Steel Shackles VS Soft Shackles

Steel Shackles VS Soft Shackles
FYI you can't use the 'Winch ring' with steel cable, its only meant for soft rope.
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[@dune_tech]

This video should be on top of every 4wd driver`s list. It has saved my life just a day ago. Beacuase I watch this video, the correct shackle placement was used. So when the recovery rope broke, only the rope and soft shackle smashed the windscreen in front of my head. I wont be typing now, if it was a steel shackle. Guys, always use rated recovery point and correct shackle placement. A rope damper is also a must!

[@Spyyyder1]

Hot Tip : soft shackles are also used in some marine applications -> go to your local boat shop , they'll have soft shackles even for very high tonnage ( compared to a car ) for a fraction of the price of those sold by 4x4 companies

[@jasonfoo8651]

Thanks Toast4242!

[@norsefalconer]

Shhhhh! Hahaha.

[@TheLifeInMotion]

The only time "marine" anything is the cheaper alternative...

[@Chemtech2010]

@@TheLifeInMotion Recently found out that marine 12v stuff is comparitively cheap. Water/dust proof as well. Most boats use 12v dual battery systems.

[@jamesespey3030]

Soft shackles are easy to yourself. A lot cheaper and once you get at making them you can splice and dogbone in. Way faster

[@Rollermanfromspace]

Steel Shackles: Great for recovery points on the vehicle Soft Shackles: Great for everything else

[@rickhardoliver2465]

Wish I saw this 15min ago.

[@insidejob8309]

Steel Shackles: Great for killing, they turn into a missile. Id use soft for everything, ive seen those steel ones take off like a bullet.

[@dundonrl]

Except in heavy duty use, then steel every day! (no, not talking about vehicle recovery, unless you're recovering a 100+ ton mining truck)!

[@insidejob8309]

@@dundonrl They don't recover those 100 ton trucks. They burry them let them de-solve then re mine them send the metals to Ford to make a new one.

[@streakychambers658]

Good video as usual. FYI soft shackles have been used in the sail rigging industry since the invention of plasma rope nearly 15 years ago... the Swedish company Liros used the Monkey Fist knot to make them and the OffRoad community took advantage of it.

[@r.a.wskillsadventuresandbu5571]

Loving these soft shackles, I was a recovery mechanic in the British army and all we used were steel shackles. We used to back them off half a turn for pulling applications to stop them from binding up. Even with that, when sand and dirt gets in there they were still tough to undo. I m just getting into the civilian side of things so loving the videos.

[@rickd8979]

Congratulations on hitting 300k. Been following for a while. Production quality has always been on the increase. Keep it up Ronny 🍻

[@vicb8975]

Awesome gear video. I’ve been wheeling for 40 years and I found your video interesting and informative. Thank you.

[@vernonbennettiii3646]

Excellent analysis! You recommended exactly what I currently use after many, many years of my own trial and error! Ronny, "You Da Man!"

[@williambennett6526]

Thanks Ronni. No question my number one source of practical 4WD info. Fantastic stuff.

[@neilocoop]

Excellent once again. These topics are great simple and concise and no grandstanding brands.

[@noehctuccmliw]

Ronny you are spot on about the soft shackles etc. Nice way to really lighten the load and be safer and more effective at the same time. I carry a Pintle hitch with 2" receiver with adaptor for the receiver as to be able to fit it onto other's hitches in a pinch. Rope, cable, chain, or soft shackle friendly, tough, looks cool, doesn't rattle much, all weather friendly, not greasy like a typical ball hitch (90 times more secure), makes a great step and/or kayak tie down point. Fantastic if your ride has limited tow points. Not expensive. My dad chucked one on the back of my old Suzuki SJ410 when I was 16. I'm 52 now and that same pintle has followed along behind on a couple old Ford Broncos, Zukes, & Jeep XJs I've owned. Most of my life has been off road in British Columbia. "Works for me!" 👍

[@marksomerville1275]

One of your best 'how to' vids...thanks.

[@SeanMurphy00]

You kids have it so easy today with your soft shackles and safe spaces. When I was growing up we played dodgeball with hard shackles and if we got hit by one we didn’t run and cry, we hit it back.

[@JimBob-vb8oz]

Sure you did Chuck Norris

[@1strights]

Sure Jan.

[@nickjennings8317]

At last Ronny, a full and frank assessment in an unbiased fashion. The only thing I would add is that with the traditional snatch block, when a failure occurs the load can be set free. With the pulley ring where the soft shackle goes through the ring, if the ring fails the load is still attached. Thank you. Regards Non Stick Nick.

