Java Bootcamp and then NO JOB!

[@FISS007]

Learning java to do freelance work is like showing up for a lazer game with a real bazuka

[@w1d3r75]

🤣

[@ivanhale8114]

Please explain this...

[@dhavalsavalia]

@@ivanhale8114 yes

[@ernestsakala417]

Java is not your friend it's a huge language

[@ysf2143]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing ?

[@manny27392]

In Europe they literally pay you, and give you a job at the government / big company, for learning angular and spring boot.

[@gj4king1]

Where in europe?

[@oscara9709]

Link to the info or is fake... :D

[@pabloi2735]

In Spain at least is very popular this stack, banks and big companies use it. You can get a job with a good bootcamp in a big 4 "Cárnica IT". They do not pay very well but at least you can get experiencie and get a better job with a few experiencie.

[@pladimir_vutin]

with or without the college cs degree?

[@manny27392]

Pablo i yeah same here in Belgium www.switchfully.com/become-a-developer

[@archiemisc]

The main issue is the fact that HR for most companies automatically filter out resumés that don't have a degree. I would say his best bet is to go through a recruitment agency.

[@ProgrammingWithPax]

Hmm, in my experience, I haven't found that to be true. I didn't have a degree and was completely self taught. When I was first starting out, I applied to 3 jobs per day, for an entire month, and eventually won the numbers game. Perhaps it's based on location. I'd definitely say that if you don't have a degree, then you really need to up your portfolio, as well as interview and social skills.

[@JebacPresretac101]

Maybe in USA, but the real reason is that they get a thousand applicants for a single Java role. All those "automatic filters" dissapear the moment you apply for a thing nobody is prepping for, like being a good frontend guy, or just a frontend guy.

[@mrbrownie1383]

this comment couldnt be further from truth, oh my boi you do not know how real world works at all

[@lourdesm.velandia-calderon3486]

Stephan - Thank you for putting this out. For a mid-lifer starting from zero this is valuable insight because time is of the essence. After watching several of your videos I am leaning towards learning web development and definitely freelancing. So I am taking notes and paying much attention but I still have a lot of questions so I appreciate all the videos that you put out.

[@sapientum8]

From my experience, in enterprise-level IT consulting, it's about 70% people skills and 30% technical skills. And that's a conservative estimate.

[@eli-sv]

This is so important to understand. So glad you’ve talked about this. A lot of people have a big understanding.

[@MrNsaysHi]

misunderstanding * ?

[@dominik-urban]

Heureka! The Ruby joke at 2:50 is only displayed. It‘s getting tougher this time. But founded it. What a relief 😅

[@peli6043]

Great content brotha 👍!!! Keep it going. I have you saved for alerts because in the next month or two I go full force and need someone knowledgeable such as yourself to know the real deal.

[@StefanMischook]

Thanks!

[@algeriennesaffaires7017]

I faced the same problem 4 years ago after lerning java and python, thats why i and learned learned php and JavaScript and html css, but still after 3 years cant get a job even i have an associate degree, the problem is these bootcamps and course sellers are scammers its a new scamming way now, everyone is creating courses and bootcamps and selling fake dreams

[@milovanmilovanov2598]

well something is wrong with your skills then. 3 years is alot of time. Either you dont have whatsoever portfolio to show, or you have major gaps in your knowledge

[@guitarman813]

I unfortunately am finding myself in the same position now. As well as in the past. As Stefan says, large national and multi-national corporations never hire candidates with zero or little experience, regardless if they have a technical degree or not. Even for "junior" positions. From their perspectives, one has to understand that these types of businesses have huge pressures on their shoulders to deliver on their work. So because of that, hiring an individual who is seen as being very raw or green is a big risk for them. Even if that particular candidate does possess some very good skills. And in the latest technologies, such as Spring Boot and React/Angular. It is therefore best if one is in the above position applies for jobs in small-medium sized businesses. These businesses not only would be more accepting of candidates with less experience. But may also be able to provide them with more support when compared to larger corporations. Which despite the latter category's top-level training, expect new hires to simply get on with things and deliver the moment that they walk through the door and join the company. So yes, keep learning important technologies used in business. Like the list above. But be very realistic on which companies to apply for. This is even more important now considering the COVID-19 pandemic. Where many companies have reduced staff and so have fewer and fewer positions available for experienced candidates. Let alone new hires!

[@HCforLife1]

True. Currently in the UK I see only few new web dev job posting in my area. There was only 3 junior ones past month... Compared to before it is like few times less posting. What is worst - if we talk about junior positions - it is probably 10 times less at best. Sad

[@guitarman813]

@@HCforLife1 I'm based in the UK too. In between London and Cambridge. So we can both relate to the above.

