Steam Machine First Look! Zotac NEN SN970

[@NEAR_Photo]

Hey man, everyone needs a good cheese plate.

[@Bitwit]

+dachiefgaming fair point

[@lacking_garage]

+dachiefgaming Macbooks are much better for cheese plates

[@sfollows]

+Doctor Death Mac and Cheese anyone?

[@lacking_garage]

I'll take some lol

[@killerbeenl83]

+dachiefgaming Or it is just worlds most expensive coffee warmer ;)

[@1234garrett1993]

yes ive been waiting for a good steam machine review, good job beating most people to the punch kyle keep up the awesome videos

[@Bitwit]

+1234garrett1993 thanks man :]

[@1234garrett1993]

+Awesomesauce Network great review man, im definitely looking forward to seeing how the steam machines "evolve" too, im just not sure about them or the steam controller yet lol i think im just gonna wait it out and see how they turn out, really nice editing though man very professional

[@alecday3775]

+Awesomesauce Network There are a few other sticking points to the Steam Machines as well. One is that Valve is releasing a HUGE 14 of them (WAY TOO MANY if you'd ask me), its physical store section in select GameStop locations are laughably small, AND there is NO ONE there to help out console gamers who are looking to try PC gaming out for the first time (and that is what i heard that these SteamMacines are geared towards). I think there should have been 3 steam machines released, one cheaper option to represent a low-end budget PC, a little more expensive mid-rage option and a way more expensive high end option. Not 14 ranging from $400 o a WHOPPING $5000 for the Falcon Northwest model. 14 is way too many and way too much for a new PC gamer to grasp. Sorry for the wall of text but I had to get those sales problems out there to you. Keep up with the great videos man. I give your channel a 97/100 on the 100-point scale.

[@TheXBRGUY]

I've been saying it since the Steam Machine was announced...the problem with the Steam Machine's isn't even necessarily the fact that you're buying parts for more than they're worth...the problem is that it tries to blend PC's with Consoles, while conveniently forgetting the MOST IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PC AND CONSOLE! PC's require research for bang for your buck, console's don't. If the Steam Machine's only had a few variants, or if it all came from the same company, OR if it labeled it's differences to make it easy to understand the differences between the variants, it would be fine. But instead, multiple companies are making them, many, *MANY* variants are coming out, the differences between said variants aren't obvious to the general console market this is being made for. It makes no sense. The point of the Steam Machine was to make PC's compatible with a Console Gamer's life style. But they advertise them like they're selling them to a PC Gamer. P.S. right now there may not be many steam machines, but this is mainly talking about the problems with it in general.

[@maverick2377]

I don't think this steam machine is going to do well.

[@noahhounshel104]

+The Angry Little Alchemist Its more of something to allow Console users to get a feel for the power of a PC but still maintaining the console look.

[@TheXBRGUY]

Noah Hounshel But it doesn't make sense.

[@noahhounshel104]

The Angry Little Alchemist What do you mean? Its more powerful it has a good number of the PC games on it. and it has the appearance of a console. What about that doesn't appeal to a console gamer?

[@TheXBRGUY]

Noah Hounshel 1. It's more powerful, but so is almost every other PC on the market. 2. A lot of cases have a console look. 3. It has a confusing naming system, and a confusing market. There's so many steam machine's with different specs from different companies, you might as well study just a little bit harder and make your own PC.

[@Taiottavios]

I really hope they get some support shortly, I feel exactly as you are

[@Bwethhh]

"First time I ever had to shoot my way out of a preroll" haha that made me chuckle

[@JohnCBarbu]

i can't wait for more detailed benchmarks on this thing

[@nathanawesome10]

My Steam controller arrives in 2 days, can't wait!

[@Dosenwerfer]

7:50 I had to listen to this more than once :D

[@thefuckklay]

😊yeah me too

[@killerbeenl83]

+Dosenwerfer Ow thats why there is no price mentioned.

