Stephan Kesting from www.grapplearts... shows 4 ways to counter and defeat the cross collar grip from closed guard in BJJ
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@DR-7h0m4s2 жыл бұрын
7 years ago. Timeless info. Thank you Stephan!
@jeffbolton6227 жыл бұрын
Quality techniques as always.... been training along time and I am always impressed with the instruction from this guy!
@TheElThomaso6 жыл бұрын
I love this format of giving several options depending on context. Reminds me of some of your earlier works (like the RNC video with all the different details and adjustments, which is still valuable by today's standards). Thanks a lot for sharing! Please keep more coming like this =)
@SuperMerlot8 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I was choked like 5 times yesterday from that position
@vecino77 жыл бұрын
Same here, I was choked 3 times like this lol. Great counter and very easy to do looks like.
@diamondmidnightgardener6 жыл бұрын
me too!
@ronthemogul6 жыл бұрын
Haha I was getting wrecked with the same thing. My neck has crazy gi burn
@JDGage5 жыл бұрын
Late to the show. But ya same here. The guy was so aggressive he accidentally punched me in the face while doing the cross collar choke.
@polus24942 жыл бұрын
@@JDGage Free boxing training!
@martialway1006 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stephan for all of your excellent grappling and self defence videos, over the past few years. Excellent tips and a great instructor.
@간지킹-t8u4 жыл бұрын
every time I come back to this clip I see new details. Thx for this!
@horseman19688 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. It explained a lot from the transition I took from JJJ 30 years ago to the BJJ I've started studying.
@Scotty-BK Жыл бұрын
Hey Stephan, white belt here and just saying thanks to you and Ritchie for this video. I hit the standing thrust choke yesterday and it worked beautifully. Though I definitely need to work my defense more, hahaha!
@reyg70286 жыл бұрын
Stephan ,the two hand collar grip break is only illegal in judo if your engaged in Tachi Waza .Its still perfectly legal in Newaza.
@간지킹-t8u4 жыл бұрын
@LION TAMER definitely not in closed guard games but you cannot say entire game of newaza is excluded from Judo
@Brian-qo1sd8 жыл бұрын
I have a training partner in mind for trialling these defences. He's heavily reliant on cross collar chokes & to be fair he's very proficient at it, he's had a high percentage of success utilising them. Understanding that 'iron sharpens iron' I guess I get the bonus of developing these counters against a proficient cross collar specialist & he gets the benefit of forewarning about what will come to be more & more common if he overplays a certain tactic. Thanks, great instructional again, Stephan.
@mancpaul013 жыл бұрын
Used the standing thrust choke today whilst rolling. Got a tap. Thank you.
@Laurogrott2 жыл бұрын
This video is seriously undervalued.
@089hlj9 жыл бұрын
I've used the standing thrust choke a lot, but you are right; you can be arm-barred if you don't do it fast.
@huskylord123 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was just what I needed to address what was happening to me time after time.
@Jknudsen05235 жыл бұрын
Your logo would look cool if it was a siloutte of your right hand. It's like a signature look. I learn so much from your videos. Thank you Stephen.
@garrettwebster63496 жыл бұрын
As a newbie white belt I’ve used the thrust choke on a purple belt very aggressively and it shocked him so much that it rolled him almost onto his stomach to avoid the choke lol
@StevenAlvarez6 жыл бұрын
#4 is risky but super effective if successful, def gonna try it out
@andreaorozco96606 жыл бұрын
Gosh I hate this stupid choke as much as I hate side control. I just started and I had to go against a blue belt. He was a big dude, about 6'4. I could roll him no problem, but he got me with this choke. Thanks for posting this. I'm going to work on this and breaking out of someone's guard. 😁
@anon20342 жыл бұрын
Standing Thrust Choke is brilliant!
@LifeGate277 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful Professor Kesting~
@k.padraigokane14727 жыл бұрын
Standing Thrust Choke. We call it the "amasa pon." It means "kneading dough" in portuguese. It's a total disaster and virtually unused. If you're tall you can use this from MANY positions and get taps all the time!
@leonidr85175 жыл бұрын
After learning this I no longer feel danger while in this position.
@amirkazemi25176 жыл бұрын
excellent video..thank you stephen!
@llecnam8 жыл бұрын
great lesson stephan
@GamerShowcaseWeekly9 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, this is allowed in Judo if you are on the ground. But yes, it's not illegal while standing now.
@GamerShowcaseWeekly9 жыл бұрын
GamerShowcase But yes, it's now* illegal while standing now.
@HOCKEY_KONG9 жыл бұрын
beautiful! Thanks Stephan, definitely going to utilize these next class!
@mrtruthforever9 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You are a great teacher.
@samuel-JF19815 жыл бұрын
The "standing thrust choke" os called "amassa pão" in Brazil. It works, the Key is to be fast to escape when your traning partner changes fron choke to arm bar. Other option os Ezequiel choke!
@lmjr04199 жыл бұрын
great job explaining the details.
