｢Stellaris｣ Origins Tier List 3.0 - All Origins Explained!

[@dai8401]

I'm fairly sure that the guarantied primitives are force to spawn with 8-9 pops, and not up to 24.

[@Stefan_Anon]

Just did a dozen trial runs, and it does seem like 8-9 pops is guaranteed now. I'll pin your comment for visibility. EDIT: I sifted through all of the patch notes since 2.8.1 and the announcement of the change IS NOT THERE. Looks like there was a stealth nerf to necrophage at some point before 3.0.3.

[@CaliberX7]

I noticed this as well. I've never seen more than 9 pops in 3.0 while I used to get 20+ regularly.

[@trutherx3440]

your wisdom is great senpai of the void but can speak a bit slower for all non individuals born in the English Empire pls?

[@SleepyOwley]

I have seen 24 pops a few times, but the last time I played I got the Pikiki Ti event next door so 50 free pops. I play Purifier Necrophage and as long as I win the first war it just snowballs forever.

[@facehugger8995]

because of that i think these should be put to A tier at least honestly even b tier

[@oskarsosinski6375]

"you probably won't find more tomb worlds in your area anyway" haha armageddon bombardment goes brrr

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

That's one solution. Some might say, the Final Solution

[@weebmcdonald8834]

@@ChaoticNeutralMatt I see what you did there

[@DSiren]

@@weebmcdonald8834 Dreams fade away as all hope turns to dust.

[@PerfectAlibi1]

Worm in waiting goes brrrrr. :D

[@Bars1kTheCaT]

I wish it did. Bombarding a world into a tombworld takes a ton of time with your fleet attached to a planet

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

Post-Apocalyptic does have one very useful meta function: it allows Purifiers and Crisis factions to armageddon-bomb planets into tomb worlds and still conquer them.

[@JabberwockOclock]

The best kind of terraforming!

[@lilithkitsune7152]

Tbh I wish it just gave tombworld preference, then it would at least allow you to colonise all worlds you come across at a good habitability

[@ShamanMcLamie]

@@lilithkitsune7152 That's what I was thinking. If your species can thrive on a post-Apocalyptic hell scape, living on any other type of planet should be a breeze. Maybe ensure a habitability of 80, or higher on all other world would really boost the origin.

[@mattblack3813]

Exactly, it’s great flavour for a warlike empire or fanatic purifiers too

[@JabberwockOclock]

@@lilithkitsune7152 It actually used to do that back when it was a civic and origins didn't exist.

[@mikolaj2698]

Wait a moment. Paradox nerfed "Prosperous Unification" by adding a timer but forgot to do same for "Lost Colony" LOL

[@theshiveringveil145]

It's fair imo, unification was overplayed as a rush origin in multiplayer, while colony is more of a roleplay one and doesn't provide more starting pops. What they forgot is to buff syncretic evolution after making necrophage, which is literally better in every way.

[@mr.gaster1310]

Unification day is a recent event in the game that provides a temporary economy boost while colonial spirit is the empire’s traditions and values passed down by ancestors, so it makes sense there is no timer

[@AdmiralTails]

Probably because with Lost Colony, that modifier is essentially all you get, none of the pops or districts Prosperous Unification gets, and because you don't start on your species actual homeworld, you lose the +30 habitability other empires get on their capital. Note that despite the timer on its modifier, Lost Colony still doesn't beat it.

[@-JustHuman-]

@@mr.gaster1310 They could have made it so each new colony would get a bonus instead, to show how the empire progresses. So you start with Prosperous Unification, and when you make a new colony it goes away and that colony gets "Great Leap" or something, that moves the bonus to that colony because it was the latest thing the empire did. It would mean that the last colony to be made would have this bonus, and it would move around the more you expand. So it would give you more of a choice to maybe delay moving on to the next colony, it could also just be a colony timer. Not sure it should be those numbers either, but more like tree of life where it's a bonus that means something. Just to give it something more than just a timer on the homeworld.

[@bsh7390]

they buffed it to 20 years instead of 10 years in beta version

[@justinthompson6364]

Necrophage seems like a good choice for crisis empires in particular- The first crisis tier unlocks and drastically accelerates purging, so you can more quickly convert conquered pops to your main species, and get the menace from purging pops _without_ actually reducing your total population... at least, not as much as you would otherwise have to.

[@caad5258]

You get menace from from Assimilation. This includes Synthetic and Psionic assimilation, so its pretty easy to rack up menace as Synthetic or Psionic ascension empires.

[@shawngillogly6873]

Pretty sure you would get menace from Necrophage assimilation even. Plus, as a Necrophage, Bio Ascension is a natural pathway, and assimilating via that works as mentioned.

[@malcolmkhummel3]

You also gain menace by assimilating or integrating populations. I was late game having the main crises just spawn in so I forgot I was integrating the 4th most powerful species in the galaxy.(I had already integrated the number 3). As soon as I integrated them...i was the fricking crises....battling the rest of the galaxy as well as the actual crises which didnt spawn in my empire...but just off and they ended up mostly coming my way. I had so much extra territory that i could let the fringes go slow and keep just a few fleets there while i concentrated mostly on the crises. I eventually won and it was my favorite game ever. As a side note....the grey tempest was in the L cluster and was released when i had 4 6k fleets lol. Outlasted and spanked them too. They need to fiddle with that pop growth a bit more....i like the lack of pop management late game. It was far too low tho. My ring world were worthless even with the starbase building and exhibiting art monuments....and I just dont want to move 100s of pops anymore. Edit- I was too slow in writing this comment....I was playing as driven assimilates btw.

