7974 Yes just because he was a spellcaster and a lot of people were playing the field spell Yami.

[@EvolZar9]

Yugioh these days is way faster than when it started. Game two: Am I a joke to you?

[@gustolphusadolphus8892]

Who needs Borrelsword when you have Duel La Gin.

[@MiguelMartinon]

@@gustolphusadolphus8892 dual

[@Goblin_Hands]

@@MiguelMartinon In Yu-Gi-Oh!, there is no duals, only Duels. I will take a Ginn and Tonic though, nobody misspells my Genie and lives to tell the tale!

[@Goblin_Hands]

Except me apparently, that bad spelling is contagious. It just isn't Jinn's day.

[@MiguelMartinon]

@@Goblin_Hands I meant dual as in 2

[@LulladinLife]

"There is NO WAY I'm going to lose." ME: "You forgot Battle Ox but went with Ryu-Kishin Powered..."

[@eavyeavy2864]

of course it is you who talk, why bother adding me? dumb meme format

[@thumperwolf9098]

I don't care what anyone says. There will never be enough Cimo and Joseph content together ever. I love these guys

[@MrNetsrac]

Their chemistry is unbeatable!

[@ChadKakashi]

@@MrNetsrac it makes MBT bearable.

[@williamfalls]

Anime villain: "There is no way I will lose! I am NOT wearing this shirt of shame again!" Cimoooooooo: *change of heart monster reborn combos*

[@najex1]

He says he's going to win this round, but the first thing I see is a normal monster 1600 atk beater when a 1700 atk beater (battle oxe) can be used.

[@Boristien405]

I know he made terrible decisions. It makes no sense to play ryu-kashin or whatever

[@DylanHlava]

@@Boristien405 it would make sense if he was running some of the equip spells (DARK and Fiend type especially is perfect since monsters of that combo at this time have the highest stats with some decent boosting equips) it would be viable. Must’ve forgotten battle ox existed.

[@pandaman1331]

I at first thought that Adding 3 copies of Summoned Skull might be a good idea but after listening to Cimos reasoning made me change my mind. There is way too much removel in this format to successfully summon tribute monsters without losing advantage. Just shows that Cimos deck buildings skills and in-game knowledge are far beyond most yugitubers

[@kewlaldo10]

@@pandaman1331 yeah Man, Cimo is a boss!

[@Crinbo]

@@kewlaldo10 Lmao not quite

[@iankinder2271]

Joseph- there is no clean out to Summoned Skull Also Joseph- *Proceeds to name multiple clean outs to Summoned Skull*

[@pandaman1331]

Trap Hole, Fissure, Dark Hole, Raigeki, Man-Eater bug, Wall of Illusion. There was plentely of removal. Or just Change of heart it and kill your opponent with it

[@RalisIstodalhar]

There WAS a limited list: In the rule book it stated that the Exodia pieces were limited to 1 each.

[@VanillaMidgetSSBM]

This is true, the Yugi and Kaiba starter decks were the decks available for the first ever TCG format: May 2002. The card pool is LoB, Yugi starter and Kaiba starter. Limited: The Exodia Pieces Monster Reborn Pot of Greed Raigeki Dark hole Change of Heart Semi Limited: Card Destruction Swords of Revealing Light

[@hughman9975]

Yeah I swear the rulebooks in the deck listed those cards as limited near the back

[@MiguelMartinon]

@@hughman9975 that’s the V2 version of the rule book. The V1 first edition rule did not have a list. Please fact check me.

[@hughman9975]

@@MiguelMartinon ah you're probably right haha

[@ZeroX7649]

Good correction!

[@powerforu94]

commenting while in deckbuilding: mbt: claims he's super confident he's gonna win also mbt: plays ryu-kishin instead of battle ox I'm actually gonna give cimo the win. Let's see how it goes post game 1 edit: mbt: "it was a close game one" cimo: lp = 7700 post game 2 edit: ahahahaahahhahahahaha good one mbt

[@AniGaAG]

For how cocky Joseph can be sometimes, he's also totally not above making fun of himself for it. And you two just bounce off one another so well. Can't help but love this duo.

