Why Vader Remained Loyal to Sidious After the Clone Wars and Mustafar (Canon vs. Legends Series)

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The Non-Canon Expert explains why Darth Vader continued to remain loyal to Darth Sidious and his path upon the dark side after the Clone Wars and the events of Mustafar, despite having lost Padme and his original motivations for joining the Sith, as seen in both the former Legends and current Canon material.

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[@zacharyhoyte493]

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[@Wearyman]

So, in the new Disney Canon, Vader submitted to Palapatine because he was mentally weak and craven, being unwilling to face his own mistakes and seek forgiveness for them, instead choosing to go further down the dark path, instead of seeking the power to rule through the Dark Side. Even though this is directly contradicted by nearly everything we know about Anakin in the prequels and by his statements to Luke in ESB about destroying the Emperor and taking control of the galaxy. New Vader isn't Tragic, he's a whiny selfish git. The only thing Tragic here is how badly Disney is mangling Star Wars. May The Force see a way for someone with even deeper pockets and a REAL love of Star Wars to buy it off of Disney and retcon the Disney crap OUT of Canon. Disney Canon is just garbage.

[@martynbealing79]

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[@unknownsith2071]

"VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger. He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight." -- Lords Of The Sith

[@markyankovskiy28]

Thank you for all of your videos, it's always interesting to hear just another story.

[@rbnsmith157]

that explains why he turned so easily when he knew about Luke... he had something to believe in again. actually fits the canon better than legends.

[@mightysobe]

While yes, the canon version makes more sense with the ot, I think the legends version makes Vader more complex and intriguing, following Sidious so he can one day overthrow him, rather than because he is broken and that's all there is. Sad. Sad.

[@Greekhalo2010]

mightysobe but that’s just what any other Sith apprentice did.

[@prostategod4444]

mightysobe Vader’s depression is what made him unique among the rest of the sith

[@rawr70101]

@@Greekhalo2010 Sidious never cared for the Rule of Two in legends. He didn't have any intention of training an apprentice and replacement. Maul, Dooku, and Vader were tools, for different purposes. In canon, Sidious did in fact hope Vader would take over. The legends description of Vader's intentions would make sense in the canon, but not legends. He's only a true sith apprentice in Canon.

[@supertrocaman]

I’d have to disagree the legends version of Vader accepts that he threw it all away but thinks he can get it back be something greater or create something greater only to find Luke and leia 2 very strong individuals having dealt with leia’s defiance of the empire and Luke’s resisting of the dark side thus he betrays sidious to stop him from destroying “Vader’s empire” aka his kids

[@jmess003]

He was all he had left. He had nothing and no one. Just the shadow.

[@PheonixRising2988]

True, Luke and Leia were the only things that could get him to turn away from the dark side, he just didnt know till much later when they had fully grown.

[@phousefilms]

Just reread the novel. It did explain why he wanted to be on the damn council at least.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@phousefilms I read RofS, Annie was in such a state of battle fatigue he fell a sleep during the council meting. I wish they would have throw 6seconds of him falling a sleep while the masters were talking. With Annie twitching in his sleep do to nightmares. Honestly all of the movies need a reboot for a more indepth telling with all or more of the plot holes filled in. Hell, even " A New Hope " could be broken down into two movies for better story telling. Have you seen the Remaster Fight Scene " Darth Vader vs Obie Wan on the Dearth Star.? On the out takes in the filming of ANH, the actors of Luke & Leia ran into a wall during filming. They didn't break character and the scene didn't come of as goofy but the scene was cut for over all movie time. The novel of ANH wrote the scene as they ran pass Vader with out realizing it, and Vader used a Mind Trick to cause the two of them to run into the wall. As Leia stated the escape was too easy, the imperials wanted them to get away to be tracked. Vader was Trolling them.

[@LCTesla]

Only reason: Sidious had the remote control of his respirator...

