How Ancient Sith Force Powers Became LOST to Modern Sith - Sith History Explained (PART 2)

[@starwarsreadingclub]

You can find Part 1 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYjNiaN_hdJlla8 Here is the second stage of our look into why the ancient Sith, such as Naga Sadow, Darth Andeddu and Vitiate, had stronger Force powers than modern Sith, such as Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. In Part 2, we look at the events that occurred between the one thousand year gap between Darth Bane and Darth Sidious. I hope that you all enjoy today’s video and that you all have a safe and wonderful New Years!

[@davemarx7856]

Star Wars Reading Club I recall the words of Ajunta Pal in KotoR 2 - "We destroyed eachother. Coveted the secrets of eachother." and lately I've been paying more attention to the ebb and flow of the Jedi and Sith orders. Bane begins the rule of two and the Jedi council becomes too large. But prior to that, the Sith were many. And after the fall of the Jedi Council, Sidious began leaking bits of sith knowledge about - as seen with the inquisitors. They would never become true Sith under Palpatine but they were given bits of knowledge. I'm glad to see the "if not for meee" again. I was baffled when it didn't show up in a couple vids. Poor Shiiv... I wonder if they had operas on the deathstar. Stormtrooper Hamlet. Alas poor Yorik's helmet? 😂

[@marty7442]

Just my own fan theory here, but Sidious could have been weaker as a result of being distracted from his Sith studies by the Galactic Civil War. He mentioned to Anakin once about how ancient Sith could restore life, and Sidious was apparently later killed by Anakin as Darth Vader before he could realise that goal.

[@Mastouril]

ancient sith videos are where it's at. great job mate

[@marty7442]

You hit just about everything here. Historical, non-fictional influences of the Force, the importance of balance and compromise in all things,... but dude you missed Palpatine and Sidious... Sidious was a stunted man because he did NOT study HIS history and theology. Would Palpatine have been so evil if he did?; Maybe more so? Back to our shared, non-fictional one. You seem also aware of how through gnosticism, all Pre-Roman and Pre-Abrahamic faiths are seemingly linked, and how it would appear ancient people had an excellent grasp on the meaning for life. 'Do ho harm' seems to be everywhere, and it definitely predates Judaism. Also I suspect Jainists and deists being so similar is a lot more than a coincidence. I think ancient people have seen this happen to enough empires, and know precisely what comes next. There is the true meaning of prophecy as well... I could go on all day about this, and do sometimes actually. Read my blogs at minds.com. PS. Don't get too lost by Star Wars leading you into mindfulness. That was one of it's intended classic features.

[@marty7442]

Did he do any studying? or did he simply mirror Plaguis' teaching where convenient? Palpatine's entire life was one of influencing galactic politics, rather than study of the ancient Sith knowledge; In fact, I think he even mocked Plaguis for his pursuit of the knowledge of restoring and creating life, while ignoring the growing threat to his, his own apprentice... Palpatine was obsessed with power through politics, as opposed to power through knowledge and history, and that was not only his own downfall, but that of the Galactic Empire, along with 2 wasteful superweapons...

[@johnclement189]

Modern sith : *uses force lightning* Ancient sith : cute

[@CharterForGaming]

High ground: Amateurs

[@analothor]

@Jeffrey Scott darth teneibrous your argument is invalid

[@analothor]

Modern sith: "Oh yea what you got bitch ?"

[@iamalpharius3364]

Modern sith: sith lightning* Ancient sith: SOUL FUCKING MAGIC

[@Super-Godzilla99]

Modern sith : use blue force lightning, most powerfull force lightning ever existed. Ancient sith : cute, use Red force lightning and desintegrates the enemy into dust in an instant. Use force drain too drain whole solar systems and Planets out of life, use force projection too fight on hundreds of worlds at the same time, use force mind controll too controll thousands of people at the same time, use force choke too choke thousands of people around the galaxie at the same time, use the mastery of force drain too drain thousands of force users from the force and increase the own with it, use the mastery of life drain too drain the life of millions of people too increase the own lifespan, and many more insane strong force powers, even movies can't show. You think the little force Storm from sidious in legends are a strong feat, imagine it not with blue force lightning instead with red force lightning then you can imagine what is a real powerfull feat. A Note: red force lightning the most powerfull force lightning exist in Star Wars it's nothing you can learn yourself, it is a matter of if you have it or not, it is a talent. Only the most powerfull sith ever can use it if they have the talent for it. Known users are, revan, vitiate ( not valkorion only his original body had this talent ), the son. Another fact about it you can't deflect it with lightsabers, only with an even more powerfull red force lightning from yourself. It is just too powerfull for all comon defences against force lightning.

[@bigd7861]

Sidious: "I'm the strongest Sith that has ever lived!" Revan: "Bitch, hold my lightsabers..."

[@lucabestea6844]

Vitiate:"I once gave you the chance to kneel willingly in this very room. Now, I give you no choice."

[@obi-wankenobi8406]

You all know Darth gravid messed up bad

[@Spartan-343]

Luceno admitted he made Darth Gravid just so Plagueis and Sidious wouldn't have the knowledge that ancient Sith had to ensure they didn't beat the Jedi with ease.

[@patricklacey4946]

Indeed

[@rngzus4537]

swamidude the sith were already destroyed. Snoke was not a true sith and therefore neither is kylo. They are just powerful darkside users.

[@ZorcTheDarkOnex]

Obi-Wan Kenobi Yea its almost as bad as letting not one but 2 fallen jedi live, thus lead the rise of 2 powerful sith empires :(

[@joeyuzwa891]

Gravid means pregnant. "Darth Pregnant"

[@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt]

*Gravid has been kicked from the guild.*

[@Elyseon]

Gravid: "You're all bitches!"