[@Roger-uw1pj]

I played scion on the last update, and by sheer lolz decided to colonize some holy worlds of my FE "patron". He got slightly upset, but did not go to war with me. A few years later it was all ok. Something to consider. :)

[@RobBCactive]

Haha, that's like me stopping Zarqlan's tomb at the last stage, because I wanted to provoke the HG into attacking me.

[@catisreckless4647]

They probably just looked at your Empire as rebelling teenagers or something, and shrugged it off as "Boys will be boys".

[@thesittingacheroraptor7565]

"I'm not angry just disappointed"

[@TheDrexxus]

"Your mother and I worked very hard building those gardens, and then you just go in there and ruined it all... No cell phone for a month, young man."

[@scyobiempire4450]

Had my first Scion Game tonight, on Multiplayer, and right as I was saving to leave my FE gives me a 5.5k fleet. I like Scion.

[@CS_Mango]

Think about scion as having a sugar daddy that gives you sugar every now and then. Except he is force feeding you on a regular basis. -ASpec

[@ethanwmonster9075]

Also get used to never losing and having a total lack of challenge.

[@shorewall]

I hate war in Stellaris, so I don't benefit from the fleet. It's just too expensive if you aren't using it. But I do like to colony rush. And Scion (at least it used to) doesn't let you close your borders. So it's harder to cut people off from whole sections of systems.

[@BryantVonMiller]

What is your profile photo? I've been looking at it and for the life of me I cannot tell what it is

[@CS_Mango]

@@BryantVonMiller can you specify which one of us you mean? We'll I suppose it's scyobi.

[@blusafe1]

Tomb world used to be amazing giving you a flat 70% habitability on every planet type.

[@-AytaL-]

The famous Stefan tier list, i was expecting this update for 3.0

[@-JustHuman-]

Still would like a "Generation Ship" start, where you start the game with a small fleet, and a generation colony ship. Then you need to find a planet, and settle it with your pops. Bonus would be ship born, that means you make better colony ships with more pops in them, but they cost more, takes more time to build and are much slower.

[@onchristieroad]

Wasn't there something quite a bit like this in the ModJam origins?

[@-JustHuman-]

@@onchristieroad Don't know mostly play Ironman mode, so it might already exist.

[@arencorparencorp2189]

@@-JustHuman- yea there's a mod doing EXACLY that, bigger, more expensive colony ships

[@Lorkanthal]

@@arencorparencorp2189 I could also see as a secondary bonus higher naval and fleet capacity as you would surely have improved your logistical systems having spent so long traveling in space.

[@tanegram]

this is literally the Vaulters from Endless Space 2. You control a huge colonization ship (its the only one, you can make more) which automatically colonizes planets at a high cost. The species are kinda "shipborne", as they escaped from certain death from their older planet. They are nomads basically. Also they get a big bonus to making portals, which function just like Gateways.

[@DarthHawthorne]

"I did a whole live stream on how to play this optimally..." Didn't you spend most of the time crusading for the galatron?

[@Stefan_Anon]

Details

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

You mean that wasn't optional? Kappa

[@martinrowley3226]

Post-Apocalyptic is actually really good if you're playing non-lithoid purifiers. You can not only colonize tomb worlds, but your preferred planet type as well. And if you Armageddon bomb enemy planets for long enough they become tomb worlds, allowing you to essentially terraform them.

[@notyou2353]

TeRrAfOrM

[@Levyafan]

"Why yes, we do have terraforming technology! It's called SATURATION BOMBARDMENT"

[@clefsan]

sounds more like Terrorforming technology to me ;-)

[@ForeverShadowBanned]

Really hate that you have to be purifiers to have any fun with the origin. Armageddon bombardment should come with the origin or it should give some event chain or something to allow you to turn other planets into tomb world hellscapes.

[@betagamma5006]

@@ForeverShadowBanned Crisis empires can also use armageddon bombardment

[@kamaha0010]

Minor power play with Necrophage: For your primitives that you conquer in the early game? Set them to domestic servitude and raise their living standard to decent for the duration of the Stellar Culture shock. For the entire duration, those planets are largely just worthless because of the penalties so the boosted amenities and happiness will effect the stability and essentially eliminate any chance of slave revolts or negative slave events that will outlast the culture shock. Two pops relocated for each planet will solve all of that and more.

[@shorewall]

And then when they get over the culture shock and start trusting you, then you purge them. :D

[@kamaha0010]

@@shorewall nah, I find it easier to just leave them there, diversify your empire, and lmao I can't say that with a straight face. Purge the filthy xenos and turn them into forge worlds.

[@blahmaster6k]

If you necrophage purge the conquered pops you can just move them back to your capital since they are your primary species. You just can't move them away from culture shock if they're not your main species.

[@ShadowoftheMask]

@@kamaha0010 :( Meanies

[@matthewsmith4710]

And you just wanna build beuracratic centers and clerk jobs till it wears off yeah?

[@MrHitmancheg]

Making robots was the greatest mistake in my habitat playthrough. The game does not prioritise robots over biological pops when assigning the jobs, so whenever my generator habitats plopped one too many robots out, I had to manually unemploy however many robots until a bio pop decided "yes, this is about right time for me to go somewhere else for a job".