[@kukukukukuku7244]

No, doesnt work now. Kylo iv had it too and vader undid it and killed him. Im sure sidious’ is defective. Not that it was his trump card anyways

[@WomenCallYouMoid]

@@kukukukukuku7244 It was a joke

[@Demonai_Warrior]

I honestly would have loved to see an alternate timeline where Vader went through with his vision in canon.

[@Forgemno]

Me too

[@henlo3079]

Me aswell! It seems as though this would only happen if Vader has something to bring himself back to the light side. By this point padme was dead, to add to that he hadn’t and still hasn’t accepted her death? It seems like when Vader heard obiwan say anakin it only solidified his hatred towards obiwan, to the order, hatred towards himself for letting padme go etc The Jedi order was undergoing extermination and no single Jedi or person was a true support for anakin (apart from obiwan butttt they both lost credibility with one another and one maimed after Mustafa) of which he most likely needed in order for this alternate timeline to occur.

[@azariyelvarro6271]

@@henlo3079 Asokah might've supported him if she had discovered what'd happened earlier than in cannon (maybe via force vision). Too bad it looked to both of them like the other was dead during this timeframe.

[@mustachecrab9669]

I agree it would be nice but its a bit too “feel good” for star wars canon though

[@krispalermo8133]

Alternate Time Lines are for RPG, roll playing games. My game shop ran a story were Vader got spanked hard for F*ing Up, and as punishment his rank & title was revoke for three months. Vader had to live as a bounty hunter with no light saber and no public Force Chokes . After wards he goes bounty hunting as a weekend vacations with a squad of the 501st to burn off some tension . Obie Wan :" Luke I have some bad news for you, Darth Vader has made a lot of enemies over the years and they will cut off their own left nut for a chance to cause Vader any type of pain they can, under stand ?" Luke: " What does that have to do with me ?" Obie Wan: " Darth Vader is your Father, if they can't kill him, they will go after You !"

[@arlindonascimento6062]

Man Vader is such a tortured soul ..................but so were those younglings

[@Krefelderasi]

Arlindo Nascimento master skywalker there to many of them what we gonna do smmmmmm :D

[@elisagreen6858]

Eh. He totally redeems himself from all that mass murder by being utterly selfish and saving his son.

[@galacticemperorsheevpalpat4566]

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[@williamconn205]

No, torture is long and drawn out. What Vader felt was torture, decades of having no one who truly cared for him, having to follow the orders of someone who he despised. Everyone that he loved and cared about were either dead or driven into hiding. His only solace being his hate, anger and pain. Vader acted swiftly in disposing of the younglings. In a way they were fortunate.

[@azazelsiad3601]

Mega Master they stood no chance against him it was swift maybe even painless. But no cruel act comes without its consequences Vader suffered decades with ptsd and since he was a force sensitive and the chosen one image that but multiplied by 100. He never had restful sleep he was haunted by his actions that night. He knew there was no going back. But this is also why I love the parts where he spares children and why I have such a greater love for Star Killer and the Second Sister they are proof that even though Vader is a Dark Lord of the Sith he can never fully pull his apprentices to the dark side if you think about it every apprentice he ever trained personally always found there way to the light he saved Starkiller twice any other Sith would have just found a new apprentice. It shows just how conflicted he was with himself to the point that even when training others they themselves found self doubt. Is that not a tortured soul?

[@justmutantjed]

"How Ani Got His Groove Back".

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

That was also his motivation in legends too in the RotS novelization. After waking up in his new suit he tried to crush Sidious but was so reduced he couldn't and then it tragically says, "You try and reach out to crush the shadow that twisted you into what you are now but you can't touch the shadow, you are so much less than you were...and in the end you don't even want to...because the shadow is all you have left." The shadow being Palpatine so canon just borrowed from existing material

[@naseemweathers8358]

No, that’s where you’re wrong in Cannon Vader does manage to throw his master up against a wall and his master reacts by hitting him with force lightning

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@naseemweathers8358 First, it's "Canon", that's a type of continuity, "Cannon" is an artillery piece. Second, it's not wrong because when Sidious does anything or guards, Vader can't touch him. Your own statement proves that in that the moment Sidious decided to do anything, Vader was helpless against him. Lucas himself has stated that before his mutilation and burns at Mustafar, Anakin as Vader had the potential to become 'Twice as powerful as the Emperor, but after he could only reach about 80% of the Emperor's power.' The Revenge of the Sith Novelization also trumps the comic in level of Canon, which yes, is still a thing, because shows and films still retcon or ignore comics and novels.