[@danielhughes6896]

The rule of two is the issue, you don't want to teach everything to your apprentice, because you don't want him to kill you, so every generation results in lost abilities.

[@kaustavkapur5532]

you are clearly misinformed. It never said don't teach everything to your apprentice. It said don't teach everything at once. Teach everything, but not too early.

[@danielhughes6896]

@@kaustavkapur5532 I not talking about what it said I'm talking about what the rule of two incentivises. It's not in your best interest to teach everything to your apprentice.

[@darthtator3549]

@@danielhughes6896 the idea is for the apprintice to crave the power and stay with em till they learned the master's secrets.

[@blackjoker2345]

@@darthtator3549 And that's not how people really think. Just like how the brotherhood of darkness rejected the True power of the dark side in favor of ruling small territories of land, sith apprentices in the rule of 2 would inevitably kill their master too soon because they wanted things that are small in the grand scheme of themes, but be too short-sighted to see the full picture. Darth banes plan was doomed to fail because bane failed to understand why the sith declined in the first place.

[@Valkyraw]

@@kaustavkapur5532 also wrong. The master should never teach the apprentice on his own will. The Master has to use the Apprentice for his own gain. That means he teaches him as much as he needs for him to be a useful tool. The Apprentice has to crave power. Which means it is on the apprentice to get more power, more knowledge and eventually overthrow his master.

[@barrybend7189]

The problem with the sith is that their nature makes them rise and fall in power.

[@alexbuckley5178]

Barry Bend that is true and the same goes to evil in any form of universe

[@miciso666]

the problem is also they are the true rebels.

[@keojin2208]

they are like a candle that burns bright but fast. Being a Sith is a quick way but a short path.

[@yurihageshi8008]

Miciso or the ultimate egocentric fools

[@matthiewlaven5021]

I quite like the Jedai teachings, as in the original force users teachings. Where there is passion and serenity, that there is both chaos and peace. The force is just that a fundamental truth that there must be both to exist and therefore a balance between them is the true way of the force. I like grey jedi, not the lower scale ones like Qui gon, but full on sith and jedi force users who embrace both sides of the force to complete it.

[@robertlockwood3277]

"So there we have it" has found it's way into my mock vocabulary right alongside, "super easy, barely an inconvenience"

[@bryangan2224]

The destruction of the Jedi by the clones was not just a culmination of Bane's ideology of patience and cunning, but also exemplified Revan (and Kreia's) emphasis on non-Force wielders being a blind spot for both Jedi and Sith. Revan built HK-47 as an assassin droid masquerading as a protocol/translator assistant to carry out super important missions, including targeting Jedi for death. HK-47 details plenty of ways which it accomplished this. Same when Revan created the death squads of non-Force users (like one that Atton was a part of) to hunt down and convert or kill Jedi. Force users almost always see themselves as superior to everyone else, hence the massive underestimation that made these plans, just like Order 66, succeed. It is a beautiful weaving together of lore, that makes the EU so great.

[@therealdonnawagner]

Thank you for all of the time you devote to researching, editing and posting these videos! It's incredible how thorough you are, and I always appreciate learning about Star Wars Lore on your channel. We, as SW fans, don't deserve you and I legitimately mean that. Hope you have a great weekend, SWRC! ☺

[@kaiturner6772]

I couldn’t have said it better myself 👍

[@lucasheijdeman2581]

Love these episodes

[@jbousley]

Two and a half minutes to repeat what you said in your previous video as a precursor to this video. That, my friend, is what you call filler content. Would have been better to here about Darth Gravid and why he captained the SS Failboat Express.

[@kb9oak749]

So much more interesting than the Last Jedi.

[@darthnox72]

oak 1971 Tbh more interesting than any of the movies

[@jorgeloredo100]

Jar jar background is more interesting that any Dinsey canon shit

[@Facade953]

Even Twilight is more interesting than the Last Jedi!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Kubinda12345]

I think that you forgot the problem that Bane's Sith had to hide themselves from the Jedi and the Republic. Therefore they couldn't allow to use the most powerful and flashy abilities because they would've been discovered.

[@jasonleslie203]

Agreed they had to learn to hide right out in the open. Keep manipulating events in their favor, begin to infiltrate & control various galactic & republic functions while staying hidden so the jedi wouldn't think anything of it

[@BanditLeader]

So what of they got discovered? If some got discovered, they would be forced to use the most powerful offensive abilities or die. If they did use them, then they likely would kill their opponents, and grow more powerful than before

[@AnonRiot]

Bandit Leader that’s the mindset that got many over zealous Sith killed

[@shibe5198]

DAMN YOU GRAVID

[@prodanvlad4524]

In Romanian Gravid means pregnant...it explains a lot...

[@Elyseon]

Darth PMS didn't sound as catchy.

[@farkasabel]

Even Bane was reluctant to teach Zannah some techniques fearing she will use against him. Eventually the sorcerer powers of zannah proved to be stronger than the juggernaut techniques of bane.

[@garrettpyle7306]

In the fight between them that may be true, however Bane's use of essence transfer and the twitch of "Zannah's" left had at the conclusion of the fight show that Bane had won mental, preserving himself in his apprentice.

[@kamaha0010]

@@garrettpyle7306 Karpyshyn confirmed that no, that twitch wasn't Bane. Bane did Essence Transfer properly, but Zannah's will was strong enough to resist it.

