Toolroom mill: Deckel FP1

[@ThisOldTony]

congratulations! absolute jewel of a milling machine! it's no schaublin, of course, but still. ;) looking forward to seeing more of it!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

No schaublin :( But it has a quill ;) Thanks for dropping by!

[@OmeMachining]

You should try a Deckel Tony. FP2 or 3 😋 or... A quality TOS/Intos from Czechoslovakia 😁💪

[@brianrhubbard]

@@StefanGotteswinter LOL

[@westweld]

Its not the size of the quill its how you use it.......6mm is about average im told

[@Machineius]

This Old Tony is how I found this channel. THANK YOU TOT!

[@akosbuzogany2752]

It is older than me - yet in better shape!

[@2lefThumbs]

Haha, I'm a bit older, but I'm a lot slimmer:D

[@lesmaybury793]

I'm older than Stefan's Deckel and not so flexible 🥴😁.

[@Ujeb08]

I had forgotten how much I loved the design of the Deckel mill. I ran them back in the 80's a bit. So much for such a small footprint. Ingenious!

[@adamthemachinist]

I'm so happy for you! also, adding the catalog photos of the accessories was a fantastic idea .

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you Adam!

[@lewisheard1882]

It really was, wasn’t it. Also when I saw the tiny powerful machine I instantly thought of you, Adam 😊

[@joell439]

The difference between an FP1 and a motorboat is there are only two days you’ll be happy with that motorboat….. the day you purchased it and the day you sold it. You’ll be happy with the FP1 virtually every day you have the pleasure to use it, AND it will never go down in value 👍👍😎👍👍

[@jimsvideos7201]

I have a feeling that the manuals for that machine and all of its accessories would make a stack as tall as it is! But seriously it is a remarkable machine and I appreciate you taking the time to show us around.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The original accessories cabinet is like 2m wide, 1m tall and 800mm deep :D

[@kimj2570]

@@StefanGotteswinterThat cabinet full would be dream of many people. Stefan, are you still keeping old drill/mill you have, as an drill press?

[@CameronMcCreary]

I used to use a slotting head on my Lagun Mill in conjunction with a rotary table in order to machine internal slots that were cut around a circumference when a milling cutter wouldn't make the cut. Slotting heads are great on a mill.

[@mikejack4532]

I have joined the club too! I have bought an FP1 (1980) which has all the accessories you have except the slotting head. Even though I have three other mills (Fexac horizontal, Ex-Cell-O turret and a Makino machining centre) in my home workshop, the Deckel will provide setup configurations not possible on any of them. Thanks for all the instructional videos!

[@Gkuljian]

It's great to see a Deckel on youtube. I know how you must feel. I bought an imperial unit FP3 in 1992, and I love it. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

[@nielsandreasen3162]

Hi Stefan I was an apprentice on the FP1. It is a marvelous Munich machine design. I own both a Schaublin and Deckel milling machine and they are both fantastic versatile machines. (I must say that accesories for Schaublins eat in on you payslip faster than Deckel)

[@garym1550]

That is a mill that I would love to have. If only I still lived in a country that these were available in, had the money to pay for it and above all, I were 40 - 50 years younger. Your realized dream isn't even a possible dream for me any more. Enjoy your boat, I mean mill and think of those who can only dream your dream while sleeping. Congratulations!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you!

[@garys9694]

We had several of these machines in the shop I worked in during my tool & die apprenticeship back in the 1970s, in the US. Deckel, then Deckel, Maho, Gildemeister, now DMG-Mori, one of the premier machine builders in the world.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The opinion on DMG is greatly ranging from "awesome" to "wouldnt touch it with a Bratwurst" We have several DMG mills at work, they do perfectly fine work

[@fredhand6019]

That was one of the more informing videos I've seen in a long time thank you for your effort

[@andli461]

The FP1 must be the most versatile machine ever made. 🥰 The “footprint to parts and cut size”-ratio is hard to beat. And top level precision on top of that. 👌 Really looking forward to see what clever setups you will show us in the future, taking benefit of the machines full potential.

[@markiobook8639]

I guess its also because space is really at a premium in urban Germany.

[@ROBRENZ]

That is a thing of beauty! Congratulations. ATB, Robin

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you Robin! Hope all is well 🙂

[@lionpauu7360]

Welcome to the light! I am the current keeper of a Deckel FP3, with most of the accessory tables with indexing + overhead milling kit. Newall 3 axis DRO, will be adding a further 2 axis to cover the additional axes. All running on a single phase inverter, so have speed control and reversing if needed.

