Steely Dan Aja UHQR w/ Fagen, Grundman, Schnee, Kassem, Kaplan: Discuss Recording and Reissue

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@Phoebedumplings
@Phoebedumplings 10 ай бұрын
Donald should do an interview with Rick Beato…Rick has interviewed Bernard, Chuck and Larry, the icing on the cake would be Donald, if you guys could help….
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 8 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@nickstrapko7549
@nickstrapko7549 8 ай бұрын
Theres a intervew with Michael Mcdonald comming
@mjsmcd
@mjsmcd 8 ай бұрын
Yup ​@@nickstrapko7549
@PeachesChrenko
@PeachesChrenko 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@Phoebedumplings
@Phoebedumplings 8 ай бұрын
There’s enough people he’s interviewed who must have Donald’s number!? Without wanting to be morbid, this needs to happen sooner rather than later, Ricks interviews are fabulous, recent gems have been Michael Omartian and Jimmy Webb
@Carlito_Sway
@Carlito_Sway 10 ай бұрын
I speak for all of us contemporary vinyl collectors when I say we ADORE the ritual- that's the point. Having the physical object, holding it in your hands, admiring the artwork, poring over the liner notes, listening on "the big speakers", it's all part of ACTIVE listening! Cassettes are booming too, among smaller artists who want to offer physical media to their audiences! I collect on both formats, as well as CD and digital- they all have their place in enjoying great music!!!!
@MrRom92DAW
@MrRom92DAW 10 ай бұрын
I am a contemporary collector, but I have been collecting for 30 years, so perhaps I have been in it longer than many people currently in the game, and maybe with that comes a different point of view. I can’t say I personally LOVE or adore the ritual, rather I tolerate it because that’s what often leads to the best sound. I love the end result.
@Billthemusicman
@Billthemusicman 10 ай бұрын
So true!
@Universityofvinyl
@Universityofvinyl 10 ай бұрын
Donald looks great! 🙏🏻
@michaelmorgenbesser7026
@michaelmorgenbesser7026 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful clarifying conversation. I would just like to say that I'm a 74 year old lifelong musician, a former classical pianist who was on a full scholarship who taught myself guitar and played professionally, mostly in Greenwich Village for 21 years. I know that I hear things that few others can hear. When this masterpiece came out, I used to frequent stereo stores trying to find the best speakers I could find for as little as possible, a lot. Virtually every store I went into was playing this album. Incredibly, this damn thing sounded great on EVERYTHING. To this day it amazes me. How can a record sound great on every single speaker? Thanks Donald and Walter, and everyone involved in the creation of this masterpiece. David Crosby's favorite album.
@paparomeroalpha
@paparomeroalpha 10 ай бұрын
We are blessed to have Chad in our lives! Chad thank you.
@newwave80skid
@newwave80skid 10 ай бұрын
So many greats still alive and kicking
@graemeferdinands5856
@graemeferdinands5856 10 ай бұрын
All hail to absolute ROYALTY, in this video! Greatness! 🤩👑 This is the discussion we all wanted to hear! A revelation! Thank you! 🙏
@tonejunkeee
@tonejunkeee 10 ай бұрын
listening to BG and DF talk about EQ and bass response is just pure gold. plenty of gems here
@knockshinnoch1950
@knockshinnoch1950 10 ай бұрын
This was an enthralling discussion. Capturing these memories of experts in their field is like spun gold. A very important document for future generations of music lovers.
@danmartinez5502
@danmartinez5502 10 ай бұрын
I have the first press and a promo version. The reissue Chad is just outstanding a great job. Thank you for all you do. I have been collecting vinyl for 5 decades . Looking forward to Gaucho.
@DrummerDanVa
@DrummerDanVa 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating discussion!
@Jurupoca
@Jurupoca 8 ай бұрын
Glad to see Mr Fagen!
@williamtaylor5193
@williamtaylor5193 10 ай бұрын
Acoustic Sounds---great selection, great quality, great service, great company!!