[@xSkye629x]

I honestly prefer having this over a second episode of the progression series. 2 different things to look forward to each week

[@kylesanders1519]

As a 2002 player, cimoooo has the more consistent deck

[@TempestDacine]

He's been consistently building better decks both here and progression.

[@ZeroX7649]

The literal only difference was Waboku and not being daft by including 3 Summoned Skulls.

[@WesleyParksTTV]

@@ZeroX7649 yeah as soon as I saw him main decking 3 Skulls I was like “ Cimo will be playing only 1 and he will win “ 😂

[@ssengageisop3952]

@@ZeroX7649 Yep lol

[@traplover6357]

@@ZeroX7649 Cimo is playing Battle Ox (1700) over Ryu Kishin which was 1600 that MBT played for some reason.

[@BlackRainOfTheDead]

still watching, and avoiding other comments/spoilers. couldn't help but notice that one of them didn't run Battle ox, running ryu instead. Sounds like a glaring miss in deck building. not being a troll, i find it genuinely funny how confident he is in his decks and then does this at the same time.

[@chrisba3278]

EXACTLY!!! I chuckled

[@mnorth1351]

He is WAY out of his league.

[@hastamanasti]

Yeah they probably should've researched this better, also not playing wicked worm beast seems like a miss, as it's heavily played in May 2002 format with the limits, I can't imagine it with like 10 times more removal

[@BlackRainOfTheDead]

@@hastamanasti im actually curious why that is. Whats the meta purpose of it? Worm I mean. A 1400 effect monster that returns to your hand on the end phase doesn't play around anything to my mind. Maybe change of heart? Seems minor.

[@mellowcorpsep6665]

@@BlackRainOfTheDead also plays around raigeki and dark hole so in these kinds of matches it nearly plays around a fourth of your opponents deck

[@zyro7756]

Cimoooooooo really should be hit on legacy format lists. He’s dominating the old school meta rn

[@orochimochi905]

Given how brutally outmatched he is, I love MBT's energy. He just seems like he's having a fantastic time, even when he is getting brutalized.

[@electrocast]

agreed, I hope it continues, that would make it a nice little gag

[@orochimochi905]

@@electrocast I see no reason it would change. I watch MBTs stuff on the regular, and that's just kinda how he is.

[@electrocast]

@@orochimochi905 I'm new to him so that's good to know!

[@orochimochi905]

@@electrocast His stuff is good, especially if you like gimmick decks, and every video starts with a skit that tends to be laugh out loud funny. I'm a big fan, and happy to see him over here too.

[@zeldablizzard]

I'm interested to see when you incorporate all the various game and hobby league promos, or if those will even get a passing mention.

[@mnorth1351]

The video game cards should totally be included! Already in the series or soon, Acid Trap Hole and Metalmorph would be contender for inclusion in decks. Exchange is an ok card too.

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

@@mnorth1351 I was literally just thinking of Acid Trap Hole, would've made Wall of Illusion such a non-issue instead of it sticking around for as long as it did in this series.

[@AniGaAG]

>Format of 1800 beats "I didn't think there would be combat...!!" Never change, Joseph, you sexy man. Never change.

[@ShanaReviews]

The harsh truth a lot of beginners at the time had to face was that Yugi's starter deck...was weak. Sure in the anime Yugi managed to pull a win and had nice combos to keep him in the game. but compared to Kaiba's starter deck, Yugi's was weaker in terms of keeping field presence and didn't have ways to get his ace out compared to Kaiba's deck which had Lord of D. and Flute to get Blue-eyes. I realized this when me and my cousin (who I got into the game) opened up 2 starter decks (mind you this was when the game was in its early days) and played for fun and he decimated me so many times because he played the Kaiba deck while I was Yugi. heart of the cards works for the anime, but iin real life Kaiba's ideology is what dominated the format, even up to now.

[@alexiecierra]

Use Change of Heart on Lord of D. Dark Hole would work on Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Monster Reborn on Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Or just use Yami and Reinforcement to increase Dark Magician's ATK. Both decks has equally chance of winning. Just getting the cards you need and pull of the combos

[@alexiecierra]

Also, Yami and Reinforcement can work on Summoned Skull. Change of Heart on an opponent's monster and use for tribute summon. Man-Eater Bug can destroy 1 monster on the field.

