7 Gray Force Orders That Competed With and Rivaled the Jedi and Sith Orders

[@starwarsreadingclub]

So there we have it! The completion to our series looking at light, dark, and gray Force Orders that competed with the Jedi and Sith, with today’s video bringing the total to 22. I hope that you all enjoy today’s video, as I had a lot of fun researching and writing these. There are a lot of directions we can go next within this context, but I can’t thank you enough for all of your recent support! It truly helps when putting together videos like this one. :)

[@EM-lz4rb]

Star Wars Reading Club I liked the ending lol "For what a great idea that could be"

[@MoeMoeJoeJoe]

Why do you always show Thrawn at the end of your videos?

[@allmightlionthunder5515]

The question is did they over come order 66 as that was mainly done to the Jedi !

[@PercyTheRogue]

You know the Imperial knights didnt serve emperor palpatine/sidious but THEIR emperor as they came from a noble family of force sensitives who in their prior days WERE more leanient to the light. And the most interesting thing is that they used a special cristal found on tatooine in their light sabers to grant their blades a silver color (NOT WHITE) and the cristal had huge absorbing powers towards energy such as sith lightning. But they never used just that cristal but combined it with other ones just for the color wffect and the force energy attack draining aspect of it.

[@rjmatarobitsy]

I have feeling that the order that Rey will make will be gray too

[@chakatBombshell]

Grey Jedi, the only healthy jedi minded jedi because they understood that full emotional cut off is an awful idea as well as giving into Sith full on emotion and greed. All you need to do is be a person who practices moderation but not rejection of emotions and joys. Balance of the force is as easy as being a normal person who isn't an asshole.

[@ThanatosZero]

Jedi fight against their emotions, Sith give into their emotion. Both methods leads to identification, which empowers both the ego and the inherent traumata. Thus drama in- and outside are guaranteed. Disidentification is the key and the willingness to feel and to accept the emotions.

[@pingaspearce9403]

It’s not that easy for a force user I’m afraid given that their gifted with the most powerful abilities in the galaxy the question is do you embrace your gifts and talents or reject them Thus. The Jedi and the sith were born. Could you really be a grey Jedi without truly giving into the dark side?

[@revantheno-lifedemon885]

@@pingaspearce9403 Yes, the first force users, the Jedh'aii were basically grey jedi until some of them started to listen to black metal, wanted to wear make up and be genuine assholes.

[@WastelandSeven]

I agree. If the Force is of nature, and nature gave you emotions, to deny emotion is unnatural. Likewise if nature gave you the ability to control your emotions and act in consideration for other entities, then rejecting self control is likewise unnatural. You'd think they might have taken a hint from that.

[@MrGonq]

I think to say it's easy is a gross overstatement. We know from real life not all life is created equally and everyone goes through life differently. You can't expect someone who's gone through nothing but hardship and abuse in their life to adhere to the jedi code of being emotionless, they're going to be angry, fearful, have hatred towards the people who made their lives hell. Similarly doesn't help that most jedi were taken as children and taught an ideology they didn't understand and to be deny their emotional development at a stage in life where thats crucial. The story we're told in the films is 100% of manipulation.

[@jmess003]

If the force was real, the grey Jedi is EXACTLY how I would view it.

[@angelr864]

OH HECK YEAH!!!

[@ForgottenGamesAndMods]

It is.

[@Michael-gq9cd]

Painindeass1million Biophotons. Qi

[@aamirrazak3467]

Agreed the force in balance is best not veering to either extreme

[@WastelandSeven]

I as well.

[@widgren87]

As a kid the Jedi were the obvious "good" and Sith "evil", now I see them both as flawed. One could say the Jedi stared to long into the light and thus blinded themselves to the world around them just as the Sith stared to long into the dark, both so focused that they could no longer see the balance already present in the world around them. Life and Death, Light and Dark neither can exist without the other. Anyway great video and best of luck, hope to see more videos on the Mandalorians sometime :-)

[@emmanuelmorris7653]

Nicely said and I wouldn't mind some Mandalorians

[@widgren87]

"Haatyc or'arue jate'shya ori'sol aru'ike nuhaatyc" Better one big enemy that you can see than many small ones that you can't. (Mandalorian proverb.) They are easily my favourite culture in Star Wars, such a shame we will never see a movie from their point of view :-/ Anyway thanks and have a good one

[@emmanuelmorris7653]

@@widgren87 they're supposed to get a show but I don't know much more than that

[@widgren87]

First I've heard of that... All we can do is hope and wait

[@Marcusjnmc]

the show would have to do a lot & ignore a lot, Filoni's done some great work for post disney star wars but really made a mess of the old mandalorians when he started out, it'd be wonderful if they canonized a lot of the older concepts though.

