Are Steam Machine Game Consoles Worth it?

[@EpicB]

Now that the Steam Deck is our I kind of want to see Valve try the Steam Machine idea again.

[@ryandemboski6313]

I agree, if they made it quite a bit more powerful than the steam deck and used the new Steam OS while also having a desktop mode, that would be so cool

[@blendpinexus1416]

just do an all amd mitx build and grab a steam os 3.0 build

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

While I would love to see Valve explore the Steam Machine concept again, I think Valve needs to further iterate SteamOS first. While SteamOS 3.4.x is undeniably better than the original SteamOS, and some of the complaints in this video were addressed, some of them have not been. I think a big part of why the Steam Deck is proving to be more successful than the Steam Machine is because the hardware gimmick (I say with all due love) sufficiently differentiates itself from a normal console and normal PC and thus justifies itself more because of it. At this stage I think Valve should focus on the Steam Deck and getting its teething issues ironed out. Once they do that (most likely by the second iteration of the Steam Deck) then I think the stage will be set to revisit the Steam Machine.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

@@blendpinexus1416 *"just do an all amd mitx build and grab a steam os 3.0 build"* Except you're missing the whole point of the Steam Machine to begin with.

[@blendpinexus1416]

@@pieceofschmidtgamer well steam isn't offering a modern steam machine. so that's my take.

[@larock0wns]

Excellent review. I was worried when the video started out that the box was given to you by Dell, that you hold back the negative comments but you pulled no punches. That's awesome

[@LinusTechTips]

Most of our hardware is provided by the manufacturer. It's never affected what we have to say about it.

[@dorupero]

+LinusTechTips Like a boss.

[@VicViperXxXxX]

+LinusTechTips And this is why you get Mad respect. thank you for every review you do.

[@adamhaughton561]

+LinusTechTips do you get to keep the shit you get?

[@MaximaToluene]

+Project Gaming afaik. sometimes yes sometimes the manufacturer asks them back (especially after a bad review. jk.)

[@heyitsbaku]

coming back to this after his early impressions of the steam deck. valve REALLY did a fantastic job with the deck, it seems. super excited for it, and very happy to see they're not making the same mistakes they did with these weird-ass hybrids.

[@Satwix]

im using the alienware alpha currently and i find this video somewhat offensive...

[@EpicB]

Given the obvious comparisons between the Steam Deck and the Switch, the Steam Machine was basically Valve's Wii U. At a glance, I think one of the issues about the Steam Machine was that it appealed to a niche that didn't really exist. The user experience looks unpolished compared to a more traditional console and given that Proton didn't exist yet the amount of Steam games you could even run on this thing would have been much more limited, something not everyone might realize. Given the success of the Steam Deck I wonder if Valve will give the Steam Machine idea another try.

[@redderthanmisty6762]

@@EpicB I hear their next product is going to be another vr headset, this time to compete with meta quest. As for steam machine, I think that's what the upcoming dock is supposed to address, similar to how the nintendo switch utilises a dock to turn from a handheld prtable into a tv console. After all, from using a cheapo usb hub to output to a tv, the UI definitely scales appropraitely and works well as a console for me, but is defenitely a messy solution for now.

[@ChriSaito]

God, I remember buying the windows version of the Alpha back in 2014/2015. I had just started my new post high school job at Walmart and was getting way more hours. I saw this little machine at my store for $400 or so, and went with my girlfriend at the time to spend my whole check on it. My parents were out of town so I she was staying at my house and I remember her falling asleep on the couch while I was playing with my first ever gaming capable PC. That weekend and beyond facilitated a lot of PC gaming fun, and I held onto that thing for years. It was so compact I could take it anywhere with a screen (and frequently did) and I even had my first VR experiences on it (luckily low frame rates don't make me motion sick). I had so many good memories with this thing. It kills me that I sold it to help pay for my current build. I wish I had kept that little box of memories. It wasn't just an underpowered gaming PC to me, it represents some of the best memories I have to this day. I'll never forget you Alienware Alpha.

[@iihamed711]

This is why I’m never selling my PS4.

[@ryandemboski6313]

Don’t worry man. Having the console back wouldn’t do anything. It’s the memories that will always stick with you :)

[@dustojnikhummer]

Really? With a 960m?

[@CuteTransGirlxD]

awesome I'm glad you had positive memories to remember.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

well any object can have good memories, so it’s not the object that’s important

[@tim_goll]

What a great time to watch those old videos again

[@xersys]

If you're seeing this in 2018 or later; the "steam machines" come with windows. It's called an Alienware Alpha. No more trying to find linux compatible games.

[@PearComputingDevices]

Xersys maybe some of us like that challenge vs the "Windows experience"

[@narwhal4304]

@@PearComputingDevices Well then you probably shouldn't buy a Steam Machine, you'd build your own PC, put whatever Linux distro you wanted, and run Steam in big picture mode. Thus, the Steam machines are still not worth it.

[@PearComputingDevices]

@@narwhal4304 absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree.

[@djdougiefresh4478]

Thats what i was saying, thank you. But it was available before, it was hard to get to, I originally only used the pc side to play games and stream shows to KZbin and Twitch. Still do...

[@tommybthe4th]

they dont exist anymore

[@krushangangurde2308]

at 8:07 "buy me FO4 for sex"

[@farn0153]

xD

[@14supersonic]

Damn dude, if he wanted it that bad its so easy to just get a game off the internet these days without buying, and he can avoid std's while he is at it. XD

[@cakelesscoder9562]

+14supersonic but then wouldn't his right hand be getting it for him (mouse hand)?........

[@Al3xTrucho20]

+krus gangurde good eye lol

[@Thecawesomeone]

+14supersonic He prefers sexual infections rather than computer infections.

[@EssenceofLuna]

still better than my PC :/

[@hassanhaq3570]

It doesn't run Windows though

[@hassanhaq3570]

Nevermind actually

[@keithbyrd8121]

im out of data so cant watch the video lol, is this a computer?

[@hassanhaq3570]

Abhisek Shrestha Fake and gay

[@kamez1049]

+Abhisek Shrestha gake and fay

[@cigarobsession]

I'll stick to Windows :)

[@Zetaretiiculi]

+cigarobsession Me too, however steam os / linux could be big in future. I mean look at steam back in 2003, pretty much everyone disliked it, but look at it now...

[@jeanjio]

+P3rttiz in 10 years it will be the default game platform... let's start waiting XD

[@LordGangrel]

+P3rttiz Sure, it will probably be, eventually, but as far as I can see, being an early adopter won't give you anything but questionable bragging rights.

[@coblade14]

+P3rttiz I don't see people switching from Windows to Linux unless a future version of Windows literally bans games. Why switch when windows is perfectly fine for the vast majority of gamers?

[@BrittYazel]

+coblade14 Perhaps Linux offers a more enjoyable user experience than Windows to certain people. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I take a fps hit in games to have a interface and platform that better fits my workflow

[@EposVox]

"His presence on Earth raises many questions" - Dare I ask?

[@justanamericanspy163]

How has no one replyed to this it’s been 5nyears

[@DisappointedScrosh]

I bought an i3 alpha in 2015 for $399 from Walmart. It was my first “gaming pc” and was actually a pretty great way to get into pc gaming. I have since built a much more powerful pc, but still appreciate the alpha for making it easy for me to get into pc gaming

[@bakedsauerkraut8571]

do you still have the steam machine? do you want to sell it?

[@DisappointedScrosh]

@@bakedsauerkraut8571 I wish. Sold it to a friend that needed a cheap gaming PC. He was still using it last I talked to him.