@GUTOMOFFICIAL5 жыл бұрын
My instructor would say you're still in Closed Guard. lol
@gxvault41663 жыл бұрын
Ahhh the difference between a competition focused school VS a self defense focused school. 😃
@Djent77795 жыл бұрын
"lapel based problem"
@christophertaylor31506 жыл бұрын
I have been choked unconscious for resisting that last choke.
@kelleymcbride46337 жыл бұрын
great tips for escaping cross collar choke thank you!
@chapmacpherson26265 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, so informative
@IDWIE8 жыл бұрын
Pure awesomeness
@버터-v1t2 жыл бұрын
This video helped a lot. Thanks..!
@scott99186 жыл бұрын
Love this, great info!
@DONRANNIREALTOR8 жыл бұрын
Great video can't wait to try it
@SurveyofFilmMusic9 жыл бұрын
The last choke is called the masapone (sp?)
@DS-wd2of7 жыл бұрын
thank you your videos are a big help
@MetalGamer6669 жыл бұрын
So you CAN tap someone from inside their guard! Gonna try #4 even if they don't try to choke me!
@nicholasnj37789 жыл бұрын
+Metal Gamer we have a guy who is a "master" of the Ezikel/ loop choke from inside the guard , he has won many bouts in competition with this
@MetalGamer6669 жыл бұрын
Nicholas NJ The loop choke seems like it's fairly easy to block, though. And with both his hands occupied with the Ezekiel, how does he prevent getting arm barred?
@nicholasnj37789 жыл бұрын
Metal Gamer he won several 1st place NAGA tournaments at Blue Belt, 3rd Place IBJJF and now at Purple belt ... he goes to another gym to "roll" in NYC and even caught a black belt the 1st time he did it ... he pressures down , (similar but not the same as what is shown as #4in this video,
@gibbacool20095 жыл бұрын
Nicholas NJ Ezequiel is the name of a Brazilian Judô and Brazilian jiu-jítsu competitor back in the day who developed most of the first variation of the “ Ezequiel chokes “ thus the name of those chokes
@kallenijs9 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Say, is #4 only a counter or an effective technique on its own? My school just started working on guard again and I bet no one's expecting submissions from the top.
@Sr.D7 жыл бұрын
Counter 4 it's called tsukomi jime in Judo, and if you're not in a club very ijf rules focused you can break the grip with both hands, besides it's not illegal in ne waza. not here to irritate, i practice both and love both.
@k5r2d29 жыл бұрын
#4 works, i have done this as a white belt to defend against purple... yeah it gets out 'out ' , never tried knee on hip.... ok I will do this with my uke next week.... domo arigaro sensei stephenru
@klavier0x998 жыл бұрын
Amazing thanks Stephan
@ricardoborgesba2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!!
@SpoeckerNelkenLP9 жыл бұрын
Really nice Video and really nice Channel, you are a great help! I use much of your Stuff in my Fights, just THANKS! :) Stephan Kesting
@sparkyk249 жыл бұрын
It's been said, but this move is totally legal in judo! You can't do it in a standing position, but none of those gripping rules apply in matwork (except for maybe the pistol grip, I can't remember).
@yevt7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson. But why didn't you say about the most popular defense - answering the phone?
@nicholasnj37789 жыл бұрын
very nice video, great tips
@ernestlapornik89799 жыл бұрын
Great video, but for the thrust choke option would it not be better to attack the side of the arm coming underneath so that you effectively "unwrap" the choke? Coming from the topside may tighten it further
@Crystals100004 жыл бұрын
#4 seems nice for a long arm boy like me
@PiterTraceurFA3 жыл бұрын
Great vid, thanks
@SteveSSBB Жыл бұрын
Solid stuff!
@alhuntington62087 жыл бұрын
I do plunging choke from bottom when I am in guard position I give a little pull so he reacts up exposing his neck i put my plunging arm elbow on my hip for leverage (this adds incredible power) i'm an old man and I get a ton of guys with this
@brandonkeys74316 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video
@danbei22322 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!! 👍🏽
@SergioArroyoSailing8 жыл бұрын
thanks stephan!
@RyuDragonLaw9 жыл бұрын
There is a really simple way to nullify the lapel choke with your chin against the back of the wrist which will create a wrist crank and bruises the wrist which will leave your arms free to finish them with either a can opener or a flurry of hard punches. I personally think that lapel choke is the dumbest move in grappling whether from guard or mount it leaves you wide open to a lot of attacks and reversals. P. S. You will only have to stick your chin in once and that person will never try again pretty soon no one in your class will either. No one does that choke to me or my thirteen year old son anymore
@EmpiricalPragmatist8 жыл бұрын
+RyuDragonLaw I can only suppose that your training partners must not be very good with this move. Half the skill of getting it on in the first place is getting under the chin, and you shouldn't be able to punch hard because they should be pulling your head down the the mat next to theirs.
@jaystory45512 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@markopolo66408 жыл бұрын
great video
@FortressMT6 жыл бұрын
Nice details!
@raminmohajeri64457 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. very useful.
@Bikdicbandit9 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video, my teacher is really good at this choke and gets me everytime with it. But how do I defend this from the guard or mount when im underneath him??