[@anonymouspseudonym6900]

if you use the Decadent trait, happiness of worker pops with the trait is reduced. this causes the game to prioritise putting other pops in worker jobs, instead of the Decadent pops.

[@Jay2480]

Sell the robots

[@MrHitmancheg]

@@Jay2480 but the synth envy tho.

[@zephyr546]

This was released 16 minutes before i needed it, thank you!

[@Fangoros]

time to watch it in 2x speed then ^^

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

@@Fangoros I was about to say lol

[@darth.4996]

That ruined megastructure on the Machine Ringworld start lmao

[@biomassfreak]

Even the thought of it terrifies me

[@shawngillogly6873]

Classic Steffan start.

[@EvelynNdenial]

one ringworld start a had a science nexus and another ringworld nearby plus a ruined dyson sphere in a neighboring empire. the map gen has some crazy placements sometimes. too bad the multiplayer game it was in got dropped immediately.

[@biomassfreak]

@@EvelynNdenial cowards. Also a slider for ruined megastructures at the start of the game like gateways would be great. Turning off iron-man of course

[@EvelynNdenial]

@@biomassfreak there is one for gateways

[@Storyfrombolvar]

You forgot one main necrophage ability - after "changing" they get the origin species habitat preferability. So, if you are "forest" liker, and then you necrophaged ocean liker and thundra liker from spare primal worlds - you will have main spiece with all 3 preferabilities that can colonise ANY world.

[@Alpharius_1994]

I do love the "Galactic Doorstep" - Origin (and believe me: Its the Origin i use every time) but i have to agree with the F-Tier Placement. Ironically (IMO) its one of the easiest Origins to fix: Just add a "-50% Cost and Time Reduction for Gateway activation" - Empire Modifier and further decrease the necessary Research for the "Gateway Construction" - Tech.

[@kevinwilson455]

I started playing Stellaris in January and enjoyed that origin when learning the game (not trying to play optimally and on Commodore difficulty). Was playing a 'Vulcan'-type species. Fanatic materialist, militarist technocracy with diplomatic corps. I was caught out a few times by 700 power fleets coming through 16 years into the game... apart from having to rush a fleet to counter that event it's good fun.

[@MatthewChenault]

I’d rank it as C-tier. It’s not bad, but it isn’t brilliant either. I like it because free wormhole gate in the capital and cheaper (and guaranteed) tech spawns for gateway activation and gateway construction.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

It needs to be buffed so you can rush it very fast and actually have a chance at claiming the system it leads to.

[@heretic-668]

I typically play with virtually no random Gateways, and this dramatically increases the value of this origin, as well as means the end game isn't just one giant gateway network.

[@Andres-hc4vq]

"Fallen empire sugar daddy" Im going to steal that line lol

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

Just so you know, the Ringworld start still seems to be good with Megacorps, since Megacorps have an alternative way to produce energy via trade, and can convert that trade into consumer goods, reducing the need for minerals.

[@davevd9944]

Feels bad they cut the jobs in half though xD I understand why it was a taddd OP especially as a corp

[@RobBCactive]

But now Megacorps trade is reduced because technicians produce more. As slots are unlocked differently, there's no advantage to 5/10 jobs per slot.

[@natalie6811]

It’s worth noting with Calamitous Birth that, paired with Terravores, you can pretty much ignore the pops system, as well as easily blow up planets if you are becoming the crisis (which, if you have the DLC, why wouldn’t you?)

[@corrinvondrachen1097]

When I play Stellaris I tend to be more diplomatic. I have HOI IV if I want to paint the map.

[@q1w2e3621]

@@corrinvondrachen1097 same

[@Unknown_Anomaly]

Because so many empires somehow get destroyers and cruisers long before I do

[@natalie6811]

@@ImperfectVoid8479 It… doesn’t?

[@Bubbasmack1]

Didn't even mention calamitous birth as hivemind. You can be terravore and literally eat your planets

[@thembones1895]

I had an awesome run with tomb world origin. I paired it with: -the radioactive trait (50% of food upkeep is now energy, BUT living on said tomb worlds are energy free: therefore it's just a new -50% cost on all pops) -catalytic processing to have synergy with above. Alloys now cost food! -Lastly, fanatic purifiers so I can create tomb worlds whenever. (After I abducted their people via nihilistic acquisition and ate them. Yum. More alloys! ) I guess I agree overall - it takes more planning and specific work to make the origin viable. Maybe if there were more ways to create tomb worlds it would be more accessible. Anyway great video. I liked your ascension paths video as well.

[@alexanderilthari9328]

One note about Post-Apoc, it does synchronize nicely with Galactic Purifiers if you want to become the Bombperium of Man. Which is very, very fun.

[@vulcanjoe8258]

Doku Voice “I’ve been looking forward to this”

[@aptspire]

I did a Doomsday start recently (continental). Found Wenkwort, a free Gaia, an Ocean that turned into Gaia with ancient terraforming, then the last Baol. An unsurprisingly easy run.

[@the_wallaby]

Didn't know there was a purge option for the necrophage, that has me much more curious about playing it.

[@jackthemapper]

14:30 You can actually abandon colonies through auto resettlement without influence cost. Just put a transit hub there and have a reliable source of pop growth that doesnt get nerfed to oblivion the more pops you get.

[@helplessblobfish3935]

Might wanna add that you need to deprioritise all jobs beforehand.

[@fuzclock8561]

"You'll never find a Tomb World near your starting area". *Look back at all my games with 1-5 Tomb world near me and +1-3 TW from a precursor civ* ... Yeah right...