[@naseemweathers8358]

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I am totally blind I used dictation. I didn’t know it was going to spell the other kind of canon, but I know what it means.

[@MrQuail]

Ironic, in Legends Vader remained loyal out of hope, but in Canon he remained loyal out of despair.

[@maliha9026]

No in legends Vader remained loyal to Palpatine out of despair, read revenge of the sith novel. But after realizing that Palpatine manipulated him and he will never be able to kill palpatine by himself he started hoping for an apprentice, someday who will free him.

[@Xo-3130]

@@maliha9026 which he had first in Starkiller and later with his son.

[@ultratankie]

"And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow. In the end, you do not even want to. In the end, the shadow is all you have left. Because the shadow understands you, the shadow forgives you, the shadow gathers you unto itself- And within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame." -RotS novelization

[@unknownsith2071]

Not canon. "VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger. He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight." -- Lords Of The Sith

[@ultratankie]

Unknown Sith Cool quote. Next time, try not being a dick about it beforehand. No one with a life gives a rat's ass about which source is "canon" and which isn't.

[@unknownsith2071]

How was I being a dick? I was simply stopping the spread of misinformation. You're the one insulting me.

[@ultratankie]

Unknown Sith Lmao Legends sources aren't "misinformation." Stop being twelve years old.

[@unknownsith2071]

It is because it's no longer considered fact anymore. It literally conflicts with canon. And again, why so hostile? I was just helping you out :(. I guess people really hate when they're wrong when it's not that serious :(

[@aquahogs]

In Star Wars return of the jedi, Luke begs Vader to leave with him, and Vader says" No,it is too late for me my son." So it kinda fits the cannon explination, of realizing that there is nothing left, but the dark side.

[@emill232]

And I guess the canon explanation also fits in to why he turned back to the light. He thought he lost everything until he found out about his son. Something to live for.

[@therealdonnawagner]

While I agree that Vader's realization in Canon that he has no other options than the Dark Side is more tragic in a way, I liked the struggle Vader had in Legends against the Dark and the Light lurking within himself. That being said, they're still doing a great job with the Vader story, so I'm not hating. LOL Great video, SWRC! Thank you for all you do to keep us here in the fandom informed. 😊 Hope you're having a wonderful start to your week!

[@GevlekteWalruz]

I always take legends as the definition of a legend, no one knows if it happened, is exaggerated or didnt happen at all.

[@TheZeroDozer]

"This is all there is". You can clearly see he has lost all hope after Mustafar.

[@moonlittear218]

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[@zacharyhoyte493]

I like this new intro

[@redjirachi1]

Palpatine is the closest thing Anakin has to a father...and probably the only real family he has left at this point

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club! Darth Vader is one of the most tragic villains in all of fiction.

[@therealdonnawagner]

Detective Bohobe True.

[@JohnnyUnderscore1981]

Nah. Lucifer. He's the only one who cant go back.

[@dylanmau6606]

Anakin really just wanted Pamde, to keep her alive and healthy along with his child. He would much rather had been dead the moment Darth Sidious said he killed Padme. It was only his hate that helped him cope.

[@realistreset8336]

Ah, brilliant. The rule of two endures precisely because of the allure of having an apprentice so ambitious, so ravenous, yet inexorably attached to the master who can either promise him such things or the ultimate revenge for denying such things. It also serves as a good hedge against complacency and decline of power. The Rule of Two is an ingenious institution. What appears paradoxical, a Sith master sacrificing the security of his power, is really irresistibly seductive to him.

[@doineedit9]

*after vaders true depressing self* "So there you have it!"