[@Goblin_Hands]

I doubt that happened as often as you make it out to be. If you each only had 1 Starter Deck each, then his only Dragons would be 1x Blue-Eyes and 1x Komouri Dragon, very inconsistent to get both Lord and Flute plus a Dragon (basically hoping to draw 3-4 Aces in Poker), and his only other advantage was a single La Jinn. It was more likely you beat him with Summoned Skull, Change of Heart, Man-Eater Bug, Giant Soldier of Stone, Mystical Elf, and Wall of Illusion. Both also had Trap Hole, Fissure, Reborn, Dark Hole, and a 1700 beater, but then again, you probably used the trash that is Gaia and Dark Magician lol. Multiple Starter decks, and booster support, sure, I believe you. Unless he was more like Bandit Keith and less like Kaiba, the only duelist that could afford not to cheat (using Millenium magic or god given "lady luck" in the case of Joey). At least Keith was honest about his misdeeds though, Yugi tried playing it off like wtf, you not only use a King of Games spirit that can punish players before they can win games 2 and 3, you also abuse the writing with "Heart of the Cards".

[@mnorth1351]

I don't know about. Kaiba's deck didn't have change of heart, or Summoned Skull, or Exchange, or wall of Illusion, or Waboku. And among the 2K defenders, Yugi got giant soldier of stone, which has the highest attack points of any of them (and also mystical elf - I think Kaiba only had 1 2k defender). Yes, Dark magician is crap, but I think all the rest of those might make up for having a La Jinn and a Blue Eyes.

[@garrisonheller6085]

This makes me want to play Yu-Gi-Oh: Eternal Duelist Soul for GBA. Need a break from dealing with combo decks and working around Dragoon of Red-Eyes lol

[@codyrahm6979]

I am not going to lie I liked for you profile pic and then read it

[@FlaggedStar]

It's surprisingly fun. Until about the 4th stage, your deck is far worse than the AI's so it makes for a good challenge. The trouble comes when you also get your hands on the same mad spell cards that they do. You're much smarter than they are, so you destroy the game. The game that you probably want for this sort of format is Power of Chaos Yugi.

[@Goblin_Hands]

I still own mine, and Worldwide Edition (I wish I kept my HFD since then, but I later kept Secret Rares years after, so I'm still happy.) Eternal was cool though, kinda a shame that to truly complete it and get 1x copies of every card, and unlock all the characters, you had to have a year's worth of Duels. I did so twice, I think I lost my first copy or something, as a kid I had too much time on my hands. Getting triple Vorse Raiders/Gemini Elf/Widespread Ruin was definitely challenging though...You had to beat someone 20x to get a pack with those iirc.

[@FlaggedStar]

@@Goblin_Hands The 1 year thing sucks, but you can just surrender like 200 duels. Worldwide is a different game. In particular, it's a lot easier. The late game opponents are some of the easiest, whereas Kaiba is unlocked at full power from day 1.

[@jimmysanders505]

It was actually hard to even find LOB packs locally. None of the big retail stores stocked it or at least kept it in stock. Card shops didn't have it either. Just the starter decks. My locals was pretty much just starter deck mashups with one or two people having some LOB cards...but none of them being any of the good ones. Metal Raiders was the first time you actually saw packs regularly appear in stores. The yugioh players didn't interact with the MTG guys either. Saturdays were Pokemon in the morning. Yugioh in the afternoon. DBZ at night.

[@mymetallicarulez]

Damn what a blowout!! Cimo: Matches: 2-0 Games: 4-0 RPS: 1 MBT: Matches: 0-2 Games: 0-4 RPS: 1

[@kevinbell5674]

Both of these are where my history with Yu-Gi-Oh started.

[@donjuan6996]

Cimo: "With enough support on Patreon, Nyhmnim and I will be able to put out TWO episodes of the Progression Series." Also Cimo: *makes a second series exactly like the Progression Series* 😐

[@markusafri2343]

Probably because the progression series is gonna continue to decline in viewes so he's not making enough money to put that much time into it.

[@FGj-xj7rd]

Yeah, no one is buying the Patreon scam story.

[@aviad4878]

I think there is a difference between the two: -Progression series: They only purchase 24 packs and use what they have from that. -History of Yugioh: They have a play set of all the cards and pick the best out of them all. Very minor difference but at the same time major.