[@FinnLovesFP]

@@DisappointedScroshThe Steam Machine idea still lives on for me. Got my own steam machine on my TV with my steam controller. Hope these make a proper return some day with the same ideas as the deck.

[@BeefIngot]

Essentially the same conclusion everyone sensible has said from the start. The concept is flawed. I dont even know why they green lit it.

[@Ignas359]

The concept itself is good, it's the execution that's flawed.

[@Smeltz247]

also valve is doing the same thing that the CDI did having other components make the hardwar wich failed hard.

[@walkinmn]

The concept was good, and when they started, i thought that steam was going to build an amazing platform for converting a pc into a great gaming vonsole and smart tv platform, then they showed an OS very ubuntu like with a simpler steam client and i was like :/

[@flukshun]

+Beef Ingot the concept is about as sound as it gets (PC games in your living rooms). The execution needs work. Keep in mind 3 years from now we'll be on the 3rd or so iteration of Steam machines, while ps4 and xb1 will be exactly as they exist today.

[@Azathoth43]

+flukshun So you need to buy a new Steam Machine every year? That's a hell of an advantage over other consoles.

[@SirCrest]

2:20. Woah what happened. Edit: Probably the best review you guys have done.

[@EposVox]

+SirCrest lolol

[@epicgammer100]

+EposVox you're verified so u must be famous

[@TomandJareeftw]

+SirCrest HE STATED CRACK IN THE BEGINNING THAT IT'S "NOT A REVIEW" u sir, r a thug

[@SirCrest]

Tom and Jaree :p

[@xxMAGnaniMOxx]

2019 steamplay added so nearly 50%+ of all windows titles that are on the steam store also play on the SteamOs. I honestly hope Valve tries again. atleast with a operating system update/release.

[@azarilh2355]

That's what i think they're gonna do when Proton will be ready.

[@sambarringer2862]

@@azarilh2355 Once BattlEye and Easy Anti-Cheat are working they will I reckon. Also more games like RDR2.

[@CreatorPolar]

And now we have the Steam Deck

[@sirlimonada2]

steam deck: bonjour

[@swissori2580]

Predicted the steam deck

[@AlvaroArturoNunez]

Linus, would you not say that Linux has a future in gaming though? Does it not make more sense for OEMs to stop their dependency on Windows and run on a popular open source OS? There for then leading more developers and graphics card manufacturers to Linux? I think the point of Steam OS was to create a movement, a movement away from Windows dependency and lead developers into a more free and open software environment. Or am I wrong?

[@BrittYazel]

+Al2leKill You aren't wrong.

[@nachik09]

+Al2leKill Not till Vulkan comes out and is tried, tested and performs at least as well as DX12 and AMD and NVIDIA optimize for it.

[@aakashkhatu9431]

+Al2leKill if you think of it like this, android is linux based ... android is a better gaming platform ... linux wins lol

[@nachik09]

+Aakash khatu Android wouldn't be very good performance wise

[@zonkel]

+Al2leKill you are absolutely right. but that's not the point of the review. if you want to "star a movement" towards linux, you can't just throw out dodgy stuff like this. in addition to all the issues linues has mentioned, it also performs like crap compared to win 7/10 (on proper gaming hardware, of course). add to this how badly implemented it is on a steam machine just, it makes people not even want to consider linux as a gaming OS. so if anything, the steam boxes and team OS have so far done the exact opposite of what you are saying...

[@FATFATTY2BY4]

I listened to this video once while tired at my desk, fell asleep and woke up in the middle of the Siberian wilderness, bare chested, and fighting seventeen grizzly bears, I actually won the fight and earned the grizzly's respect, we are now all very good friends, shoot pool and drink vodka together regularly, videos can be a powerful influence, thanks Linus!

[@dankninja9434]

the other bears clapped when u beat him right?

[@dylanpotato8739]

fatfatty what is this story ??

[@DMessham]

Ok

[@piu-d1574]

Bears drinkin and playin?reminds me of that painting of dogs playin poker 😊

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

There aren't enough people like you in the world, nuff said.

[@FinnishDude]

never been this quick to watch ltt video, life complete :)

[@thelennipede9382]

+FinnishDude Agreed.

[@Metrallata]

5:27 i thought this was the end of the video and an ad was coming

[@mike-0451]

OOOOOHHHHHH YEEEEAAAHH

[@michaelmoretti9012]

So did I

[@Nightstalkercod]

The limitations when it comes to non-gaming functions is an interesting, and often forgotten, point. Gaming consoles are used for much more than just gaming nowadays; they are essentially all in one entertainment systems. Frankly the fact that Steam OS doesn't support apps such as Netflix is a major detractor, especially if it's trying to compete with Sony or Microsoft.

[@Kart3333]

+Peter Tutykhin Is non-gaming functions that important? Xbox One has much more function than a PS4 and sold a lot less! If people want to watch netflix on a TV they already have a smartTV, chromecast, setup box or a console that support it. I understand that convenience is the best way to keep the consumer in one platform but for a gaming system i don't think it's important

[@hauptmann25]

+Zetta It didnt sell alot les in the US, the only place those extra functions work properly. Maybe if they did in the rest of the world it would make a difference.

[@cokepack4030]

You can use linux to watch netflix.

[@flukshun]

+Peter Tutykhin interesting point...if Steam machines could also provide Android TV functionality like the Nvidia Shield that would be really nice. Even more games, and media functionality that actually gives it an edge over Windows build... Not sure Android TV on x86 is a thing though. But that would be killer.

[@DrearierSpider1]

+Zetta But the functions the PS4 does have (Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc.) are more than enough for most users. Hell, the Xbone's biggest feature selling points were the Kinect (which is all but dead and consumers saw through that gimmick immediately) and TV/DVR integration (which is rapidly dying at this point).

[@ajaybharadwaj7454]

linus looks like a young micheal bolton

[@ConflictNerd]

+Ajay Bharadwaj Holy shit...

[@Angel-HC]

+Ajay Bharadwaj He should make a video destroying that router he's been struggling with in the middle of a field with a baseball bat.

[@bill52600]

+Angel Christov don't forget to do it in slow motion

[@BNAU]

+Ajay Bharadwaj When he's sick he sounds like one too

[@internziko]

lol

[@niceguy7270]

Wow this hack is crazy hope you guys get all your videos back. ❤

[@PyroBlock]

there aren't enough people justifying linux to linus in the comments

[@beanacomputer]

+LNGA far from technically true, but the rest of the benefits are irrelevant for the vast majority of users... so effectively true, rofl

[@BigDippas]

and the market for this hardware is slim, so slim it's almost non-existent

[@BrittYazel]

+LNGA well this video was specific to SteamOS. The greater Linux ecosystem has tons to offer, mainly of which being an arguably better user experience with Gnome or KDE, customization, stability, and tons of transparency.

[@Siphonay]

I'm à Linux user and lover for years now. And I can safely say : Linux will never be a good choice over Windows for gaming use. Even X, the display system, is an old and heavy bunch of crap... There's a whole lot of cases where Linux is better than Windows. But for a gaming experience, it simply isn't.

[@PyroBlock]

+jamesassbag the joke went over your head

[@sibenikkk]

It's like saying whats the point in recycling ? It's harder to do, why bother doing it? Valve knows what it's doing and why, microsoft had one too many bad decisions so they wanted independence in a way. It would be nice if you, as a channel with a quite a number of followers, would at least mention it or support opensource and valve's linux leap at least in that fashion. Guess it's too much to ask

[@LinusTechTips]

I don't understand what you're saying?