[@Twilight5007]

Jensaarai are definitely my favorite force organization. A balanced approach that still tries to better the galaxy, and they are sensible enough to use full plate armor of lightsaber resistant material. Seriously, you would think the sith after bane would care enough about self preservation to invest in armor, or the jedi to go back to it in times of war. Then again, how would we get cliche fights with people losing limbs, heads, or lower bodies if they wore armor.

[@clarehidalgo]

Like I understand why some wouldn't due to mobility vs protection trade off armor has but you'd think at least some of them would invest in partial armor not talking full harness here just, you know, the things that protect their most important organs like a chest piece or head protection

[@sethwinters3556]

@@clarehidalgo I don't think it's canon anymore but Boba Fett's neck piece is lightsaber resistant so he doesn't die just like his father did lol.

[@perdedor3571]

I dig it. They have a very Jungian view of life.

[@Alrucards]

After watching Rise of Skywalker even though that movie has a lot of holes and B.S. in the movie. I thought Finn as someone whose coming to terms he might be force sensitive hinted in Force Awakens would have been better as a Jensaarai than a Jedi.

[@justinamey7116]

the jedi for the most part were a murderous occupying military force, the were peacekeeper Do you in real life want police knocking on your door in full tactical gear, looking scary as fuck, can't see their face? Or rather a calm collect people they would actually speak to . Also Jensaarai were exactly welcoming people.

[@JanPeverell]

The Imperial Knights! They might not be much about philosophies or special Force techniques, but I sure like their concept a lot. Most likely founded by Jagged Fel and his wife, Jaina Solo, I always thought that they were a great symbol of the new Fel Empire, which itself was the culmination of the Empire's long redemption story throughout Legends (until the Moff Council [greedy bastards] and One Sith messed everything up). Sad to say that many of these other Force-using organizations were never really explored in the depth they deserved. Since you mention the Je'daii in this video: have you finally managed to finish Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void?

[@starwarsreadingclub]

The Imperial Knights were one of my favourites on this list for sure and could have been explored in a lot more detail. It is only yet another reason to jump into the Legacy-era stuff! :) Into the Void hasn't been on my "to do" list for novels in a while, but I know it is waiting for me once I get a chance to go back and read some of the ones I have the most interest in.

[@zinki120]

I too love the Imperial Knights esp. with the current Empress Marasiah Fel at the helm. =)

[@dreamingflurry2729]

I don't like them...they remind me of crime-syndicates! Totally devoted to a leader and leaving means you are killed!...I prefer the Je'dai or the Jensarai (especially their armor! Seriously, you fight with lightsabers and might lose limbs any second, but refuse to wear armor that can take a few blows? Damned! Ruusan-Reformation, I blame you!)

[@brianhanes5413]

Even though I'd usually just be a Jedi, ud definitely be an Imperial Knight if I lived in the Star Wars Legacy Era.

[@richardrobinson1651]

Under Disney canon, those who follow the light are The Knights of Mickey. Dark side adepts are The Servants of Donald. And those on an each-way bet are The Friends of Goofy.

[@patrickmcshane7658]

Funny

[@Facade953]

LOL!!!!😂

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

Really want to see something like this in canon, it would be awesome to see a third faction of more balanced Force Users who practice a philosophy of light and dark combined, it would add a lot to the saga. To see a series of movies centred around a conflict where the Jedi and Sith are both challenged by this new faction, call them the Bendu Masters or whatever you like, would be great and a nice change. Think there is a lot that could be done with that kind of story.

[@hattorihaso2579]

Naah it would take away so much of the original trilogy

[@Jagarn13]

A lot can be done if they don't inhabit the apathy common gray Jedi adopt. I support Kreia's criticisms of sith, Jedi, and Gray jedi, if only to see that Trinity of conflict in the future. But idk if Disney will allow such game changing story elements into the universe, better to just keep cashing in on the meta, right?