[@ahwongwk]

this machine bring back memory.. use this machine in the mid 90s.. love it. only thing i worry is the power feed for the Y and Z axis. if you're not careful when engaging the autofeed when there is a part on the machine, something bad can happen to that work... am very careful with the autofeed--- very careful.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Well, every machine with powerfeed can be dangerous if you are not careful ;)

[@624Dudley]

Wow, Stefan, you have a knack for finding (and buying) good-looking machines! That lovely FP1 shows no signs of abuse. Thanks for this update 👍

[@franciscoanconia2334]

German machines kept by germans, last a long time.

[@624Dudley]

Also: do you suppose the Deckel was outfitted with 40 taper from new, in 1968? I ask because such steep tapers weren’t common, so far as I know, so early in the U.S.

[@first_namelast_name4923]

@@624Dudley My Czechoslovakian milling machine TOS is even older (70 years) and it has the original 40 taper.

[@624Dudley]

@@first_namelast_name4923 Interesting! Must be the ISO taper is simply older than I understood.

[@cooperised]

@@624Dudley I was interested in that too - my similar machine of a similar age has MT4 spindles. I'd prefer ISO40!

[@bluedino5375]

Thank you for nice video. I am using Metba MB-1, ISO 40. It is the same as yours. I am working more than 10 years on it. DRO makes this equipment as a rocket. Keep going! Best regards from Lithuania.

[@chrisf8766]

Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. Very appreciated. Nice knowing that a machine of this accuracy and versatility is in the hands of an equally capable machinist who appreciates it and can use it to it's full potential.

[@BROCKWOOD64]

'Will never buy a (fill in blank)." I've often prayed that every never I've ever spoken are finally behind me. Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor? Nice machine Stefan! Hope it meets or exceeds your expectations.

[@Unrivaledanime]

Lol 😂 for a guy who said he would never get one it sure does put a smile on your face I hope you enjoy it for a long time

[@metaltipsandtricks6747]

Congratulations on the new machine. You have always amazed me of the quality of work you have learned to do on a Chinese mill. You have payed your dues on that old thing. You deserve this amazing new /used machine😊. Can wait to see what you do with it.

[@Rsama60]

That is the mill I learned on during my apprenticeship as tool and die maker in the late 1970s.

[@clarkmaq]

Awesome Stefan! One more in your arsenal of machines!! Congratulations for your aquisition and progress!!

[@BasementEngineer]

Got to use one of these, FP-1 or FP-2 during my apprenticeship days with Big Blue in the late 1960. I was used to XLO and Japanese vertical mills of Bridgeport style, but stiffer and heavier. When I finally got to use the FP, it's rigidity was immediately apparent. A colleague cut a window in a heavy cast iron angle plate, by "walking" a 1" dia cutter through the 1.25" thick cast iron to produce the window. The cut-out piece we used as a lapping plate. Not a protest was heard from that beautiful machine. Wish I had one! Missed 2 opportunities: 30 years ago one sold at an auction for a reasonable CDN$ 5000, but I couldn't afford it at that time. The economy was brutal in the early 1990's. 15 years or so ago a friend got a quote from the factory for a re-built FP-1 and I think the price was CDN$ 10,000 at that time. Again, to rich for my blood then. There seem to be quite a few for sale in Germany. I wonder what the sea shipment costs would be from Germany to Toronto?

[@gary6411]

Those are very unusual in the US; my FP1 was the first I'd ever seen when I bought it 20ish years ago. It's older than yours, with speeds changed by gears, rather than knobs, and it has the fixed horizontal table. The optical surplus dealer, from whom I bought it, wanted only scrap value, so it cost me $500. Not nearly as tidy as yours, but I am very fond of it. Thanks for your excellent review.

[@Chris-bg8mk]

What a beautiful little milling machine! We should hear it though. I was one who applauded you for muting the sound of the machines and the cuts in your videos, however, I think they should not be completely removed. We're machinists, we LIKE machine noises, especially, I suspect, this little precision beauty!

[@siebeleen3183]

Wow, what a beautiful machine. Now i understand why we have three of these at school. So much versatility. Congrats with the purchase.

[@simonhopkins3867]

I'm just a lowly wood butcher with a tools addiction. All I can say is I want one. What a lovely sized, versatile machine.

[@janhoogesteger4789]

Love the mill, makes my old Bridgeport look clumsy... I believe there used to be a similar Toolroom mill called an Alexander in the UK, only ever seen 1, with few accessories. Great video,Amy thanks

[@tonyhunt1230]

Ran one back in 1973. One of the best mills ever made.

[@70chvlSS]

I managed to toolroom with three of these Fp1s. They are absolute gems and met our needs for the small work precision our customers required. They were utilized 3 to 1 over the Bridgeports in the shop.