[@donjuan6996]

@@markusafri2343 How the hell does declining views affect his much episodes they're able to put out a week? They can literally do it!!! They have nothing holding them back at the moment. They're just being greedy scrubs. Shill.

[@MrrGNB]

@@markusafri2343 well episode 16 of the progression series still got more views than the first episode of this series

[@joseruizdiaz9622]

I'm starting to watch this series, and I honestly love the games you played. Both have the same tools, and is a sort of mind game with management of resources; the best part is that there's always some interaction, so, even if you're losing, you can come back on a single draw as there aren't any oppressive combos. The combos this early are more of correctly using the straightfoward effects you hoarded for something that is most effective on the turn it's used.

[@Herbstmann]

I hope you will follow the rules we had at the time, i. e. priority, original rulings etc. Keeping it authentic, you know.

[@joaopedrolisboa3499]

They're literally already doing that since the first video, have you even watched this?

[@oscaralfonsoguerrero5154]

Hey, I love this "retrospective" series you are doing! They are fantastic, I just wanted to say that it'd be great if you could record the match as a spectator, so we could see what your opponent's hand. I think it would be more interesting, but even if you have considered it and choose not to do it, the content is still amazing. Thanks

[@staod87]

Oh baby, this brings me back, the fist deck I built was using these 2 starter decks as they were the only cards I had available (bought both decks and had no money left for boosters)

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

My start was similar, my dad got me both decks as birthday presents, and at tge time I didn't even know there was a Yu-Gi-Oh card game until I unwrapped those Starters. Well, actually he had secretly bought 2 extra Kiba decks and snuck their Blue-Eyes into the box he gave me so it had the show accurate 3 copies inside, but I didn't know that wasn't supposed to be the case...

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Oh, that wonderful childhood memory of getting both starter decks for my birthday, which was a huge surprise since I'd somehow not learned that there was a real life Yu-Gi-Oh card game until I opened those presents. And only in hindsight do I realize that my dad must have also bought 2 additional Kiba decks, carefully opened them, and repackaged the one he wrapped for me so it contained a show accurate 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragons.

[@whitetyrone1487]

How people otk'ed back then documentary

[@metalmario1231]

this series will actually give me practical examples of why most cards were banned or limited and i really appreciate that

[@Xhalonick]

Thing is though a lot of cards are only banned now because of new rule changes. Yeah, pot of greed is always strong, but it'll take more time to see why a card like scapegoat is hit.

[@stevenoskui9827]

They've already missed out on some promotional game cards. Dark Duel Stories and Forbidden memories were out before sdy and sdk

[@mnorth1351]

Yeah, they should do those. Sometimes game cards are good. I know I used to use Exchange, from eternal duelist soul. And Metalmorph and acid trap hole could possibly be useful.

[@stevenoskui9827]

@@mnorth1351 yea acid trap hole was really useful in this format imo, set cards were common and no one was setting anything over 2000

[@justinmadrid8712]

So this meta is super fast. You can EASILY deal 7000 damage in one turn in this format, without any set up at all!

[@pandaman1331]

Where are the "old school yu-gi-oh was way more blanced and there was a lot more back and forth" guys at? Change of heart, Dark Hole, Raigeki and Trap hole, there was plentely of ways to remove your opponents monsters without having to battle. Just proves how many people never played competitive yu-gi-oh at all. On another note, Cimo is killing these formats, not only is he dominating Gage in the progression series he is also on a two win streak in this one. These two serieses and his impressive display of his deep yu-gi-oh knowledge as well as skills finally prompted me to subscribe to his channel. That's how you gain followers yugitubers, take notes from Cimoooooo!

[@mnorth1351]

CoH, Dark Hole, Pot of Greed, Raigeki, and Monster Reborn at THREE COPIES each was a format that very few people played, and only for a month and a half. Most players started playing after that, and the "old school", more balanced style of game with more back and forth was present a month later, when those power cards were limited - or, from most players' perspective, it was present from the start, since they started playing after that. I will say, it was very strange seeing the dramatic shift in board position that can happen with having those at three!