[@alfonsoramirezelorriaga1153]

From your comment I understand that midsized companies or even startups don't use Java as their backend language but rather trendy technologies Node, PHP or Django? Would it be true to say that as a self taught developer one have more chances to get a position in a startup or midsized company or the prospects to get a job are as bad for self taughts as in enterprise??

[@silverfullbuster9177]

​@HCforLife1 what are you currently doing then? Freelancing... And is your speciality more in frontend or backend?

[@sajanah1253]

This is a very important video for newbies like me Stefan. I literary started learning coding with Java and then Spring. But I turned to learning python and JS because they had more openings and opportunities. Nobody talks about this.. What to learn as a self-taught newbie to ease into the market.

[@chiedudavid9837]

With your experience. What path is preferable?

[@SarFirraEdits]

Javascript for full stack or MERN stack or just frontend jobs. Python for Data Analyst, Data engineer and Data science jobs. These 2 languages, right now, if i can oversimplify just by saying, *PAYS FOR YOUR BILLS AND FOR YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER AND YOUR BELLY AND FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SPEND YOUR PRECIOUS BLISSFUL TIMES WITH YOUR FAMILY* Java?? After learning the above 2.if you have that inner desire to learn it no matter what and beat your head everyday on the wall to finally be able to acquire another skill and to earn big $$$ chunks from Side projects through freelancing then Yes, learn it but not now. Learn Javascript and if you get chance learn Python. Do this 1st then switch to another language and do this *ASAP* because A.I has come to dismantle you that's why i also suggested you to learn Python for Future Data jobs

[@lumdermaku]

There's something very important that is missing from that question: location of where he lives/where he applied to work in. This is highly important since at least where i live, if you're moderately skilled in the stack the guy "studied", at least you'll get an internship from one of the biggest (well, among-highest paying) companies here, which is a branch of a company from Germany (that uses similar stack for a full-stack position - they refer to it as software engineer for some reason). If you prove yourself for a couple of months, they'll offer you a job as a junior dev. This is the case with most (if not all) software dev companies here where i live (not a 3rd world country but not highly developed anyway), there are also 3 branches of US companies (that i'm aware of) that also pay higher than normal for a full stack position (nodejs, react js, postgresql,...etc, you get the point). CS/CE degree will definitely guarantee in this case that you'll get an internship but without a degree, if you have done some projects to prove that you at least know the basics of what you studied in that bootcamp, you'll most likely get an internship that will lead to a job.

[@igorpavlenko411]

Hmm interesting point, I was gonna go to Bootcamp in Germany that teaches Java & Spring - Ubiqum (i believe), but instead chosen one in Prague that teaches mostly PHP and some Js. I was afraid that 3 months was not gonna be enough and I will also be expected to have SE degree. Funny thing is that they teach PHP and Laravel and local CZ market is using PHP with their local CZ framework NETTE, and they barely touch on React, so i go lucky that i Studied prior to Bootcamp on my own that helped me to land a job as React Developer otherwise would be quite interesting situation for me LOL.

[@ysf2143]

Is "Information Technology" degree equivalent to CS/CE degree ?

[@Allaboutdatps3]

Glad this was posted, was in the midst of learning java and pursuing a boot camp for it. JavaScript it is.

[@angular-developer-e1t]

I am looking at Bootcamp advertizing in my country now. "For two weeks You will study Java, Spring, Angular, MySql". Are you serious ? You don't need to be a big expert to understand that this is fake training. $ 1,000 for what ?

[@ouss]

2:46 ruby joke

[@Scarsofevil]

I don't understand why Ruby is hated so much, it is still widely used in Cali and Seattle.

[@AshikaUmanga]

Can you do a video on Data Engineering. Technologies like Apache Spark,Hadoop, Presto, Snowflake, Druid,Dremio, Datalakes, Delta-lakes, Streaming technologies like Flink, Kafka , Pulsar..etc

[@badkar7523]

Im working directly in financial institution where they are using java and spring Technologies for their apps. So in the interview i told them im coding with C# and dot net and they said that's ok we have some apps so your akills will be valuable but u can learn java and spring in preparation time. Till this moment i haven't done any java codes for my company but i do coding in my free time for prototyping and testing. Why? Because my company deeling with vendors to do the coding and we as direct staff we do DevOps, continuous integration and troubleshooting. And that's helps me alot. So for those who have a java spring training but still didnt get a job in big companies, i suggest you to find a job with software company (vendors) who are deeling with big company. And once they see your valuable skills they will hire you.