[@2MeterLP]

Void dweller is my favorite. The ability to have ~10 habs in one well defended system is super valuable

[@vexcine]

9:30 Or you could just spawn with a matter decompressor next to you for mineral needs... the amount of times I've wanted that to happen to me..

[@MrMartinNeumann]

14:35 it's possible to do that early on. You can let the pops migrate away on their own so you don't have to pay influence. Just unemploy everyone and they will relatively quickly migrate away eventually freeing up the planet to be colonized again. You can speed things up by building a transit station on the starbase in the system.

[@tenacity25]

tbh, part of me wishes that instead of post-apocalyptic (especially the way it is), or alongside it, we had an origin that made your starting planet a tomb world, made your planet preference a tomb world, but also gave you bonuses that actually made up for it so that it wasn't terrible despite the worse downsides. It'd be a more interesting playstyle considering you'd be settling only the worst planets for the start of the game - reminds me a bit of the Grox from Spore and how they can only survive on that game's equivalent of tomb worlds, tier 0 planets. edit: kind of like an inverse version of life-seeded

[@RobBCactive]

Hmmm, tomb worlds tend to be large planets with lots of mining or generator potential. The pops manage on every planet type.

[@MonsieurJo]

That can be pretty op to just colonize all planet. I would just give a planet bonus '' survivor fervor '' +10% ressource production, amenities and 10 % militarist /pacifist attraction depending on ethos.

[@tenacity25]

@@MonsieurJo Well my idea was that they'd only be able to colonize tomb worlds because of habitability, but have bonuses to help them deal with such a problem, not by removing the problem but by being strong in spite of it.

[@AzureRath97]

14:23 oh no! I can't abandon colonies manually? Would be a shame if I deactivated all pop jobs on the colony, real shame. ;)

[@Alttoviulu92]

Didn't they remove automatic resettlement for 5 years after colonized? (to combat unemployed people leaving from habitats before you could offer them a job)

[@AzureRath97]

@@Alttoviulu92 not such a problem in war but I have yet to validate.

[@downsidebrian]

The early rush discussion reminds me of one of my early games - my first time trying to go the biological ascendancy route with a xenophobic empire. I thought I was going to be the worst bad guy in the game. But my immediate neighbor was fanatic purifiers! Oh, well, didn't take too long before they were food.

[@Jazerus]

The Galactic Doorstep origin spawns such a tiny enemy fleet that I can't imagine you actually played the origin before ranking it...it's not a real threat, and you get a lot of bonus minerals and alloys from the event chain, as well as access to the Gateway Activation tech, although it's still way too expensive to research too early of course. Having a gate in your home system is very useful later for avoiding piracy as well, and this origin saves you the substantial cost of building one from scratch, as well as the delay from needing to research the tech to build gates. It's not any worse than the origins you list as C or B tier.

[@vcjuul9190]

"you probably won't find more tomb worlds in your area anyway" They are actually not that uncommon. Unless playing a very small empire, it's quite likely you'll find one or two within your borders. Not that it makes this origin good for anything other than roleplay tho.

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

If you just let the worm love you, you'll have plenty of Tomb worlds to thrive on

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@bigdiccmarty9335 But the worm also gives you tomb world preference, so it basically invalidates the origin.

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

@@Nukestarmaster shut

[@TheUndyingCrystal]

@@bigdiccmarty9335 i just shit my pants

[@sampy901]

In my last game I wiped out a scion empire early game as devouring swarm without realizing it was scion, so the influence bonus I got from being a hive mind was basically cut in half by the pissed off fallen empires doing the humiliation thing.

[@gezak9733]

Quick tips for Necrophage start: Step 1. Go with xenophobe. Step 2. Up your unity production early (monument/temple, marketplace of ideas, traits etc.) Step 3. Unlock the Harmony tree and pick Unity of Self. Step 4. Purge both your guaranteed primitive worlds into your main species. You will get 1.5 times your monthly unity production for every pop you purged. Step 5. Settle one of your prepatent species to the new planets to make sure you get pop growth there, and don't forget the crime lord deal trick

[@pauloandrade925]

9:08 Wow i got Extremely lucky then cause in my grand admiral difficulty Mega criminal syndicate run i went for shattered world origin And i pretty much instantly Found a bunch of primite Lithoids.... Which I used to colonise most planets.... Now my empire is a 2 race dominated Indentured servitude mega criminal corp (for all the other races except those 2)

[@5680009]

I like playing Scion with the intent to work toward eventually betraying, conquering, and subjugating my benefactor. All the other random empires around me are just fuel toward the end. Even better when playing with the Gigastructures mod, as the stagnates start with battle-moons and are a much, much bigger challenge to eventually beat.

[@DrLongWang]

My favorite Stellaris mechanic is how it gives me the Grunur precursor exclusively unless I play as life seeded. Great video btw.

[@helplessblobfish3935]

I never get grunur unless I play machines.

[@MonsieurJo]

Play rogue servitor and grunur are a blessing

[@Kaiser282]

I got it once as life seeded on the new update and all the Immigration pull is hilarious.

[@crosselsmith776]

I don't get zroni unless I play technocracy.

[@MonsieurJo]

@@crosselsmith776 Psy tech run, robots plus psionic leader intelligent and natural engineer you got nice research output.

[@becausereasons8507]

My fav. empire is post-apocalyptic with fanatic purifiers, since you can use a scorched earth war philosophy, and then turn the 20% hab. planets of the enemy into 70%+ of your own species.