[@furrydaus]

+LinusTechTips I think he's saying that you're making steam machines look bad because of valves decision of going with Linux and that you should complement valve for doing so but has a long way to go to improve it somewhat. that's all I can make up from his statement lol

[@luissamper1974]

+LinusTechTips Linus Army? I don't understand either

[@BrittYazel]

+LinusTechTips I think he is arguing that supporting Linux and opensource is akin to recycling, in that it may be harder to do, but it is better for everyone overall. While I think your review was fair Linus, a heck of a lot of people seem to question the validity of the existence of SteamOS and Linux, as if it needs to be the best or immediately useful to warrant itself. Which is not necessarily a wrong train of thought, but then again, the Canucks don't have to argue their reason for existing as a team just because they can't beat the Maple Leafs head to head ;-) #canadianlogic

[@furrydaus]

+Britt Yazel For the first part, I sort of agree. maybe OP can clarify lol

[@47coffee]

Would be a good segue into an ad sponser for "Best Data and Video Recovery Tool of 2023"... Just sayin'!

[@CM-iz5ny]

so basically they took the shittyest aspects of the PC and made it into an overpriced console..

[@Roblomix]

Dude Suh its Alienware so what DO you expect

[@JD_Mortal]

They took Linus' budget gaming-PC and built it into a production unit...

[@lesbianwalrus]

Yep, the worst of both worlds. When companies release products like this, it's hard to take them seriously.

[@prestonak]

danny boy yeah lol

[@hanro50]

What is going on at valve It seems that their idea team list looks like the following: Professional Cabin Smart person who has the community at heart The realist that perfectionist That inexperienced idiot who thought ending half life 2 episode 2 on a cliff hanger, buffing the phlog and creating cs:go sprays that only have 50 uses were a good ideas

[@titodick3694]

And the inexperienced idiot is in charge

[@the0elite]

Hanro Lareman Retweet about the phlog buff. That shit made me rage quit multiple times.

[@jean-marcfueri6678]

I can change the color of the Alienware logo? Wow I'm sold.

[@20dka]

Inb4 linus just wanted more exposure on these old videos

[@ProtoMario]

The volume issue is a complete bullshit, I not only used one of these but checked some other viewers videos. If you run this thing under a serious load and play demanding games it sounds like a fucking Jet engine. That is not good.

[@O26.]

but proto..... Idk I just wanted to say that 😂 plus I love your Pokemon theories so I had to

[@Moshimulations]

ProtoMario it will not effect u if u have headset u will be fine it is normal

[@gamerageandhobbyrcdu]

But proto

[@Xnerdz1]

I found a simpler solution to play steam games in my living room, since I'm lucky enough that my PC room is just next to the living room. I passed a 15' HDMI cable and a 15' USB hub cable from my PC room to the living room. I then installed a cheap keyboard and mouse there to control the PC, plus a Xbox controller dongle. Under a 100$ operation and I have everything I want from my PC, in my living room.

[@Tayted]

Love the Linus getting hacked premium content

[@gchristnacht]

For real

[@EposVox]

"SteamOS has NOTHING that doesn't run on the core Steam client" - while I see where you're coming from w/ the Halo and Xbox example, one of the core tenets of PC gaming is that we don't want platform exclusives. SteamBox is the opposite - ANYTHING can run on PC and now a console (well, as support develops). A SteamBox exclusive would be HUGELY polarizing and problemmatic for the community. The rest of the points are decent.

[@CodyTheWolfdog]

Looking back at the whole Steam Machine concept with hindsight, there was definitely potential. But the hardware & software just weren't there yet. 1: Game compatibility with Linux was lackluster aside from various indie games, and the Linux ports that did exist were notoriously buggy. 2. The Steam Controller itself was incredibly powerful and versatile, especially for FPS & Strategy games! But the lack of a 2nd joystick proper d-pad killed it for mainstream gamers. Steam Input later added support for Playstation and Nintendo controllers so that gamers could use the touchpads of the DualShock 4 & Dualsense and the gyroscope on the Switch controllers. 3. The Steam Deck learned from the mistakes of the Steam Machines. Steam Input later added support for Playstation and Nintendo controllers so that gamers could use the touchpads of the DualShock 4 & Dualsense and the gyroscope on the Switch controllers. Valve even solved the Linux compatibility dilemma with the Proton compatibility layer, overhauled their Big Picture UI, and it's been leaked that they're are working on a standalone Deck controller for release sometime in 2025. I'm really excited and hopeful that Steam Machines can succeed again.

[@Stephen.Bingham]

I think this review is rather out of date. Both of the bugs mentioned by Linus - the keyboard issue and the library search issue - have already been fixed. I think it is unfair to review a product running beta testing software without making allowance for that. The real question is would a customer purchasing the product today experience these problems? As far as I can see they wouldn't so what's the point in mentioning them?

[@GunslingerKenung]

+Stephen Bingham Well that's like saying when you bought your car from the dealership and as soon as you drove it off the lot the tires wobbled, the steering wheel went far left and only one windshield wiper worked. Sure, when you then took it back and they fixed the car you no longer have those problems but having those problems should still be mentioned. For the audience these consoles are aimed at the problems it had would be a huge turn off. Most console people want their console to turn on and dive into their games if they want to browse games they can play they want to easily see that. The review is of where steam said OK our product ready for review. You can't then be like JK wait let us fix those problems first. Also that's OS's for you they change,update and adapt quickly and info tends to get outdated.

[@Stephen.Bingham]

+Kensung I don't think you have understood the situation. Valve/Dell sent out review units of these machines weeks ago. I presume that Linus received one of these. They were running a beta-testing version of the system software - SteamOS. The final version of SteamOS was only released a few days before they were made available to the general public - about 7 days ago. Is it not obvious that beta-testing software will have a few bugs? That's the whole point of a beta-testing programme. What's important is whether or not the customers who actually buy these devices will experience these problems. If the bugs have been fixed, why should anyone care?

[@TheNnnnnnnnnnkkkkkkk]

+Stephen Bingham well then blame valve and dell for releasing review units with unfinished software, what was Linus to do, sit on his hands until the final software relase....

[@Stephen.Bingham]

+Pedro Bretones, it is perfectly normal for companies to release "preview" versions of tech items for review. Other reviewers seemed to have no difficulty understanding that this was beta software. I believe that it is normal for companies to provide briefing notes for the reviewers. Perhaps Linus simply didn't read them.

[@deenycest10710]

+Stephen Bingham You have a point. If that was the case, perhaps Linus should have mentioned it in the review. He did not. Maybe Linus is anti valve or Linux? I think not. Are there any reviews out there with the "final" and fixed version of steam os? If so, have other problems like user experience issues, specifically exclusive content been addressed? And for the money, will I be able to use this as a pc? How difficult is the learning curve if that is the case? Because to move a pc into the living room and provide a console experience, it should be a seamless straight forward process to access any and all features. Otherwise, why did valve even vie for the living room space? Is there another agenda here? Or two? Please for the love of all that is good, explain this to me!

[@theironduke981]

If valve wanted to sell more steamboxes, they'd release half life 3 on it.

[@UrbanChaos20]

They should have used their money and time to work on Half-Life 3. That's what you get Valve, for not working ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS!

[@andrewdorcas337]

+Urban Chaos 2.0 Most likely they are waiting for the next leap in tech to use in the game. Think of it, HL1 introduced better 3D graphics, HL2 introduced the new physics engine. Wait until virtual reality is available more, as I guess that is what HL3 will focus on.

[@madjunir]

+Andrew Dorcas Also they are waiting for Vulkan (aka mantle 2.0) now that the dx11 gen is ending. This will also make steam machines more console like optimized and bring a ton of ports over to steamOS in the future.