[@danielcodoceo722]

"Just show how many people never played competitive yu-gi-oh at all" will you stop? Decks from the last episode where a meta deck would theoretically looks like, in the event that events as we know them had existed., which was certainly not the case. between LOB the release of the SD Yugi/Kaiba and the first ever Limited List, you have like 3 months to play this "format" im doesn't take a genius to know that the number of ppl playing decks like showcased in this episode were next to 0... so i don't know why you are so willing to put everyone that say YGO was better back in the day in the "noob" cathegory. if the above qualities were the standard for Yugitubers will be only watching dzeeff and TeamSam channels. so... noup.

[@Goblin_Hands]

I guess someone forgot about Battle Ox's existence lol. Well, I'd be maining Reinforcements too. Rush Recklessly was clutch back in the day, and Reinforcements can do its work too.

[@yrret1996]

ppl: old format is slow and fun cimo: kills opponent in 2 turns

[@pandaman1331]

And so interactive! And so much batteling between Monster going on!

[@robert1990robert]

I really like mbt's confidence before every match, hope he turns it around next ep

[@LegacyCrusaders]

I swear there was a banlist prior to mrd, raigeki dark hole reborn change and pot at 1 card destruction at swords was at 2.

[@traplover6357]

1 month after

[@flochforster88]

One request - PLEASE use original scans for the cards you show, I know the quality isn't as good but it makes sense to have them for legacy series like this!

[@javislugo6835]

Hell cimo hit up team samurai and do a series of anime character duel spinning the wheel landing on a character starting from season 1 and building the exact cards they ran during each season and once a new season appears like gx then you divide the wheel to dm and gx and then go from there

[@vergilrules1616]

As someone who didn't play competitively until the week that gateway of the six samauri was a 3, I'm super excited to see some of these old formats that I never played. I actually think I'm looking forward to this more than the progression series

[@obrenovic4130]

To be honest its sad that 3 Pots, 3 Changes of Hart and 3 Raigeki format is 100 times more Fun and FAIR !!! than 3 ash blossoms in Hand and 26 minutes First Turn with 5 negates.

[@mythplatypuspwned]

True!

[@jibm37]

Please keep this series up, this made my day going through my childhood, good luck team cimo, don't forget scrap iron scarecrow exists, dark bribe, gravity bind, i forget when they became available but if they don't have an answer to shut down those traps you can just win off of that.

[@-l-2377]

You're about 15 sets early with Dark Bribe, mate. LMFAO Dark Bribe and Scrap Iron didn't even exist until right around when Syncro era came out which is about 4-5 years away from where they currently are.

[@jibm37]

@@-l-2377 my bad, i mix sets up, its been forever

[@alexiecierra]

I love the original. I still remembered the day I bought my first Starter Deck Yugi Thank you for reminding me of my happy moments

[@mythplatypuspwned]

"Finally, I'm controlling the pace of the game." "Aaand this is the end of the game." Hahaha, I love this format.

[@mythplatypuspwned]

Wall of Illusion beatdown too OP! Yeah, that 1000 damage threshold really helps deal just enough damage a lot of time. It was useful to use both it and Giant Soldier of Stone to poke for Trap Holes too, since the Yugi AI just used it as soon as it could.

[@alexiecierra]

I can't wait for Cyber Jar. I had it before the banned list. I missed this card the most from old school Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game. I hope you guys get to use it. That card always help me.

[@wickederebus]

Okay Cimoooooooo now do a series where you and another YugiTuber go through and use only the Starter and Structure decks in order of release.

[@kryzethx]

I would totally still watch that series, ngl

[@pascalsimioli6777]

How about 3 copies of the same structure deck? This way gives them a few choices

[@wickederebus]

@@pascalsimioli6777 I thought that was implied. The idea is to do something almost exactly like this, the "3 of every card in X set" method. And the cards would carry over to the next set. Example. The cards in Starter Yugi and Kaiba carry over to the Marik and Pegasus starter decks

[@pascalsimioli6777]

@@wickederebus I didn't realize that was implied, you also want them to carry the cards over? I don't know...in the progression series they really got stale after a few sets I am afraid if they find one decent deck in the bunch of horrible ones they're just gonna keep that

[@wickederebus]

@@pascalsimioli6777 they won't even have access to the power spells from early yugioh. Aside from that, the power creep of Starter and Structure decks makes it unlikely they will stick with one deck list for the whole series. At least, until Salad Structure deck hits, and even then, it won't be as powerful due to lack of Sunlight Wolf.