@EddieG1888
@EddieG1888 10 ай бұрын
The recent Grundman release of Aja on vinyl is absolutely stunning, I've been listening to the album since I was 15 (so around 35 years and counting) and I was hearing details I've never ever heard before. Fabulous. The Gaucho release on the other hand, has been nothing but hassle for me. I've had two copies now from The Sound Of Vinyl, and both have had a significant skip at exactly 1 minute in to Babylon Sisters. I suspect a pressing fault, but TSOV deny this is the case. EDIT: If this was filmed at the same time it was uploaded, I'd just like to add that its good to see Donald back to full fitness again after his recent illness and hospitalisation.
@67Pepper
@67Pepper 10 ай бұрын
A gathering of the industry heavies, very enjoyable! Bernie is 80 years old and still going strong, great to hear all of the stories. I was surprised to hear Mr. Fagan say that he and Walter offered a $600- reward for the return of the lost master tapes, funny. 32:22 High praise from the man himself.
@rolandsiegert4858
@rolandsiegert4858 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this fascinating discussion and for bringing all these legends together.
@johnborzini5610
@johnborzini5610 10 ай бұрын
Donald drops a new album is planned. What a nice New Years surprise 🎉
@Sckott01
@Sckott01 10 ай бұрын
Reissue of the year. Best sounding record I've ever heard.
@jimdukeproject
@jimdukeproject 7 ай бұрын
You guys are awesome. Donald I learned a lot seeing how you turn chord voicing into songs. Helped me in my crafting.
@SgtMjr
@SgtMjr 10 ай бұрын
This UHQR is the best version of Aja I have heard. It is really good, probably the best UHQR so far.
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 10 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for you
@R3TR0R4V3
@R3TR0R4V3 10 ай бұрын
Likewise. I feel sorry for the schmucks that feel the need to take time out of their day to shitpost under every other comment on this channel relating to a Steely Dan release, when someone happens to praise it. We get it, man. Different strokes for different folks, ya know.. 👍
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 10 ай бұрын
@@R3TR0R4V3 Maybe you should stop stroking
@Harrisongrey19
@Harrisongrey19 10 ай бұрын
@@crazyprayingmantis5596you are the true meaning of a “loser”
@danielzzz7232
@danielzzz7232 8 ай бұрын
I am in awe. Thank you for the video and for hopefully spreading further SD/Aja's impact and beauty...
@derekduncan-tm2yj
@derekduncan-tm2yj 10 ай бұрын
Aja uhqr sounds amazing and I love these kinds of videos with the people who are involved. I can’t wait for the next ones
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 10 ай бұрын
It sounds amazing but unfortunately the album is Steeley fking Dan ☺️
@67Pepper
@67Pepper 10 ай бұрын
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Okey Dokey.
@bobberndt9744
@bobberndt9744 10 ай бұрын
I can't afford being à 'true hi-fi audiophile' but I can hear many of the subtle adjustments that most people miss. I find this discussion FASCINATING !! 👍✨️
@puffnpluky76
@puffnpluky76 9 ай бұрын
I gotta hear Donald explaining how they found Jeff Porcaro and what it was like working with him. I heard he was often used on the first rough demo of songs that later used other drummers.
@revivalworship
@revivalworship 8 ай бұрын
I'm reading Bill Schnee's book, Chairman At the Board. It's a great, mostly non-technical, view into what was going on in the control room during some of the greatest music of that golden age, industry notes too. Highly recommend!
@omerktee9261
@omerktee9261 4 ай бұрын
What a treasure. I would like to add the luck of bottom I've experienced with those tunes just made them for what they are ,at least in my world.
@Bassic778
@Bassic778 8 ай бұрын
Being an audio nerd and a bassist, this is a fantastic interview! and one of the best I've ever seen!! Aja is one of the best recordings, regardless of genre, concerning composing, arranging, musicianship, recording, mixing, mastering, and producing in history! I'm buying Bill's book!!!