[@mikolaj2698]

22:03 brrr can't forget about what happened in Cold War Event xD

[@friedipar]

“Post Apocalyptic“ can be useful when playing as a fanatic purifier, since you don't have any filthy xenos on your planets anyway and you can just make some space with your apocalyotic bombardement stance

[@pedrobrazon6610]

Thank you Stefan, for making me a better Stellaris player :)

[@RuerlKhan]

On the subject of the necrophage - I like to make my main species lithoids, that helps to offset the usual penalty for growth speed, especially if you go with the xenophobe variant.

[@antred11]

I love the post-apocalyptic start (for role-playing reasons), so much in fact that I modded it a bit to make it harder (lowered habitability bonus; drastically reduced population growth FOR ALL EMPIRES; drastically reduced chances of finding habitable planets; and reduced starting pop to 12). I want it to really feel like slowly rising from the ashes.

[@peterbarrett5411]

Is this origin in the base game? I haven't been able to find out and I can't find it in my game

[@antred11]

@@peterbarrett5411 Whew, honestly I don't know. It might be one of the DLC expansions that brings it along.

[@buchan448]

@@peterbarrett5411 its from the apocolypse dlc i think

[@peterbarrett5411]

@@buchan448 I figured that out months ago, but thank you!

[@EvgGaar]

Please make a full necrophage empire build video!

[@caad5258]

Yeah Im skeptical of the Necrophage late game. Can they get around the 3 pops per 10 years cap with Biological Ascension?

[@couruu]

A youtuber putting the contents of their title/thumbnail in the first 15 seconds? Huge respect.

[@Yotanido]

I've tried the void dwellers after watching your live stream. It was pretty fun. I did go for robots and you do indeed spend most of the time in the resettle screen :D But I was worried about the food consumption of clone vats - even with robots, I actually struggled to produce enough food. I eventually had to build food production on the habitats instead of just relying on hydroponics bays. Pop production was pretty decent. In fact, I forgot to build new habitats a couple times and had some unemployment problems. Though, after building an ecumenopolis, I'm not sure how long it will actually take to fill it. I'm pretty new to Stellaris - I now have about 40 hours in the game and started after 3.0. I'd definitely recommend Void Dwellers - they're fun :) Haven't encountered the crisis yet - I pushed end game year all the way back - we'll see how I deal with those, but my situation this game is much better than my previous ones.

[@GhostNameless]

I started with common ground. Expanded my empire to the north while my allies focused on the south and west. I did not need to help them or worry about their side. They fought my enemy and tanked for 200 years, which made the three weaker. My allies were defeated but by that time every other empire in the galaxy was inferior to mine.

[@noblej7897]

Sad to see void dweller drop to A tier. But I also hate the pop growth nerf. It kind of props up necroids

[@karlbultrowicz932]

I had one Gateway run where, I had my starter gateways, and I found two other gateways about 5-7 jumps away from the original. Turned out, that gateway, led to both of the other gateways in my empire.

[@Ellerwind]

Nice video. I must say Lost Colony and Remnants are top of my list (I pick them more often then the rest). For Remnants if you go with Domination and Mastery of Nature you can unlock the extra tech for CHEEP.

[@Krokpot7]

I just started playing Stellaris for about a week now. These videos are tremendously helpful. SO much to learn. I love it. There is constantly something that goes wrong while I’m trying to figure out how to do something else. I just learned you can resettle your pops from this video. Loving the game, def a learning curve, but it’s rewarding when you start to get one little thing down at a time.

[@JoshSweetvale]

6:00 Read: Quarians

[@georgegriffin3834]

Really well explained thoughts, the only one I feel needs to be moved in Remnant to A tier. Reasoning: 1) The tech reshuffling. Using the blockers to get a new tech shuffle lets you get to cruisers for aggression and/or the ascendancy techs very fast. 2) You are guaranteed a size 22 planet with blockers that pay for themselves to clear (motes are easy to get this patch) 3) That size 22 comes with the native relic world buffs and turns into a ecu with former relic and capital designation, which in a pop efficiency meta is the best planet type you can get. Combined together, a remnant synthetic ascension funneling stolen pops into a uber boosted ecu capital is one of the strongest set ups in the game.

[@MonsieurJo]

Sad that machine empire can't restore écu

[@EnlonWhite]

And from what i have seen even before the changes, you only ever needed ONE Ecu planet, to really get benefits, maybe two if your insanely high in pops, tho this new economy/pop growth I doubt you will need more then One to get really strong results. Since you got the one then from the start you don't need that ascension perk for it to get one, and bam free Ascension slot open for something else. Also I usually find at LEAST One in most games or win one through force if needed, and done. You only need One, to get real strength out of it, and that makes the Ascension perk really.....weak in the long run. Since you do not need more then One, due to how maintenance upkeep costs works on them spamming them is bad but also unless you got insane growth of pops on them ,you will NEVER max out districts on them in USE of ALL JOBS anyways. Aka, only ONE of these planets is needed, so the Ascension perk is rather useless, as you can just go mega-structures instead and build alot of different stuff, while ringworlds are still just as good overall with more options of what you can do with mega-structures. if you start with a planet that can already become a Ecu, then you already have the end game large planet able to do that job. Go for mega structures, and ignore that Ascension perk for city planets, with full benefit.