[@garrettpyle7306]

@@kamaha0010 Oh, my bad, I do appreciate the clarification though, thank you.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Not to mention more versatile - seriously, a bruiser (Bane was intelligent, sure but in combat he was a bruiser, a blunt instrument and sadly it shows! After all his solution - the Rule of Two - wasn't a great idea either, a secret cult several Sith would have worked far better because frankly not even a force user survives everything and with two points of failure (if the master dies before training the student enough so he (or she) can finish on her own? Yeah, the Sith are fucked! Same if both master and apprentice die (there's people, beings, beasts, droids etc. who can kill force users!) his plan could have failed at any time in history! Hell, it might have worked but conspiring for a thousand years for a mere 20 years of dominance? Fuck that shit damned!) simply is less combat effective over all than a sorcerer - hell, only the strongest in the force were trained as sorcerers even in the old days of the sith!

[@spartana1116]

Moral of the story never choose a Jedi to be a sith apprentice and Sith Lord

[@gamingorc3600]

Vader??? Lmao

[@gamingorc3600]

My men, the reality of star wars is that father force is canon, so in the end both side were wrong... even tho father force gets put down and they all die there, both jedi and sith were wrong, anakin should had become father force and fix the universe but he was never allowed to...

[@shawnsmith3959]

Bruh, the fuck are you talking about? Did you watch the video? The guy you're responding to is talking about Gravid. And are you referring to the character named Father, the one that lives on Mortis? In which case, what relevance is that to what you're responding to?

[@alexbuckley5178]

This really filled me in on why they could not do that. That’s history for you, things get forgotten in time by purpose or by nature itself. Thanks so much for this friend can’t wait to see more on this stuff in time.

[@emilianoborro5]

Whoever decided gravid could be a sith name is crazy

[@christianscrogins663]

Lol for real, the term gravid literally means to become pregnant - Darth Pregnant!

[@analothor]

Lol darth gavin

[@kimjensen4977]

Awesome video. Question: How did the ancient Sith's discover their immense? If the ancients could discover them, why couldn't the modern?

[@pabloramos1022]

I guess it would be like trying to re descover calculus after all books are ash.

[@Super-Godzilla99]

It is very simple Training, try an error, and many many sith. If just 2 sith Experiment then they need too much time. Back then hundred of siths are Experiment with the same force abbility.

[@rockrollfan2476]

Every force power does not compare to the power of being the senate. Being the senate = Unlimited power

[@epistemo3442]

Von Berendt Rocks Yes, but, does the Senate can beat the High Ground.

[@rockrollfan2476]

Only if the senate does not become too arrogant and does not overestimate his power.

[@lordderppington4694]

I get it's a meme. But at one point there were sith that could nuke planets from orbit. I am fairly sure a sith could be more powerful than even a senate. But never the highground

[@mercurialsilver5688]

Fascinating.

[@don8535]

Everything on this channel SLAPS LIKE BOBBY BROWN, new favorite start wars channel

[@maarifawalcott5145]

This information came almost exclusively from the Darth Plagueis novel. And that’s why I love James Luceno’s writing. He is, to me, the standard for Star Wars novels.

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!

[@dropdead234]

Gravid being driven insane by his actions gives rise to an interesting idea. What if his actions were not his idea? One of the lesser members of the order using Gravid to insure whatever of the order survived would not be able to equal their power.

[@Gyrannon]

Keep seeing this question: "If the ancient sith were far more powerful than modern sith, even leading up to Sidious, how come they didn't rule galaxy?" Answer: Because they fought amongst themselves more often than they did against their natural & mortal enemies. And that continued from Day One all the way to Bane's time. He KNEW the Sith would NEVER succeed in beating the Jedi or the Republic as long as there were too many in the galaxy at once, cause each sith would try to one-up the other in some vain attempt at proving to be the most powerful. Bane's Rule of Two succeeded because its harder to track two sith lords in a galaxy full of quadrillions, whereas its easy to track thousands of sith since they werent exactly stealthy with their use of force abilities. And on top of this, the Jedi became weak themselves when they believed their enemy was gone forever, they believed there was no reason to focus on combat as much anymore. If the Jedi had kept training their members as if the Sith were still out there, then it would have been much harder for modern sith to succeed. Making your foe believe they have won has a serious advantage: their guard is down. In truth, the war between the Sith & Jedi will never end. Even Sidious fell into that trap when he believed he had won, and thats how Sidious would ultimately lose. Even though its sci-fi fantasy, there is great wisdom in this = the more you forget your foe, the greater the advantage they'll have when they return.

[@FrostGiant91]

> Choosen one > Dont know how to use force lightning

[@analothor]

To be fair he just never got the chance to learn it

[@dazdavis7896]

He didn’t “lose his mind” He found it. He condemned his own evil ways and tried to destroy it once and for all.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Not really, yes he was turning away from the sith-ways, but he should have given all this knowledge to the Jedi instead of mindlessly destroying it like a buffoon who was then killed by his apprentice for his troubles! The man was truly mad!

[@analothor]

Spoken like a true space monk

[@idratherhidethat6033]

@@dreamingflurry2729 Keep in mind, that Palpy found a lot of Sith stuff IN THE JEDI FREAKIN TEMPLE

[@dazdavis7896]

@@idratherhidethat6033 because the Jedi temple was literally built right on top of an ancient Sith shrine.

[@JanPeverell]

While Darth Gravid's heresy was a setback, it must be noted that Sidious ultimately recovered lots of ancient Sith knowledge. Essence Transfer, Force Drain and Force Storms were all within his repertoire by the time of the Dark Empire comics. I think Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force mentioned that Sidious could use every Force power available to the dark side. He became, at the end of it all, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith in galactic history.