[@RocketVet]

I started out with basic HTML years ago, then picked it back up again and learned how to make WordPress websites. I made dozens of them working as a web designer and social media guy for a print and marketing company locally but was barely making more money than someone making starting wage at Wal-mart. Covid happened, looked like I was going to lose my job anyway so I took on more freelance video editing and graphic design work, signed up for a well known online bootcamp and am currently learning Javascript for frontend, various frameworks, (already through the HTML and CSS parts), and backend for Full Stack. This video doesn't help my worries I won't be able to find work again. This is my second career hop. Years ago I tried getting into personal training - got certified, interned under a mentor, then couldn't get a job anywhere within a 100 miles because every gym or business wanted someone with a degree in Kinesiology (I have no degree at all). After burning through my entire savings trying to get my own training business going while having no income at the time and things hitting a dead end when I wasn't allowed to train clients anywhere near me due to exclusivity clauses at the gyms with in-house trainers that was the end of that. I luckily landed the web design job through a family friend a few weeks before I would have lost everything. Fast forward to now and I've used a huge portion of my savings to go through boot camp to have some credential other than "self taught" on my resume. Thankfully I have income this time during the process but I'm worried it's going to be another repeat of the job search before with my degree-less self. I'm also 35 years old, will be 36 years old by the time I'm job hunting and I'm told that most employers will skip over me by many people I've talked to.

[@dirtyblankets]

Steer away from "tech" career path. It's over saturated and will only get worse.

[@RocketVet]

@@dirtyblankets So go back to shoving recyclables back into a vertical baler and driving box truck? Or back to when I worked in freezing temps 15 hours straight each night in a frozen foods factory hand loading garbage food products into packages? No thanks. I may be a strong dude but I'd rather use brainpower for my job and be able to express creativity and logical thinking than just be valued for my ability to lift things up.

[@tyrantula767]

Any updates?

[@GodsNode]

Good point. I've been flat out told by a hiring manager for an analyst role "yeah when I worked at Capital One we had an automatic filter if you had a Computer Science degree or not".

[@wilkyarny3012]

With time and the increase of data, I think there's gonna be a need for all firms to have a really good backend infrastructure to support the big data management and Java is here for the purpose. having a really good background in those technologies is not a waste of time. For small business it would be in a near future a blasting skill for them. They are in need of growth and they will come around with big data challenges sooner or later. For instance migration from mysql to Hadoop environment to store unstructured data would be in demand or fetching Api from mongodb with spring boot also would be a great deal for companies who are willing to growth accordingly to the market needs.

[@nicbarnaby]

Stef, you always dispense the hard truth. Thanks for helping us the see the real development world.

[@abeplus7352]

Pick up Php and , nodejs / typescript . More hipster or trendy starter languages. Those land you free lance jobs most of the time. Php is always important because almost any server out there will still run dynamically templated php. So it's good to be skilled at that Edit Also lots of companies that are moving to new products are using different languages

[@guled669]

Java and Angular are good combination though, that's a good tech stack right there however I have not heard bootcamp teaching java it's usually javascript or ruby. Personally I think the guy should start marketing what he learned. For example did he learn some design pattern while doing Java like DDD bring that up in the interviews. This a good channel btw

[@gamystation]

thanks for you comment but i can not understand what do you mean by DDD thanks

[@pkrockin3923]

@@gamystation domain driven development

[@Meritumas]

anwar bourja domain driven design

[@ilpazzo1257]

I think the most important part is looking what's going on in the local market actually, here in my region in northern Italy it looks like every job offer requires Angular and no degrees at all. I counted the technologies that up on about 50 offers, Angular and the web trio were the top.

[@stanleyextra2812]

Java...too SERIOUS!! Top Enterprise level Languages: 1.Java(the granddaddy of Enterprise level languages) 2.C++ 3.C# 4.Scala 5.Not Ruby

[@igorsmart8078]

I was working on a python project at huge enterprise (as a contractor). And c++ is not used much, at least for a backed. C# (.net) is very popular, yes.

[@xKhfan213x]

C++ is number 1 just so you know. Yes direct use would be java but looking at the tools and languages they use, those are mostly built in c/c++. While yes java is more directly used by big enterprises, c/c++ is the back bone to almost everything they use.

[@tombert512]

I work for one of the big "brand name" tech companies, doing Java (unfortunately), and I can vouch that it's probably smarter to start with a more "hipster" language. It's certainly not going to hurt anything to know Java, learning a new language is never a waste of time, but it's good to have another few languages at your disposal to play with when starting out. Getting good with JavaScript, Python, or even Go (if you want a static language) will help a lot when you're starting out. Once you have experience, it's a lot easier to transition to one of the big heartless megacorps.

[@stefanmischook5827]

Java made me a muuuch better developer.