[@Jay2480]

@@EnlonWhite so is that why when the determined Exterminators got 3 ecus at 2230 they took over the galaxy by 2300

[@EnlonWhite]

@@Jay2480 robots grow as they grow, and sense the city planets dont matter for that for robots...and robots cant build city planets last I checked. So they took them or found them, robots make machine worlds tho

[@idcgaming518]

With relentless industrialists, I don't need to worry about finding more tombworlds - I can make them!

[@agentiq007]

17:06 why would you wanna get rid of a free aloys machine? ( design federation ships with all armor, let them build a few, remove everything from the design, "refit" them, delete them, change the design to all armor again, wait till they build some again) Your lads can give you a few hundred aloys a year at the start of the game and a lot more further on, even if you box them in. You can use those aloys to get ahead of them and insure that you stay as the leader of the federation. And once you have a rediculously amounts of aloys they can give you a rediculous amount of free ships too ;)

[@lendglif]

Doomsday is actually pretty good for those, who are heavily dependent on alloys in early games. I played on Doomsday with Determined Exterminator and I got 100 alloys on 30s years. And with robots it's really simple to find another planet to live on

[@Hyperax]

One big bonus I'm getting on a void-dweller play through is actually going Synth and Authoritarian. Being able to set up thrall worlds for most of your basic resource production is incredibly feasible to start snowballing out of control and having nihilistic acquisition will insure a constant stream of new thralls. The 30% pop growth bonus basically means you can use the thrall-worlds as production centers to ship to habitats for assimilation.

[@alexanderormwiklund]

Fun fact: The Stefan's balance mod team still haven't had a good idea to improve common grounds! At least we did something with the default fed type

[@FreezingHotCoffee]

Would there be a way to ensure that all three fed members can expand? My main issue with it is that you always end up with one or both of the fed members stuck in a couple of systems.

[@alexanderormwiklund]

@@FreezingHotCoffee we could probably make them spawn a few systems away from eachother yeah, not sure if we'd be able to make all members of it able to expand without messing with galaxy gen too much tho.

[@sephikong8323]

@@alexanderormwiklund I think having them start 3 jumps away instead of one might be an idea from where to start yes. I don't think it would fix it, but it might make it better and more enjoyable

[@gabrielclark1425]

...start at level 2?

[@alexanderormwiklund]

@@gabrielclark1425 i believe we looked into this. But i can't quite recall exactly ehat we came up with

[@MrMarinus18]

29:20 It's one where I wish they added stuff. Maybe the fallen empire makes all kinds of weird demands of you like taking away fleet power, taking pops, making one resource 0. That it's both very safe but also very unstable. They could be very obnoxious sure but I think it would make it a lot more interesting.

[@migueldossantosgalvao9250]

You probably played more than me, but I'm my gameplays, I always find, like, 10 tomb words, in the normal settings, and playing whit, like, humans. In the Remmnats, you forget about the rivalry on a fallen empire.

[@amconners]

I had a quite different experience playing a biological Shattered Ring origin (first time choosing Shattered Ring, and in 3.0) purely by incredibly good luck. There were two relic worlds relatively near my start area (though one was the Rubricator site so it wasn't /as/ free), one planet nearby had pre-sapients I could uplift for a normal habitability preference early on to colonize other worlds, the Baol precursor chain gave me the tech to do just that, and the Baol relic's free Gaia terraform every ten years seriously mitigates the weakness of Ring World preference. (On top of that I also found a ruined ring world system, though that won't actually be relevant until much later in the game.) It's been going incredibly well so far but it's a shame it took this much random chance to make it work well.

[@roblaquiere8220]

You can colonize the Relic world with Rubricator so long as you don't solve the archeology site. And once you have a fleet that can kill Grand Dragon quickly, park it over the planet and solve the site... If the fleet engages the dragon and wins (as it spawns) your planet will not be destroyed.

[@amconners]

@@roblaquiere8220 I could've sworn there was a timer set on colonization, too. Looks like I was wrong. Good to know, thanks!

[@joeldoxtator9804]

The F teir Origins are all great for improving your knowledge of the game. I ran Doomsday over and over again until I finally understood the mechanics of everything that was crippling my system.

[@rign_]

This is probably sounds weird, but i always listen to this video and your voice when i need sleep, it's just so effective for me. Nice content.

[@matiasfermandois264]

The federation start is really good if you claim the planet of one of your allies and also vote one out. Then once you conquer said planet do the same with the other. Much better that way.

[@Silly2smart]

With Common Ground and a military focus, you first kick then take out one empire then the last one, then you are in a good position!

[@jolly6537]

A thing I like about Galactic Doorstep is that you have access to Gateway Technologies as soon as you need them. I hate reaching the late midgame without being able to build gateways because I never had the required tech as an option, causing my military to have mobility issues.

[@TheCheese1988]

Also, as soon as you research the discounted Gateway Travel, and activate the Black Crown, you get given a 50% researched Gateway Construction technology. I had my entire empire linked by gateways long before the midgame crises began.

[@RuerlKhan]

Second bonus info on necrophage: Combine this with fanatical purifiers and you can not only replace your entire prepatent species with your leader type, you gain a lot of unity from this, easily enough to give you a headstart on the tradition tree.

[@eyeball6793]

It pairs EXTREMELY well with FP, FPs main weakness is no pops from wars, but necrophage solves this and lets the fledgling fp grow dramatically.