[@gamersinacontainer]

Great to have you back, man.

[@MrRonald327]

I’m pretty sure Vader stayed with Sidious because he was the only one who would accept Vader as he was.

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[@Fredo63200]

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[@deadaccount7520]

The price had been paid. Buyer beware. I think you said it all in that 1 sentence. It was all he had left as he seen it. What I would question.....if he did feel the regret for his choice. What if while away from the emperor. Obi wan showed up with a baby.

[@Joker129]

I don't know about you, but I laughed when he tells me about the tragic story of Vader's and then proceeding with happy voice "so there we have it"😂.

[@ADR69]

Vader is really just a tragic figure in this saga.

[@cullinf2077]

Thanks for all the awesome videos man keep it up

[@Schniedragon88]

I, personally, was under the impression that your canon explanation was present in the Legends canon, especially with the tragic passages in the Revenge of the Sith novelization showing him on the operating table. It just seems to me that the new stuff stripped out any additional motivation you mentioned in Legends in favor of making his "no turning back" mindset the sole motivation. Just seems oversimplified to me. Love your vids!

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Great video! Congrats!

[@CulturePoppa]

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[@AlaskanBallistics]

Another great video with great info

[@sands201]

It’s kind of messed up when you think about it. Vader has Obi-Wan, Padme, and The Chancellor as his best friends and in the case of Padme his wife. And he lost Padme to death and Obi-Wan through his betrayal. So all that was left was the Chancellor AKA Sidious, even though he was a Sith Lord, Vader must have thought the friendship they had when he was Anakin was the only thing he had left, and we see Sidious embrace this idea by constantly referring to him as, “Friend,” whether that be because he views him as such or just because he wants Vader to think he cares.

[@normative]

I don't think this read on the comic is quite right. He doesn't say: "No, I can't." or "No, I would never be forgiven." He says "No, I refuse." And the trigger is hearing his former name. The point of the vision isn't that there's NO alternative, it's that there IS an alternative, but that alternative is to *accept his identity as Anakin*, and responsibility for his actions as Anakin. To allow himself to feel the full depth of the guilt he's masking with rage. The comics make it really, really clear that Vader hates Anakin, and his loyalty to Sidious is bound up with the idea that Sidious has given him a new identity-someone to be other than the former self he now despises.

[@lieutenantnomad9198]

I really feel bad for Vader.

[@ryansanico6539]

Very very Interesting story TY SWRC great job👍👍👏👏

[@jackkelso507]

i prefer the canon explanation. i actually shed a tear watching this video, and reminding myself of that part of the vader comic.

[@SethEssington]

I love your new intro.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

1:18 He does say "MY empire" to Obi-Wan

[@fatherofjman2475]

"Its over anakin i have the high ground" *uses force to lift platform above obiwan.*

[@tabs4917]

0:11 is that mace windu's head on the right, above the fire, below the sky

[@donnellebarfield3964]

Brusk no Annakin

[@Ally.Cat.252]

Why does palatine want Vader to kill/over throw him when he would never teach him how to get stronger etc

[@christiancrusader9374]

He doesn't. He wants Vader to be strong enough to do his job. Palpatine knew how to transfer his soul into a clone, ie immortality, and only had an apprentice to serve him.

[@charlesbrowning9748]

The other thing is that sidious never embraced the rule of 2. By learning essence transfer sidious started transitioning to the rule of one. As he set himself up to have a limited form of immortality. Plus he could never teach Vader essence transfer because Vader in a new clone body would have a chance to obtain his full potential. And would be too much of a threat to palpatine rule. Being crippled he was actually more useful to sidious.because he was subjugatable. In a clone body he would not have an inherent weakness to with lighting and could actually use it. And why couldn't with alchemy be used to make clone bodies resistant to dark side corruption or the creation of maxichlorians.

[@unitic6378]

Well Palpatine was all that Vader had left... for like 23 years.

[@ginantsfan5]

Most awesome vid!!!!!!!