[@alphacoven9524]

@@hattorihaso2579 how?

[@hattorihaso2579]

@@alphacoven9524 makes it much to convoluted and full of bullshit. Star wars is supposed to be simple jedi good guys sith bad guys light side and dark side. All this bullshit takes away so much from the original story and feeling

[@justan-eli9262]

@@hattorihaso2579 too be fair fallen order does have a base of that with the zeffo they just need to expand it

[@Mandalore863]

The Imperial Knights...man, I love those guys. It's a damn shame they got rid of them when Disney took over.

[@Marcusjnmc]

they're a future organization though, & the dynasty still roughly kinda exists, so it isn't impossible they'd reappear in some fashion later down the line, :thinks: I'd like that, & the great stories already existing from the originals are oc still there

[@zinki120]

The Imperial Knights may show up as a group serving a different dynasty or faction. They'll be like those in Legends but their origin story for Disney Canon might be different.

[@theloweffortchannel7211]

affix bayonets

[@erikurizita6702]

Imperial Knights were from Jaina Fel Solo’s school of thought, so no, they’ll never be canon. There hasn’t been an actual strong female like her in canon, and from what I’ve seen, there never will be.

[@brianhanes5413]

They could still make a Legends Star Wars Legacy series. They could still do a lot of stuff but the question is if they will.

[@figjam9530]

"punished by means of death." i laughed way too hard at this.

[@selcouth4651]

I liked that conclusion that the grey jedi came to about the force. "It wasn't the force or dark side that pushed on towards evil. It was the individuals themselves who perverted the force through their own weakness and malevolent nature." Because I always hated the fact that the jedi viewed Anakins turn to the dark side as "The will of the force". Besides that, the whole thing just makes so much more sense as it ties in with the fact that the sith make their Kyber crystals bleed to get a red lightsaber.

[@jamescampbell39]

follow the way of the Mandalorian Jedi Tar Visla

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

For me it's always a joy to see people that have a balance thinking, including Star Wars. No matter of the faction, they all had a single point of view: The Force is "side-less", there's no dark or light, only balance. This idea of Gray seems very genius to think about, in fact, if I would'v been a Jedi, I'd research more about these entities and maybe join their faction (excluding the Voss Mystics). Such a great subject, you deserve the likes and views, my friend. May the Force be with you! :D

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

Balanced* Oops..

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

And would've*.. Oops again.. :P

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Wasn't this what Jacen Solo did, though? I'm not trying to crap on your beliefs, it's just that I don't have a great grasp on how he turned and thought this was how he started off on the path of the Sith.

[@Explorerofshadows]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 He didn't have the willpower to resist the darkside. The grey path is so uncommon and hard to achieve because the amount of effort to balance such powerful forces inside oneself is extreme and since the darkside is the corruptive or passionate one imbalance typically leans towards its favor.

[@happybalint]

Those pale blue lightsabers look so awesome

[@rhettdale7027]

All your videos make me love the lore to Star Wars even more. I don’t need Disney’s movies when I hear you read these few minute long stories.

[@RChase-su4wz]

Good thumbnails, even better content.

[@starwarsreadingclub]

Thank you as always for the support, it is very much appreciated!

[@RChase-su4wz]

thank you for consistently good content!

[@bouttreefiddy6163]

The Imperial Knight were essential a light side order. They firmly rejected the dark side. The only difference between them and a Jedi was their loyalty to the Emperor first, unless the Emporer turns to the dark side. They werent grey.

[@rainbowbgood]

That sense of self-discovery when you realize you're a grey force user.