[@matt1267]

+Urban Chaos 2.0 valve didnt work on this or the controller or the gui. It was a completely different team that is outsourced by alien ware. Steam OS was actually a gui based on the compatibility of the alienware console with an average 360 controller. The gui was made about 4 years ago. The controller was designed also by that same team that dell had working on the alienware console. granted all work was dont in house and in valves workshop but this was for secrecy.

[@derklempner]

+Urban Chaos 2.0, maybe that'll be what pushes SteamOS and Steam Machines into the spotlight: a game exclusive that everyone has been waiting for. Would Steam Machine sales increase if they had an exclusive game like HL3?

[@andrewdorcas337]

derklempner Interesting thought, that would most likely raise sales.

[@flippy9133]

i love my steam controller, its so good, i dont know what is everybody complaining about

[@flippy9133]

+Sawier but i agree that the steam machine is stupid idea, they should stick with just link and controller

[@michaelqt]

+Dyinobal I use a ps4 controller on link, its great

[@flukshun]

+Sawier and even fans have yet to really put motion-based aiming to good use. it's so natural... can't believe consoles haven't added this basic feature yet.

[@aironi1]

+flukshun well nintendo's Splatoon has motion aiming.

[@giin97]

+flukshun they probably haven't implemented it because most gamers can't be bothered to lift the controller from their crotch. That, and moving a controller around while gaming is annoying. I just want to get comfortable and sit motionless for a couple hours why my fingers do the work. The more I have to move, the more removed I am from the game world. I don't want to be me moving, I want to be Master Chief, or Lara Croft.

[@albb0920]

I, as a linux user, thinks this video is more fair than I thought it would be. Android is Linux, PS3/PS4/iOS/Apple TV is based on FreeBSD. I don't see why linux supporter would actually be angry on comments linus made. Platform choice isn't really revalent, it's how valve deliver their product and market it.

[@djinnsmith6407]

You are right and I agree with you. The software still needs fine-tuning for that great out of box experience that everyone is looking for. .... Linux is the gaming future. He even said he loved the android one and android is based off Linux. I thought he would know that by being a tech show and all.

[@Antifa850]

+Nyap ya keep dreaming linux fangirl already said that for almost 10 year

[@Jsteeezz]

Who’s here after they announced the steam deck!

[@blackwingz55]

me

[@dysterus2473]

Hello there

[@Satwix]

ive been here when the video came OUT. still using this machine.

[@ItzRetz]

Ahh, Linus... There actually already is a filter for your operating system... if you hover over the "Games" tab in the store, then at the very bottom it has: "Browse by platform: Mac OS X SteamOS + Linux"

[@jeffcummings3842]

I can see the next generation of this, following a lot of Linus' suggestions (or list of complaints) and making it great in the future. Excellent review.

[@Hamox]

Yup the next generation is beautiful

[@zeusdeegoose]

Aged gracefully :)

[@javiereduardoruiz1244]

This is the first video that I see in this channel and I'm asking myself: "How's that I didn't founded you earlier?" Man, you have such a nice opinion about this topics that I'm totally sure that if I'm not agree with what you say I'll still learn something from your videos... So, I think you earned a new subscriber! :D

[@amusix8386]

I'll be fully honest, Steam Machines are really not worth it. Either get a PC or a Console. Or why not both.

[@electricant55]

+Amusix "why not both" because you could use that money to get better PC. Or other more useful things, like coke and hookers.

[@AlexusDelphi]

+Amusix That's what I did. A couple years ago I bought a PS3 and built a PC. I always have something to play thanks to the backwards compatibility of both systems.

[@beanacomputer]

+Rafał Sobczyk I like the way you think

[@timothydinkledik8591]

+Rafał Sobczyk I like your style, friend.

[@amusix8386]

Personally I think the only reason to get a Console is Racing Games, multiplayer games and exclusives. That's it.

[@Vykori]

3:59 wtf do you mean "it has no underscore"? you press the shift key, then what used to be the dash key turns into an underscore key. just like a normal keyboard, dude. also, not only does it have two tilde keys, it has two forward slashes, and two backward slashes as well :P however, it's not missing anything from a normal keyboard.

[@propositionjoe499]

Im still using a 1st gen alienware alpha as my main HTPC in 2024. It ended up launching with Windows instead of linux. Its buggy, but keeps on chugging along. I havent been able to upgrade it to Windows 11 yet. Fantastic HTPC though, better than streaming games, access to my steam library, tiny form factor, older games and less demanding indie games run fine.

[@blaice7365]

That wii hilbilly couple killed me. Love it.

[@keviniriarte4677]

" waving a weird dildo around " lmfao

[@nO_d3N1AL]

Just wanna say I've had my Alpha since February 2015 and it's definitely way more capable than you might expect. I went for the i5 model, replaced the HDD with an SSD and it's very quiet and runs apps and games really well. Highly impressed given the form factor and pricing. Though I think as a Steam machine it's not great value because you're paying the same price but not getting Windows with it.

[@TRAV1NATOR]

i agree. i have the one that came with windows. And i put windows 10 on it upgraded the ram. And play most games that i throw at it. Im actually really happy with mine.

[@michiplays00]

+Tutbrushy Tutbrus awwww did you have a bad day? Did your mom not make you your mac and cheese?

[@jaizzss4712]

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[@yunyizhe]

The sad thing is you could get a windows pc and boot straight into big picture mode and it is better since it can run the windows compatible games....

[@JohnnyThund3r]

I really wish Valve would just fix their U.I. already. That should have been a priority I think. It's an even bigger priority now with Steam Proton.

[@Briggie]

You could also get a Nvidia shield TV box and use GeForce now with it and it would blow this thing out of the water.

[@heinzpeter8264]

Seriously, don't you clean your stuff before filming it? This looks terrible with all the dust on it

[@LinusTechTips]

Of course we do, so that should give you some idea of what a dust magnet this (and any glossy plastic surface) is

[@coldsoup49]

de_stroyed

[@WetPig]

+LinusTechTips that linus heit!!$@%@!@

[@Trucktore]

Rekt

[@nikoyochum6974]

+coldsoup49 that should be a map..

[@13sinister]

It's basically a severely crippled console/PC hybrid. Seriously, WTF were they thinking?

[@comatoseenigma9200]

ive been watching alot of Linus's videos lately.. and i have to say.. youre awesome linus. keep it up 👍

[@amusix8386]

Is a Steam Machine part of the PC Master Race or the Console Peasents?

[@zeratir7873]

+Amusix steam machine... fairly sure thats something far back in the past...

[@Persephone_]

+zchr Steam Machine*

[@michaelmargono]

+Amusix failed baby of both

[@xXBedaXx]

+Amusix That's an easy one: Does steam require 60 bucks a year to play online and calls it a feature? I mean sure, it has it's limitations, but the playerbase isn't getting needlessly shafted...yet.

[@xzst]

+Amusix Worst of both worlds.

[@3lem3ntDante1999]

Linus trying new tech tips he found online ☠️

[@AgencyNighthawk]

This is why I got the Alpha instead and loaded it with 7 and an SSD. Throw on an external blu-ray drive and a cheap logitech wireless mk set and bam, you've got yourself a full-featured entertainment hub and respectable lanbox.

[@ploschi1]

Holy crap... Why should anyone buy a Steam Machine if they could simply build or buy a small-formfactor gaming pc with Windows on it and launch BigPicure mode? - Upgradeability - Windows - Probably price

[@hkoizumi3134]

FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone Linus mentioned it is marketed for curious console gamer with disposable income.