[@MattsPaddock]

Nice work as always! I was waiting for something different other than the Alienware Alpha to be reviewed! P.S. did you hold (07:05) the Steam controller on purpose so high to your head so it would fit in frame, cause it looks uncomfortable? :D

[@Bitwit]

+TekTick hahaha yes i did, astute observation ;)

[@MattsPaddock]

+Awesomesauce Network I know how that feels, everything for a perfect shoot! :D

[@kingnfs1]

S=Skylake N=Nvidia 970=960? Yeah seems legit, go on

[@TheAnoniemo]

+Cirno It's a 970m, but somewhere after naming it they decided a desktop 960 would be better for marketing. The only difference between the chips is their memory bus as far as i know.

[@kingnfs1]

TheAnoniemo Ohh I see, but cant they just renaming it back to SN960. My brain hates confusion.

[@TheAnoniemo]

It neems not. But who cares, it's the same thing.

[@Simon74]

+Cirno but thats 10 swag points less!

[@sadaki93]

+Cirno The gtx 960 would be pretty close to 980m though, it's a win.

[@DeadguyAi]

Steam does actually have a fps counter in settings, I think

[@tipidrinks9405]

The main thing I like about steam machines, is that it makes it look like prebuilt gaming machines may be turning around. These PC's are just a start, but it may be the beginning of the end of i7s, 32gb ram, and a gtx 745 for $1000.

[@ChiruYES]

I was looking for a new cheese plate! Thanks Kyle!

[@UlrikDrabls]

Honestly, perfect review. GJ Kyle

[@arturoluna475]

I subd when Kyle had around 60k subscribers... He's come a long way, gonna pass Paul's hardware soon! Get your game up Paul!

[@itsdeonlol]

Good job Zotac. This one looks pretty nice!

[@xNELVKALEN]

Love the low theme of hate on the steam controller xD

[@noahhounshel104]

For those of you who want some more information on the SteamOS I would suggest you take a look at Egee, He does all of his stuff currently on SteamOS and is great for learning some of the smaller stuff that you may or may not be familiar with. (His latest one is Making it to where it can play retro games and another good one is how to enable the desktop.

[@nishant1857]

07:10 3 NPCs , half life 3 confirmed.

[@zungiebungie6632]

Love your backround.

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

Thanks for the review!

[@SilverFox-sr1fu]

loved the video Kyle!

[@NerdBerd]

I would like to see the performance of this device with say Windows 10 installed and 16g ram with an SSD. If they can get the price lower than what I can build an HTPC for then this may be a solid recommendation to some of my clients. Nice video, man.

[@98suprafanatic11]

"It still looks better than any console. Though that's not saying much" Shots fired

[@almor619]

channel grows as shit ... still deserves way more subs

[@gandalf84]

I love how it's a SN970 but has a gtx 960

[@martijn627]

+Alex Meyer EXACLY

[@AlexRolandHuszar]

+Alex Meyer a 970m, but they decided to call it "desktop 960 class" for marketing reasons

[@noahhounshel104]

+Alex Meyer They changed the Gcard midway through but didn't change the name for-some-unexplained-reason.

[@AlexRolandHuszar]

Noah Hounshel they didn't change as their OEM gtx960's specs match the exact specs of the 970m

[@noahhounshel104]

***** ah.

[@niklasschwartzerd3847]

Good review, but you should've mentioned that you can configure how the controller works in-game (when talking about the bumpers in the back causing bunny-hopping). I'd also like to see some benchmarks for new games (e.g. Shadow of Mordor).

[@Kyosuke700]

in my opinion its probably worth getting if u have friends over thats about it and if ur gonna buy something off the store just buy a prepaid card instead of using ur debt card

[@BlackOrdinance]

This thing has potential. Had a feeling it was going to have annoying quirks upon release, but these are easy fixes...

[@oXide13]

now that steam OS 3.0 is out i'd like to get my hands on an updated model with the same skin as this.

[@Uwhm]

why does no reviewer actuslly mention the price of the shit they review? this thing is probably a 1000 dollars

[@Bitwit]

+thatdmnguy sorry, i didn't have the info at the time of filming and had to rush to get the video up in time before i leave for my honeymoon tomorrow. but the MSRP is $999. kinda pricey IMO.