[@fegelfly7877]

While he DID recover lots of ancient Sith Knowledge, he still didn't recover >>all

[@dritterbarsenthor3484]

You have to know that I like the Ancients more BUT: *Sidious knew all Force Powers:* Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure. -Dark Empire Sourcebook *And he was more powerful than any Sith before him:* Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat *the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.* -Vader: The Ultimate Guide Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat *the most powerful Sith Lord in history*. - The New Essential Chronology Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, *the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power* bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting. - The Complete Visual Dictionary When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by *the most powerful Sith Lord in history*. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before." - Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm *Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.* -Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered-in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane-only two. *The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.* -The Dark Side Sourcebook Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel- *a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.* -The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia Only Palpatine has been able to spread his darkness completely and totally over an entire galaxy. -Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook Apart from these accolades he has also better feats than Nihilus and Valkorion.

[@fegelfly7877]

I will make my rebuttal on those accolades, but what feats does he have above Nihilus and Valkorion, except the Force Storms that even those he couldn't fully control?

[@fegelfly7877]

'' I knew that a comment like that would be coming. Pardon me for saying so, but your username just makes it all the more ironic. '' I knew i would be judged by my username, but it's alright. I will make my rebuttal on both comments in a few.

[@dritterbarsenthor3484]

Sorry if I write something wrong, English isn't my first language. ;) He was capable of dominating 20 billion people: Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations. -Byss and the Deep Core (number also from that article) There are other descripions, but I like this the most. He made Byss into one of the most powerful Dark Side Nexus: Over time, the Emperor's dark side energies slowly corrupted the world and transformed it into one of the most powerful dark side sites in the entire galaxy. -Byss and the Deep Core Then he could dominate Luke Skywalker's mind (you can argue, that he was in Dark Empire already more powerful than Yoda, who was the most powerful Jedi of all time and an equal to ROTS Sidious), stomp him in a duel and with the force. After a brief lightsaber battle, the Emperor subdued Luke and broke his will. -Handbook 3: Dark Empire (you have to note, that it was on a Dark Side Nexus) *Force Storms*: He was capable of creating multiple at once and controlling them: "The energy storm that took Commander Skywalker, this is not an isolated event. Similar Storms have been detected in several systems." -Dark Empire Audio Drama Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to *not only control these storms, but to create them.* -Handbook Volume 3: Dark Empire It needed Luke, Leia and Anakin (unborn) to let him loose control. There are other good ones but I think I've posted the most important. :)

[@thesavageavenger4477]

“If not for me, then for Sith tragedies” hahaha. That’s usually my favorite part of every video. I wait every time just to hear the end part and laugh haha. Good video though. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@EleaticStranger]

This series on the history is the Sith is so well done. I think it gives some indirect insights into where the whole story is going in Episode 9 too. Good work.

[@razor6202]

Oh the good ol' tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise

[@001qas]

I'm new to STAR WARS. I want to know more about the WEAPONS of Snokes Crimson Gaurd. I ESPECIALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE LIGHTSABER WHIP! Also how did the Red Guard block lightsabers with their armor but still get killed by lightsabers? Love the channel, keep up the good work!!

[@brandondudley3202]

Their armor were made from a material that could stop physical lightsaber attacks but could be still be stabbed through it

[@arminreep4056]

I'm a philosophy major, and the way you go through the logic of your explication is very thorough. You give every step it's own placement, and your writing style is clear and concise. Really cool video, and I subbed immediately!

[@TheBrunarr]

In the Legends tab of Wookieepedia for Palpatine it says "As an apprentice under Darth Plagueis' tutelage, he learned all the known dark side powers of his predecessors, until he considered himself the Sith'ari." If a lot of knowledge was lost how was he able to learn all the known powers of his predecessors, unless "predecessors" doesn't include people like Sadow or Kun which wouldn't make sense to me.

[@GekoHayate]

All of the KNOWN dark side powers of his predecessors. He learned every ability that Bane reintroduced that hadn't been re-lost due to Gravid.

[@theonlyjjparker]

I like your summaries of these events. There are many things that I just can't afford to research on my own. Good work.

[@Ephideltrance]

Sidious seemed to have rediscovered some of the lost dark side techniques in legends, because his knowledge of the dark side was deep...deeper than most. I also think he he was the only one in history to have mastered force storm without any need for rituals or external power sources to conjure it.

[@gizkapoison]

I love your videos dude, would love to see one centered on vitiate.

[@the4thson262]

So how was Darth Sidious the most powerful sith of all time then if he didn't know half the stuff the acient sith knew or knew how to do

[@ricardorodriguez-mi2zv]

Spot on....

[@toomanyhobbies116]

Because he accomplished what the Ancient sith never could: Complete, 'legal' control of the Galaxy. The question should be: if the ancient sith were so insanely powerful, how did they not rule the Galaxy like Sidious?

[@einreich3954]

@@toomanyhobbies116 maybe because the Jedi of their time were more powerful aswell

[@the4thson262]

@@toomanyhobbies116 I'm not talking about the power of politics I'm talking about the power of the force not the power of politics you can't mix the 2 he didn't do it solely with the power of the force 80% of it was the power of politics the ancient sith were not into politics I'm talking about force ability power dark side force ability power to be more specific. Add the reason why well one of the reasons why the main reason why the sith didn't take over the Galaxy was because there was so much in fighting amongst themselves. Do you understand now I'll wait for your reply

[@analothor]

Well tbh most of the knowledge was recovered anyway

[@rumenoakabob9973]

Dude I can literally watch your videos all day long hahaha. I know a lot of what you share but the way you put it out there Man is great.

[@zwleathers]

Darth babe imo, is the most influential with lord, more so than palpatine and revan. He wasn’t the most powerful BUT his intentions were pure, his mistake wasn’t in creating 2 it was underestimating the greed and lust his successors would have and instead of lusting and craving the dark side they deformed their views into craving power over the inhabitants of the universe through any means, taking priority over serving the dark side, you covered this.