[@ploschi1]

H Koizumi probably *stupid curious console gamer with disposable income

[@djinnsmith6407]

Prebuilt and convenience. Just like why would anyone go to 7-Eleven and buy milk for 100 times more when they could go to the grocery store. Windows 10 has built in adobe flash that can't be uninstalled. Mac and Lenix does not pre-install flash and make it impossible for you to remove

[@leeneighoff7899]

+FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone You would be perfectly right for anything over $400. Below that, though, the used/refurbished Alienware Alpha market dominates. You can pick up a refurbished Alpha for less than $400, which includes Windows and an Xbox controller with dongle. A compact system with an i3, a mobile 750 Ti, an Xbox controller, and a copy of Windows for less than $400? Sign me up!

[@rambow70]

+FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone This is just a Barebones pc with a dedicated OS or controller. Look at the gygabyte brix, intel nuc (iris version), or the msi cubi. Same things with the same upgrade potential as a this steam machine. They are expensive, don't play game great, great little computers, VERY low TDP, and mostly loud! Oh and as expensive as a full on build ha. It's just fun to play with. Built one for my mom with a celeron quad core, ssd, 4gb memory, win 7, and she loves how tiny it is. Only cost $230 dollars after tax too! Got mid 6's in windows performance score besides graphics got 5.2 ha. It was the celeron version and she just checks email. But only 10 watt TDP, boots in 8 sec, and mounts behind her screen! They all have their place :) some just cost a lot and fans rev up like hell to play unreal 3 engine games.. haa

[@lilman227]

I just ordered one with the Black Friday sale. Totally worth it

[@brosephm.o.l9901]

lilman227 I saw that sale, did you get i3,i5, or i7?

[@219SilverChoc]

lilman227 which version?

[@Snayon]

lilman227

[@Snayon]

lilman227 how is it worth it i got the i7 and it works terribly

[@Niidan]

change the hard drive to an SSD.

[@CapsLockKeyon]

I can see the KZbin playing in the background as a positive if you want a music playlist going in the background perhaps. I can understand how that can become a problem though. Good review! Wish there was more on the Steam controller so I don't have to wait >.

[@MultiplayerDungeon]

I'm still going to watch this and enjoy it, but I wanted to drop my dissatisfaction that you have TWO ADS in your video. A KZbin ad and then a sponsor ad. OK, but still.. Good video.

[@MultiplayerDungeon]

+Multiplayer Dungeon Sorry, make that three ads.

[@definallynothunter490]

+Multiplayer Dungeon the first ad is skippable

[@colinmichael1557]

+Definally Not Hunter Not all the time.

[@MultiplayerDungeon]

Ad blockers pull revenue from the content creator. I don't use them because I'm happy to allow creators to make money from their videos. My issue comes from how many there are in this particular video. I feel like he should have chosen to monetize the video or utilize sponsors, but not both.

[@Kippykip]

+NOT BOT Doesn't matter much considering youtubes pulling ads off nearly everyone regardless

[@sandhyasaini3548]

Still better than any Mac

[@Niidan]

ye

[@ChivoLife]

Not better than My MacBook Pro 2017 15inch

[@rishikumar15]

Wow , A Gamer Girl

[@kylehollingsworth6541]

No, I own a mac and a BEAST of a windows computer but windows breaks more , crashes more often and loads slower (even with much better specs). Windows however is meant much more for gamers. (but macs are not made to game with) So it can't even come close to a mac. I only wish mac made a gaming computer.

[@germanelkapo1]

or windows to make an optimized, light operative sistem

[@Toimi]

I think this is a product that will get better with time. Linux support is getting better and better. It's moving closer and closer to conquering the desktop market.

[@zuppazone]

for playing games in the living room, I prefer buying PS4 for playing games on steam (or other retail PC games) I prefer using my trusty desktop PC :3

[@Edmundostudios]

a special console for special people

[@briankamras2913]

While I agree that SteamOS would definitely get more adoption with an exclusive title, it would be a shot in the hand for Valve to do this since they wouldn't sell nearly as many games or products and thus wouldn't recoup development costs. It seems to me that Valve should take hold of Linux's open potential and allow developers and users alike use it in some way that they can't use Windows. They could possibly fork the Steam client for Linux to take advantage of its features, such as cgroups, to make it faster than its Windows variant. Tight integration with Wayland and efficient use of Vulkan would also improve performance. If Valve can update SteamOS in this way, it's possible that they and Dell can make the Alienware steam machine competitive with other consoles for the duration of its lifespan.

[@KuittheGeek]

I still have my Alpha R1 and I am personally very excited to load SteamOS 3.0 on it to see how it performs. I will probably load Manjaro up soon, just to give it a go. Good times.... Very excited for the Steam Deck. Come on "after Q2 2022"! 😂

[@rollizle]

Man that's actually super cool! I don't know anyone who bought a Steam Machine, but installing a new build of Steam OS on an old machine is a cool idea.

[@TheTurtleOfGods]

While the console would have all the benefits of a pc if people knew how to use linux, that isn't the point, because if you want to use it as a linux computer, then why didn't you just buy a pc to begin with? The idea behind the steam machine is that it's supposed to be a console, at the very least, and it can't even do that.

[@tattoodrdoke]

i got all this and more by buying a gaming laptop. it was a good move back into pc gaming with the added flexibility to have my own screen when in the living room

[@ronycool1999]

I can't look at that controller it just looks so derpy to me

[@farn0153]

Ikr! xD

[@danxepha4535]

+Skylake Leafy It feels derpy too.

[@ChloeJohnson]

+Skylake Leafy Looking at it online I thought it'd look bad but when I bought my own it looked really nice, much better in person, and I much prefer using my steam controller then my PS4 controller on my desktop for gaming :P

[@ronycool1999]

+Chloe WolfieGirl i would doubt that xD ps4 controller is way better than that steam thing

[@danxepha4535]

Skylake Leafy You can't really doubt someone's preference. It's their choice!

[@bugs181]

I ALMOST hit the dislike button because for a second I thought you were advocating platform-specific titles. Rant: After running a Hackintosh for several years with MORE than adequate hardware (i7 CPU, 32GB RAM, SSD, and Nvidia Geforce starting out - built over 3 years ago), it's the platform specific titles that really hurt my Mac gaming experience when there really wasn't a need for it. Even Linux gaming (thus SteamOS) has been hindered by Windows-only titles (due to DirectX I presume); while still being available on Xbox 360 and Xbox One - or Playstation 3/4. We really need to get past all this platform-specific nonsense. Game developers need to realize that there would actually be MORE sales if they just made the title available for ALL consumers - regardless of platform.

[@germanelkapo1]

bugs18 it's not easy to just make it compatible with windows 7 to 10 (sometimes xp and vista too), linux and mac, it takes time and resources.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

It's easier to do if it's built from the ground up using OpenGL rather than DirectX.

[@marioprawirosudiro7301]

And get less performance? OpenGL might be easier to use, compared to DirectX, but in their latest iterations, DX is simply faster. This wouldn't matter to most smaller indie game studios of course, but bigger studios that make AAA titles would want that extra performance. The future of Linux gaming is Vulkan, not OpenGL. It is open, and it can actually compete with DX12 in performance.