[@theodorbutters141]

Almost double the price of a very similar pc....not worth it.

[@fetB]

+Theodor Butters Yea? Put one together in partspicker

[@Uwhm]

an i5 and 960 would probably be around 600-700 in the us

[@theodorbutters141]

+fetB pcpartpicker.com/p/dqgYxr 600$ with everything accept wireless ac and a small form factor

[@christophereasler8611]

where could I buy similar cases like that for an itx gaming build? looking for something for my first build and didn't want a box case lol

[@bassblaster505]

@Awesomesauce Network do you think there will be a steam box with a full desktop GTX 970 or even a 980 and a core i7 or a 8 core AMD FX chips?

[@yugoprowers]

I love the idea of Steam OS, especially for people who just game, and watch videos with there PC. My only hold back on switching from Windows to Steam OS is game compatibility, which only about half of the games I play are Steam OS ready. One day it may be a great alternative to Windows, but not yet for me.

[@lema_garage]

good job kyle! you are really great 😉

[@DDT2005]

Can one install and/or replace SteamOS with another OS? Looks like this might handle pfSense, for example.

[@omarosman4344]

You know a really good use for the internal USB port would be a high speed USB drive that's like 64GB for a game.

[@SteveL11]

I just plugged my PC into the 65inch TV, boom! DONE! Saved $500 buck

[@gregxcoree]

Thanks awesomesauce, Im just gonna upgrade the ol pc instead! r9 390 here I come!

[@EposVox]

Nice review! Weird that the XB360 controller didn't work with L4D2, since it works great with the game on regular PC play; last time I tried.

[@konradpeter9547]

For me it doesnt work either (regular PC, tried with Ubuntu and Windows). LFD2 is the only game i play with mouse and keyboard :D

[@EposVox]

Konrad Peter Huh, they must have patched it out at some point.

[@whovaintimelord]

+EposVox When it doesn't work for me,I go into the settings,disable gamepad,then I re enable it

[@AidanGieg]

Until more games support steamOS's linux environment I can't see a lot of people using steam machines

[@AidanGieg]

***** that's still not nearly as many as Windows supports. Until then, I doubt it'll take off.

[@CianMcsweeney]

also there are no exclusive games for the platform, all the games on steam OS are available on windows/consoles. Also if you also use your PC for work, windows just makes so much more sense as all major software supports it.

[@AidanGieg]

***** Yeah I was talking about AAA titles. Lots of Indie games won't run either. I'm fairly sure you can't install WINE on a Steam Machine though.

[@xpander69]

+Aidan Gieg yeah but think about the long term. consoles will last 1 generation then something new pops up and you have to buy new games.. with steambox you buy your games play then on steamos or windows and keep them.. 5 years later you upgrade your machines and still can play them

[@AidanGieg]

***** that's not the point there are LOTS of games that won't run in a linux environment even a lot of AAA games won't.

[@taylorprobets4661]

Zotac are my favourite brand

[@cybotive]

The SteamOS has to have a built in FPS counter. It's in the Steam client under overlay settings. This is still a PC, it's somewhere in settings.

[@MattGixxer]

Was rooting for the underdog, but it's still better building a small form factor pc.

[@noahpack7194]

Love it dude I want it so bad

[@jonathanh3632]

is that a metronome running in the background?

[@nishant1857]

Kyle, just for one video, try to stay as still as possible.

[@Granite]

It just seems unnecessary when we all have good PCs

[@Zytyx13]

+Granite I'd rather not slap my switch 810 next to my tv.

[@martijn627]

+ZyTech Same here with my Corsair 750D hahahaha

[@martijn627]

+Imperator Augustus Yup, the 900D is just a bit taller than the 750D with its under compartiment right?

[@martijn627]

Imperator Augustus Yeah lol, I was actually 'forced' to buy it last minute when I was upgrading to X99 since I didnt check if my 300R would be compatible with EATX (Asus Rampage V Extreme) which it wasnt, so me being Corsair fanboy immediately ordered the 750D because it looked clean, didn't imagine being so huge!