[@tombert512]

@@stefanmischook5827 I'm not going to lie, I personally really hate Java, and I learned it kind of late after learning a bunch of hipster languages like JavaScript and Go and Haskell and Clojure and a bunch of other ones, so I don't know how much better of a developer it made me That said, I think there's value in learning virtually any language, if for no other reason than to see if you *like* working in that language. If you don't like working in Java, you're probably not going to be a very good Java developer (and the same applies to JS, PHP, Go, Swift, etc..).

[@elderofzion]

java/spring/mysql/angular is a winning stack. 4 super popular techs. but you have to start small. bunch of companies don't even believe in full stack developers with 0 years of experience.

[@zweekendworrior]

I'm not sure I'd go the WordPress Shopify route these days. Learn react, learn node, learn aws, have your main machine run Linux and try to live in the terminal. Get comfortable automating with bash. You'll have a job before you finish learning these.

[@igorsmart8078]

Why everyone saying to be fullstack. We have plenty of pure frontend(angular, react) jobs in Ukraine. In my personal expirience serious projects for big companies usually have backend devs and separetly frontend devs in teams. Not a bunch of fullstack devs.

[@sepehrmohseni8215]

May I add something to that comment on Google and Apple realising that degrees are "not that important". Although they say degree is not important but if you check their hiring ads right now, they all require bachelors or masters or PhD. Some sh*ty jobs don't require any degree.

[@simplepycodes]

Exactly.

[@elvissabanovic6796]

Good knowledge of Java will open up a lot of doors, it will be much easier to learn new OOP language.

[@SXsoft99]

You forgot to add "big business can hire you if you have relationships"

[@mr_wormhole]

This was the comment when i looked for.(this is 99% truth of an enterprise)

[@mr_wormhole]

@Peter Mortensen I can name 3-5 companies that i can tell to you. Sector and Geographical location? banks,telecommunication companies. size 100+ London/UK, size 500+ Istanbul/TR. Mostly java based enterprise dinosaurs. Sounds corrupt? welcome to humanity where whole are blinded and corrupted by infinite greed. You have skills but no strong relationships? enjoy the injustice. Those dinosaurs will be slained one day(companies(or ancient technologies) don't last forever)

[@JebacPresretac101]

@Peter Mortensen As Talha said, having a connection in a Java company is sometimes a requirement just to get an interview, or at least past HR interview. Too many Java applicants, and 10 to 50 times less applicants for things like frontend dev in Europe. It also basically guarantees employment unfortunately... a java insider connection.

[@santyclos1302]

What if I have a degree in MIS (Management Information Systems)? Does that make it easier to get a job in Java or am I still going to be stuck with JS HTML and CS?

[@chrissabre1761]

DONT study Java and spring , one of THE top two in-demand languages in the world...oook.

[@gokhantaylan8219]

What a great pin point question like clean head shot :)

[@janjanusz8271]

3:50 Any link to this research about 0 impact of degree?

[@mele2904]

His last tip is probably the most important and it applies to almost all jobs that require you to interact with people.

[@vitols21]

I feel like you forgot to mention one thing - sometimes big corps provide internship for java or any other technology they need. I know that it's not the best way to start in terms of money but it is great experience and after some time it is easy to get higher.

[@mr_wormhole]

Internship for java spring boot role is no different than being a slave in 1800s. Highly avoid it

[@pkrockin3923]

You better off self-studying beforehand instead of applying in a bigcorp only to be "trained" in a school-style environment for 3 months with/without pay then apply for a decent small-to-medium company that will not treat you as a mere number.

[@kaylove4507]

Most of the time internships were acquired that you have a bachelor's degree. Sometimes they won't even look at you if you don't have a degree

[@olixz]

It's what annoys me that you look at all these bootcamps and you never see any PHP! I studied it at Uni. The job market here in the north of England seems to be .NET and laravel heavy.

[@guitarman813]

Like you, I studied PHP when I was at university, alongside Java. The latter is certainly a big language. As well as Javascript. Especially where I'm based in England, (in between London and Cambridge).

[@nooruddin7129]

Hello I'm currently completing CS bachelor's in Canada , and I'm giving extra effort on Java , so will be hard to find a job after University? 😟

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

Learn Swift and write apps for iPhone. Second choice will be Kotlin.

[@grenadespoon]

5 years ago I was able to get a java job out of a boot camp and I don’t have a degree. Now I work for a huge company after a couple of job changes.

[@latinace1981]

It's called luck

[@tanvirashraf728]

I love this comment so much that i m going to take a screenshot of it...

[@MattDuarte11]

It can happen though. I got a job at a big company out of boot camp but it was the MERN stack. Though yeah Stef is still right.

[@houssemhcini1139]

in many cases big companies create their own tools throught subcontracting and then the smaller companies and start up comes into the play

[@JMa-cg1ks]

Hi Stef, can you do a video on salary negotiations?