[@alexb9634]

do a vid on what happened to Obi wans beard before ep 4 and after ep 3

[@LocalTribute]

Another point that should’ve been mentioned was the perverted incentive that Masters had to withhold information from their apprentices. For fear that once they taught their apprentices everything they knew, the apprentices would surely kill them. Rule of two and all. So it’s logical to assume that uppity apprentices killed many masters that had much more information that they had not shared, which was lost.

[@zwleathers]

She also can literally summon pure dark side energy to take physical form which she does in the final battle against bane where they're like tendrils that almost kill bane with the slightest touch, essentially that ability wins the battle for her or causes bane to attempt essence transfer right then and there as a last ditch effort to survive.

[@Vahkitauti]

For players of SWTOR, you could headcanon that Darth Gravid discovered the holocron of Your Light Side Sith Warrior/Inquisitor or Dark Side Jedi, just as Darth Bane was in part inspired by the holocron of Darth Revan.

[@Diogolindir]

yeah, that coould bring any modern dark sider mad haha

[@Vahkitauti]

Quite, it is an insane and LONG tale indeed. Nevermind that such an account would show the Sith Empire in the worst ways possible, inspiring radical action towards not having it happen like that next time...

[@ReturnToSender1313]

Hubris and delusions of grandeur... This is what preventing them from following the more powerful way. Each thought they could surpass on their own merits as The Only Way. Long live the power of the Sith. I really hope this Star Wars universe is an actual one running parallel somewhere, and when we die we may be born there.

[@taakotuesday]

7 minutes to say "Darth Gravid destroyed it". Would have been more interesting to further explore Darth Gravid's pull to the light, tell his story a little bit.

[@obiDave28]

You should make 30 minutes to an hour long vids I'd listen to them while working out.

[@imperialwalker]

Gravid: “I’m gonna do what’s called a pro gamer move”

[@YewrValentine]

Dear lord, Darth Sidious rediscovered many old with techniques and invented some of his own. He was also the only Sith to ever fully master the dark side and fully control a force storm, along with being the only being ever to summon a force storm based purely on their own raw dark side power. His life was indeed one of study, especially after becoming emperor. One of the reasons he became emperor was so that he’d have a much larger access to the rest of the galaxy, and all of its lost/hidden dark side secrets. The part of Plagueis’s research that he mocked was how little Plagueis was willing to experiment based on his own beliefs. He didn’t believe in the possibility of a force afterlife or realm thereafter, and thus Sidious was able to tap into so many more abilities because he lacked said disbelief and was willing to experiment with that realm of possibilities. Sidious was indeed a Sith of study, and there is a reason George Lucas said he was the most powerful Sith to ever live, with Lucasfilms backing up his statement. He was the shadow, and the culmination of all of the Sith who came before him, with Nihilus, Bane, and Andedu acknowledging this when they later mocked Darth Krayt for being a heretic who hadn’t learned from the Brotherhood of Darkness. This video gives the implication that these old abilities were never learned by any of the modern Sith, but Sidious is not one of those who never gained that knowledge. He not only restored said abilities, but improved them.

[@Nemo-kt2er]

These two videos are one of my favourite

[@TritonsGuard]

How did the ancient sith develop such powerful dark force abilities without falling victim to the same problems that The Brotherhood of Darkness had, and modern Sith still can't completely eliminate? I have two theories. The first is that the rule that the apprentice must try to kill the master may not have been implemented yet, but may have been simply to surpass them. The second is that the teachings were not originally discovered by the Sith, but by someone else and were either stolen, or simply a corrupt version of it. Anyone else have any ideas?

[@Vulcar123]

Always love these, thanks for the explanation!

[@oscarlover100]

Post Request: Did Sidious ever discover the meaning of Yoda's trip to Moraband? What did he gather/take away from the fact that Yoda was on the planet after the end of the force vision? Did it ever concern him? What would have happened if he realized the significance of the trip and Yoda's new found knowledge of immortality through the force?

[@supershenron9162]

if you think about it Yoda was born only a short time after banes death. It's insane to think Yoda was born shortly after the formation if banes rule of 2 Sith and then died literally right before it failed. Kinda makes you think Yoda might well have been the forces way of reacting to the rule of 2's profound connection to the dark side by creating a being of equally profound connection to the light side Yoda is called the avatar of light after... so theres some food for thought

[@davidjohnsonGT]

Damn. i never thought of that

[@RocketHarry865]

also the force powers of the ancient sith would have been beacons prematurely alerting the Jedi that the Sith still existed. The rule of two Sith needed secrecy if they were to surive and develop the plan to destroy the Jedi

[@liamoliver5848]

Well the way the Sith work is if they come back in numbers then they will be able to find all the remaining Holocrons and create their own Abilities that are similar to the old ancient ones.

[@beerenmusli8220]

Nice Video!!!

[@thirdplanet4471]

And that's why you keep journals/history records lest you and future generations forget

[@ashofedenofficial]

they did...darth gravid just destroyed them all. the holocrons are futuristic journals/records.

[@xeronix9774]

The sith are just problematic as an order. The sith of Vitiate's era were numerous and powerful but as a result there was much infighting which greatly limited what they could accomplish. The sith of the brotherhood of darkness were many but they were also weak, they became too similar to the jedi, the nature of the dark side is chaos and conflict, without these their power could not grow. The sith of Bane's era ultimately failed because there were only two of them meaning, if you kill them, the whole order is at an end; there were not enough of them to make a lasting impact.

[@nunavyourbiznas8660]

Wait, if Gravid destroyed the holycrons containing ancient sith abilities, how did sideous know about them?