[@S0L1nv1ctus]

7 shades of gray

[@Yabuturtle]

This is how I would do it. I always felt the biggest missed opportunity was not showing how Luke and Leia ran the order. That was one of the things that I feel would have made it better. Rey should have been Anakin reincarnated, explaining why she is so strong, her connection to the skywalkers, why Anakin's saber called out to her, why Anakin's ghost was absent, ect. Both he and Palpatine come back but in different ways, where Palpatine just puts his soul in another clone body, while Anakin, fearing the return of the sith, gives up his immortality and reincarnates into a completely different body. Rey and Finn also fall in love. Never was that big of a fan of Reylo personally as I always saw them having more of a brother/sister relationship than a romantic one. Rey would also actually have to train as well. xD Instead of just learning stuff that even the chosen one had to train for. She'd still be gifted but I felt she learned stuff too easily. You also could have not had starkiller base. Don't even mention planet destroyers until the final movie, where they release a coupe dozen star destroyers but they destroy well known planets like, Dantooine, Hoth, ect. Rey joins with Luke's new order and after Luke sacrifices himself to prevent Palpatine from killing them, 4 main Jedi go to Exegol to defeat the emperor. Rey, a scavenger and former slave who freed herself and the reincarnation of the chosen one. Finn, a storm trooper that was part of an experiment to artificially create force sensitive storm troopers. Ben, formerly known as Kylo and a former knight of ren, and Poe, a former Jedi from Luke's order and became a bounty hunter who uses the force. Poe, Finn, Rey and Ben join together to fight hoards of sith marauders and sith troopers and finally face the emperor. Leia unites the warring factions that were manipulated by the sith as well as the knights of ren and snoke and his loyalists. There are light sided, dark sided and even gray sided orders shown here, and they all have their own beliefs and agenda. Rey technically fulfills the prophecy since she is the reincarnation of the chosen one and she destroys Palpatine once and for all. Her being the reincarnation of the chosen one would really make the sequel trilogy feel like it's part of the Skywalker Saga. Think about it. Prequels showed Anakin's life as a Jedi, then the originals showed his life as a Sith and with the sequel trilogy, it would show the reincarnation of Anakin: Rey, living a new life and a new adventure. Now be honest, tell me what you think. I personally think something like this would have made the sequels amazing.

[@xghost2506]

I like it

[@ZeteticPlato]

There is only the Force I am nothing without it, as it is nothing without me Power is nothing without Wisdom Wisdom nothing without Discernment As I use the Force, it also uses me I am a Grey Guardian

[@andrewmatseshe7343]

This channel gets better and better. "We love watching these videos, so we'll give a like, and stay subscribed to the channel. We'll follow on Twitter and if the wife allows (lol) we may become a Patreon. If not for meeeee..... For Star Wars KZbinrs still covering Legends Coooonnnnteeeennnnttttttt."

[@chuckpryde2629]

What about the droid attack on the wookies?

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

What about the wookie attack on the droids?

[@miles2378]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 you sorled Porg wrong!

[@ItsDeebs]

You could say the way Anakin brought balance to the force, was ending 1000 years of Jedi Order and the lights dominance over the galaxy. Momentarily falling to the dark side but then his children brought it back. Now both sides in the new Disney canon. Have become perfect balance. 1 light & 1 dark. So will they both die or establish a truce and the era of Grey.

[@BlackEpyon]

Who says Rey is a Mary Sue? The Force calls for balance, and goddammit, it will have it! As Snoke said, "Darkness rises, and the Light to meet it."

[@underkitten]

BlackEpyon that’s some pretty sweet looking armour she has there. Plot armour is best armour.

[@revantheno-lifedemon885]

​@@BlackEpyon everyone with common sense says that she is a ma-rey sue, she is the very definition of one, to the letter. She learns anything instantly without any prior knowledge, has no personal motivation besides the "greater good", is liked by anyone she meets instantly and everyone trusts her despite knowing her for....10 mins tops.

[@BlackEpyon]

@@revantheno-lifedemon885 Learns everything instantly? Why did it take her two tries to mind-trick the Stormtrooper then? The greater good isn't her only motivator. She also wanted to find her parents. Liked by everybody she meets "instantly?" Not that we have time to form proper relationships, but I see plenty of people on Jakku who don't like her, not to mention the First Order. Luke didn't like her right away either, nor do the caretakers, so "everybody" is rendered invalid. But more importantly, a "Mary Sue" does not experience self doubt, or personal trauma. Rey does.

[@BlackEpyon]

@Blake Hunt What are you talking about? Mind tricks? Didn't it take everybody two tries?

[@JamesFromTexas]

This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thank you so very much.

