States, "Half"-States, Territories or Trade Companies? What is Best? ✦ (SvTvT) Part 1: (Half)States!

A detailed Calculation and Consideration on States vs "Half"-States and when to use which.
✦ EU4 1.35 "Domination" ✦
Mods:
- Theatrum Orbis Terrarum for 1.30+
- The Great Exhibition
Chapters:
00:00 The Scenarios: Less States vs More "Half"-States
05:39 An Example (Manpower) on the Base Value
11:02 "Minumum Autonomy in Territories"
12:32 The Downside of "Half"-States
19:29 Conclusion on Buildings Value
21:35 Final Results
26:23 Other important Information to keep in Mind
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[@tonyvu3235]

guys come on you cant tell me half stating is better, clicking the core all button is way too nice not to use 😂

[@thestudentYT]

Trust me I also have serious issues with keeping away from the "core all" button :)

[@LemonCake101]

Its what I do instead of therapy

[@dennisb7863]

This is what I always "waited" for. Thanks !

[@wisdomball4584]

Half stating may be better but im never going back to manually clicking the core button for each province. That was a dark time.

[@combrade-t]

Big downside of half stating is no longer being able to click "core all" instead having to core via states or just clicking the ones with overextension. And Constant pop-up saying you can core stuff. Nice video to run through the calculations - I feel one thing that could also be important is fact autonomy changes trade power, so trade control could differ a decent amount, esp. in regards to trade centres etc. ..although makes it more complex calculations since you could always specifically full core the trade centres where relevant. If I recall the effect of autonomy is half on trade power so half stating loses you 25% trade power in a state whereas territories lose you 45%..

[@David-bh7hs]

Stateless society mfers be like: “what states?”

[@koaexe]

I've found that Minimum Autonomy in Territories is pretty easy to stack if your country is in the Eastern or Dharmic religion group. -5% from Decentralized Bureaucracy (even more reason to take it as Emperor of China because it also gives dev cost in a EoC mission reward) -5% from Regional Representation -10% from Great Project Imperial City of Hue (Eastern or Hindu w/ Buddha) or -15% from Harmandir Sahib (Dharmic) -10% from Full Expansion (some nice ideas in there and you may want to colonize to block off Russia or get into SE Asian trade) -20% from Fully powered Economic Hegemon And that's 0% autonomy in Half States, certainly easier than 0% autonomy in Territories. I guess it's kind of a moot point to worry about province output once you're Hegemon, but leaving that aside and having

[@backstein972]

Danke Bruder

[@janledvinkaxd]

Didn't know half states take only half gov cap, makes them an obvoous choice. The only downside aside from buildings that I see is state maintenance will be higher in the scenario B, can hurt if you are like Kilwa or Congo and everything is far, because of huge wastelands around your home area ( just move capital i guess though )

[@thestudentYT]

Maybe but in most singleplayer games Money is less of a Problem than Gov. Cap.

[@sasi5841]

Random question, is persia an end game tag?

[@thestudentYT]

No

[@vartosu11]

Full-stating is such a noob trap in this game. Many people full state simply because they see that "cores available" popup and they feel compelled to click 'em... only to run out of Gov cap before they even get 3/4ths of the way to Empire rank... First comes unifying culture group or accepted culture lands. Before you finish that unification or run into AE bottlenecks, there's few reasons to full-state, that is unless you also happen to have a surplus of admin mana(unlikely if you're also trying to unlock idea groups) and you're willing to lower autonomy in newly conquered and stated land to actually get a benefit from full-stating. The more you full-state, the fewer opportunities at "Show strength" wars vs weak rivals. Once you full state a bunch of stuff, you'll be forced to rival bigger countries and it won't be worth it anymore. Once you're a great power, you don't really need to full state, pretty much 'till the rest of the game. Half states offer insane flexibility to your governing capacity. If you're starting to go near gov cap limit, simply revoke some half states. Easy fix. You'll have plenty of money from trade income. Also having fewer full-states allows you to more cheaply tag switch, to stack insane modifiers.

[@David-bh7hs]

You should full state & reduce autonomy most times in the first 50 years to get your snowball started + reform progress, then you should chill

[@dakapo8985]

Heh even as a noob i only full-stated for RP-Racism reason. Get checked lol

[@LemonCake101]

Courthouses are your friend. Did a one tag one faith as the Mughals a couple patches back, full stated and full trade companied everything, never an issue with gov cap. The tools are there to deal with gov cap, use them!

[@MrThisissparta999]

Half stating is way overrated, unless you are going to cheese by doing several tag switches. Getting territory from conquest is actually quite expensive, and as such you should use the most out of the territories you conquer. Show strenght is also overhyped, as conquest increases your income, thus letting you afford higher level advisors. The real argument is that you probably should trade company the lands farther away from your empire. Also conquering just your culture group is really ineffectivve, you should in fact be blobbing in every direction there is easy territory, but especially for lands to trade from. I have done all the achievements, and TBH you should be full stating everything not in a trade company.