@juanparra6279
@juanparra6279 10 ай бұрын
A perfect album and one of my favorite pieces of music
@bonzostarr
@bonzostarr 10 ай бұрын
What a killer discussion!! Aja has made so many parties and listening sessions cooler!! Thanks to all of you for your artistry and passion!
@wayne.rassman2389
@wayne.rassman2389 10 ай бұрын
Wow. Really enjoyed listening to all on this interview
@garycrisp6631
@garycrisp6631 10 ай бұрын
Great stuff. But do you know what, for once I'd like to hear Donald talking about the making of Sunken Condos. Love the sound of that album. It's got the holy grail of clarity & warmth. I definitely think it's his best solo album.
@Daniel-hk3ru
@Daniel-hk3ru 10 ай бұрын
To hear from the individuals involved with Steely Dans' Aja is amazing ! Thank you, Chad ! You Make The World Sound Better !
@JB19504
@JB19504 8 ай бұрын
Donald, you have been my favorite forever. I play your albums and SD albums all the time. Thank you so much for what you do. I hope we get at least one more album from you. My frame of reference for this statement is Sunken Condos. I hope we get at least one more, PLEASE!! And Donald, please check out Rick Beato and grant him an interview also. P.S. We are looking at Donald in this interview as a nice guy but maybe people don't realize that this guy is the voice of Sooo many great recordings, like Josie, Babylon Sisters , Kid Charlemagne, I mean, and I am not blowing smoke up his ass but do we realize just how great this "old guy" really is??!! He is right up there with the Beatles and I mean that as my sincerest compliment.
@rixvspinner
@rixvspinner 10 ай бұрын
I have the AB1006 original US California pressed ABC Records AJA. It has always sounded great to me. Then I compared it to a friends copy of the UHQR45 and was very impressed. Bernie had another kick at the can with mastering AJA and did a superb job. I have to get this QRP UHQR45 one day. This was great to see the panel especially of course, Donald Fagen.
@robertwoodward9231
@robertwoodward9231 10 ай бұрын
I have those and all the others that were engeneered very well and I won't be getting this one, simply because my kids will be using it as a Frisbee when another far better one drops in 20 years.
@R3TR0R4V3
@R3TR0R4V3 10 ай бұрын
I think the AB-1006 still holds its own with the UHQR in some cases, with the UHQR perhaps just edging out in the lead. It was fun comparing these two. 😎 I doubt anything will sound better than this in 20+ years though, unless it's on R2R maybe, or unless they find the true original master tape and do something with that, if it even still exists. 🤷🏻
@mistermac56
@mistermac56 10 ай бұрын
@@R3TR0R4V3 it may have been lost in the Universal Studios fire in 2008, where precious video and audio master tapes were destroyed. UMG disputes the number of lost audio master tapes between 118K and 175K. Fortunately, UMG has an excellent temperature and humidity controlled vault today.
@robertwoodward9231
@robertwoodward9231 10 ай бұрын
@@R3TR0R4V3 That's a good question..and of course you are right.
@SmallPersonRoo
@SmallPersonRoo 7 ай бұрын
@@mistermac56the Aja master tape has been missing since the 80s
@mikeryan2802
@mikeryan2802 8 ай бұрын
A wonderful collaboration. Thanks to all.
@monkeyrater
@monkeyrater 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Two takes on Wayne Shorter's solo over Aja. Wish they would release BOTH takes! Thats the best sax solo over and probably the best instrumental solo ever. The fact that these guys all knew each other meant questions regular people have didnt get asked and a lot of repeat questions did get asked. I think the reason Donald left early was he got bored. Still there were interesting technical descriptions about the mastering of Aja that are interesting to hear about for those who want to know how Steely Dan got their perfect recorded sound.
@jackhill7140
@jackhill7140 10 ай бұрын
Bravo Chad, thanks for all of this. I can’t wait for Gaucho. I know it’ll be great.
@WhizMitchell
@WhizMitchell 10 ай бұрын
Great interview and insight on such a legendary record. I love this album, Aja, it helped change my view of music, blending genres, sound frequency, and how music is created.