[@Someone-lg6di]

Theres a downside with worker output

[@RuerlKhan]

@@Someone-lg6di That is not an inherent weakness in the combination of necrophage+FP - but rather inherent in being a necrophage - and by being a necrophage FP you offset most of the weaknesses - the rest can be sorted through species modifications. The weakness is minor at best. ;)

[@leobastian_]

The downside is you have almost No Natural growth, necrophages usually want Other species to do the growing for them, you cant do that with FPs

[@donkeylover4449]

Console version for fed is about to drop. Came by to check theses crazy origins out! Good stuff btw.

[@Donuts8]

12:00 You had the perfect opportunity to do Oooga Booga Twoga And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a hive mind can restore Relic words back into Ecumenopolis which would lessen the power of Remnants for a Hive mind start.

[@MonsieurJo]

Only non gestalt can restore ecu

[@EnlonWhite]

Tho gestalt can build some special resource extractors, motes, gas, crystal on it similar to how Life-seeded has on its starting home-world. Tho can you terraform it into a hiveworld/machineworld later? , and if so that would remove those deposits that you can get i believe.

[@WikipediaDurchleser]

9:35 lmao that ruined matter decompressor right next to your starting planet nice

[@DIY_Miracle]

Void dwellers works extremely well with megacorps. They produce an incredible level of trade and megacorps make best use of them, so you can get extremely tall extremely fast.

[@lilithkitsune7152]

I've found resource consolidation + driven assimilator to be pretty good, since while you only have a 50% hab on your cyborg pops and thus lower growth from them, it's better than simply not having it. Plus the bonus to leaders among other things is nice. To me it helps you counter the lack of S curve machine empires have compared to organic peoples

[@Kektor]

Darn, I always liked galactic doorstep because it gave my empire's gate network a head-start. At a loss of pirate activity and a gain of quick mobility to military forces, it'll always be kind of tempting.

[@MatthewChenault]

You also are guaranteed to get three techs partially researched: Regenerative Hull Tissue. Gateway activation. Gateway construction. All of those are delicious technologies that are often hard to acquire or take a long time to get to, which, with the origin, it speeds up the process significantly. Also, the resources you get from it, such as the free alloys, minor artifacts, and research points, far outweigh the loss of a scientist (you can throw a tier one scientist at it) and a science ship. I’d put it at C-tier rather than F-tier, since it’s not as good as the others, but it has its merits as a starting origin.

[@K162-y1b]

I just wanted to call out the little bits of production value in your video, like the upscaling of the icons. I upscale a lot of stuff myself and can tell, it's a very distinctive effect. It looks nice but perhaps you could turn the sharpness up a little. Great work!

[@Ulmaramlu]

Common Ground is so frustrating to play. Last time I tried it my "allies" started with blocking both of my expansion directions. Ended up having to pay 200+ influence in order to snag another planet on the far side of their boarders... which they quickly surrounded.

[@0witw047]

you do know you can just kick one from the federation then eat it a decade later right?

[@Acul095]

Oh boy I have been waiting all week for this :D Great video and great livestream today

[@Ichthyodactyl]

I will say that I was actually pretty glad I chose Galactic Doorstep as my Origin on my first playthrough. This is obviously highly specific to my circumstances but I did NOT understand how influence gain was affected by faction promotion (the tooltips regarding influence gain are really bad for this reason) and I really fucked myself up for a bit before I realized the issue. By the time I figured out my mistake, I was blocked into a corner by a much larger belligerent empire. They didn't attack me because I had already federated with a few other nearby empires that also rivaled with the belligerent but as they had closed their borders to me and they controlled all hyperlanes out of my space, I either had to develop jump tech as soon as possible or gamble with activating the gate. Turns out the gate opened in an empire that was much stronger than me and shared all my ethos (which highly discouraged unrestricted wars), so perfect ally. Gate allowed me to continue to explore the rest of the galaxy when it would have been hard to otherwise until much later in tech. I could see why it's objectively bad but boy did it save my ass as a good, albeit expensive, backup plan.

[@dj_koen1265]

If the origin gave gateway activation for free after the event chain and then 50% research into gateway construction It would be good imo

[@WhiteFang103]

Tomb world downsides: *Other* species can't live comfortably in my home planet ? That sounds some serious heresy to me, brother. Brother, bring me the Flamer.... The Heavy Flamer.

[@Miginsa1991]

I would ve prefered to show these origins where to find in the menu cause I dont have my game open when watching this video. Additionaly it would have been better to show these origins in a tier list, too. It wasnt always that clear for me in which tier list this origin is you were talking about. But thank you for your work! Great video!

[@paveladamec3731]

Personaly fell in love with making assembler habitats with just assembler and 2 drone storages, this way the assemblers are the only jobs on habitat and with station in the system, the assembled pop is moving automatically to where jobs are. So its job micromanagement instead of resettlement micromanagement. Good thing is that the assembler habitats are one time setup.

[@anonnymous7009]

As far as I remember, as scion you can't create a federation or join one until you break free from your sugar daddy (which is probably at the very late endgame). So this is a significant disadvantage later on in the midgame imo.

[@carldimayuga6419]

Another disadvantage: if a midgame crisis affects you and you need to push back against them, you auto take the planets due to Total War being in effect. Normally you just vassalize them... but as Scion, you cant, because vassals cant make vassals. Midgame is definitely a dangerous period for Scion. A worthless planet or ten suddenly being under your control can tank your resources and whatnot. You can opt to have the planet split off the long way, by forcing the native pops to grow, setting their rights to slavery, maybe even trait-modifying them with stuff like Decadent until they break off. But this takes a while to fire off, and you still have several planets draining your resources until they break away.