[@leobergstrom5570]

gravid didnt destroy all of the knowledge

[@JediAcolyte94]

#BlameDarthGravid

[@sharkfinbite]

I support Bane's choice to kill the old Sith and start over. A bunch of people at a training academy not bothering or refusing to read old texts because they deem it unsuitable to learn from then it is obvious. They are too incompetent, stupid, and devolving the quality of the organization or religion to mud. You can't function in society with that attitude! Reform it or get rid of them! (Heck, I hate the idea of there being a Sith academy too. In theory it sounds good but then you realized you turned your mysterious religion into Harry Potter with high school clicks, mean boys or girls rivalries, and all the cliche school or college drama. Bane literally done what my thoughts were. I have to clap my heads to the writer of the novel named Darth Bane: Path of Destruction that created the story and logic of why the Sith academy must be destroyed.)

[@raincatchfire]

Bane is a paragon of how how we should think about our own governments. Insanely long term limits can fuck off.

[@adj9271]

I hope rian Johnsons new trilogy is about the sith of diffrent eras or a trilogy about Darth bane and how his lineage grew over the millennia...

[@gruntslayr1]

I've gotten used to jedi being corrupted by the dark side. Seeing sith seduced by the the light side is weird.

[@ineedmoneysp]

You would think that even though that knowledge was lost that someone on the dark side who sought out knowledge would have experimented and found at least one or a few of the old with power after a while. Maybe not the most powerful one but maybe some more powerful than what most on the dark side knew possible in there time, then again maybe if artifacts were needed to use some of those powers then those ones would be lost to time or until someone smart enough realized some artifact or something was needed.

[@cheesuscrust3719]

Darth Gravid for the win. Dude was so pure he was consumed by the light side and singlehandedly fucked the sith completly over.

[@BlyUehara37]

The Darth Bane Trilogy is so good especially path of destruction

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

Had gravid not gone nuts he might just have have recreated the true Jedai order

[@riverplasmahero2508]

Awesome video as always! I didn't know about Darth Gravid at all, so this was super interesting. My question though, is why didn't they just go try to find more of the ancient teachings of the Sith? Finally got to watch episode 8 today, it was really good. I can't wait to see what you thought of it when I watch your reviews of it tommorow. Can't wait to see what you do next! Thanks SWRC!!! :D

[@boooster101]

RiverPlasmaHero Maybe because there is a finite amount? There are enough comic stories of vader and sidious searching for an artifact. But most were simply gone.

[@josephmoore5422]

Episode 8 is cancer

[@boooster101]

Joseph Moore WRONG! Cancer can be benign...

[@josephmoore5422]

Charon this is true so either its utterly devastating or a complete waste of space. Thanks for the help

[@terrencemedders1867]

Am I the only one that falls nearer to the dark side every time he says "exposé" in the manner he does?

[@nickcapella2440]

The way he talks is cancer

[@terrencemedders1867]

@@nickcapella2440, I agree. The way he persists in it though...and how he makes a kind of joke of it at the end makes me think the bastard knows it's terrible and still forces it upon us lol.

[@bobstevemd3265]

what a interesting story . wow wow wow. it's crazy how the power between the jedi and the sith is always in balance. the jedi became weak because the sith where in shadow. the sith because weak from a lose of knowledge

[@jefferfransisco6537]

Is Snoke more powerful than Palpatine?

[@grandmasteryoda3598]

Kylo Ren hell no

[@grandmasteryoda3598]

Snoke can not feel emotions he died when he wasn’t even using the dark side as much

[@darkrad7535]

Snoke is a joke, he would be no match for any true Sith Master.

[@Marcusjnmc]

maybe in his original incarnation he was comparable , ep9's director decided to just say fuck that & kill him off though

[@scottmurphy4946]

Snoke is at half power now

[@mikeyb8040]

My biggest problem with canon is that I have one simple question... Why would the "main story" be focused on a time period when all of the best and most powerful force users are not around? I would way rather watch a movie about Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun etc than the boring and weak Sidious/Vader era. I mean seriously, imagine watching a scene in a movie where Nihilus sucks the life force of an entire planet, or a scene where Exar Kun goes into the tomb on Korriban and falls to the dark side. Would be way better than the shit we are getting now

[@ellensloan9984]

I enjoy listening to your Star Wars content and agree the Sith were far less powerful then the ancient Sith, but so were the Jedi. Looking at the Jedi of old vs the modern Jedi like Obi-Wan and Anakin, I have come to the conclusion the Jedi were weekend in power as time went on. After just finishing reading the old republic series in both books and comics, I made this assessment by comparing the old order with the modern. For example, Anakin was supposed to be the chosen one, who was supposed to wield immense power. I figured he should have been as powerful as, if not more powerful than Revan. Right? So as a Jedi why was he so week in comparison? Were the Jedi so controlling with rules and restrictions that they weekend themselves? Unless I am missing something, I didn't see any battle mediations going on during the Clones Wars.

[@MegaParrotMan]

Jump to 4:10 for the answer!

[@gwyndolin1536]

I'm not sure which is worse the Tragedy of Darth Gravid for destroying all that cool stuff, or the Tragedy Filoni and Lucas for getting so close, but cutting that scene in Clone Wars that would of saved Darth Revan and Bane.

[@nomorepartiezz]

Alexander Bahn didnt bane show up later in the show?

[@gwyndolin1536]

+Deathpool Well yes....and for some reason, despite previously making a Clone Wars style orbalisk armor model that would of saved more of the his lore, they made a new TMNT Shredder looking one that helped to un-canonize the Darth Bane lore from his books. Also it being a illusion rather then an actual Sith Ghost as intended. I get what they meant by the Force Ghost thing, but that's why it seemed better to actually have Sith ghost so its like yeah Sith can transcend death, in a way though it's not really how they wanted, it's a lot harder then light side force ghosting, and it's virtually not worth it, which would be why only the best of the beat Sith could.