[@davide4607]

Yup. This should be talked about a lot more than it is. Every CS grad on the planet knows Java. You are competing with millions of CS grads if you try to enter the Java space. If you want the best chance of getting a job without a degree go with HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and React on the frontend and PHP and MySQL on the backend.

[@simplyballing1592]

Why not get the necessary degree though?

[@davide4607]

@@simplyballing1592 Who said don't get a degree?

[@pladimir_vutin]

by experience I tell you that every 1 out of 100 grad students actually understands anything about java. the most professionals and highly knowledgeable don't know why something happens or what it even exactly does. they just know how to write some code pieces one after the other and search the problem on stack overflow. This is the type of knowledge and understanding they're developing. I have been in this spectrum for the last three years, and I can tell you the most professional of them ( being the last semester with perfect notes ) can't understand soem basics of java. I've been reading about this topic and turns out at least in Europe, students don't think for a second that their degree has helped them and has taught them an impractical useless bunch of stuff without touching the needed and the main topics on surface. And even if they do, what you get at best, is but a stack of techs needed to work in companies and corporates, and I don't think I need to explain what kind of hell that would be...

[@simplyballing1592]

@@pladimir_vutin Even in medicine there are graduates who don't know the concepts very well. Not everyone who graduates from whatever university is a superstar in that field. Point is getting the degree shows employers that the person had the discipline to undergo tests and exams in order to learn the concepts at a fundamental level at least. If I had an electrical problem at my house. Why would I want to hire someone who refused to study the field at an institution. It makes no sense

[@ez_mod]

That was golden advice. Java jobs require cs degrees.

[@m.m.4589]

I disagree, I haven't any computer science degree and working o java spring at enterprise level, started with internship,, but it's in Italy, maybe else where is more difficult

[@chevalier5691]

I'm in southeast asia where foreign companies usually outsource IT talents. Pretty sure 80% require a degree.

[@FedorSTR]

It`s like opening your eyes. Hey Buddy, this is not your train!

[@shantanushekharsjunerft9783]

I agree with most of you said. However if I was a hiring manager I would hire someone like this in a heartbeat. A candidate such as this shows initiative and is hungry to learn and prove. A manager without technical background would not do that. So in my opinion the candidate should target companies where managers have more technical bent and can teach someone new.

[@sheenismhaellim2215]

@2:40: stay away with bootstrap and vuejs? if did I misunderstood that part.

[@stefanmischook5827]

No. Bootstrap and Vue are cool.

[@waelltifi-2023]

this comment right here will save the new beginners who wanna go into coding alot of time because it's the no BS straight answer that will trigger alot of nerds who don't know people have a life and want money mond enjoy nerdiness : java is only relevant because some big companies are working with it since 3 decades !!! else , it's really not good of a language in this age , there's only 2 important languages now : python and javascript ( and choose a framework ) then you can move on to C# , or php maybe ( i am a php dev but i don't think it's a good way to go now , same as java but at least it's easy ) ... learning C++ is good too to expand your opportunities ... there's also kotlin if you want to get into mobile developement ... do not even try to learn any other language before those , unless there's a job ready for you in a certain language ...

[@orlovskyconsulting]

Wix and squarespace are cool! People, try it out you will be amazed!

[@orlovskyconsulting]

@Peter Mortensen oh come on.

[@MiserableDuck95]

You nailed it!

[@sam.ammatouri]

Thanks Stefan for this video, it is indeed informative. I have a question; would you think, from your perspective, that Oracle certification such as OCA or OCP would support?

[@frankokonkwo3662]

Hey I love your videos, I wanted to know if your python course consists of exercises that we would have to do ourselves ?

[@alfonsoramirezelorriaga1153]

I have heard in other forums that big companies do hire graduates from bootcamps and even sef taught developers. This guy Clement from Algo expert is a bootcamp graduate for example who worked at FB and Google. I am thinking of learning Java/spring as my second backend language exactly because I want to work in a big enterprise so will I be wasting my time learning Java or even learning programming by myself??

[@kingdomVI]

Clement has a bachelor's degree dude is a math genius fuck you on about lul.

[@doweensbwambale]

what about Java + Javascript+ jquery ? Do I need a CS degree if am learning Java ?

[@dariuselijah9277]

4:12 No it takes them two irrelevant meetings to convince themselves their waste of oxygen is worth the salaries they get. Not gonna trash corporate companies since I know friends who work in pretty well disciplined and interesting ones. But hot diggity damn son, those bank-y Goldman Sachs tech companies give me heebee jeebees.

[@matari_ganan]

thank you sir! 🙏🎩 you mentioned CMS's like wordpress, drupal, et al. when i've looked at the want ads, I've also seen demand for e-commerce like Magento, Woocommerce & Shopify. Is there anything you would recommend a beginner to learn e-commerce?