[@OneOnOne1162]

8:20 - I played it as a megacorporation and simply generated energy by having branch offices in other empires to buy stuff with. As for expansion, I got to building habitats as soon as I could and it seemed to work out alright.

[@Vogelkinder]

I typically *love* Post-Apocalyptic, and almost always find the shattered cluster of fallen tomb worlds somewhere nearby. Plus, it's fun playing a hateful, militant society who see everyone as having goodies and in need of losing them. It's harder, sure, but I enjoy the challenge, and its great for RPing militant xenophobes.

[@sephikong8323]

I know that Post Apocalyptic isn't the most optimal ............... but Percussive Terraforming is by far one of the most fun playstyle ever and now that the Armageddon bombardment has been fixed, I am more hyped than ever to play that way (hoping they will fix the empire wide pop growth reduction though)

[@bradknightable]

Already a mod for that. One that leaves the planetary reduction but removes the empire reduction.

[@sephikong8323]

@@bradknightable I know people modded it in, I am talking about the base game itself since it would be indicative of the direction of the game (and it's also easier for MP when you don't need to have everyone dl the same mod as well)

[@triedanother2107]

Could you please cover the terravores + doomsday? It seems like a total match in terms of needs and bonuses.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

That sounds terrifying

[@JabberwockOclock]

Terravore+Calamitous Birth seems like a better combo to me. Your homeworld doesn't explode, and you just get to eat any crap planets that will auto-resettle to your homeworld when those explode, meaning each colony boosts your population by 4 plus any you get from eating the planet.

[@nateflippin6574]

I recently played shattered ring and found a second shattered ring 4 systems away. That was a great game...

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Just started a game. Man so rusty on the UI and basically everything. Thanks for this.

[@fellixxio]

Finally someone that likes scion, but anyway for me all of 'em are S tier except doomsday, I have never played it so I don't know how to feel about it

[@ingold1470]

8:00 - A normal empire can gene mod their primary species to any planet preference to get out of this ring world issue, once they've teched to Glandular Acclimation.

[@diomepa2100]

Remnants one of the biggest benefits is - even in "relic form" it's 100% habitability for any species. It's one of the best origins, especially given you can easily restore the ecumenopolis early on without sacrificing a slot. It has bonus for each stage of the game, it works well with every type of play - and - it's a "simple play" for the most part.

[@braincell4536]

Post Apocalyptic with Radiotrophic and Fanatic Purifiers is a pretty good synergy. -50% food usage for pops, combine it with Catalytic Processing for less strain on minerals. You can then Armageddon bombardment enemy planets and turn them into easy tomb worlds since you cant change it through terraforming

[@amdac1523]

Make a tear list for civics and/or traits pleas.

[@Ab-hj1qn]

I know this is probably just a typo but imagining the following slogan made me laugh: „How many tears will you shed if you pick this civic?“

[@Alister222222]

I read 'or traits' as 'portraits'.... I would pay to see a species portrait tier list lol.

[@xostler]

25:00 necrophage purge + nihilistic acquisition = profit

[@loafofbread9400]

Only good in multiplayer games tho

[@loafofbread9400]

Never found raiding bombardment do me any good in solo

[@VORASTRA]

@@loafofbread9400 it is not bad now, since pop growth might be frustrating sometimes

[@SetsunaInfinite]

My current game is running rampage with this. Go to war for the specific purpose of stealing pops from your neighbors. They become weaker and you become stronger

[@joesunbro9820]

I just did a shattered ring Xenophile normal race. I had less than 10 star systems total and by about year 2280 I had 1 ringworld segment, 4 planets with different species, 6 tier 2 habitats. At that point I think I had over 500 pops and only 4 factions. I had the strongest economy in the galaxy and was already researching the repeat techs. By 2350 I had over 700 pops, 1 complete ringworld, 1 partial ringworld with 2 complete segments, 4 gaia worlds, 8 tier 3 habitats, 2k more galactic market power than the nearest leader, 2 42k fleets, and still less than 10 star systems. The 2 keys to that success were I was near a nebula so I got early minerals and I researched habitats really early. I also made as many migration treaties as possible and accepted literally hundreds of refugees into my empire. I started with a single choke point but later got a second one with the cybrex system. I got bored and quit after I realized I was so far ahead of everyone else. The closest I have ever got to that level of success was machine world origin with a machine race but I think that run was just pure luck based on the number of planets in my system.

[@timklasson7646]

In my experience Galactic Doorstep is alot more powerfull than F-tier. Played right it will give you an incredibly strong early game that will snowball your power quickly. The tiny fleets that come out of The Black Crown is nothing. But as you said, it costs alot of resources early game to restore it and to build new ones. Though you do unlock the technology for constructing gateways once you finish the event. Which is really strong to have early game if you can spare the resources for building new gateways. Placing gateways in every sector will help out alot in your game. The earlier you get gateways, the better. Trade travels through gateways and saves you from caring about pirates. You won't need a starbase every 2 systems to keep trade safe in your long lines of trade routs. It goes without saying that your fleets become incredibly flexible with a proper gateway system. Though, it is very difficult to properly manage this so early in the game for it to give you a real advantage over other origins. But I would say that Galactic Doorstep is at minimum B-tier. For an experienced player that knows how to use it though, its an easy S-tier.