[@mekklord]

I am in love with MBT's voice and tone.

[@emred4653]

ı dont like how its called "history of" thought this was a trivia/teaching video instead of format similar to your other dueling format

[@SaberToothPortilla]

Yeah, it seems like it would be similar to his more pedantic content. But, I absolutely think that this is still in the spirit of being educational, what better way to demonstrate truths of a format than playing the game? That and it's a bit more interactive than doing analysis on old games, especially when it'd be kinda hard to even find any recordings before 2005 at least, maybe even later.

[@kyuubinaruto17]

Well, this one is more skill vs luck with the progression series. They're not opening packs here. They're just playing by whatever was most useful at the time. Watching how Yugioh could be in the past this just looks like it would be a horrible format that was too overpowered with no limited list. That's certainly teaching me.

[@mickellmike7251]

Well first: *this is the history* of yugioh. Second its not like pokemon where video games or tv was >card game. Third: *this is Yugioh* not devoted anime, just to show off monsters, not heavily involved in video games like final fantasy. Its a legit card game and hes showing how yugioh basically evolved. Ask around the anime is basically just shit to show off new card and bunch of ass pulls and bs heart of the cards.

[@mickellmike7251]

Anything new in yugioh came threw dueling not games not only anime but mainly dueling

[@ghosty918]

@@kyuubinaruto17 The limited list was a couple months coming, honestly no-one was playing at a high skill level before the limited came down to smack Monster Reborn

[@lexsellsmerch3512]

“Swords of Revealing Light, Change of Heart, Monster Reborn Beatdown” what a terrifying meta lol

[@BaronKrool]

This seriously makes me want to see somebody do a similar video with Alpha Magic, which has the most busted cards in the game and literally had NO limit on duplicates. Seriously. They added the 4-max rule very quickly after the game became a hit and they needed to balance organized play, but the first outing allowed for the most ludicrous shit imaginable. I wanna see the Fireball deck with twenty Black Lotuses.

[@-l-2377]

No. Literally saw those days, that deck strat wasn't even good enough, back then there were no card copy limits, so it was 40 bolts 20 mountains, and that's it. You wouldn't be entertained, no one was.

[@Arohan71]

Prediction after seeing the deck intros and remembering how good Wabokou was back in the day: Cimo wins this on the back of better deck construction.

[@Arohan71]

Called it.

[@CPKuraun]

Yes big facts. I'm glad that yall explained that nobody was really running any of those cards as such. But yugioh was phenomenal in the beginning because of the fact you knew all the cards coming for real. Within a dueling cycle, everybody ran different things and most people literally fought duels for the epicness association opposed to the today format of just otk and ftk.

[@AniGaAG]

Definitely much more nuance to Cimo's deckbuilding. You can see he considered ratios, where Joseph seems to have smashed together 3-ofs of everything that looked good (except Battle Ox). x)

[@ak47dragunov]

Good Yugiboomer banter on here with these 2. Fun series

[@tylerwilson3800]

I would’ve been spamming ultimate offering the whole time.

[@ElshazamReformed]

It isn't really good back then. I'm surprised they didn't reinforcements a bit.

[@Goblin_Hands]

@@ElshazamReformed Yeah, it's like Waboku but eats your opponent's monster too. Unfortunately, that's the ideal situation and with triple Raigeki/Change of Heart/Fissure that situation might be uncommon since you must also have a monster, so Waboku is safer no doubt.

[@Goblin_Hands]

9:30 Cimo forgot to draw going 1st lol

[@HumanDevilTV]

MBT: I am one hundred and ONE percent sure I'm not losing this! Cimo: Haha, Raigeki and Change of Heart go brrrrrr xD

[@donaldlivingston75]

Wow. Cimoooo absolutely obliterated him. Straight up murder. Demolition. Slaughter. Killed em. Destroyed. Buried. MBT's face during the game two massacre was priceless. And waow that Waboku was DEVASTATING. I think MBT forgot about it as well as battle ox. Kudos to Cimooo for aggressively using his gas while MBT probably held them too long. Next one should frankly be a little more interesting with the power cards going to 1. Games will probably be longer, Summoned Skull has to go to three I think.

