Stateless Society is PEAK EU4 Gameplay

[@domena1007]

> stateless society > looks inside > states

[@lordedmundblackadder9321]

> stateless society > autocratic leader and clear line of succession > professional army and military hierarchy > keeps other stateless societies as subjects ok 👍

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

I would've laughed if the game kept him in regency council until he changed government or died. Perfect representation of "stateless society"

[@derekskelton4187]

More one guy with a buncha mercs gets paid tribute. Which is not that different how most monarchies form, but still in the early stages here

[@SeataltBelten]

Anarchists when I touch their pro state

[@ThomasDiesch]

i mean having 0 Forts with +75% fort defense and tons of money from Ming is a mistery for me.

[@JosephGilles-z3h]

He’s playmaker he will never have forts

[@Neo_Anderson]

I'd imagine the naval idea is a historical flavour decision for the Cham people. Someone on the PDX team clearly had some attention for detail there. The Chams were originally a coastal people until being pushed back into the mountains by the Vietnamese and Cambodias as well as Khmer expansion.

[@Podzhagitel]

brought to you by Rhade: Stateless Legends

[@Gusfrfr]

You played as your twitch chat?

[@Calltheshotten]

Twitch chat is definitely a stateless society.

[@void0x]

1:06 Until No Heir ascends the throne, Regent Tribal Council will be loyal to the crown.

[@sorsocksfake]

Regarding the govcap: it's just a -99% modifier. That means you can use admin ideas to get back from 1% to 21%. Moreover, there's a convenient monument nearby in Bangkok that gives 5-10-15% - huge. Finally you can get 10% from the infra-aristo policy, for 46% total (about the same as Prussia). Your capital state has -100% gov cost. Note: this modified likewise is an additive percentage, so the +10% from expand infrastructure gets you back to 10% gov cost, hence your little problem. Infrastructure-5 likewise gives a -10% that could compensate for it. Beyond that, there's the Centralize State action for 50 reform and 50 admin that gives a repeatable -20% to a state after 5 years. So, if you can afford it, over 25 years you can reduce any state's govcap cost to zero. Unfortunately since you're not a monarchy, you can't get the reform that refunds 50% of the cost. Finally, once you hit tech 8 you can use courthouses for unlimited territories. At tech 12, provided you took infra-5, a courthouse+state house+ infra5 should reduce governing costs by 50%, allowing for unlimited halfstates or trade companies. Unfortunately that doesn't quite fit in an hour, otherwise it seems like a great Parabellum challenge to do a world conquest while remaining a stateless society :)

[@Nagassh]

I started this video thinking you were a fool for not just sitting on one of the OPMs to bait a ming trib into attacking them before vassalizing to get a viable war. Then I watched that Ming war. I feel like I've lost more braincells that Ming lost troops. What the hell was that.

[@therealzizmon1748]

It's worth noting that despite Mil 6 unlocking a new cav unit type, it's still an infantry tech. You're paying almost triple the cost for the same damage output. EDIT: How did this even devolve into such a dumb conversation? It's indisputable that infantry is far more effective at Tech 6, you can literally check it in game. Infantry Fire Modifier - 0.55 Infantry Shock Modifier - 0.95 Western Infantry Pips: 1 Shock, 2 Morale Chinese Infantry Pips: 1 Shock, 3 Morale (1 Defensive) Cavalry Fire Modifier - 0 Cavalry Shock Modifier - 1.2 Western Cavalry Pips: 1 Shock, 2 Morale (1 Defensive) Chinese Cavalry Pips: 3 Shock (1 Defensive), 3 Morale (1 Defensive). Infantry is quite literally stronger than cavalry at tech 6, and costs 3x less. Keep in mind that fire damage (even early game) is still good, as it damages regiments before the shock phase. In fact, the fire phase is the main reason why Cav is a joke, unless you get modifiers such as Cav fire. When it comes to pips, they are exactly 5 times less relevant than 1 dice roll modifier, which means that they are not very relevant, especially early on.

[@jasonmain6398]

Cavalry do significantly more damage than the infantry. Just not three times as much.