[@ringoharris8678]

I honestly think both the legends and Canon versions are equally as tragic.

[@KillsAll.]

You have done well

[@maliha9026]

FYI ' Palpatine was all that he had left' - it's legends (revenge of the sith novel)

[@landonletterman831]

I still wonder what sway Palpatine could have had over Vader that kept him from stopping Luke from striking down the emperor where he sat in the final movie. The hate that gave him power to take down the Sith lord, and his father's ability to help him harness it. Seems like that should have been enough for Vader.

[@drkushajagadeesh6347]

"Jedi bloodlust!" 🤣🤣

[@ozmozis6073]

Vader or Anakin was alone. His mom and Padme were gone. All his friends were gone. He suspected that other Jedi knew that he betrayed the order and wanted nothing to do with him. All he had were memories of good times; memories that haunted him. And Palpatine. I think he gave up on taking Palpatine, as then he'd be truly alone. He knew that no one wanted him as a friend. Then came Luke. The reason Luke felt the good in him, was that he was starved for love. Luke was his threads back to Padme.

[@theviking6052]

When you got nothing, you got nothing left to loose

[@frankludwig4268]

so interesting video

[@Ally.Cat.252]

I never understood how palatine said to anakin “your anger makes you stronger gives you focus!” But he wasn’t focused enough to kill kenobi.

[@DarkLordofTheSith69]

Because Palpatine was deceiving him to corrupt him to the dark side so he could use vader to control the empire because he knew if vader never turned he would be too strong of a Jedi and beat Palpatine so he drew him in with a lie knowing anikans biggest weakness was loss and promised him he could save padame and the unborn child yet it's the opposite it's vader who kills his own wife by turning to the dark side..it's fuckin tragic really and why they need to use Hayden as Anakin as force ghost in rise of Skywalker to redeem him as like Lucas said it's anakins story from start to finish and his story feels unfinished

[@bobcrandall7749]

there was a lot fraction between the two trying to kill each other at different times. There was actually no loyalty between the two. they served each other purpose. Vador even had a secret app star killer. Vador develops a plan to kill the emperor. even near the end return of the Jedi

[@apollyonkatastrefia1586]

I hate that we have to keep splitting things between canon and legends. Its stupid. I understand that Disney wanted to be able to tell new stories but there has to be a better way.

[@datpilz8895]

Wouldnt it be cool if anakin defeted palpatin and takes the thrown of the Empire. Padme on the other hand would survive and starts the rebellion against him.

[@rimfire8217]

Sooo for those who don’t know Palpatines plans was to go from Rich kid to senator to chancellor to Emperor to god

[@zacharyhoyte493]

I really think it was because he was in that suit which sidious can just use his force lightning

[@Forgemno]

Nah. Vader caught lightning from others and still got up. He even got struck by actual lightning and lived . It was the comic where he was chased by Tarkin in the jungle

[@JayF2912]

@@Forgemno sidious' lightning is the most powerful i think

[@khangle6872]

There is countless way to prevent that, he could construct an energy shield for himself (he have like 20 years to learn about force lightning weaknesses and galaxies of materials to do so) or he could simply absord it into the lightsaber just like Mace Windu

[@fambofambo7940]

Plus sidious is one of vaders fathers the other being plaugeius

[@callmecloby8365]

In Legends I always viewed it as Vader had given up any hope of an actual future for himself, and had submitted to Sidious for the same reason he did in Canon: there was nothing else for him in the galaxy. I suspect in Legends, when he finally discovered Starkiller and reignited his will to live that he finally sought revenge against Sidious. But still, as he did back on Mustafar, at his core he was thinking of only himself.

[@eosbloby8987]

A cool what if in my opinion is when he had the vision from the kyber crystal he saw luke and leia.

[@andersonjeremiah6]

Help me save Padme....Palpatine- "Well only 1 person knew how, but....im sure we can figure it out bro.."

[@ralfhtg1056]

I have a question that seems a bit untypical. But i would like to know what is this baclground music you are using? Sounds really great. BTW: nice video. Really enjoy that stuff.