[@programming2249]

I made a dating profile and wrote all over it about my boot camp certificate, but no girls have messaged me yet. Are they intimidated by my education?

[@petersteenkamp]

Strange. The typical dating site will send you some fake matches from fake girls in order to trick you into becoming a paying member.

[@Antnierv]

Does this apply to c# as well? I feel like some smaller businesses actually use c# around me as opposed to java

[@notgay27]

Hey Stefan! Great video as always! Do you know what types of tech stacks are the most vulnerable to being outsourced? (I’m in the USA)

[@justinhinchliffe2355]

Well done Stefan for turning a negative (question) into a positive (answer). Expertly done and once again a positive contribution to the world. Keep on keeping on man. :-)

[@sogood_mixing]

You can absolutely get a job studying Java/Spring. A bit pessimistic

[@moody54324]

Hey, a ques came to my mind. What do you think ? Is it better to learn for freelancing prospective or learn things related to big companies? Especially students .

[@ramodsasanga6169]

What about android development?

[@dsinghr]

Java is being used in all the enterprises. There is absolutely no dearth of work if you can code in java.

[@MikeCatrone]

I started learning Java to do some native android development. But without a degree should I maybe just look into react/react native maybe instead?

[@Kwisatsoundman]

I'm not an Android app dev myself, but if you're specifically into native Android app development, nowadays you might want to learn Kotlin at least as much as Java, because Kotlin officially became the 'de facto' language for creating new Android apps. Although you'll probably also have to maintain older apps running both languages at the same time. Going the React route might be more safe in case you would still not be sure what to choose between mobile dev and frontend web dev. I'd say with React you can't really loose, because even if you happen to focuse on native mobile apps at the end, being familiar with React Native for hybrid app development is a valuable skill to have and would allow you to broaden your target as a freelancer.

[@marcelosilveira7079]

Doesn't the new react native allow you with just one code create native apps for iOS and Android and Mac and windows ?? Just saw it this week. Major news for coding in 2020.

[@Hallo503]

Does the same apply to C#? I am very sad to hear this, though it is probably true, and so many things you can do with java, but without the proper teaining, which takes at least a year, it is impossible to find job at big corp

[@milovanmilovanov2598]

big corpoare never good idea if you ask me they dont value people, everybody would be expandable with the blink of an eye, fuck them! There are plenty of small group companies which is the better option

[@cab4465]

Why is java only used by big companies/corps, and not smaller ones?

[@-boiadeiro-]

because its hard to maintain, code writing is very slow and u need a lot of testing

[@cedM246]

I went to a bootcamp that taught those technologies with no degree. I have a government security clearance so I was able to get a job based on that.

[@rayb5204]

Contact a temp to hire placement agency.. I have a friend that does Java that only does temp positions. Project will last a few months...then he takes a few weeks off then gets another temp position, and...yes....he makes BANK

[@Meritumas]

Java + Scala for contract jobs in the financial industry. Python too!

[@faustomatagalpa]

Hello. Saludos Master 💪

[@Hallo503]

I read one Big book about C# development every month. Is it enough to get me hired by a company, in about 10 months of studying?

[@xtrailz]

No. You need to do stuff, and not just read books.

[@taab84]

You need more practice and real experience

[@carlosp.3190]

I don't have a computer science degree, i have been learning Java since January and planing to continue my learning until ~December to have at least 1 year of learning but this video generates me dudes... Life is not easy.

[@juancarlosaguilarlopez9252]

Competition is something you should be aware of, a plethora of people want to get into a programming job. So it would be the same situation if you choose another programming language like JavaScript, or C sharp. So stick with java, and produce something meaningful.

[@carlosp.3190]

@@juancarlosaguilarlopez9252 Yes, maybe try to be competent in Java (or try to have a better Java portfolio than people with cs degress) is a better option than have less level in other languages. Thanks for the feedback Juan Carlos.

[@-boiadeiro-]

start with some CS course, its very improtant too!