[@Excalis3344]

well since they were extreme hoarders of knowledge that makes sense imagine how powerfull the emperor would have been if he had ancient sith knowledge

[@Marcusjnmc]

he's considered to of mastered every Sith ability by the time of episode 6, just never used them, & some of the more powerful ones required extensive equipment/set up

[@Excalis3344]

Broadbull, Enabler of Uncounted Combos he cant have known all of them like valkorian for example he could drain entire planets that is knowledge only he has

[@dazdavis7896]

Some idiot named Gravid tried to burn it all away. But Gean said nope, and him down; even though she lost an arm and part of her jaw in the process.. We needed to have a storyline thoroughly covering that era, and that fight specifically. There are 2 periods in Star Wars that were never explored at all before Disney took over and trashed it all.. The inter-Sith wars period after TOR and before the New Sith Wars (3500-2000BBY) and then most of the republic classic era, the “great peace of the republic” era; so pretty much everything after Bane & Zannah up to Tenebrous and Plagueis save for one or two storylines is completely unexplored. We don’t even know Tenebrous’ master’s name. He’s just referred to as “a twilek Sith Lord”…. Too bad this “high republic” era didn’t come out before Disney took over. Because God knows they’ve just messed it up and turned it into “progressive” politically charged bullshit that nobody cares about in their Star Wars stories. Every “powerful” Jedi is a black female. Notice that? Every “good guy” is a non-white female and most the “bad guys” are “white cis-males” lmao. White man BAD!! It’s just hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn’t just flat out embarrassing…. Politically charged bullshit at the cost of the story itself. Because the ideals are more important than the actual storyline to them, which is the ENTIRETY of the problem with Disney’s fanfiction timeline. There’s only one “canon” , it was called the hierarchy of canon. The ACTUAL Lucas-era timeline of 40 years. Fuck Disney and their fanfiction. It isn’t Star Wars. At all. They solely see what they know is a massive platform that millions upon millions of people watch/read/play/consume, and therefore a platform to reach the maximum amount of people possible to shove their incompetent ideals down your throats. People need to STOP spending money on Disney Star Wars. FORCE the change or it will NOT happen…. What they NEED to do is treat it like DC or marvel. Earth 1 and earth 2. ALLOW people who want to make content for the so-called “legends” timeline to DO so. And then they can continue making content for their fanfiction timeline all they want. That would actually cause more people to LIKE the Disney timeline imo. Then they can do/change whatever they want in their timeline. And we can have the things that never came out that we always wanted/needed to see can then come to fruition. People would respect Disney Star Wars FAR more if they set it up like DC or marvel. Like they OWN marvel, they have the people that know how to set it up. Get to fucking work and fix your mistakes. Starting with the very first and greatest one you made, dumping the whole Star Wars timeline in its entirety. They literally said you guys don’t know what Star Wars is none of this is Star Wars, only what WE say is Star Wars, is Star Wars. That’s blatant narcissism right there…. It needs snipped at the roots.

[@bmauvi4176]

Can you do one on Raven? He's my favorite

[@sithjedi2121]

#1 Gravid sounds similar to Revan but without the Strength and ability. Essentially the Jedi confiscated all the Sith artifacts and scrolls and holocrons and made it very difficult for anyone to reproduce the kind of understanding of a Vitiate. And Sith Lords like Vitiate were Sith in the liniage of the original Dark Lords of Ajunta Pall and the Pure Blood Sith I believe.

[@Bonekraka]

Striving for grey you can't fault gravid for trying

[@wolf12king17]

this pose an interesting conundrum in my opinion. because of the jedi purging everything sith that they came across to try and protect the galaxy they seem to have failed to detect sith causing Palpatine rule of the galaxy however if they did not it seems to me that sith would have some kind of backups albeit in the hands of jedi but still theoretically retrievable of some of the sith teachings which specific teaching I personally do not know. personally I see this thought as a line diverging only to come back together aka if jedi didn't destroy the sith artifacts the hidden sith could retrieve it learn from them and become powerful and rule the galaxy probably as much more powerful being but jedi could have found them much sooner and with the rule of two vs. the jedi order which as I recall are at the in the several thousand and again admittedly a large portion of the jedi order being awful at possible confrontation of sith and being little more than cannon fader if in combat. just figured id think out loud a bit on this and get your opinion on my rough thought on the theoretical scenario. again this is a rough bit of thinking out loud so it may just be rambling

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

There needs to be a film/video actually showing this stuff.

[@mr.sleepyhead8401]

I wish there was a part 3

[@dialaskisel5929]

Eh, sustainability was always a weakness for the Sith.

[@vedymin1]

Im always weirded out by how the force is portrayed in such a limited way as "abilities". In my mind the force would be an engine to enact whatever one's imagination called it to perform, to bend reality however one wished, unbound by such specific actions and not such gamey sounding things like "force speed" or choke or whatever. These aren't D&D spells. To me it really cheapens the force and its limitless potential. Its as if those force users lacked imagination to do anything other than a short list of powers found in some pc title, or the force itself limited its users to be able to do only specific things in a specific way. Its as if a jedi said "i can jump high, push and pull stuff, deflect bolts etc, AND nothing more couse i can't be bothered to be imaginative at all, some guy 2000 years ago had to dig deep and shit so that i now can have a one new specific ability i didn't use my brain to think of".

[@epistemo3442]

Mozoto There is a Force ability that allows to basically rip the fabric of the universe, consume space itself, and alter time itself, the onlyknown user would be Legends Sidious, not the bullshit Disney Canon Sidious. The Force ability is unfortunately legends, not canon, kinda wish, Disney Canon features a Force ability that allows the user to basically warp reality itself.