[@zooobidooo]

Mostly I have no precise idea what you are talking about, but it’s just a pleasure to be taken along your journey. Gut gemacht !

[@PeteHottois]

If you need a new variable speed pulley or sheaves, Speed Selector makes pulleys that replace the Reeves, Hi-Lo, TB Woods and Lovejoy pulleys that went out of business or got bought. Most are in stock or Speed Selector will custom make if needed. They have an actual engineering department; very helpful.

[@gerritvisser]

Slotting head + 3D printed Martini shaker = Friday night reward for a week of working

[@magicbytes3835]

WOW, what an awesome versatile machine, that's truly wonderful, I really enjoyed watching you show it to us, thanks for sharing, many thanks, cheers from me. 😷

[@wrstew1272]

WoW! Versatility is amazing. Looking forward to seeing projects.

[@Rustinox]

Personally I like more the fp1 with millilg table, so I have a good spot to put my ashtray... Very interesting video, Stefan. Thanks for sharing.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

I found at least a place for my mug 🤣🤣

[@juliankerler7906]

Viel Spaß mit der tollen Maschine. Hab selber eine aus meiner Lehrwerkstatt mitgenommen, inklusive Zubehör und bin jetzt nach 3 Jahren immer noch verliebt 😅 Bin gespannt was ich alles von dir "abschauen" kann. Allgemein danke für die tollen Videos 👍

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Danke für die netten Worte :-) Ich kenn die FP1/FP2/FP3 Maschinen halt auch aus der Lehrzeit und auch allgemein aus der Firma, sind einfach tolle Maschinen - Sicher nicht die besten in der Bauform, aber nichtsdestotrotz sehr gute Maschinen.

[@liviO13]

Welcome to "This Old Tool room" The beginning of it sounded familiar! Lol

[@iveseen1]

An amazing machine,l spent six months of my apprenticeship on this model.Brings back memories of my toolroom experience the sixties.

[@josseman]

I couldn’t wait for this video when I saw your images posted. And as always, you exceeded my expectations. Thank you.

[@giorgiocanal1659]

Like a kid on Christmas morning (genuine envy...). The best hour in the last week. Thanks.

[@crabmansteve6844]

That's an absolutely brilliant machine. It's on my list of unicorns, they don't come up for sale often where I live and when they do they're quite a bit more expensive than I feel like an almost 70yr old machine should be, at least for how used and dogged out most of the ones I've seen are. Yours looks to be in exceptionally good shape.

[@robertstredde6798]

Really nice machine, congrats!! The more I learn about the European style mills, the more I like them. Also, a Deckel deckel. 😂 I love that.

[@ade63dug]

That is a very special machine . so happy for you to have it . so versatile . all I need now is a lottery win and a new house with a massive workshop and I would buy one . Cheers Ade.

[@eastcoastandy2905]

Lovely mill, Stefan. Reminds me of the Schaublin 12 that I ran for years. The outrigger for the horizontal spindle on that could also be used on the dividing head. Rigid too but getting very rare in the condition yours is in. Well done!

[@MyLilMule]

I never knew much about these. The only one I had seen on KZbin was on Rustinox channel. What a versatile and adaptable machine. I can see why they are so popular.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Deckel FP mills in all sizes honestly are probably the most widespread toolroom mills in germany for a good reason :)

[@MyLilMule]

@@StefanGotteswinter It's a shame that these weren't imported in the US in large numbers to make it easier for us to find them! Definitely looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

[@first_namelast_name4923]

Thank you Stefan for inviting us for a visit to see your new mill.

[@HM-Projects]

This has so many features in such a small form factor, I wouldn't know what to do with it. Great little machine, in capable hands. Looking forward to what you're going to be doing with it.

[@manr.9106]

Congratulations Stefan, to the beautiful machine! We had it in our apprentice workshop and it is an amazing toolroom milling machine. I loved working with it.

[@michaeljoiner2503]

I have a new-found pride in my late father's German engineering background, which he seldom spoke about. For some strange reason. Great content as usual Stefan

[@douro20]

And there were the FUW series of machines from UMF Ruhla, which are very similar to a Deckel but somewhat more elaborate.

[@crichtonbruce4329]

I've been very much looking forward to this overview. Thank you Stefan, wonderfully done. I'm impressed by it all, but was surprised how quiet it is!

[@gregdawson1909]

as a fun academic experience my uncle bolted a bridgeport slotter to the spindle of his vertical milling center and used it in conjunction with a 4th axis to generate involute gear teeth. it works quite well, and will cut any conceivable number of teeth or helix angle

[@sourshoes1465]

Thank you for taking the time to produce such an excellent video. It is much appreciated. Subscribed.