@F1fletch
@F1fletch 10 ай бұрын
Great Interviews!! Looking forward to these hybrid SACD releases 😊
@MrRom92DAW
@MrRom92DAW 10 ай бұрын
I’d love to hear more from Schnee on his work with Sheffield Lab and those direct to disc sessions, it’s not often we get to hear from people who actually worked on those demanding style of sessions
@billschnee8219
@billschnee8219 10 ай бұрын
Have you read my book that covers it?
@MrRom92DAW
@MrRom92DAW 10 ай бұрын
@@billschnee8219 I have not, but I should! I’m going to go check it out from my local library
@abxaudiophiles
@abxaudiophiles 10 ай бұрын
Got this in a few weeks ago!! STUNNING WORK guys. ❤❤❤❤
@meganhill3822
@meganhill3822 8 ай бұрын
Love Sd. So many memories. Thank you
@logjamstomper1280
@logjamstomper1280 Ай бұрын
Great to hear this. Thank you.
@dalewiley9208
@dalewiley9208 7 ай бұрын
Man, this was GREAT! I love Steely Dan.
@zoltannemeth8864
@zoltannemeth8864 8 ай бұрын
that’s it! The secret of Aja’s hi-fi sound at 1:00:14 ! Seriously, love to hear these people share the magic of their work all these years later. Thank you gentlemen!
@analoguecity3454
@analoguecity3454 10 ай бұрын
I love these shows, keep em comin'!
@troiler3
@troiler3 7 ай бұрын
I was a little baby when that Record came out. 🎶🎶 My old man was still jammin that when I was a child.
@davidpetersen7091
@davidpetersen7091 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this. WONDERFUL!! Mr. Pete---------> aging hippie
@CaliforniaBushman
@CaliforniaBushman 8 ай бұрын
I started checking out Keith Carlock with Wayne Krantz at the 55 Bar in 1997. To this day (as a drummer) I'm still dumbfounded by his octopus-like independence with all four limbs. While simultaneously dislocating groove figures with his undeniabe, swampy, Mississippi Valley feel. All while using his own language on the instrument while improvising. Great call with Donald & Walter hiring him!
@LetThereBeSound1
@LetThereBeSound1 10 ай бұрын
Well done!
@roberthurley1685
@roberthurley1685 10 ай бұрын
Love this conversation ... but I gotta say I'm really really looking forward to Katy Lied and Royal Scam
@psmith3001
@psmith3001 5 ай бұрын
Word on the street is there is a movie coming that is based around the making of the Aja album. Who are the "two" main leads who will be the actors?
@tandmkennedy
@tandmkennedy 10 ай бұрын
Great stuff gentlemen.
@yphoenix9077
@yphoenix9077 10 ай бұрын
I am so happy for all the vinyl owners, but when am I getting my SACD I've had on pre-order for over 1 year?
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
Probably within the next 3 months.
@twominutepianoman9868
@twominutepianoman9868 8 ай бұрын
It is really interesting to think that Jeff Porcaro didn’t play on any of the songs on this album.
@woodstockorientalrugcleani430
@woodstockorientalrugcleani430 10 ай бұрын
Loved this discussion. I was pleased to hear Chad sing his praises for Morph. After enjoying all of the enlightening details I gleaned, this Luddite jut wants to know how to get my phone to ring out the intro to Josie!
@freightdawg6762
@freightdawg6762 10 ай бұрын
that was EPIC!!! ❤
@PhilUKNet
@PhilUKNet 8 ай бұрын
Behind Bill Schnee on the wall: 'The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi'. Could this have been an influence for the Dandy of Gamma Chi?
@McShwee
@McShwee 8 ай бұрын
I just bought Bill's book
@dirkwegener174
@dirkwegener174 10 ай бұрын
And thanks for 75 Atlantic Series ….❤Genesis 🎸🎸🎸
@keithlambe211
@keithlambe211 8 ай бұрын
The day Aja came out,I went to Penny Lane Records,Penny Lane Liverpool,with a big bag of chips and curry sauce.We put the record on the turntable and were transported to a sublime far away world, whose magical spell has only increased over the years,my favourite record ever❤
@johndutchman
@johndutchman 10 ай бұрын
So good.