[@pandaman1331]

Cimo reminds me a lot of me when I play older formats. Knowing very well how many disruptions exists makes him very careful with wasting recourses. You shouldn't fire of Raigekis and Dark Holes unless you are sure you are winning this turn or have a way to come back. I always make sure to have at least one monster in hand as insurence in case the board gets whiped with Dark Hole or Raigeki. During those times it was important to know when to play it save and switch to being agressive. One mistake would cost you the duel and Cimo is doing it perfectly

[@donaldlivingston75]

Yeah he timed it perfectly - even when he knew he’d come up short of an OTK he inflicted enough that he could Raigeki to clear and inflict the last bit whenever he wanted

[@poweruppikawho9007]

That 2nd duel was glorious. Cimo slaughtering MBT, I love it.

[@corneliuschoong6349]

From someone who has not played yugioh since 2004/5 Thanks for the series! Just a thought but it might be good to have a quick run through of other cards in the same release

[@miguelmata4557]

Cimo is that one kid that topdecked Monster Reborn for game and then had the audacity to say: Good game!

[@rasmusstenhjkoustrup5345]

Pleeeeeaaaase keep this series going, i love it so much.

[@Goblin_Hands]

So part 3 is Metal Raiders, which is after the May 1st list, but before the July 1st one, by like 4 days (MRD in NA was released June 26 2002). That means 3x Mirror Forces, Sangan/Witch, and Heavy Storm. I wonder if people really had triples in their deck at one point, or are we just going to use the July format?

[@dustlass]

The Starter Decks actually did contain a limited list, it stated that CoH, Reborn, PoG, Dark Hole and Raigeki were limited to 1 per deck. I know because I had the very first Starter Deck!

[@mnorth1351]

Apparently that was the rulebook version 2.0, so not the very first run of Starter Deck Yugi and Kaiba but a later printing - but I haven't fack checked it.

[@-l-2377]

Incorrect.

[@Blizz3112]

Ultimate Offering was insanely good in early meta, because it could safe you from getting crushed by a boardwipe... it also made sure you could get Summoned Skull easier on the board if he ever was necessary...

[@supermetabros70]

Cimo is dominating both of these series!!! Good stuff bro!

[@richardtreanton8168]

Change Of Heart, Swords Of Revealing Light, and Monster Reborn is the most overpowered combo in existence. It is also known as the Cimo Combo.

[@DuelingDexperts]

I wonder if the faster deck in This format would have been 3 hand destruction and using it to pitch big monsters to draw up after playing through pots so you can reborn them to push

[@mythplatypuspwned]

Reinforcements in the side deck! YEAH! I remember that, Trap Hole and Mirror Force being the only viable traps in Power of Chaos: Yugi the Destiny.

[@EpicKman316]

There definitely was a ban list then.. those started decks came with instruction books and if you take a gander at the back page you'll see

[@TheBasedDonHoly]

This is starting to become my favorite series on the channel

[@B-MC]

I saw Ryu-Kishin, and I saw Waboku, and i thought ... cimooos deck is better.

[@zoiuduu]

18:19 finally im in control of the game,,,,, famous last words with a guy with 101 percent sureness

[@narutoqweavatar]

Man, at least Gage puts up a fight.

[@johnmraz4332]

Starter deck yugi and kaiba was hi ow I started playing yugioh. I played a lot over the next set or two. I didnt play much after it and I only have a shaddoll deck so I can play with my nephew but I still enjoy watching things like these

[@NoLongerNeedThis]

Sheesh. That last game sure was a quick sweep. The lack of a limited list means that you have access to 3 copies of all the OP cards in LOB on top of the new cards introduced with the starter decks, which makes for an even more broken, chaotic mess, if that's even possible. The ability to monster reborn, change of heart, and raigeki all in one turn meant that you could stall with swords of revealing light for a handful of good cards, then wipe out your opponent's life points all at once. And keep in mind that 3 copies of swords means that you could leave your opponent unable to act for 9 turns. Nowadays the swords are unlimited again, but they've been power crept and are now no longer worth running, but back then they certainly were. A lot of this would come down to who drew their big game changers first, but skill does obviously come into play. Using your resources improperly only for your board to get nuked would be devastating.