[@djdougiefresh4478]

I watch Netflix on my Steam Machine all the time, just go to the pc mode where it has many more options, I stream from it all the time for our Radio station on the PC side, so it has stream on pc side also, you didnt check much did you.. But you did have some valid points. Thanks for the flap doodle

[@dannosaur7]

Until game developers stop using DirectX and start using OpenGL instead, Linux will *never* be a platform that can be used for premium games. DirectX will always be the preferred engine of choice, either because that's what the game developers are used to using, are lazy, or are too stubborn to change. They aren't realising that Linux is becoming a much better place for gaming these days. The fact that OpenGL works on both Linux AND Windows confuses me as to why game developers aren't making the switch already. Unless there's some kind of influence or financial reward that they get for building using DX...who knows. The games that do run on Linux though (I use Linux exclusively now, but still have to maintain a Windows install for those games that don't work under Linux) are really good, work really well, and granted that NVIDIA's closed-source drivers are a bit flaky and all over the place (and AMD's are even worse), once this gets sorted out (which I'm also hoping that with Valve shipping Steam Machines using said NVIDIA chips will influence the NV developers to sort this out), Linux will be a top notch gaming experience like Windows which has dominated the PC gaming market for so long. Then, and only then, will gaming under Linux, and devices running SteamOS, have a good place in the gaming market. Until then, this machine's price tag is so far over the top for something that won't play the latest titles, something that most people buying this will want to be able to do.

[@LOLTheory1]

Because directx is easier to use and has less problems, and has a few features that opengl doesn't support

[@devilmikey00]

+iTzPrime Ya that's why project vulkan is a thing. Create an API that has all the features devs want but has no OS specific nature to it. If it ever takes off linux gaming will be a viable thing.

[@saiyate1]

+Dan Jones OpenGL will soon support directx emulation, and they have always competed with eachother for features, each one adding the features that the other comes out with first. Keep in mind OpenGL has been around a LOT longer than directx and works on every platform you can think of. Hello, iOS, Android, what do u think they use? directx? i don't think so.

[@djinnsmith6407]

+iTzPrime thank you Microsoft employee for telling me that directX is better. In 5 years no one will use Directx because direct X only works on Windows while OpenGL works on every platform imaginable.

[@dannosaur7]

+saiyate If OpenGL gets a working DX emulation then this would be a *massive* step forward for those running Linux. Or hell, even OSX. Even if the games weren't natively built for Linux, I've heard of a few random success stories of people trying to coerce Windows games to run under Linux using Wine (I myself lack the time and patience to try this out, but I think if you fiddle around with it enough, you can get GTA V working in Linux). If OpenGL can figure this all out, and keep on top of the new DX releases, this entire argument goes away more or less as it becomes irrelevant what operating system you're using.

[@yesyes-om1po]

jesus christ i forgot this was so long ago

UPDATE: This is SECOND BEST Tech Tip Channel on all of KZbin. It has to be. All the others claim to be NUMBER ONE!!

[@AvatarRoku999]

Ohh I thought this was a desktop PC capable of doing everything a nice windows PC can. But its just a console for steam.

[@BK-qp2gw]

Actually there is a version of this that can do that

[@AvatarRoku999]

Yeah its called a fucking PC.

[@BK-qp2gw]

morgan freeman No. It's the red version of this one😂

[@AT-nx9zb]

I bought the i7 steam machine and got rid of linux and installed Windows 10. It works exactly like a regular desktop. And it comes with games and a unique controller.

[@BK-qp2gw]

Cody Forsberg did you just change the Hard Drive?

[@BontromUlousPrime]

Linus sounds like he lost his voice while going through puberty in this video

[@robertgrunsky4034]

I clicked this video and walked away with my speakers on.. I thought repzion was talking and came to mute it... I'm very relieved.

[@SuperSayinPanda98]

This aged well.

[@dylanangel2870]

so watching it now, steam OS is back and android consoles never happened

[@Narwhal12]

Ouya Not that it was any good

[@georgespence4277]

thank you for giving the steam controller so much time to review looking forward to that video! I already pre-ordered mine but there isn't enough justice going for reviewing the steam controller by big names sadly because they simply rushed reviewing it. In the end you are completely right and they haven't made enough effort to target that audience and mainly focuses on their current customers, but the current customers don't need such a thing. Big picture mode is still not fleshed out enough and has many bugs that even steam fans don't like Big Picture Mode.

[@bethanybellwarts]

You just recommended buying a windows license in a review of Steam OS, I think you miss the point. Linux is a better OS, its open source, more secure, mostly free, fast, more customizable and not controlled by a big corporation, but big companies do not develop for it. Why? Because people like you do not even give it a chance because more software currently works with Windows. How are developers meant to be encouraged to make more software and games for Linux when there are people like you who do not even give it a chance.

[@seaman78athome]

Jade ok More developers don't develop for Linux because it isn't a better OS. It is just another OS, and one that's a lot less user friendly to those who do not use Linux on daily basis. Yes, you can make it act and feel like Windows or Mac but the most useful features are accessible only in shell which resembles DOS more than any other OS. While that's great for some people, it isn't to a huge majority. As far as your comment regarding big corporations, those donate a lot to the open source community, they help it thrive so don't assume that just because a corporation is big that it should be hated. And on the topic of open source, it has it's down sides too, like getting support for a problem may take a LOT longer than when you are dealing with a big corporation. As far as your security comment goes, while true somewhat, no OS is full proof. Both Windows and Mac OS(Linux based) have gotten better at security. I remember the days when Mac community claimed to be unhackable...turns out they were just as susceptible as the other guys.

[@noobasdfjkl]

+Jade “ghgghghjh” ok "Linux is a better OS" Stupid statement. "better" is entirely dependent on what you use it for. If you're doing C# development, you're dead wrong.

[@noobasdfjkl]

***** Windows scrub. Hah! Try a real man's OS sometime. Like BSD.

[@capcom23]

+Jade ‘ghgghghjh’ ok it depends what you've been used for. I'm not seeing myself going to Linux even reading about the benefits. And not all games are supported on it. Sorry it's not going to happen

[@Adam-tp8py]

+Jade “ghgghghjh” ok It's a better OS, without a doubt when coming from a programmer or a developer's point of view. But it just doesn't have the support that Windows does. There's a reason the partition of my SSD holding Gnome sits there doing nothing 90% of the time.

[@venim1103]

I have to agree on that the SteamOS itself is pretty flawed BUT I disagree with having a Linux as a gaming OS being flawed! I haven't owned Windows for over 8 years now and I built a new Linux gaming computer (with gtx 970, core i5 k..) for myself this year and I can't express how awesome it is to play games easily and fast (after some configuration though, but hey, that's Linux)! I did go and try my friends "beast" machine (gtx 980, core i7) and I just couldn't understand why he wants to use an OS that uses more than half of his 16gb RAM on background OS processes and then have like hundred of different virus clearing/preventing software running somewhere underneath (+ a 200$ more expensive OS that you need to update and pay more every single update) losing about 20% of performance he could have on an optimized Linux platform?! I mean I get it, Linux is not for casuals (unless you have used it since you were a kid and got used to it.. I mean if people wouldn't have been used to using Windows already for a long time, I think that from a fresh start point of view many Linux environments are actually more user friendly). But for serious gamers (and graphic artists, coders etc..) that want to squeeze all the performance they can get and tinker their systems to the fullest, Linux is the way to go!

[@MineCraftFul]

Then you realize that gpu compute performance on nvidia and amd cards is 20-50% (depending on the game) WORSE on Linux. RIP that whole argument.