[@carlosp.3190]

@Peter Mortensen Sorry for my english, it generates me doubts / i feel insecure

[@tanvirashraf728]

@Carlos P. so what is your situation now? Are you making a living with your java / spring skill now? I am through same doubt you were through 2 years back

[@GoodGuy374]

I am working for small.. err somewhat medium size company as developer.. we have about 500 people working across 5 plants and corporate office and yet we have very few IT people. HR in our company is incredibly ignorant and dumb. they have no idea what kind of technology or skill is expensive one and which one is not. they expect me to do everything from helpdesk work to server management over VMWare, windows server, HMI, MES + develop all interface, programs. It is amazing how stupid they are and they think application development or server/system management are same level as helpdesk role. I have been working here since I lacked enterprise level experience up till now but I will soon quit this damn job and move on. I can't wait to see how they will face reality soon after I am gone. lol. Good luck for them trying to find guy with CS degree + 5+ years of experience on server, software development with front end/back end development, networking, HMI, database management etc and willing to do all of that + helpdesk on 24 hours standby for under 70k. I would not have worked here if I had some experience I can put on resume.. my last 4 years with this company was nightmare but I endured it since I could get hands on experience on wide area. If I didn't have prior knowledge on these, I would not have survived here. Anyway, even before covid-19, I haven't seen any company who would hire anyone with no prior enterprise level experience even if they have CS degree. IT field is just so damn hard to hop on.. I guess it will be hard to get a job even at geek squat if you have CS degree + multiple certs as you will be overqualified for them and yet not qualified for proper enterprise level job. :(

[@cd78]

Nothing surprise's me any more in this field. I built 3 or 4 quality applications (one of which gets used by thousands daily) and I still cant get a role. Employers only interested in making you sit silly little tests. Move to construction folks. Web dev is fucked

[@thomas-sinkala]

You often get treated differently when you don't have a degree despite your skills. Even companies who say they hire academic level do same. Like, does my code run with my degrees?

[@johnnydoamaral]

A bootcamp of Java only would already be a waste of time because there’s no way you can learn all you need to effectively program in Java in a bootcamp (concurrency, Java EE, etc). And then this dude got also Spring, Angular, MySQL, MongoDB. Spring and Angular would also need a bootcamp of their own. My advice for this guy is that if he just want to land a dev job then stick to Stefan’s advice. Now if he really wants to go the enterprise development way, the “shortest” path would be to prepare to get a Java certification because to pass that exam he will really need to have a solid understanding of the Java API and will help him attest he has what is needed for the job, even with no experience (for a junior position of course).

[@sergekozlov9876]

Thanks

[@njabulob373]

This means that the advice that one should study the tech stacks that's needed in the job market has some limitations. In South Africa, there's a lot of Java Developer jobs for big corporations but since I'm self-taught and no experience chances are I'll miss out on those jobs. A more viable solution or advice then, should be study front end techs, find a job, and then work your into the big corporates should you wish.

[@howtopassthat]

hey, I am in the same boat as you how did it work out for you. Even now Java is used by big businesses and big corporations it's like there is no chance of getting in without a degree or experience most of these companies offer internships to graduates only and they make it mandatory I am even thinking of switching to the pure front end for now since front end they take anything regardless of degree here in ZA

[@forgottenjamroom9824]

So why doesn't he build projects for the small business with those technologies

[@sherzod7788]

Im also learning Java, I don't have a degree in computer science, Stefan you are demotivating me 😐 But good thing is the place where i live, demand for Java is pretty high 😊 Where are these people now who are talking about in programming, language doesn't that much matter?

[@simplyballing1592]

If you're serious about Computer Science why not go get your degree?

[@sherzod7788]

@@simplyballing1592 im working and learning java at the same time. Im 30 years old already. I can't quit my job and spend another 4 years to get a degree.

[@pladimir_vutin]

are you by any chance in Europe?

[@simplyballing1592]

@@sherzod7788 Education doesn't discriminate. You can be any age and learn/study. Swizz Beats was about 35 years old when he started studying at Harvard University for his MBA. Kim Kardashian is about 40 and she's currently studying to become a lawyer. A computer science degree from a good university will always be worth it. It shows employees that you're a hardworking person who's not always looking for the easy way out

[@simplyballing1592]

@@sherzod7788 You can get your degree part time and some universities offer the program online. In this day and age there are no excuses

[@levonminasian6090]

Hey Stef! Nice video, always watching with pleasure. Do you mean that in order to get a Java developer job at a big tech company(these vacancies exists only there) I need to have a work experience in a small business working with lighter technologies like js, python, php? Now I'm preparing for my first interview as a Junior Java developer and I need to know, maybe I should go in other direction...

[@omarhosny6947]

What did you do?

[@levonminasian6090]

​@@omarhosny6947 Hello man. Thanks for your interest. Actually, I've learned a little bit of frontened stuff, built pet project(both fronted and backend). And then I got a 3-month internship offer(that's was easy) after which I could work as a Junior Java Developer. I think html and css knowledge helped me gaining the offer(I was aked questions about it). But I'll say you can stop learning it when your knowledge is enough to build simple modern webiste using it. So, if you want to become a Java programmer, then I recommend you learning frontend stuff(basic level is more than enough). Gaining all this knowledge takes nothing more than 2 days of full-time work.