[@shiro-r4m]

That's an amazing story on the UPA3 boring head. I have a similar story A local technical school moved locations and auctioned off all their old equipment. Among many things I purchased a pallet of random materials, half finished projects etc. And there it was between the 'garbage', the beautiful black box of a MT3 UPA3 with all of its accessories and no traces of rust. I think I paid 60 EUR for the pallet. Good times!

[@pirminkogleck4056]

Super Nice machine Stefan! i am realy happy that you got a Fp1 because i always wanted to get closer infos about the fp1 and its features. also interesting to see the xtric vise in use . greets from Vienna, Pirmin

[@pjofurey6239]

Enjoyable tour, been looking for many years for the right machine , always a dealer here in England beats me to the good deals.I have a beautiful CenteC 2b I rebuilt long ago, but it’s too small for some jobs. Keep the content coming! Thanks

[@kerkkonenahaima7322]

Thanks for thorough introduction! I had a summer job in mid -90 where I operated with two Deckel mills, can't remember the models. Great machines, but it took quite a while for me to orientate with the axis. One moves the tool and others the workpiece. And leaning back to Bridgeport setup in next job was equally difficult. The powerfeed gearbox was somewhat lottery of directions. And using the fastest speed as rapid movement caused me a few collisions. The drawbar spanner orbits suitably at forehead height if forgotten on the bolt, far more dangerous then lathe chuck key sling. The centring microscope with lamps was superb.

[@andyvan5692]

great machine, Stefan, one reason to put an endmill in that index table is, on the overarm there are leica and Nikon microscope viewers, which industry uses for QC and inspection purposes, or a so called "centering microscope", to use this index vice as a setup fixture for a 4-jaw chuck, for irregular parts, so that time is saved on the lathe, you afix in this rig, inspect the part/cutters, then all is good to run.

[@experimental_av]

Man this is one sweet mill. 'Didn't know i wanted this' kind of thing.

[@Zircon10]

Two things stand out to me, very compact for small parts machining and incredibly versatile. It looks like the Swiss Army knife of milling machines. Also looks to be quite robust. Thanks for the very thorough rundown on capabilities.

[@cruiserphil]

Thanks for this video. I recently purchased an FP1 identical to yours with the same accessories including an adjustable table and various tooling. Looking forward to learning new ways of manipulating it in future videos.

[@jobkneppers]

Great machine Stephan. I have a larger shop with slightly larger work and own a FP2 for 25 years with extended travel in x. They are absolutely the must have milling machine. With the rigid table attached I can hog stainless no problem. The universal table has had it use in my shop too for large angled pieces and as you mentioned it has a rigidity weakpoint but with care and light machining it gets complex parts done. One observation; these machines can be completely operated from the dial side of the machine. When the table is extended in x towards you I think the cabinet next to you will introduce a real tight spot to work in. I like to have more space there. I also own a Mikron WF 1 which has the same footprint as the FP1 but whit much more travel in x and y (400, 250) and is more rigid for heavy removal. Also a machine to recommend to anyone who is considering buying a quality machine from the past. Congratulations for reaching your midlife goal! All the best, Job

[@carlkulyk366]

You have obtained a bucket list/ dream mill. Congratulations Stefan.

[@artmckay6704]

That machine is absolutely amazing! I didn't know that such versatile machines even existed. It's like the Swiss Army knife of machine tools! I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it also had scissors, tweezers, and a magnifying glass. Wow, simply astounding!!! :)

[@markbrowning3163]

The machine is a work of art. The colour of the lamp even coordinates with the machine!

[@razorburn71]

What a beautiful machine. So smooth and quiet.

[@bclare2544]

A very nice addition to the shop Stefan.

[@wilcojuffer5940]

Hello Stefan, the first upde for the FP1 is to replease the moter for a moter that you can referse or a other tap holder, it also so nice when have to make e left gewinder Nice machine the DeckelFP1

[@steinarne79]

That is some serious piece of kit brother! Love to see what you end up producing on it !

[@georgewocosky]

When all else fails , you have INFINITE ADJUSTABIITY ! ! ! Thank you for sharing , I'm certain that many will benefit a great deal .