[@ZaZa-kp9gt]

Imperial knights in the Cade Skywalker series were cool. Loved Krayt too. Such a great series

[@jcthemonkeyking9412]

I wish we could of seen gray force orders in movies

[@BlackEpyon]

Why should I choose between the dichotomy of light and dark? They are both sides of the same coin, and I'd like to get my credit's worth.

[@BlackEpyon]

​@Tactical Bacon Are two sides of the same coin identical? No. I don't subscribe to the doctrines of either Jedi or Sith. There is ONLY the Force. Light and Dark are a subjective dichotomy more reflective of the user, and the mark they or others leave on the Living Force, than the Force itself. At least, that's how I see it.

[@BlackEpyon]

@Tactical Bacon You are referring to our notions of morality and well-being, not the Force. You are also making a straw man of my argument by confusing the institutions with the side of the Force with which they align. To the Force, life and death are merely two states of the same thing. Everything that is alive comes from the Force, and everything that dies returns to the Force. The rise of the Sith is the expression of the Dark Side in response to imbalance brought about by an age of prosperity shifting the balance towards the Light Side. Once the Sith have won, they turn on each other, and in death they restore the balance. New life replaces the old, but excessive prosperity, in which life proliferates without check, is an imbalance, just as massive death tolls are an imbalance. Extinction makes way for new species that fill the vacancy, and the cycle repeats. Darkness rises, and the light to meet it. I do not speak of Light and Dark as if there could be the one without the other. The Force will always return to balance.

[@BlackEpyon]

@Tactical Bacon The light side seeks LIFE and order, not balance. Balance is only achieved when life and death are present in equal parts, or where entropy and order are in equal parts, and when Light and Dark are equally represented. By definition, the Light Side dominating is NOT balance. You straw manned my argument the moment you brought the Sith into the discussion.

[@BlackEpyon]

​@Tactical Bacon You are diverting the topic again. Which dark side order one prefers to name is irrelevant to this discussion. Death must balance life, because unchecked growth consumes resources until they become scarce, leading to the collapse of the system, and the reverse also applies. To be unchanging is to stagnate, leaving one vulnerable and complacent. Therefore, chaos must balance order, and likewise, the system can not thrive if chaos reigns. Unless you're talking about thermodynamics, entropy is the same as chaos in this case.

[@Explorerofshadows]

@@BlackEpyon The only group of people in Starwars I can accurately call thermodynamic followers are thre sorcerers of Rhan as they just want to burn shit to the ground.

[@robertagu5533]

Personally i think its clear the "true" way if there is one is balance. Something BOTH Sith an Jedi alike failed to ultimately understand.. an so ultimately failed entirely. The Original Jedaii order from which we have the classic Sith and Jedi we know anyways was a balanced light and dark order anyways. So the Grey is kinda like goin back to their roots. An have basically the strengths of BOTH with not neccessarily eithers weaknesses. Groups like "the doomed" existing and given their origins basically PROVED light and darkside orders could ultimately coexist and learn to work together an perhaps even respect and come to like each other if they really wanted too. Which kinda made the Jedi and Sith really biased, bigoted and flawed by comparison.

[@a.m.9993]

Robert Agu As well as self-righteous.

[@Jacked6]

It seems to me anyone on the dark side has given into their emotions and anger and thus would act different and have a different philosophy as a result, they wouldn't be able to restrict themselves, and those on the "light" would be incompatible as they are over restrictive and perhaps appearing weak to those with more raw emotions. But it also seems the light represses those emotions, with no outlet. Rather than not have them in the first place, and so are naturally unbalanced, even for all their meditation and "peace". In the films we don't really get to see this explored do we

[@lordofconflict8282]

Ashla the light, Bogan the dark, Bendu the one in the middle. Hmm. In the rebels tv series we see a powerful Force creature calling himself the Bendu the one in the middle, I wounder if that could mean there are two more beings like him in Star Wars called Ashla and Bogan; one who stands in the light, the other in darkness.

[@goodmind4940]

Is it possible that Bendu is Father from Mortis given the fact that Ahsoka have bird as Daughter?

[@goodmind4940]

Also Ahsoka calls herself Ashla as pseudonym in "Ahsoka" book

[@csgo6191]

good to see anotha vid from ya

[@jeremybuenaventura808]

So much Star Wars lore. I approve.