[@jorgeisaacponceposligua1324]

i love the background music , could you tell me the soundtrack ??

[@CiabanItReal]

I left a like for *Jedi Bloodlust*

[@timothymoore8549]

I like how the entire Star Wars canon has to jump through hoops to explain why Vader’s suit looks so clunky and stupid just because of the limitations of the effects when episode 4-6 released

[@robertagu5533]

So the crystal...tried to turn him back with a vision of what Vader always kinda wanted although its widely known at this point that dream is just that an Vader wouldn't stand a chance so soon after 66 and beginning his apprenticeship.

[@donnellebarfield3964]

Robert Agu vader still could have defeated sidious lighting remeber in legends he was attacked with lighting and deflected it also vader is physically stronger

[@TheAntiTrope]

When the homie that ruined your life is the only homie you have left 😔

[@chiefnem]

Who would y'all prefer to see have a full comeback if possible legends Luke or Yoda??

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Well then Obi Wan's quote to General Grievous over Salucami would fit for both the former Kaleesh warrior and the future lord of the with Darth Vader the change being how now Vader was Sidious' errand boy

[@RATsnak3]

I’d kill to see Vader take the other path after failing to bleed his kyber crystal

[@diegoserrato6421]

He lost everything already. He literally had nothing better to do.

[@eren34558]

the crystal was trying to lead anakin to the light?

[@iecasper]

I still prefer legends.

[@Ally.Cat.252]

How was palatine going to get a new apprentice when they kill all Jedi?

[@CTIZZY69]

Force sensitive beings are born all the time

[@Ally.Cat.252]

Chance Taylor but doesn’t he just send his inquisitors to kill them

[@CTIZZY69]

@@Ally.Cat.252 good point but if vader was killed he'd set out to find one I dont think palpatine is that stressed but idk tbh

[@largeroyster]

Honestly I wanted to see Vader building a lightning resisting suit just to see that he was at least trying to win

[@BlackWind90]

The new canon reason for his loyalty is better to me, as makes total sense with him turning back to the Light in the end. Luke existing brings new meaning to his own life, he doesn't have nothing anymore, he has a son, hell, he has a daughter too he finds out at the very end and they are, from a certain point of view, also what keeps Padme and Anakin Skywalker still "alive". And what he's looking at at the very end is the man who promised him to save Padme actually trying to kill her son. Thinking about it in these terms make his return to the light almost obvious. And it is at the same time the proof Jedi are wrong as if anything true love brings you back to the Light, not certainly to the Dark Side.

[@maliha9026]

In legends, Palpatine was all that he had left. He didn't like to follow Palpatine's command and realised that Palpatine manipulated him. He was completely trapped in the dark side. Palpatine threatened him with force lightning, blamed Vader for pedmes death. He had only one path left, continue to dark side and one day have an apprentice and overthrow the emperor. So I prefer the legends.

[@Damento12]

And then comes in Luke and a new hope.

[@lilloggy2599]

This is one of the few Disney changes I kinda like

[@elisagreen6858]

9:00 maybe Vader does that because he believes he doesn't deserve to go back to the light side?

[@danlapan12]

Poor Anakin 😟

[@lateshagallman5778]

Don't be anakin knew sidious control the entire clone wars and kill billions of people and destroy thousands of planets but he didn't care anakin let on lust for power and anger get the best of him anakin knew sidious was the real traitor but sidious manipulates anakin with that saving Padma garbage with which sidious didn't know how to he's said get anakin to his dirty work Anakin his no one to blame about himself

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[@darthcole9592]

Really I thought he did but who ever did was a genius!

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E M What are your thoughts on the New Star Wars Resistance Show coming out this fall

[@EM-lz4rb]

Tim Bartsch I'm excited to see how Disney expands on the characters and stories. I don't know if I'll have time to watch it tho. You?

[@thomasrogers9791]

#Suggestion What's up SWRC can you review The Book of Sith the palpatine and plagueis chapters?