[@mythplatypuspwned]

That normal summon/Monster Reborn/Change of Heart combo really reminds me of when I played Power of Chaos. It's such a really strong OTK combo!

[@mythplatypuspwned]

HAHAHA, that same combo OTKing in your 2nd turn in game 2. I feel like you should've aggroed more in game 1 as well at the start.

[@kintsuki99]

Pot of Greed so broken no one knows what it does.

[@nicholaschau9127]

Alex out here inviting people on his channel to embarrassing them

[@thenerdygameraustin8930]

Man I enjoy this guy's content so much I enjoy Yugioh so much I quit for awhile and came back when pendulum summoning became a thing and I still don't how pendulum summon well

[@summermermaidstar756]

*Put in Attack position* Cimo: "Nope" *Put in Vertical* Cimo: "Yes"

[@duelistalliance1071]

Hahahah josephs face game 2 🤣🤣🤣 that was brutal cimo. Lol. Droppin the 2002 combo. easy clap. 👏👏

[@me-vx4wi]

19:52 Swords was actually only Semi-Limited on the first list. It wasn't Limited until December 2002.

[@Razor5313]

I remember my mom bought me the yugi’s starter deck, and kaiba’s deck for my brother. I still have the dark magician from yugi’s starter deck.

[@nerdzone]

18:15 might be the be best moment in YugiTube history!

[@noremac387]

Man Cimooo is just delivering the content! I love it!

[@Sleepy0173]

On another note: I kinda wanna see MBT vs Gage in some capacity at some point now xD

[@ssengageisop3952]

I feel like Cimo misplayed in game 1 by not destroying the facedown

[@VORTEX___]

19:58 "The degeneracy will continue but just in other ways" Konami before every product release and every banlist release

[@Sleepy0173]

The problem with the Exodia build from the previous episode is that it was just the walls and no win-con otherwise. Pure stall to the point having like 5 monsters and a Raigeki on hand still would make him doubtful about attacking. It also doesn't help that chump damage over turns mattered in the old days and it can be hard to adapt when one is used to lethal dozes of damage in plays nowadays. This time around MST was such a standard that it's actually a sort of common mistake to at best side De-Spell, but with Swords as prominent, it is kind of needed.... and Waboku rules although back in the day it was so badly worded that I didn't know it did what it did until the GX era of the game.

[@JustINsideGaming]

Nostalgia! Matches were so quick back then

[@mnorth1351]

Not always. And I think these days it's much quicker, or at least there are far fewer turns.

[@Goomyx1492]

@@mnorth1351 lol half the turns but twice the length :p

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

I'm pretty sure the "cannot be destroyed" is Waboku's errata effect. Original effect only reduced damage to 0 if I'm not mistaken.

[@NoLongerNeedThis]

Two years late, but in case anyone is looking, it was always the intended effect. Waboku originally said that damage that MONSTERS take this turn go to 0, even though monster's don't take damage in the game. Players do. The card actually has the rules of the game itself wrong. The reason for this is because the people in charge of writing the cards effects weren't properly informed of how the game works. Other card games at the time had HP values for cards, so they figured that saying that the damage monsters take going to zero would mean that monsters can't be destroyed, because their HP won't hit zero. Thank goodness this kind of miscommunication doesn't happen anymore. So it's not an errata in the sense that they changed the effect, but rather they changed the card's text to more properly reflect the effect intended from the start.

[@SliferStreaming]

Funny thing, wall of illusion is the hard counter for summoned skull, cuz even if its destroyed it still bounces back to the hand lol

[@jjecho]

I started this series two months late, but I swear if MBT does not win with Exodia at least once I will be very disappointed. Seeing him play Exodia in the first episode and continue to get destroyed by cimooooooooo again in the second episode only proved to me that MBT needs to believe in the heart of the cards and play a win condition like Exodia. MBT is hilarious. Definitely subbed now. Also like the bakugan content. Pretty interesting

[@GMZohar14]

Player 1: I will activate my monsters ability Player 2: Which one? Doesn't matter, Veiler

[@mantavisions2362]

I remember getting these from KB toys . Man the nostalgia is real.