[@rtarrant1]

For someone like me, new to recovery gear, this was super helpful. Thanks.

[@TheRealPOTUSDavidByrd]

Excellent video as always. Regarding factory recovery points with rounded edges - the front recovery points for Ford Super Duty trucks have been round since '99. They're just the bow part of a bow shackle bolted through to the frame and they're very strong. You can hang the entire truck off of them if you want to.

[@mountie816]

Wow. Thank you so much for this video. I'm an old time offroader. I don't get out as often as I used to but I still like to be fully prepared. Aside from the great info you provided in this video I learned about the Winch Ring. As a result I just ordered an Overland one. I am switching to synthetic on my winch so I think this is a must have as well as soft shackles.

[@williamjones1590]

Thanks Ronny that was super helpful. Keep up the great work we appreciate your dedication

[@genisis53]

production has gotten a lot more sophistcated since the last time I watched one of your videos Ronnie! Nice job!

[@tims728]

There's a young bloke who did some excellent video from Seek Adventure on KZbin on making soft shackles and repairing Dyneema. Worth a look too. Drifta are getting into soft shackles and attachments too. Cheers Ronnie, your vid on recovery failures was noteworthy too.

[@wanderlust332]

It's a shame he doesn't make videos any more.

[@mickmay6569]

He is better then some of these new ones ...show you stuff all trying to get ya one patreon and talk to much with there faces in most of the video. We just want your money bleeds out of there videos

[@krump7429]

That seek adventure guy was great. Ronny should chase him down to do a collab kinda video even tho ol mate doesnt tube anymore. The good thing about him compared to other channels, is he is not a brand whore. Most these youtubers now a days, are for ever sucking up to companies just to get free stuff..... case in point that flog with the silver triton from WA. Spends more time doing product testing videos than he does camping and 4wd trips 😂😂

[@AngryTurds]

I kinda miss "seek adventure ". Great info though, thanks Ronnie.

[@mickmay6569]

Yer the bustard me too...he had the goods..

[@adamjones2025]

Seek adventure was good. But Ronny is good to watch less bs than another 4wd channel

[@heftymerv]

I was only just thinking this myself as soon as I saw the topic....

[@utahjohnnymontana3373]

His vid on the topic was really good, too. Much the same conclusions as well.

[@donewhiskey]

I really miss that show, but I get it. What I don't get is why he removed the store. I still want a shirt.

[@adrianbarden2481]

Hi Ronny, love the video. One quick, point, according to the ARB manufacuturer instructions, the bow shackle should be the other way around on the recovery points. The curved part should be fed through the recovery point, and the pin should have the straps. This keeps the straps nicely positioned and allows the bow shackle to pivot safely in case the vehicle shifts off line.

[@JamesZJi]

don't think so. avoid soft sling on pin whenever you can.

[@seanchristie7150]

Awesome vid as usual Ronny, great unbiased info as usual. Can't wait for the next gear torque video

[@sentencj4x4]

Very good presentation Ronny. I learned a lot. Thank you for putting this together.

[@ignacioentrocasso8171]

Thanks Ronny!!! Enjoy your weekend. Hope you and your family are doing Ok!

[@darrenturner8035]

Well explained in no nonsense detail,good job Ronny.👍

[@adamjones2025]

Ronny Dahl, Another great video mate, Keep them coming your right on the money.

[@mammeltoes83]

Great information. Thanks for helping me make better decisions for recoveries

[@swagitupadventures3259]

Good video mate there is not enough of these vids out there.. great tips for newbies and for experienced 4 wheelers 👌

[@SuperMegaWoofer3000]

You’re a bloody legend mate, thanks for all your informative videos.

[@carbonseals]

Thanks for the tips Ronny

[@gregsmith7537]

Excellent presentation of an important topic! Thanks mate!

[@markholtan5696]

Been trying to figure out what I needed as recovery items and this help very much, great video 👍👍👍

[@pheonix1758]

Awesome explanation and demonstration as well as the pro’s and cons 👍👍

[@MartinsGarage97]

Super dutys have a nice round front recovery points. So soft shackle for the front and a hitch with a steel shackle for the rear. You have have basically taught me how to do 4x4 recovery safely and 4 wheel drive etiquette. I've been trying to go to shops but they just try to sell me things. So these videos really help me out

[@thedelmardave]

Great post. Never heard of the winch ring till now... looking into it. Great advice on soft shackles too.

[@vernonbennettiii3646]

Also, if you travel in sub-freezing conditions, the Bow Shackle already installed beats the heck out of having to chisel a hole though frozen mud stuck inside the hole where a soft shackle is supposed to fit. I have lived "that dream" when I forgot to put my bow shackle on my rear hitch and broke through ice down into a mud hole in below freezing weather on a hunting trip in northern Michigan.