[@LoremonX]

I love the Imperial Knights and love their balanced approach to the Force, embodied in the Emperor. But the Jensaarai are my true love faction. I still hold onto hope that they'll be brought in to canon.

[@LooneyBin17]

Me:*hears voss and revan**FULL SWTOR MODE ENGAGED**SCREECHES IN REVANITE*

[@teeheeteeheeish]

Qui Gon Jin was by far the coolest grey Jedi. His backstory is incredible. I wish him and his former master Count Dooku had split off to form their own order.

[@MuttonfudgeRacing]

I love Qui Gon. But my favorite is Revan.

[@luisandrade5500]

Yes would love to hear more about the splinter groups of both orders and even the grey orders

[@WastelandSeven]

I agree with the Potentium to a point.. The evil lies within the user's heart, not in some outside force you can conveniently blame for your fall. Then again, I doubt the Force is either good or evil. It just is. The heart of the entity determines their alignment.

[@collinkelly5367]

The Jedi are just the space Spanish Inquisition

[@Degenevesting]

The light side holds enlightenment The dark side holds power The middle ground holds either the highest of power balanced by the enlightenment (revans path) Or the grey, a separation from alignment.

[@PercyTheRogue]

You know the Imperial knights didnt serve emperor palpatine/sidious but THEIR emperor as they came from a noble family of force sensitives who in their prior days WERE more leanient to the light. And the most interesting thing is that they used a special cristal found on tatooine in their light sabers to grant their blades a silver color (NOT WHITE) and the cristal had huge absorbing powers towards energy such as sith lightning. But they never used just that cristal but combined it with other ones just for the color wffect and the force energy attack draining aspect of it.

[@4sakend1]

These orders sound way more interesting than the other two

[@navilluscire2567]

For the longest time I've held the belief that there are more or less 4 BROAD (can not stress this enough) views or "paths" of the force. These being "the light", "the dark", "the grey", and 'the spectrums'. (various "colors" of emotions and concepts)

[@PongoXBongo]

The Force is neutral, it is simply a tool. Like all tools, it can be harnessed for good or for evil.

[@pjmurray91]

As Kyle Katarn said, abilities are not inherently good or evil. It is how you use them.

[@andrewwhittaker7016]

I'd love to see the Grey Jedi make into the future Star Wars movies

[@aamirrazak3467]

The jensaarai have some dope armor and the way they came to be is very interesting

[@bradleyhoyt3188]

Fascinating stuff. :-) I've just washed all three movies the seven that rivaled the Jedi the seven that rivaled the Sith and then this one. What I find most fascinating is the fact that there was an order that even predated the Jedi Order. :-) and of course from the Sith order one I find it fascinating that so many arrival darkseid factions were allowed to exist that palpatine didn't seek out and destroy all of them.

[@nicholasemjohnson47]

There's also the Knights of Zakuul.

[@mikhailkalashnikov7886]

Great video. Only complaint is that I was hoping to hear about the Grey Paladins.

[@piratecommodore]

This must have been before the expansion. given valkorian's neutral stance, it may well have Zakuul Knights and scions as Greys.

[@budhatt5043]

U can't have light without the dark so it's just logic that says there is a balance between

[@GuyInBlackClothes]

Imperial Knights : *sees the Emperor become evil* Alright, you're done.

[@Kubinda12345]

What about the Knights of Zakuul ?

[@ArmedPotat0]

What about the attack on Scions of Zakuul?

[@lordvayl2194]

They're more or less Imperial Knights without the rules to stay clear of the dark side, and to redeem or subdue the Emperor if he falls to the dark side.

[@BlackEpyon]

Even though they both feature heavily in the last two expansions to the Old Republic, I don't think there's a lot of extra content on them. But from what we can tell in game, that's basically the gist of it. I agree, they should have been included.

[@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017]

What about the droid attack on the wookies?

[@elmaster48]

lol looks like nobody give a damn about the zakuul knights

[@scutumfidelis1436]

Potentium actually makes the most sense.