[@Gamerafighter76]

I like the canon more than the legends here, because it shows Vader being loyal to Sidious because he has to, rather than the whole tradition of the Sith where he stays loyal to him until he’s powerful enough to challenge him.

[@andrewmaderer1989]

But also Starkiller?

[@Pachuco6969]

Do we have any real life storys from our history's on earth like this story here?

[@TheBigGuppy]

Sidious save Padme? Sidious killed Padme. He stole her midichlorians to seal Vader's fall.

[@robert48044]

whats up everyone?

[@hrregrg1952]

Also palp didn't prove he couldn't save padme he didn't try ( to get padme) or save padme he had the sith skills to save her and her baby's but he didn't try

[@Mason-kd2zr]

Question is answered by 00:20 lol

[@JediAcolyte94]

I have to say Star Wars Legends do the Vader/Palpatine thing better. The level of psychological analysis you can do with Legends Vader is outstanding to go through. Vader suffers from depression, rage, PTSD from the Clone Wars conflict, betrayal from the Jedi, and the amazing willpower he possessed from both his experience with the Jedi Order and the dark side of the force. The same can't be said for Canon Vader. Dark Horse knocked it out of the part with their Vader comics and have yet to be surpassed by the new Marvel Vader comics.

[@unknownsith2071]

That whiny ass Vader who tried to kill himself when he saw Padme? Compared to badass canon Vader who killed Padme when he saw her.

[@HonestHappyHater]

@@unknownsith2071 Whiny? You mean believable with human thoughts, trying to cope with thoughts that Jedi betrayed him, his wife died by his hand and from now on he will require a suit to remain alive. Yeah, this one is much better than fanservice-Vader who has 180 degree turn after wearing a mask, because why the fuck not?

[@unknownsith2071]

@@HonestHappyHater Shows how little you understand SW lore. Vader's commitment to the Dark Side corrupted his mind, making him evil. It's why he was acting weird on Mustafar. Vader also didn't IMMEDIATELY become evil, in some of his actions in the Vader comics that take place right after ROTS, you can see some light in him. ANH is when Vader is fully evil.

[@HonestHappyHater]

@@unknownsith2071 How little you know about SW lore. Yeah, the Dark Side corrupted him. Like it corrupted... literally every Dark Side user in Disney Canon or Legends. Did any of them become a mindless killing machine that no longer cares about anything but bloodshed because of that corruption? No. But fuck it, new Vader needs to appeal to fanboys, so now the Dark Side instantly wipes his mind, so he becomes an ultimate evil

[@unknownsith2071]

@@HonestHappyHater None of those characters have Vader's commitment. There are plenty of characters that become evil by turning to the Dark SIde.

[@TheXman779]

Legends is better. In that he was a better developed character and his struggle what was right and wrong which led towards the climax of Return of the Jedi.

[@KionKamon]

It also keeps in line that he thought about over throwing Palpatine as evidenced by the out

[@KionKamon]

by the outcome of the duel with Luke on Bespin

[@Elyseon]

"I made a shitty decision but it was mine!"

[@Britton_Thompson]

What the hell else was he going to do? He'd just killed a bunch of little kids at the Jedi Temple in Order 66. There's kinda no coming back from that one. Also, don't forget the fact that Sidious saved his life when he was at death's door. Anakin would've died a slow, horribly agonizing death had Sidious not rescued him from the lava banks on Mustafar and rebuilt him.

[@maliha9026]

Same thing mentioned in legends

[@DmanDominate]

Im sorry but turning the lightsaber crystals red by making them bleed sounds soooooo stupid

[@woslow2543]

Can't it be both?

[@the_amazing_jedi4734]

The new Canon explanation makes way more sense, if you think about his redemption. He stayed loyal to Sidious because he lost everyone he loves, but after finding out that he didn't and that his children are alive and Palpatine threatens them he knows exactly why he is still alive and saves his kids.

[@maliha9026]

Palpatine was all that he had left is legends. This wasn't mentioned in the 2017 comic.