[@LemonCake101]

@@MrThisissparta999 eh, show strength is good when you are 2/3 provinces large and can dec it on OPMs/other small boys in multiplayer while still expanding. Its a greed play inherently, but not a bad one from the get go. This is multiplayer talking though, I basically never show strength in singleplayer, however 'basically never' is a good summary of my current singleplayer playtime too.

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

I wouldn't be able to use half states, even if it's more efficient. The notification banners and trying to figure out what needs to be cored and pressing the core button individually would annoy me.

[@thestudentYT]

I see...

[@timk8869]

i mean like 2 or 3 updates ago the core all button wasnt even there yet, so it would just be like reverting back a couple of updates

[@meemstar2333]

go to the coring menu, sort by overextension, click away

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

@@meemstar2333 I just started doing that in my current campaign. I had to half state because I want to switch tags a few times. It is not too bad actually.

[@justdoitlater9507]

could you go a little bit deeper in the way courthouses/town halls ,state houses, centralising states and the white house monument influences this. all of these reduce governing costs down to the minimum of 1%. If i have enough money for courthouses everywhere i try to have everything as half states. they give me 50% autonomy, while simultaniously only costing 25% governingcapacity. i would rather have 3x as many halfstates compared to full states.

[@thestudentYT]

Half States cost 50% Gov Cap. Though... or did you mean with Courthouses?

[@justdoitlater9507]

yes, with courthouses. 25% cost for halfstates and 75% for regular states. @@thestudentYT

[@dakapo8985]

Oh and this is for maximus the manpower yes? If you are going for those ducats, stating provinces in the node you are trying to monopolise should be the go to game as prod value in the node also adds up?

[@thestudentYT]

I am really sorry but I don't really understand what you mean... do you mean the autonomy effects?

[@dakapo8985]

@@thestudentYT I mean the general positive vs negative effects of stating vs half stating. This video and what you present focuses on only manpower correct? But if the focus was to maximise ducats, would it not be better to fullstate provinces that are in the node you are monopolising (100%) thanks to the stacking effect of trade goods (both from the trade node and the province itself)?

[@midnightfox6378]

what about trade companies

[@thestudentYT]

Comes next Episode on next Monday

[@gamgamesplayer4506]

Before watching the video, i must say that i believe that the right thing to do is estate everything in your subcontinent and trade company everything else. That makes you insanely rich and allows you to have less problems with gov cap

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

You don't TC fully, that's least profitable both money and capacity

[@gamgamesplayer4506]

@@Rosemarie_and_tomato How i don't TC fully? It easily gives me a merchant and all trade company improvements i build on estates affect all provinces giving me ridiculous trade power

[@aceylan2759]

⁠​⁠@@gamgamesplayer4506a lot of videos out there on it. you should only tc provinces with buffs(extra modifier,trade port etc.) because those non special provinces do not provide antthing more only tc'ing trade provinces will still get you a mercjant but you will use the other provinces to your advantage and have more free GC

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

@@gamgamesplayer4506 you pay more for capacity and lose goods produced bonus which applies only non-tc provinces of node You easily get a merchant by TC a state or two and lose up to 200% goods produced bonus

[@aluminiumknight4038]

I can get a merchant by only TCing the trade centers

[@CMVBrielman]

Whats a half state?

[@jlljlj6991]

A state where the provinces are not fully cored (using less government capacity at the cost of more autonomy).

[@ConFusi0n]

Where you core the provinces, add them to a state, but then don't pay the extra admin to turn them into full cores.

[@aluminiumknight4038]

Basically a bug

[@dakapo8985]

Yea i do like to watch while drinking a nice rum. How did you know?

[@thestudentYT]

Drinking and watching... That's almost perfect ;)

[@dakapo8985]

@@thestudentYT Almost?🤫

[@RandomGuy-qr5jw]

Dont know man, I never ran into real issues with governing capacity, even though I enjoy expanding. Always just from around Admin Tech 19 to Admin Tech 22, but thats fine. Thats around the point I slow down expanding and concentrate on development and culture conversion anyway. So I am not sure why I should do anything else but full-stating or TC-ing. But still, interesting to learn more about the mechanics, thank you :-)

[@David-bh7hs]

Governing capacity is my biggest bottleneck

[@sasi5841]

​@@David-bh7hsthis, it's what prevents me from achieving early world conquest (alongside lags and crashes)

[@gamgamesplayer4506]

"Enjoy expanding" doesn't mean u expand that much

[@carltonleboss]

​@@sasi5841Admin ideas are your friend

[@aluminiumknight4038]

Do you play muscovy? Muscovy gets insane expansion opportunities so you're guaranteed to run into govcap problems within 20 years