[@venim1103]

Well I don't know where you got those numbers from but I have never seen any results on any kind of test where Linux performed so much worse to Windows on GPU front.. I mean they mostly work about the same on that front. www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=win10-nv-ubu1504&num=5 Here's one article I found with a fast google search (and also bear in mind that the platform they use is Ubuntu Linux which is by far not very optimized environment for gaming, compared to a fully ground up build Linux kernel with only necessary components and software on top)

[@Mythricia1988]

+venim1103 "I did go and try my friends 'beast' machine (gtx 980, core i7) and I just couldn't understand why he wants to use an OS that uses more than half of his 16gb RAM on background OS processes and then have like hundred of different virus clearing/preventing software running somewhere underneath (+ a 200$ more expensive OS that you need to update and pay more every single update) losing about 20% of performance he could have on an optimized Linux platform?!" This is just an indication of piss poor maintenance and not knowing how to keep a Windows PC running. It's no different from having a completely gutted Linux install that has all sorts of problems. Same thing. My Windows 10 machine uses 'Massive' 3.8 Gb of RAM and I have 2 Chrome windows with a dozen tabs each open, so they pretty much make up a large part of that, plus Steam, plus a good chunk of other things that I run, intentionally, in the background. I also run only 1 Anti-virus, and it's disabled most of the time, I only enable it when I'm dealing with something I don't particularly trust. I've never had a virus in my 15 years of Windows use, because I have a brain, and I don't click banners on web pages that say "YOU WON 1'000'000 DOLLARS" and I definitively don't download or execute something that I don't know exactly what is. Also Windows 10 was free, the last time I paid for Windows was when 7 came out, which was in 2009, so that's 6 years ago - and there's never been a paid update for it as far as I know. Windows 8.1 sucked a giant dick so I don't know why anyone would have willingly used it anyway. So, basically, my OS cost me less than I care about, it has support, it does not have any performance issues what so ever, the only time I had repeated bluescreen or crash issues was when my 2nd GPU died (I'm pretty sure Linux won't take kindly to a dead graphics card either, unless it performs literal miracles). And don't even start about the updates - most Linux geeks I know spend all their time installing new Linux distribs or recompiling this, recompiling that, they're doing a hundred times more 'maintenance' than I ever need to do. Windows 10 just sometimes takes 30 seconds longer to shut down or boot because it's installing and update. Fine by me. Call it optimized all you want anyway, I've never seen a real-world use case for Linux being faster at desktop activities. Sure it's better at other things, and I'm not saying Linux is not useful or good, but I'm saying it's not a Desktop OS for average people and it never will be. It's very good at certain things, and that's okay - it's great that it exists for those things. Meanwhile I actually enjoy getting work done, I enjoy having the options to run most software out there, and I have driver support for most things. Unlike Linux, that is restricted to a smaller ecosystem of software, lacks driver support for many things, especially niche things that aren't wildly ubiquitous. I've used Linux for a lot of things, and I've never even considered it as a desktop or everyday OS, it's just more trouble, more fiddling, more bullshitting for imaginary placebo benefits that don't actually exist in real use. The sooner the whole Windows vs Linux debate dies the better. People who value what Linux offers them should just use it and be happy. And they should let people who prefer to use Windows, just use it and be happy. If you genuinely enjoy Linux better, great - use it, and just be happy. You don't need to convince everyone else.

[@venim1103]

+Mythricia I agree, Linux is not that good for both gaming and desktop use for an average user as it does do some things well but lacks in others, especially in a preinstalled environment like Ubuntu and such. I do enjoy Linux but I hate the fact of it having bad support from many developers when it could be the most efficient thing on the planet if set up correctly and having all the needed software for it and if it got all the support from every developer and hardware manufacturer. For me, having used Arch Linux as my main OS for the past 8 years has been both a blast and a nuisance. The thing I really like is the freedom you get from building your system ground up, choosing every single program and after having it configured you can just copy it to another computer and use it there and then just use one command to update and keep the system up to date. After that, the system is basically maintenance free.. I think all systems should use this "rolling release" way of approach instead of the Windows' and Ubuntu's fixed release approach. I would use Windows if it had these few things I can't live without anymore after switching to Linux: 1) Easily handled security. To not worry about viruses, trojans etc. Simple and lightweight way of setting up firewall and sandboxed systems. 2) Full freedom to modify and build the system ground up without any restrictions and non-uninstallable bloatware. 3) Rolling release approach with not having to update your whole system with fixed releases every few years and worry about support for all your old software that you can't run anymore if you have not upgraded to the next release. (Windows XP, old Ubuntu versions like Ubuntu 8) 4) Opensource support. I also don't have anything against Windows users. I understand why for most people it is the easiest to use OS because of the already forced familiarity and I understand why gamers prefer it as well (more software, more support from big developers). What I want to say is, I hate Windows for letting me down so much in the past and having me put so much money into an unoptimized locked down OS. Microsoft is a company that has never learned from their mistakes and that is why companies like Apple and Google are starting to take over. I'm not saying these companies are any better though. (Ps. My system uses 80mb RAM and an average of 0,1% of cpu core usage on every core while on idle.)

[@venim1103]

+TheWarCow I'm running Arch Linux :)

[@eric.waffles]

Seeing how good the Steam Deck and SteamOS 3.0 seem to be, I think Valve is in a great place to take another crack at a home console

[@ΓιάννηςΑναστασίου-τ8ξ]

buy a steam machine and put windows :p

[@hamzaboughraira4455]

Why was this recommended to me now?

[@leandrogoslean889]

Because now that Proton exist they can try to make a Steam machine again and a lot more games would be compatible, also, hello from 3 months in the future.

[@iihamed711]

@@leandrogoslean889 hello from 4 months in the future

[@blonditbg15]

Holy fuck, quality of this video is outstanding!

[@jamesy666]

A handheld gaming pc would be a better idea.......

[@samuelgrund8316]

protip: wipe off your display table/clear plastic; looks terrible with dust on it

[@Stoneysilence]

+Samuel Grund The console also looked all scratched up and dusty too.

[@samuelgrund8316]

Stoneysilence also that. Looks like it was rushed :p

[@ciaranfahy7179]

3 years later. With more work on proton(making it more seemless and just one button press to get the game to work), if valve makes a new Steam machine thing, and actually makes it more simple(with one or 2 versions, maybe a Gtx 1070/Rx 580), it could compete with the modern consoles given a marketing budget and that would be impressive, being capable of just being a Linux desktop AND a console. Or it's just the Linux fanboy in me talking ;p.

[@johnbrown9181]

> Or it's just the Linux fanboy in me talking ;p. As someone who only ever uses Windows for VR, unfortunately I think it is. Firstly, the price - a GTX 1070 easily exceeds the cost of either of the two big consoles. And keep in mind they includes a: * Harddrive * CPU (well, the two big consoles actually have AMD APUs, but this would need a CPU) * RAM * PSU and case * Controller Sure, volume pricing would be cheaper, as would the RX580, but there's no way this new Steam Machine would be able to compete with either 8th-gen console in terms of price. Secondly, the Steam Machines didn't had disc support, and Valve can't just start selling discs without asking the game publishers - especially as that opens up stuff like sharing/trading games, and the used game market. Thirdly, PC hardware ages very poorly compared to console hardware. Consoles are expected to last at least five years. For reference, imagine building this console five years ago with a GTX 770 - that's not running new AAA games without making a great deal of compromises in the settings - especially with the overhead of DXVK or vkd3d used in Proton. And this doesn't consider support. Sony and Microsoft both have track records of supporting all their consoles for many years, so buyers can be confident they won't be stuck with a console they can't get new games for. Valve stopped, or at least wound down, their efforts on the Steam Machines shortly (in console timespan) after releasing them, which is a major black mark for them. The reason why consoles are able to do so much with relatively poor hardware is that they use custom APIs that let you get very close to the hardware, and do stuff that's not at all platform specific. This is greatly aided by the 8th-gen consoles having a unified memory bus, with all their RAM shared between the CPU and GPU. (oh, and the PS4 (and presumably the XB1) actually has a custom-made AMD APU, with custom drivers and everything - that's super expensive) And the console audience has little tolerance for bugs. If they buy, say, Subnautica and find that plugging in a controller makes you spin around in circles, they're not going to be impressed. And having to look through for community controller mappings isn't going to fly, either. The thing here is that console players expect to be able to go down to the shop, buy a game, put it in their console and play it (maybe after a much-complained-about update), with no configuration or fiddling of any kind, no graphical bugs, and no Wine-related crashes (though those are becoming increasingly rare). Then there are the games that either have their own launcher chained in (UPlay), or aren't on Steam at all (EA, Epic, Blizzard). Finally, what advantage does this new Steam Machine have over a PlayStation 4 or XBox One? Nicer graphics are about the only thing I can think of. Consoles NEED exclusives (especially if there are major games the console cannot play). They sell systems, even if the console manufacturer has to subsidise them. Valve hasn't made any, which is a major problem. And keep in mind the 9th-generation consoles are well underway - games are already being made for the PS5 and IMO it's likely we'll see an announcement before the end of the year, and Microsoft is probably at a similar stage. > being capable of just being a Linux desktop AND a console. It's hard to do general-purpose Linux stuff on your TV, and I can't imagine much of an audience for this.