@legaulois75884 жыл бұрын
Armbar him
@nicholasnj37789 жыл бұрын
#3 if you cant get the Gi out what about just pushing down with your elbow on the inside by the opponents elbow... any thoughts?
@frostysmoke377 ай бұрын
Wow love it!
@zhenglin3642 жыл бұрын
Could you tell me how to defend back cross collar choke
@tylerdurden76903 жыл бұрын
shouldnt he escape the guard before a submission... or... ?
@noaidie7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very Helpful... OSS
@Zwalter7 жыл бұрын
on counter 3 its kinda a time consuming getting the lapel and if your not fast enough you'll get sweep easily
@jonathanfairmusic8 жыл бұрын
Cool techniques here... I tried the Thrust choke on a 3 stripe white belt tonight and he didn't see it coming.. Tried it on a 2 stripe blue belt and the knee in the hip crease to block arm bar was useless when he grabbed the back of my ankle to sweep me. So... be mindful of that.
@heymelon7 жыл бұрын
So I guess you didn't let go and tried to get out as soon as he let go of his choke ?
@TheElThomaso6 жыл бұрын
Better getting swept than choked ;D
@Nick-pk3tl7 жыл бұрын
when you bump his grip to the other side of your neck is it baseball choke territory?
@fulca43899 жыл бұрын
thanks! can you do submissions from half guard and when you are in someones guard? please ?
@kirito30822 жыл бұрын
Why is counter 1 illegal in Judo? Is there injury risk on my partner?
@hollowjack87113 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to do an omoplata from the bottom position?
@joshroa91112 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Junmarvi Жыл бұрын
Thank you… OSSS
@davidbentonrealestate30119 жыл бұрын
Great defenses but on #4 why would you not attack the opposite side instead so that you unwind the ckoke rather than tighten it?
@TheElThomaso6 жыл бұрын
David Benton Real Estate good point! I assume it doesn't matter too much and he always chooses his right (dominant) side for the counter, regardless of the guard players side of attack. I think it'll work regardless, as the main defense is the hereby created distance. Against a very strong opponent, it may make a difference though. Let's see if and what Stephan replies to this.
@elrico39406 жыл бұрын
David Benton Real Estate he looks right handed so theres more strength to be done quickly. Weak arm you might not get it done as fast as your meant to
@davebond73805 жыл бұрын
Thanks steve
@scottmarlow60189 жыл бұрын
thanks so much!
@assholus2287 жыл бұрын
I am just not too sure about relying on a lapel
@cjsalda7 жыл бұрын
hey you can get an ambar if you use the third solution
@mcdyloomcdyloo82329 жыл бұрын
Is technique 3 possible if your posture is broken , as in chest to chest
@machinegunpreacher24699 жыл бұрын
+McDyloo McDyloo It would be a lot harder to get his lapel out; but as far as blocking his free arm it works about the same. What you could do is use your (in the case of the situation in this video) left hand to start working his grip loose or "answer the phone" with it. Bottom line is: Address the lapel grip immediately. Strip it off immediately, or better still block his hand before he gets the grip. Good luck in your training and I hope this helps.
@Vikt0rian4 жыл бұрын
Curious question, is the cross collar grip (or any technique that replicates it under the other conditions) applicable without the specific kind of gear used for BJJ? Either if your torso is completely uncovered, or very minimal coverage. (like a tank-top or similar)
@taymerelane2 жыл бұрын
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@MichaelShulski8 жыл бұрын
At about the 7:00 mark can't the guy turn that into an omoplata with that defense?
@cameronforbes26497 жыл бұрын
Based on some of the escapes I'm used too seeing we would turn the palm the opposite direction as soon as we broke to get the arm out. A lot of times they say 'Spaghetti Plate Up' or JKD people trainging BJJ might say Tan Sao (check out Master Wong's Tan Sao video). AND pull the Elbow to your knee.
@gear7729 жыл бұрын
What is your jiu jitsu lineage?
@robinenman9 жыл бұрын
On the GROUND, JUDOKA can 2 hand Grip Break. Just from standing... Maybe you didn't know this? Or maybe it was just a matter of the way it was explained and I didn't understand.
@rcoles829 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@j.p.ccastro57177 жыл бұрын
muy bueno
@Gumbasification7 жыл бұрын
Did he say baby? :O
@ronthemogul6 жыл бұрын
Lovely
@bjj_beard9 жыл бұрын
Looks like Ritchie choked you out at 2.23! :)
@bjj_beard9 жыл бұрын
Nice video, by the way. I especially liked technique 3. Thanks for sharing these tips.
@awmartian4248 жыл бұрын
Ty
@vstar9553Ай бұрын
👍🏻
@josedeanchieta15745 жыл бұрын
9:48
@andyx22993 жыл бұрын
niccccccccccce ^^ Oss
@RE4SHADOW9 жыл бұрын
Your vids would be better if they were 3-6 minutes long. I love the info but not the extra time that could be cut out. Great knowledge shared of course, so thank you.