[@ShevillMathers]

A top quality machine is not really expensive, you only buy it once an No time spent retuning a B quality machine, which eventually gets replaced. This is not a home workshop machine, you do high precision work oh very high quality where time is also important. Congratulations on your purchase. Typical German high quality. Greetings from Tasmania Australia 👍😁🇦🇺🦘

[@wolf310ii]

In the workshop i learned presision mechanic, we had one FP1, two FP2 and one FP4. At this time china import machines for hobby werent that common and even an old worn out FP1 was hard to get and very expensive, very few for sale and everyone wanted one, because the FP1 can be easy moved through every door and with all the accessoires there is almost nothing these machine cant do. I always wanted one, but could never afford one or had no space for it.

[@Timeonabike]

Fantastic. That's my kind of mid-life crisis! Thanks very much for the extensive tour.

[@ABKGRG]

The FP1, still a dream.... Maybe in the future, I will get one...

[@stevenicholas5651]

Awesome! I seen your post about this a few days ago and I've been dieing to see an in depth look at it. Very cool machine! Congratulations on your purchase! This is going to bring you more capability.

[@aubreyaub]

I seed it to. Great machine.

[@richardlincoln8438]

Thank You for Your time and effort.

[@druidnoibn7218]

Beautiful machine and presentation - the name "Rube Goldberg" also comes to mind...in a very nice way of course.

[@MinistryofBrokenEndMills]

Fantastic video with an in depth intro to a great little machine. Now I know to appreciate them:). Cannot wait to see, what you will be doing with it.

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Very versatile machine. I can see why you like it. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

[@neilscully6597]

A great machine. I have a similar age FP1 but with the MT4 spindles which is less easy to find tooling for. I find I use the horizontal spindle mostly

[@kkupsky6321]

He’s done it. We knew he was a metal head but now he’s growing the hair. Don’t stop mate.

[@TomChame]

What an incredible machine!!! Very happy for you, well done.

[@incubatork]

Had there been a shot in the video of you bum I'm sure we would have seen 2 tails comming out of it 😊 I can also tell by your voice that you are so thrilled with the new addition to the shop, I'm pleased for you too and cannot wait till we see it getting put to work with all the posibilities it has having all the additional extras you got with it. I hope it turns out as good as it looks.

[@BruceBoschek]

That is a very nice machine! It will serve you well, I'm sure. I learned to use an FP1 at the Max Planck Institut f. biol. Kybernetik in the early 1970s. The machine was purchased in 1968, iirc. I really loved that machine.

[@CapeCodCNC]

I wish those were more popular here, it's quite a universal machine! Congrats that's a real beauty!

[@glennstasse5698]

Wow, once you get all that set to do an operation you must be hesitant to change it! Seems like you would be tramming vices for days! It also seems like you mastered all the various options and setups in a very short time. I appreciate the stills showing the options, too. Lots of work went into just that. Good luck with it!

[@StamD65]

As usual, Your videos are incredibly informational, a real treasure for somebody who wants to see what a toolroom mill is able to do. Congratulations for the well tooled machine!

[@TurboDog73TX]

Such a Kool and capable mill! I look forward to seeing You put it through it's paces. I wish those were easier to find in the U.S.

[@amundsen575]

super duper versatile mill , you now need a trolley on your ceiling to move accessories on and off. since machine is 3 phase, a DPDT reverse switch on motor terminals U8,V8- simple enough to install for your threading op.

[@haraldwupptich1860]

As fas as I remember, the XY power feeds are driven by the main drive using a gear train, so this would swap the power feed directions also. Kind of tricky to operate a machine this way.

[@amundsen575]

@@haraldwupptich1860 do this if you are the only user of the machine and power feeds in neutral

[@billmaguire6216]

It's so eerily quiet! That's a plus!

[@outsidescrewball]

The Swiss Army Knife machine…never seen one, thanks for sharing

[@FinnoUgricMachining]

Stefan, that FP1 is sure a versatile machine to work with. As You stated, it may also be all too versatile. About the mid life crisis. Usually when a Finnish person has been working for a longer time in Germany, (s)he brings a Mercedes back home thus avoiding the ridiculous Finnish tax and customs. I did not bring a stupid car with me. Instead I took a fully refurbished Weiler Matador.

[@RotarySMP]

Nice machine Stefan.

[@bobweiram6321]

With that reciprocating arm, no wonder they call it a Deckel. It's easy to get decked out by that arm. LOL!

[@stevendephillips2490]

Congratulation's it seems like you have chosen the perfect machine for your type of work. I always liked the Deckel style of machine. I wish there were more of them in the US. When you do find a used one they always sell for top dollar.

[@abacabdk3490]

Nice machine. I think this is the model I used in school for toolmaking, I really liked it.

[@MartsGarage]

It's a lovely machine, Stefan and you have the ability to use it with good effect. A very interesting presenation, thanks for filming it. Mart in England.