[@ooo18162]

Mozoto dude you should watch the matrix I think you'll like it

[@DarckArchon]

Magic and the like should't be so easy to wield, it has to either have drawbacks or have some limitations (that can be surpassed obviously). A simple force push should require no effort and little concentration, whilst a force storm must demand all the focus possible and proper preparation. The Force can have uses beyound our wildest dreams but they aren't that easy to pull off, reason why millennia of study and teachings allowed for improvement on techniques and discovery of new powers.

[@FictagiousDaveSavage]

Coming across these types of videos is interesting. So a question I pose in relation to this loss of Sith teachings; Is there a way, a Sith or Jedi, can send their conscious back in time, to "view" the teachings? I'm not a "hardcore" Star Wars fan, but still a fan of stuff like this, where imaginations run wild. Thanks.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Indeed they could - in legends there's the ability to FLOW-WALK! You can watch past events that way (you can't alter the timeline (no paradoxes possible and no interacting with people from the past!), but in theory you could learn from the ancient sith, you would just need a lot of time to find the points in the past where they discover/use their most devastating or brilliant abilities (like teleportation and force travel (basically using the force to travel vast distances), the illusions Naga Sadow used to nearly conquer the Republic etc. etc.))

[@katut19]

Everyone forgets the selfish rule of the Sith which is " A True Sith Does Not Share Power." and knowledge is power.

[@PutTheCookieDown]

Video starts at 2:40

[@0hvist]

DAMMIT GRAVID! I swear, if you destroyed the Holocron of the first Sith King Adas: the "Atriox" of the Infinite Empires' "Covenant"...

[@DeusExAstra]

Thousands of Jedi. Two Sith... one of which is trying to kill the other. Which group do you think is going to win?

[@RyanConIon]

It is only that the Sith were once that powerful that I can somewhat accept that Rey and Kylo Ren are that powerful

[@darthtator3549]

Ducking gravid deserves his fate

[@captain_dsz6049]

A coolwhat if would be if palpatine coul tim travel and learn all the sith knowledge from every ancient sith master and preserve it in a holocron for the futuee sith in legends

[@parallaxis261]

gravid was a god damn progressive

[@tayetrotman]

So basically Gravid wanted a new Jedaii order

[@cameroncolby9409]

I think the reason ancient sith are so much more powerful is because Star Wars legends takes everything and cranks it up to max. I mean luke skywalker was said to have looked like he was wielding 30 sabers at once, and Darth Nihlius being able to drain an entire planet of its life.

[@epistemo3442]

Cameron Colby Really... Sidious did this… Consume all of space, alter time, and rip reality itself through the use of Force Storms. Burn entire planets with his Force lightning. mind dominate twenty billions, while also draining the a Force out of them. Did galactic size battle mediation for straight 23 years and he did it for 24/7 without having a rest during his reign as the Emperor of the Galactic Empire up until to his death above Endor. Mind dominate hundreds of quadrillions as proven, he can mind dominate an entire galaxy. Became so powerful that he exists as a being of pure dark side energy. Created Force Defense so durable that it can survive attacks that literally consume and destroys everything it touches, as to not let Luke and R2-D2 or Imperial fleets transport to Byss as to not being destroyed by the all-destructive power of the Force Storm and he can also create Force Defense on scales of entire fleets . It took every single goddamn Jedi from the time of their creation up until to 11 A.B.Y. to basically seal his spirit into Chaos (the Star Wars Equivalent of hell) for an eternity and still not killing him. Move at high-end relativistic speeds, when he is a spirit, he moves at MTFL speeds. Move a 19,000 Meter ship casually while also mind wiping trillions. If those deceased Jedi didn't appear in the first place, he would have succeeded to enslave the entire galaxy or the universe to the dark side, and make it into a dark side nexus, in which, he drains from, to make himself omnipotent, and have his mere presence spread across the universe, thus making himself omnipresent, and possibly omniscient on a universal scale. This is all the evidence of what all, I said in this post: comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/darth-sidioussheev-palpatine-super-respect-thread-1877280/

[@epistemo3442]

wilfri Castillo Legions of Jedi Masters is absolutely nothing compared to a every deceased Jedi from 25,000 B.B.Y. to 11 A.B.Y. and Exar Kun got his spirit obliterates, whereas it took every deceased Jedi to seal his spirit to the netherworld of the Force, but not enough to destroy his spirit.

[@epistemo3442]

Based on your logic, Exar Kun should be more powerful than Sidious because Exar Kun is older than Sidious. By applying the same logic to the Sith Ghost on the Murr Talisman, he should be considered the most powerful Sith Lord ever, because he's like almost 7,000 years old during B.B.Y. You do realize that long age doesn't equal to becoming more powerful in the Force, Yoda is like more than 800 years old, and he got beaten by Sidious. I' m aware that Grandmaster or Prime Luke is at least capable of beating Prime Sidious.

[@epistemo3442]

I just look up Exar Kun's exact death, it was stated 11 A.B.Y. Luke in that year is still Grandmaster Luke power level, GM Luke power level only appear like 25 A.B.Y. or after that time. Luke on 11 A.B.Y is not Grandmaster Luke level. Exar Kun still loses to Peak Sidious, the same guy who survived every deceased Jedi from 25,000 B.B.Y. to 11 A.B.Y., also Jedi who had become one with the Force is more powerful when there are still living, because they had become one with the Force itself. Also, GM Luke=/= every single deceased Jedi that have ever existed.

[@KrowTheOmEgA777]

Should be titled "Why modern Sith Sthuck