[@neosrt10]

Linus...can't you just install a windows on the alienware steam Machine

[@neosrt10]

+BOBsmithISaPERSON I was asking a question I wasnt making a point troll..It wasnt said if Dell allows it with their bios always having some safety or proprietary serial number being required to allow installation...chillax bob

[@tigrehermano]

there's gotta be a way to do that. if you think about it, consoles and pcs are not that different.

[@RC10GT]

neosrt10 lontv KZbin channel has a video of how you can do it. it's from a year ago. that was the first thing I thought when I saw GameStop has it on sale for $249

[@neosrt10]

Thanks Jason I might pick one up or a ps4 pro .whatever I can get tomorrow

[@tigrehermano]

Jason Nieves do you think its worth to buy one if i already own an xbox one s? i think it has better capabilities the alienware console.

[@meultoitau7683]

They should release Half-Life 3 for Linux exclusive and offer cheaper Steam Machines (350-400$) which run Half-Life 3

[@hkoizumi3134]

meulto itau The target audience for steam machine as Linus described are primarily a console gamer with an extra disposable income. Half Life series has been the bedrock of PC gaming experience and alienating the established PC gamers and offering to console gamers who more likely never played Half Life seems like a bad idea.

[@meultoitau7683]

Maybe Windows gamers would switch to Linux so publishers would release more games for linux as a rusult of the many games console gamers would switch

[@Antifa850]

+meulto itau lel if it linux exclusive then it wouldn't sell cause average gamer wont change their os just to play half life 3

[@DogOfV]

+meulto itau Oh yeah let's just absolutely shaft PC gamers, because they have a PC that's actually decent that runs on an OS that's compatible with all their games

[@ChloeJohnson]

+meulto itau Or have it as a timed exclusive, do it like sony and MS do it, call the game console exclusive, get advertisements out there with the steam machines and Pc exclusives that work on Steam OS, show some triple A's that work on everything to though, show of bioshock infinate at high settings, show of The Talo's principles, CS:GO, HL1-3, portal 1+2, Metro last light, rocket league, street fighter V, etc etc, sure PC gamers will say they have all of them, but its not advertised to PC gamers, and perhaps it would be a great idea to have games that aren't on Windows and Valve should create one, I don't think they should make HL3 fully exclusive, perhaps timed exclusive but if they want a SteamOS full time exclusive its got to be a new IP in my PO, and its got to attract console gamers more then there previous games.

[@SVL0RM00N]

This pretty much sums up my overall opinion for the last 3 years. I have a PC running both Windows and Linux and the respective Steam clients for each, and using the thing on an HDTV works perfectly as a console.

[@pennyandrews3292]

I personally think the version of this that has Windows 10 and an Xbox 360 controller was a better deal than the version with Linux. The controller on this thing looks terrible. Why would you want to buy something that can't play all the games that are on Steam? It's not as if this runs any better than a Windows PC with similar specs... if Valve could have swallowed their pride and just configured Windows so that it makes the Valve client full screen, it might have been a halfway usable product. Valve is being really hard-headed pushing Linux like this... no one really wants Linux, and those who do are already installing it on their PCs. Give it a rest, Gabe.

[@JustSoCuteAri]

Not gonna lie I wanted this when it came out but my boyfriend built me a pc with windows.

[@valpodesideromontoya2097]

SoCuteAri Good boyfriend.

[@faizazizi1127]

a starving african child dafuq

[@InfernalLeo777]

SoCuteAri why

[@EveryweekRandoms]

SoCuteAri that's nice!

[@EveryweekRandoms]

Toysand Friends I agree with everything you said, women are not for sex or for being a servant.

[@AtomicBBQ]

7:14 A reason for NOT wanting to stream from your desktop PC to a steam machine would be if you wanted to limit input lag. There really is no streaming solution that nullify's this.

[@SpeedyRampage]

Why not just make Half Life 3 exclusive to Steam OS? That would rake in the people and the cash.

[@gabrielandy9272]

+Kealan more exclusives no we don't need that, exclusives only make you buy a useless console jsut for that is crap.

[@intruder313]

+Kealan Also because they have pretty much said there won't be a Half Life 3

[@SpeedyRampage]

Yea you guys are all right, especially on the point of the last thing we need is more exclusives. The idea was only hypothetical, not one I was saying should happen. It was only a money making idea. Cheers :)

[@CrocTV42]

mom im joining faze

[@Blue__Oni]

William Scott Webster boo overdone meme

[@ImperialGoldfish]

Classic ltt - eloquent, succinct, comprehensive and satisfying. WP!

[@dmahasan007]

steam OS is still in baby stage, so we should not made conclusion yet, give them like 5 more years, coz they need enourmous support from outer and inner devs. so im not with linuses final DOA verdict. give them some time, i hope they will learn from this horrific experience.

[@capcom23]

+iGadget Shop Bd besides that if Steam would want to release on consoles i'm sure they would have to pay MS and Sony as well some of the money they are getting for the games. It's not a real benefit here for Steam. Unless MS and Sony are willing to pay them to release their software on their consoles. Just not seeing happen

[@noobgamer-qb3gq]

Valve just should put the money in Half Life 3!!

[@mmeers89]

How long is he gonna go through puberty?

[@sirlad9180]

Martin Meers lol

[@orinlee6123]

I bought a steam machine @ $375 on Amazon (twas only 1 left :D!!!), nuked each of the partitions until all space was unallocated, installed windows 10 on my new 500gb hdd, and set it up for my mom. Honestly, I couldn't imagine her having a pleasant experience with it as it came. I fumbled around with it for maybe an hour before deciding Win 10 Big Picture mode was vastly superior since you at least have a competent operating system to play games on. =D

[@flyboy2196]

personally I'd rather just buy a ps4, can't see the sense in buying a pc that's trying to be a console yet is less powerful than the console for a higher price

[@nickhowatson4745]

its actually more powerful than either the xbone or Piss4

[@nickhowatson4745]

they released a version 2 of this machine called the Alpha R2 that runs windows and has much better hardware with the ability to connect any graphics card externally to it. i have one.

[@hamzerpanzer]

@@nickhowatson4745 I know this is a year old, but how stupid do you have to be to not realise that this has way less gaming potential than a PS4? You can’t play any most triple A games on this thing