[@thiennguyen-th4pc]

Unless u got a terrible pc and you can't upgrade for some reason

[@JoeBotDJ]

simple question , can you turn this thing on without getting off the couch? ( ie via an IR remote or by powering on the controller?)

[@higifnr]

You have that problem with scrolling because you've set the aspect ration of your TV to 16:9 but it doesn't work with PC for some reason. Set it to "real" and it should be fixed.

[@cuddles.monster]

there are currently 1606 games supported on gnu/linux (steamos)

[@1ajgtwm]

Are we able to still use a 360 or XBONE controller and dongle. I am interested buying a steam box for my son until he is ready to build his own PC

[@danyala.1659]

I want a video on $500 steam machine vs. avg $500 gaming PC. Although, most gamers usually have a $2000 gaming rig.

[@Simon74]

compared to the first steam version this is heaven! ^^

[@KKYTChannel]

Just as a question, but can a mouse be plugged in and used instead of a Steam Controller? (Also for some odd reason the Zotac has disappeared from the Steam Store in my region)

[@brandonhoover1749]

I say this every time I see a steam machine but " this is a console on steroids"

[@Letsgetdusty]

Hi there, I'm just wondering how you customized your booting screen to say what it said? I'm assuming linux but do correct me if I'm wrong

[@crestgamez]

Id rather wait for a steam controller 2.. Also, I love how you fit in jokes every now and then!

[@martinluther3080]

Whats the name of that wireless adapter you used for the xbox controller? does it work with xbox one controllers?

[@slinacc]

You know that that thing is bad when it triggers a vietnam flashback 7:05

[@Maraksot78]

to quote @paulhardware on the last #Awesomehardware "It's raining NEN! Hallelujah!" XD lol!!!

[@dajjohnson3261]

5 minutes ago? that's when it was uploaded, some comments are 6 minutes ago.

[@jagsfanrick]

Think i won't be buying one anytime soon. Thanks for your honest take on it.

[@MarcelRobitaille]

That horizontal scroll thing is kind of weird. usually the kind of thing that's the websites fault but that's because usually you're using a consistent browser.

[@marky3609]

How much does this one cost and can you dual boot Windows on this and have it pre-installed?

[@seanlingham5254]

I did an approx. calculation. If you were to buy the individual parts for the specs of this thing and put it altogether, you'd spend approx. 770 (about 1045 SGD) dollars USD or so without OS license inclusive (for MS Windows). However, this package comes with one year to three year full warranty including RMA options and in some places, on-site support options (hence, the typical 900+ USD price tag). You'd have to do that individually for parts if you put it together (rag-tag) in any other part of the world. So since you can get MS Windows and put it on this just like any regular computer, i'd say this thing is worth a hell of a lot more than a cheese plate. If anyone is willing to part with one and is willing to sell it for less than it's value (as what many people here seem to be attributing to it), i'd be happy to take it off your hands for 30 dollars USD since that's what a cheese plate approx. costs on Amazon. Please message me if you're doing so. LOL. I'll even pay fully for the shipping to my end.

[@aironeous]

I bought a used one for $735 with an additional 8gb ram installed.

[@Darcnhife]

Wow, nice one man. That's something to consider.

[@12buffalowings]

I actually really like the steam controller.

[@LinuxMaster9]

Dude, you need to do a bit on exiting to the desktop and using it there. Or adding the GOG Linux games etc.

[@fl4kb74]

hey guys, just asking how this machine works is it like pc stream or just dependable one with its own games and no need for a pc , please i need an answer

[@Razear]

Wait, isn't there a built-in fps counter within the Steam settings?

[@Killbana]

i wish the Steam machines took over the console aspect

[@SpeedDemon-vf3dp]

I am your 570,000 subscriber :)

[@FERENG1]

can you install windows on the steam box (for those willing to spend the money), and do you think it would impede performance?

[@iguardwisconsinberry8830]

Since graphics driver updates are very important to a games performance. How do you update the drivers on a Steam OS machine?

[@wingracer1614]

Same way you do on PC. All this is is a tiny PC running Linux.