@Jackgrahamphotograph
@Jackgrahamphotograph 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Chad for this…fascinating….. thank you for what you do…. It’s important….JG
@yourhomeisyourbusiness2221
@yourhomeisyourbusiness2221 7 ай бұрын
It blows my mind that in a few, short years Aja will be 50 years old.
@anthonyburke223
@anthonyburke223 10 ай бұрын
Hey Chad , any chance you’ll put out an Analog productions Kamakiriad ?
@Universityofvinyl
@Universityofvinyl 10 ай бұрын
Yesssss! Sorely needed
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
Probably not. This was a nice box set released not long ago, I suggest you find one. It has Kamakiriad in it: www.discogs.com/release/11249512-Donald-Fagen-Cheap-Xmas-Donald-Fagen-Complete
@GIBKEL
@GIBKEL 10 ай бұрын
I only wish we cared as much today. There are great bands today making great music but we will never hear them with this level of fidelity.
@perigee1275
@perigee1275 8 ай бұрын
It was fun playing my bass to Countdown to Ecstasy and it helped my chops a lot. Funny thing is I never cared if I heard any of their songs again. Then I heard what they said about John Lennon and I thought that "Imagine speaks for itself. You really don't get it?" Pretty sad.
@jeffbellin8224
@jeffbellin8224 10 ай бұрын
The UHQR is very good in many areas, but I feel that my original AB-1006 is an overall better listen. The UHQR has great individual imaging and staging, but the midrange of the AB is more open and immediate. The overall presentation on the original is more coherent. And I'm a big fan of cutting at 45pm. It's just that in this case, I prefer the AB better. Not in every single area, if you pick it apart, but I enjoy listening to my original more.
@CUBICUB
@CUBICUB 10 ай бұрын
Excellent
@xs10tl1
@xs10tl1 8 ай бұрын
Who is responsible to the Artist for master tapes? What prevents the Artist from maintaining a copy in their vault?
@RyanHarris77
@RyanHarris77 8 ай бұрын
I can’t believe Fred Willard was late to this epic conversation.
@VinylGourmetTV
@VinylGourmetTV 10 ай бұрын
Thanks guys, keep it up :)
@CaliforniaBushman
@CaliforniaBushman 8 ай бұрын
Donald: The Cuervo Gold,... The fine Columbian. Makes it difficult for me to recall that particular session... 😊.
@tonynewman1694
@tonynewman1694 10 ай бұрын
Are we likely to get Gaucho next or are you going to surprise us with a uhqr sneaked in first . Keep up the good wor😢
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 10 ай бұрын
Gaucho!!!!! Why would you waste good sound on Gaucho? At least pick good music to sound great, fking Gaucho 🤮
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
Gaucho is next.
@mrcasey69
@mrcasey69 10 ай бұрын
Gaucho & Aja Ultra Tape? I'll prepurchase now. :)
@yphoenix9077
@yphoenix9077 10 ай бұрын
You'll be waiting forever. Pre- purchase on for over a year now.
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
That would be nice.
@RhysGreen-kk2yf
@RhysGreen-kk2yf 8 ай бұрын
Fabtastic!! But who is this Kaplan guy, and why is he asking such goofy questions?
@marrkzulunuz
@marrkzulunuz 10 ай бұрын
Mr. Kassem, will you release "Aja" on Reel-to-Reel? Thanks.
@judmcc
@judmcc 10 ай бұрын
I think I remember seeing a video of Donald and Walter playing back the multi-track tapes of Aja. Do these tapes still exist? If so, two generations of analop tape can be eliminated.
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
Yes that's on the 'Classic Albums' series.
@judmcc
@judmcc 10 ай бұрын
@@acousticsoundsks Then wouldn't it be better to go back to the original multi-track tapes, as far as sound quality, rather than use a copy of the stereo master?