[@benzflynn]

We don't know what the extent of the bootcamp proficiency was, so that's one thing to be clarified. I'll assume that they learned an adequate amount of desktop Java, including making remote database calls from Java code plus the basics of SQL/MySQL databases. Let's say that the bootcamper wants to remain using Java so as to get their money's worth from it. And (most important, this) let's say they like the big organization environment and feel that, workwise, they are at home in this milieu. If not - just forget Java and learn Node.js or Python! To get a job without a degree using Java, they need some respectable projects to show off - and they may not have this right now. Trying to learn Ent Java or Spring Boot is not easy on your own. You always need a real-life goal to the project to focus your efforts and other people's critical input to make it all workable and presentable. One route for them is to sign up as a volunteer coder on some Java backend project where they'll implement and test Java code for an application designed by more senior people. In return for their donated work more experienced team members will help them learn other aspects of development. It's important to be positive towards the end goal of the project as there is no pay for this work - for anyone in the team - and the end goal is what brings the whole team together. Not all Java back end projects are for millions of users. Sometimes projects are Java backended because the database is very complex or the security requirements are strict. So you've got to go on the socio-professional offensive and look for target projects where you can make initially modest contributions but learn more as you go along.

[@ziwang]

Java bootcamp? that doesn't sound like a good idea. Usually Java jobs require a degree.

[@StefanMischook]

You got it!

[@ziwang]

Stefan Mischook haha i just realized you already explained everything in the video. i commented before watching lol.

[@milovanmilovanov2598]

@@ziwang that's a complete freak show, it seems like a stock market in wallstreet, like every person is stressed the fuck out over something that they choose to learn because they like it, i suppose?! FUCK the big companies, FUCK doing what you dont like, you invested alot of time and effort into learning programming and then still not doing what you like? (gosh....). All im saying is it shouldnt be a burden and if it is! I feel sorry for you, better not work as programmer , AT ALL! If you don't enjoy what you do, or you dont like the projects or the company you're working for, it simply ain't worth it!

[@aleksandarstanisic1848]

master degree no job...

[@MdWahidurRahmanOvi]

Very true

[@mr_wormhole]

Stefan is right. Java enterprises only hire people from greedy oracle(pay fuck ton of money here) and stupid references(the colleagues refer someone with a graduate degree, not necessarily a proficient developer) and stay away from ruby :D

[@donDan94]

dear friend, what do you mean by "stay away from ruby" ?

[@mr_wormhole]

@@donDan94 dead ecosystem, total dictatorship, ruined by egomaniac DHH scrutinizing developers, no backward compatibility, constant shrinking market, just go learn python or something else

[@abhilashtu3653]

Nice video 👌👍. I'm a computer science student, and i have a lot of friends in it. But i realise that some of them are making a very good effort in learning and knowing new things, like my self, but there are also others whose don't like this field but sticking to it just for a degree. There are pretending to be curious and enthusiast, but deep inside there mind best mark in exams are the only goal. Could you make a video about these guys? (Just give them a hand, so they can also start being just like you)

[@ravipun9047]

1999 called it wants its Java back

[@davidbasil2727]

Php for freelance, c# net for corporations. That's it

[@cmbuffa]

if i need to build from scratch, i would use asp.net core (c#) even for freelance jobs, it is really easy and powerfull

[@torki7189]

4:15 haralious 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheMidnightGarnet]

LONG LIVE RUBY/ RAILS!!!!

[@violent_bebop9687]

The government needs to open up the economy now, or we'll all be out of work.

[@Trazynn]

That guy from Code Foundry keeps telling everyone to learn Java.

[@_tsu_]

He's simping for C# these days

[@dakoderii4221]

The only thing worse is Ruby Bootcamp and no job! 😎🤣

[@guled669]

I do think if you have solid foundation in ruby on rails, you are mostly likely succeed than the other person that learned node.js only Rails teaches you good convention for building web apps and this something that shouldn't be overlooked for example how to structure your app, rails ships with forms builders, error-handling and first class support for testing. All this vs do everything yourself and not to mention security flaws and beside if you can't find a job as ruby developer you could easily transfer your skills to some other OOP language or MVC framework out there.

[@rolanddecasa4438]

need to nerd ~ Stef :)

[@garrettkensler451]

None of you or Stefan have a real answer to why this guys doesn't have a job in his field of study. Lets face it, getting a job doing what you want to do is pretty much like winning the Lottery. The chances are a little better than the lottery but it is a crap shoot all the same.

[@leisiyox]

First comment and... Angular? no wonder why tho lol

[@toms5048]

yeah its time to just give up coding lol if u dont have a degree youre screwed especially with covid19.

[@simplyballing1592]

You don't have to give up if coding is what you want to do. Continue coding and get into a good Computer science program at a good university