[@beckermatthew28]

What happened to the jedaii

[@hippopotomostrosesquippeda5804]

Imagine Anakin discovering Grey orders

[@valandil86]

Love your vids man, keep up the good work :D

[@001ventura]

"The true way of the Force, you say? The true way, was the way of the Je' daii order....all others.... are ilusions about of the true nature of the Force. Jedi? Sith?....They all deny one side over the other. How can you know what you look like, when half of your face you refuse?....You can not. Blinding to one self, and to the true nature of the Force, you are." Master Niasu Mankai

[@kaiturner669]

The Revanites are definitely my favorite, also are the diamond shaped ships the same as the one from the start of the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars?

[@kaiturner669]

PS. Love that "If not for me"

[@nirek3676]

No, the ships are called Tho Yor. So they're not the same.

[@_Tzer]

do a video on the Mandalorian Knights

[@bridgenorton537]

You said grey force users viewed the force as neither good nor evil but they do consider the force “benevolent”. Benevolent means good. If anything, the grey force users see the force as ambivalent

[@thangvuong9196]

The Pontentium sound like the most enlightened force users, truly understanding that the force was simply an instrument, the true evil or true benevolence emanated from the practitioner, the usage of certain techniques is not evil in itself, it is the intent of the practitioner that dictates the dark or light.

[@matthewmann8969]

The Grey is the Way

[@taelim6599]

What about a highly materialistic group that believes that the force is a tool for them to use? They'd use both sides of the force (though they wouldn't try to maintain any arbitrary balance between the two unless there's a clear benefit in doing so), as well as advanced technology to achieve their goals.

[@emmettcullen7520]

One who doesn't commit to The Light or The Dark, is indeed balance of the force, which why I believe if The Chosen One Anakin Skywalker, was trained in being a lightsaber wielding and force using, human with no attachment to the light or dark, would have brought balance to the force.

[@DarkStarFox]

Are the Jal Shey light or gray?

[@lukaskopp6385]

What about the Zakuul Knights from SWTOR ? Aren't they Gray too ?

[@laszlofedor3463]

Or the Scions?

[@bjmize6246]

grey orders have always been my favorite.

[@HCUhardcoreUnited]

As far as Jedi and sith. I'd pick Sith, but even then I don't agree with them entirely. I'd rather go dark side with a splash of light.

[@BlackEpyon]

Light side Sith is fun to play as. NOBDOY knows what you're thinking!

[@shadow15kryans23]

I would be a weird mix of sith (do to pashion, anger, and belief of manipulation) , sorcerors of rhand (well entropy will eventually destroy the universe soo i would embrace the dark quite alot), the potenium (i believe force users must have control over themselves), dark jedi (grey but embraces chaos), Night sisters way (aka believe same as sith but believes control over ones emotions is necissary in most scenarios), jensaari (i do believe jedi hold back the force WAAAY to much and are evil in a WAY cause so), the order of reaven (i do believe balance is necissary, cause think about it what makes something according to quantum physics and special relativity is a more complex form of nothing, and if nothing is considered evil via following the way of the dark, technicallythis implies jedi abilities can be turned pretty easily into twisted forms cause so creating new powers), je'daii (cause only the strongest must continue). Yeeeeeahhh i am WAAAAY to many shades all at once (mainly pitch black, but logical just like darth plaguies)

[@shadow15kryans23]

@@BlackEpyon AHAHAHHAH

[@emperorpapaltine8864]

@@shadow15kryans23 cringe

[@shadow15kryans23]

@@emperorpapaltine8864 Didn't know geeking out = Cringe all of a sudden, but k

[@gamersinacontainer]

I love hearing about these organizations!

[@chrissmith9167]

Your art gripes are changed drastically Plague.

[@Explorerofshadows]

I feel like groups that try to balance the light and dark are the most true or enlightened groups but due to the amount of willpower needed to balance the corruptive dark side with the numbing lightside that its not a path most force users have the capability of traveling and thats why the Jedi are still needed.