[@josechacon2446]

@@jasonmain6398At Mil tech 6, Eastern tech cav gets 5 pips while inf has 4 pips. At Mil 5, inf has 4 pips and cav has 3. Later in the game cav becomes absolute as pip differences between the two are comparatively insignificant and cav engagement becomes tedious to manage. If you can fight boredom enough to make it past tech 26, inf usually has more pips than cav.

[@jasonmain6398]

@@josechacon2446 oh, you don't seem to know how the game works. I'm not talking about the pips from the unit model. I'm talking about the fire and shock damage from the unit type.

[@jasonmain6398]

@josechacon2446 thinking that cavalry and infantry do equivalent damage is completely unhinged

[@josechacon2446]

@@jasonmain6398 Fire and shock damage are determined by dice roll, terrain type, attacker vs defender, tech, leader and unit pips. If there’s something I don’t know, feel free to inform me.

[@keropnw3425]

Ming losing like 100k men to random jungle savages in inner Cham for literally no reason and no one else taking advantage of it.

[@Ragatokk]

Fun nation, slightly suboptimal play.

[@kyleawsum7]

they have naval focused ideas becaus theyre basically made for champa and theyre in the same culture

[@thebeardman7533]

Well maybe you get so much land your admin eff overflows or like the ccr overflows

[@srcorp6673]

I am actually a big stateless society fan, if u get admin ideas ur gov cap becomes -79% instead of -99% with some good subjects campains re pretty fun

[@socii1x0231h]

Stateless society wc when?

[@gawryl7637]

administrative ideas would fix gov capacity :) your favorite idea

[@pierrelipperheide7981]

took me a while to realize most of your videos are edited streams. for more accessability on YT, might I suggest adding an actual intro explaining your goals? also, for less audience frustration, you might wanna check out the nation you're playing beforehand... like the ideas, mechanics, mission tree, etc. that's apropos Lithuania, too^^

[@Theplaymaker57]

I usually do, But I am sick atm

[@taikutsunaneko9125]

which one of you guys said horses ar useless. I could understand horses are not the best if you are playing as sweeden and start with +%20 infantry combat ability but horses are the deal extra damage to enemies when they are not able to fill the combat width

[@RealEuropeanPatriot]

It really annoys me how he doesn't have rebels on his outliner

[@bobdenalio2074]

best video yet

[@Nubya66]

a banger video

[@BidnessGoose]

I think you coulda had it, just gotta believe.

[@ActualizeKufner1]

Jarai is probably one of my favorite flags missed your chance to play as elephant head society!

[@similartoethab7187]

you gotta try this again

[@Riael]

Sometimes Paradox will add an estate mechanic which is actually impactful on the game and not just some buttons which you press in the exact same way at the start of every match. Lmao nah they're just going for eu5 there's no way they'll ever improve eu4.

[@AdTe]

ggs, it's a loss can't win em all 😭😭

[@jedih8526]

Part 2 when?~ xD

[@andrewrecard5857]

Khmer actually pronounced Kuh-mai

[@hem9483]

we really should change the spelling to match pronounciation, that shit is not even close

[@Likappa5353]

I swear i watched this video before.

[@vladeslaw92]

why haven't you used your estates to fix in issue with gov capacity?

[@therealzizmon1748]

He literally did, but each land rights gave him 1 (one) gov cap.

[@skanderbeg152]

The -99% modifier from the government applies to the privileges too

[@derekskelton4187]

With a stateless society you really need Infrastructure ideas to function. The privileges are a waste

[@David-bh7hs]

Playmaker learns how anarchy never works

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

Tbf there havent been more than a couple of serious attempts, and those were usually in the middle of major civil wars. We've never gotten a chance to see what it would look like without everything already being on fire.

[@artoriastheabysswalker]

The EZLN would like to have a word, or several

[@derekskelton4187]

@@Tom_Cruise_Missile There have have been a few small serious communes. They do okay until someone tries to kill them. Some more or less worked while protected by larger realms. They've proven pretty succinctly that generally functionality is totally doable.

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

@@derekskelton4187 yeah that was what i was saying. Basically every attempt was destroyed by outside forces. They were also all destroyed before they really had a chance to fully form, look at the Spanish civil war where they were attacked by both the Republicans and Nationalists for a good example of that.