[@douglaspalmeri3067]

Ronny - thanks so much - so helpful ! Clear and detailed explanations !

[@waynebull8177]

Thanks mate just new to 4wd, did some at work but I wasn’t buying the gear. Very helpful video

[@josepharcher9281]

Great video topic! Tech and gear info is always handy regardless of experience level. keep similar topics coming

[@davidwayne9982]

I was a tow truck driver in LA- did a LOT of recovery work-- and out in the deserts of California.. as well as country mountains.. but never used soft shackles etc.. just standard tow truck gear. INTERESTING.. thank you again for EXCELLENT information... I've learned a LOT from you.. YOu have made one old mountain moron a LOT safer now.. ha.

[@hobiechhina]

As always, a ton of useful information Ronnie. Thanks mate!

[@dmac9777]

Had 'everyfing' I need to know. Cheers Ronny

[@1582len]

Great video. I recently got 2 soft shackles, and second guessed myself. But now I see I made the right choice for what I’ll be using them for. Stay healthy and well.

[@davidholdren8315]

That answers all my questions. Thanks

[@bogo19975]

Hey great vid, nine times out of ten for the rear recovery point we just use the pin for the hitch, a bit of a pain to fit your strap in if muddy etc but it takes some steel out of the line of fire.

[@olliehopnoodle4628]

Pin works for an easy tug. If you're hitting it hard multiple times then switch to the recovery points (that's probably the 10th out of your 10 times..)

[@Toramt]

With a tongue in the hitch the force is a 'shear' force on the pin, for which it is designed. Placing a recovery strap on the pin directly turns it into a deforming force -- which it it _isn't_ designed.

[@dickothomas5863]

So many people don't get this.

[@mindermedia9136]

Jason Martin I never thought about it that way. Time to order a receiver shackle mount I guess

[@richlittlewood516]

Excellent and sound advice, thx Ronny, best use I find for the soft shackle is to add the tow strap to my winch line to get another 30’ length or more. Keep up the great work

[@Malc664]

I think you nailed it on your choice. And of course these videos are great.

[@thetjwsfafscoot]

Congrats on 300K, great video also.

[@RexOffroad]

Spent the whole video worried you were gonna scratch the table... haha. Keep up the good work Ronny

[@sibhs66]

Great information there Ronnie, well done.

[@stephengreen737]

Thanks Ronny, very informative, I have steel bow shackles, but have been looking at the soft shackles for a while, looks like I will be getting some. Cheers :)

[@swidahooverlanding2867]

Some good points for both. Thanks for the information. George.

[@observer2583]

Great presentation ! Thanks much for all of this useful information.

[@valdius85]

Great video. I like that format. As someone who drives a Honda N-box, I for sure spend too much time on this channel ;)

[@Gee-Wizz]

Great explanation, thats it. Great vid, thanks Ronny.

[@jimlee5626]

Wow! I'm so glad I found this. Super informative. 👌

[@anthonycoleman1909]

Great advice. Love these type videos.

[@TrailerYacht]

The comment at 8:00 about losing shackles due to the pin vibrating loose made me wonder - we sailors "mouse" important shackles to stop them working loose. Maybe some velcro-type "mousing" would minimise losses, while still being quick & easy to remove - so you could undo the pin when needed. Cheers, Gavin & Amanda.

[@marita486]

Thanks Ronny I'm new to this 4x4 stuff this is helpful

[@gilmeacham8109]

Good Job, Ronny. Thanks for sharing.

[@LoneGalloperOverland]

Always delivering good info mate, the community thanks you for that 🙏

[@Livelifecairns]

Great stuff Ronny!

[@roadrash959]

Just a little tip for when you leave your steel shackle on the rear recovery point and travel on corrugations, use a zip-tie trough the hole in the pin of the shackle and back through the shackle itself to keep the pin from turning and backing itself out. It works a treat and the zip-tie is easy to remove with snips or a knife when needed.

[@tasrocket]

if you purchase a reputable Brand of Properly made soft shackle and Use it correctly. they Don't come loose any hard plastic cable ties will just make wear marks and weaken the spectra fibres Don't Modify Safety gear

[@stiglu]

Thanks Road Rash, I've been trying to figure a way to keep from losing my steel shackles besides storing them in my center council.

[@nathanmccrary87]

@@tasrocket did you even read his comment?