[@enyrtovsen3174]

I like to look at the two sides of the force not as light or dark, but the zen side and emotion side

[@dseed87]

I'd like to hear about the sorcerer's of tun

[@davidwilliams2975]

Force sensitives are just heightened life forms in their universe, kinda like batteries. The "light side" is when you're connected to life around you drawing force energy from them, hence why one wouldn't be as prone to violence and can even feel their pain as a "disturbance in the force". Jedi have even described...whispers...as if they can hear the voices of life itself. The "dark side" is merely drawing Force energy from your own passion and emotions. A humans passions can be evil but it is not by definition, we also have the ability to be passionate for good. I think to be a proper Jedi is to Persue your passions while helping those in need. Don't dedicate yourself to others so much that you loose sight of who you are, and never focus so hard on yourself that you forget those around you. Balance in the force.

[@joshcasticshow]

I find it weird that the Je-di and the Jedi are literally the same name just pronounced differently.

[@revantheno-lifedemon885]

The Jedh'aii probably kept their name after the division and for linguistic simplicity rewrote their name as jedi after a few centuries. Pretty much like the british "colour" and the american "color". That is at least my take on that matter

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Very fascinating

[@dandrive3249]

My favorite grey jedi order, and favorite order in general is the grey paladins. They where a group of strategic jedi that used the force to push their body to the limits and accuracy with weapons. They believe that both the jedi and the sith depend on the force and light sabers to much. So most of them use normal blasters and stuff. They also believed that while the force does effect everything one shouldn’t depend on it, and they should try to boost their skills independent from it as much as possible. and thus most of their missions where very military like.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Kyle Katarn in nutshell.

[@thecomfyshirt]

Jedi and even the Sith be talking about “brining balance to the force.” They just don’t get that THEY’RE the imbalanced ones. The Jedi are just as radical in their ideology as the Sith. Both are so polarized that they can’t see they’re the same. Gray all day, bae. This is the way.

[@commissar_leon1613]

Potentium GANG💪💪💪

[@AGS363]

Gray is my favourite force colour!

[@trentonr7072]

We love making these videos...

[@honestgashandmade5831]

the 8th grey order... the star wars reading club :D

[@kazemizu]

So, what happened to the imperial knights with Palatine??

[@gyiregory8507]

As a Gray I love this

[@WVLFRVN]

So which was it? Lee? or Hal?

[@gamerid6507]

besides the je'daii wht happen to the other 6 orders?

[@sethwinters3556]

The belief of the potentium is how people have tried to describe the force to me. That the dark side isn't part of the force it's just a perversion like a cancer. I would argue completely against that though if you think about the mortis arc.

[@admiralgoodboy]

If i was lucky enough to be a jedi, id be a grey jedi. Because i share the same philosophy and i like the white lightsaber the best

[@conceptualelixirsllc1576]

I love the music..do anyone the title of it??

[@pratib9663]

What about the Dagoyan Masters?

[@Formallyknownashandle]

Hope they bring more of these to current canon!

[@ravenfal1496]

I'm surprised you didn't include the Zakuul Knights.

[@thedarkknight727]

GRAY JEDI IS LOVE GRAY JEDI IS LIFE

[@RaharijaoDavid]

What about zakuulans ?

[@mmmtm8930]

Not gonna lie, I initially thought it said "7 gay force orders".

[@martinpavlicek2299]

Rainbow side of the Force... This would actually be interesting, some Order which saw Force as more colorfull than just dualistic light and dark.

[@AeneasGemini]

@@martinpavlicek2299 The Aaing Tii saw the force as exactly that, a multi-coloured spectrum, not light or dark. So there you go, Rainbow force users

[@skyhunter2423]

Use the force Luke, I haven't got any lubricant

[@PongoXBongo]

That would explain the purple lightsabers. ;)

[@brianmcconnell2049]

Well the guys voice is pretty gay...Good videos though

[@SmokeySoMessy]

The Jensaraii sounds more like what a grey Jedi SHOULD be. Utilizing dark AND light side powers. Use force heal to help a colleague while I hit an enemy with force lightning.

[@davidgiles4681]

As I understand the Gray Jedi - they state - The Force is a tool that has neither good or bad. Like any tool, it has both good and bad applications. How you apply the Force is what makes you Sith or Jedi. That is like owning a gun. The gun is neither good or bad. How one uses it relates to it being a force of good or a force of evil. that puts them between two rocks.

[@dougsam6341]

What side would you join?

[@fenrysfenir5858]

you forgot about the knights and scions of zakuul and the scions whom where gray and view the force as areword from serving their master