[@philip2260]

good review

[@HansFerreyra]

1:30 I don't know about that White Power led.

[@chachawillis1267]

I'm thinking about getting one should I get monitor or use a tv

[@joeymoreno4992]

Can you play games such as black ops 3, or fallout 4 on the steam machine. And how do I know which games are compatible for the steam machine on the steam store?

[@AUST1NOfficial]

For those of you wondering why Valve chose to use the linux based Steam OS, I think valve wanted to migrate away from Windows because of their whole "touch based Windows 8" move. Linux also gives them more freedom to change what they want about the OS.

[@InFAMOUSPS4_19]

The steam controller has a steep learning curve from what i've noticed. I am now able to play black ops 3 online multiplayer fairly well with it, but to get good with it you need to treat it as if you were playing an iOS/Android platform. what seems to be lacking in this controller though is that the touch pads work but the rest of the controller is not very ergonomically designed to house buttons from a 360 controller. I feel if they put more buttons on the back of the controller it would eliminate the use of the ABXY buttons on the front which would completely improve the gaming experience

[@shintopriestesskikyou5674]

When buying the steam machine, they should add an option for windows 10, for people who dont like the steam OS

[@nickmudd]

Can it run windows off an ssd or m.2 drive if you wanted to get off a linux based OS?

[@LeJimster]

I'm surprised how much hate Steam machines are getting from reading comments. I personally won't be buying one, but I fully support what they are doing because it means more games are ported to Linux. As a full time Linux user this is great. It'll also likely benefit Mac users too in the long run as porting teams often do both versions.

[@19Daantje98]

The name is Zotac NEN SN970, you would think it has a GTX970 in it, but no, a 960 :P

[@sksthumb4654]

I think I'm going to wait until steam os gets better

[@danielparziale1501]

For those of you who love the form factor but, aren't sold on SteamOS over Windows or other Linux distros, there is the Zotac EN970 - www.amazon.com/dp/B015AD1Q04/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_dq8pwbTCH4ZD2. Slightly weaker CPU but, is sufficient for a gaming rig, and you need to supply your own OS, RAM, and HD but, you it is cheaper and you can put Windows on it and still run Steam in big picture mode when you want.

[@d4nnyth3dog]

Is it possible to make the power button bigger?

[@CoolBrzBlu]

Any input on how this would compare to the Asus ROG, or how hard it is to set this pc up to dual boot, with windows and steam?

[@CocoaNutCakery]

The beta boxes had it locked to where "high" settings on Steam boxes were more along the lines of low to medium on a PC in order to mask inefficiency issues (see: Corey Nelson's videos). I don't suppose anyone knows if that changed?

[@benpape498]

Just so you know, left 4 dead 2 does support Xbox controllers but you have to enable it in the options menu :D

[@jamesmonk28]

+Ben Pape and the joysticks wont work without the console command.

[@Bitwit]

+James Monk Ty for pointing this out. Updated annotation.

[@venettore3601]

Lol, I saw CultOfMush when you were scrolling down

[@sonigokuu]

Dual-boot with Windows is the only thing that MIGHT make me buy a Steam Machine.

[@thebigstonicfonic]

It's a shame you can only get the NeN on the US Amazon. Oh well, hooking up my laptop will still have to do.

[@aneciotorres5388]

"it helps me a lot" -awesomesaucenetwork November 8th 2015

[@shuuter2711]

that steam machine is nice

[@gamebros8424]

is there a way to find out what games are compatible with the steam machines? like can i play GTA 5 with this console?

[@LETHALF90]

Where's the all white build at?

[@spanaker]

So Long story short, u can play your steam games on the steam machine?

[@iWillAvert]

Good thing for me that I don't really care whether I'm at a desk or my couch for gaming, because I would be disappointed in the price of this. I have a wish list on Newegg for a PC I will be building soon, $700 for the same specs, but an SSD instead of an HDD, and an R9 380 4GB instead of a GTX 960, going into a Define S case (not crazy small, but not ridiculously big either). Same/better specs for $300 less.

[@Lilkaiokaio]

is the box upgradeable?