[@CredibleHulk10]

@@nathanmccrary87He has been avoiding having to respond to this for over 2 years. 🤣​

[@cliffcross6487]

Very good presentation. Thank you

[@antonreyment8945]

I hope you’re on the track when I get stuck Ronny, but this video is the next best thing. 🙏🏽

[@hfk1001]

Fantastic video. Thank you very much.

[@inferno1770]

Great video helped me make a better decision on recovery gear .

[@eduardoaverbuj1168]

Great video,! Practical and to the point. Thanks

[@patrickperkin7556]

always enjoy your videos very informative, we find a combination of bows and softs work here in New Zealand, thank you.

[@993ti]

Useful information and i also like the new editing :)

[@saff226]

In recovery you can work to a safety factor of 2. So the recovery load limit of a 15t braking strain soft shackle is 7.5t or 16500 lbs. So only enough to be used single line on most winches. The minimum sized shackle to be safely used with a 2:1 on a 12000lbs winch is 21.8t braking strain and about 16.3t for a 9000lbs winch. EVERYTHING in a winch setup should be rated at winch cut-out. Nothing should ever be anywhere near failure.

[@johnny_w]

Hi Ronnny, yes there are cars with smooth recovery points at the front. I have a Pajero 1th gen. and a Pajero 2th gen. , and they both have a big smooth recovery eye at the right front side. The eye is open at one side too, so you can put your tow-strap, kinetic strap etc. on the recovery point without using any shackle at all ! A brilliant idea 💡

[@Lordoftheflatbush]

Excellent video Rony!!

[@rec9264]

I will go for soft one. Thank you Ronny.

[@dillydoopsta6090]

Good stuff as always. Well done

[@leonardbevitt7830]

Mad video mate.. awesome to learn new tricks .. thanks buddy

[@adamrosetattoo]

exactly what I was looking for thanks!

[@rowdyringsak9448]

What a coincidence. I just bought me both steel and soft shackles on the interwebs today. Then this video comes about. Well my jeep is ready for recovery. My straps are still brand new.

[@charlesvella2431]

Very informative love your your work

[@EFFICIENTSELF]

Great info Ronny and very well explained cheers 👍🍻

[@FERNANDOOYARZUN]

Excellent explanation, cheers!

[@LindenRanch]

Awesome information. Thanks

[@wam7484]

Fair assessment. I will say I follow a few hard core off road recovery channels and over the years I've seen a half dozen soft shackle failures during ops and never a steel shackle failure. But in every case they just installed another one and successfully continued. I think the safety aspects of soft shackles and synthetic winch lines are worth the potential high load or abrasion failure risk.

[@frankdove4869]

I just got done watching this video I like what you said on a lot of it which does make sense thank you

[@MarkPdot]

I'm just happy to finally have my pintle hook hitch at the ready for when I pull people out of the ditch this coming winter. The only thing I have to worry about is if THEY have somewhere to hook onto. Bring it winter! By the way, I'm in Alaska so I know I'll be using my gear. Great video as always, thanks.

[@ricdonato4328]

Excellent! Never heard about soft shackles. Soon they will be in my kit.

[@neilqsmith5748]

Great informative video - Thanks !!!

[@johnfitzgerald5158]

I have a 2.5" Factor 55 in the hitch receiver and 6.5 Ton steel shackles on board. Planning on adding a Factor 55 hook to the winch up front. I think I will add some soft shackles in the mix after watching this, mainly for the potential to need to join straps. Other than that it's steel shackles for me. Some good points here Ronny.

[@keoniantolin5435]

Thanks Ronnie, very informative!!!

[@fmh357]

Great information we all need to know.

[@neddy1703]

Great video, thank you!

[@spetrakis]

Great info mate, thanks!

[@pabloanastasio3358]

Thanks for the tips. Greetings from Argentina

[@BobsOutdoorActivities]

Thank you. Very good educational for shackles!

[@gurupurkha]

Thank you so much for this information.

[@ke6gwf]

When you were showing the two shackles linked and saying you should never do it, I thought you were repeating the old story about not putting steel to steel, but I was relieved because you were only worried about the extra projectile weight!

[@danl4219]

Really Great info! Thanks for sharing!

[@VentureOffroadAustralia4x4]

Great video with some really good points. I suppose an advantage of the soft shackle been rated less than the steel shackle is if you're using them together, say on a front recovery point, the soft shackle should break first decreasing the risk to people involved in the recovery. Thanks Ronny.

[@ArkamasRoss]

If you keep a steel shackle on your hitch, you can use a cable-style gun lock and thread it through one of the trailer chain loops, the shackle and the pin hole as a theft deterrent and keep the pin from rotating out. They even come in various colors.