@BedPanAlley
@BedPanAlley 10 ай бұрын
That would be a remix, not a remaster, and it would never be the same. It’s impossible to recreate the original 2 track mixdown from the multitrack, no matter how talented the mix engineer is. Doing that would be a disaster for anyone wanting the best version of the original album. It would be incredibly expensive to do that even with digital in the chain. All analogue? Same equipment used at the time? It’s not even realistic even if you’re dreaming. I can see why it’s seems like an option, but unfortunately on a technical level, it can’t even get started.
@judmcc
@judmcc 10 ай бұрын
@@BedPanAlley Yes, but it would sound better.
@BedPanAlley
@BedPanAlley 10 ай бұрын
Ok.@@judmcc
@stevenzagony6187
@stevenzagony6187 8 ай бұрын
Still would like to know what were the brand names of the speakers used for monitors.
@ManuelMenchaca
@ManuelMenchaca 8 ай бұрын
OGs 🫡
@robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883
@robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883 10 ай бұрын
Wow!!!!!
@99tonnes
@99tonnes 10 ай бұрын
Pretty interesting! Kind of ironic though, if that's the word, that apart from Bill Schnee's, the audio quality here is so f-ing murky. 🙄
@derekkoch9734
@derekkoch9734 10 ай бұрын
Please don't knock CD and SACDs. 😊
@tomtompkins7546
@tomtompkins7546 10 ай бұрын
There are only a handful of people in this world for whom I would turn into a blithering idiot if I ever met them. Donald Fagen is one of them. Paul McCartney is another.
@Jamko1970
@Jamko1970 10 ай бұрын
So, an EQ-ed copy tape was used. Correct?
@jmdavison62
@jmdavison62 8 ай бұрын
Why not take hi-res digital? What would Roger Nichols do?
@orvilleorville5020
@orvilleorville5020 10 ай бұрын
it actually is Christmas!
@patrickreagan6443
@patrickreagan6443 8 ай бұрын
I was hoping this dull group would expand on arguably the best solo in history. Steve Gadd & Wayne Shorter!
@thexfile.
@thexfile. 10 ай бұрын
SACD when?
@acousticsoundsks
@acousticsoundsks 10 ай бұрын
Not positive but within 3 months. Probably 2.
@williamflinchum-qo6ch
@williamflinchum-qo6ch 9 ай бұрын
Iv,e been pondering this question for years. Did Donald and Walter ever consider hiring Jaco Pastorius to play on any of the tracks on Aja or Gaucho? I tried to ask this question through Donalds fan club on FB, but the question kept getting sensored and declined?? Thx anyone who knows!😊😊
@winstonschwarz1636
@winstonschwarz1636 7 ай бұрын
Very informative but maybe you chaps should invest in a better internet connection/computer. I love Donald sitting in front of his books and trying to read the titles freezing the picture is impossible.
@CaliforniaBushman
@CaliforniaBushman 8 ай бұрын
"Massive Overdubbage" - Frank Zappa, 1979
@MrCongamike
@MrCongamike 8 ай бұрын
Why was it mastered so hot and distorted???
@bobhenry2411
@bobhenry2411 10 ай бұрын
POSTSCRIPT: some answers come up at 10 minutes into the interview.
@audiophileman7047
@audiophileman7047 10 ай бұрын
Sure will be glad when you're done with the Steely Dan releases. Other artists deserve some attention too.
@67Pepper
@67Pepper 10 ай бұрын
Really? Start your own label, what's stopping you?
@GrowthruGod
@GrowthruGod 8 ай бұрын
sounds like a guy getting a massage too many metaphors for me to look the other way ...
@audiotomb
@audiotomb 10 ай бұрын
Less is more - keep it natural
@jorgegera9042
@jorgegera9042 10 ай бұрын
Stop robbing people Chad
@IonnaPleiades
@IonnaPleiades 8 ай бұрын
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@7and12inchvinyl
@7and12inchvinyl 10 ай бұрын
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