4 Counters to the Cross Collar Grip from Closed Guard in BJJ

[@DR-7h0m4s]

7 years ago. Timeless info. Thank you Stephan!

[@TheElThomaso]

I love this format of giving several options depending on context. Reminds me of some of your earlier works (like the RNC video with all the different details and adjustments, which is still valuable by today's standards). Thanks a lot for sharing! Please keep more coming like this =)

[@jeffbolton622]

Quality techniques as always.... been training along time and I am always impressed with the instruction from this guy!

[@martialway100]

Thank you Stephan for all of your excellent grappling and self defence videos, over the past few years. Excellent tips and a great instructor.

[@Brian-qo1sd]

I have a training partner in mind for trialling these defences. He's heavily reliant on cross collar chokes & to be fair he's very proficient at it, he's had a high percentage of success utilising them. Understanding that 'iron sharpens iron' I guess I get the bonus of developing these counters against a proficient cross collar specialist & he gets the benefit of forewarning about what will come to be more & more common if he overplays a certain tactic. Thanks, great instructional again, Stephan.

[@간지킹-t8u]

every time I come back to this clip I see new details. Thx for this!

[@horseman1968]

I really liked this video. It explained a lot from the transition I took from JJJ 30 years ago to the BJJ I've started studying.

[@Scotty-BK]

Hey Stephan, white belt here and just saying thanks to you and Ritchie for this video. I hit the standing thrust choke yesterday and it worked beautifully. Though I definitely need to work my defense more, hahaha!

[@Laurogrott]

This video is seriously undervalued.

[@mancpaul01]

Used the standing thrust choke today whilst rolling. Got a tap. Thank you.

[@SuperMerlot]

Thanks. I was choked like 5 times yesterday from that position

[@vecino7]

Same here, I was choked 3 times like this lol. Great counter and very easy to do looks like.

[@ronthemogul]

Haha I was getting wrecked with the same thing. My neck has crazy gi burn

[@JDGage]

Late to the show. But ya same here. The guy was so aggressive he accidentally punched me in the face while doing the cross collar choke.

[@polus2494]

@@JDGage Free boxing training!

[@saltandvinegar9884]

its such a cheap choke haha

[@reyg7028]

Stephan ,the two hand collar grip break is only illegal in judo if your engaged in Tachi Waza .Its still perfectly legal in Newaza.

[@간지킹-t8u]

@LION TAMER definitely not in closed guard games but you cannot say entire game of newaza is excluded from Judo

[@089hlj]

I've used the standing thrust choke a lot, but you are right; you can be arm-barred if you don't do it fast.

[@huskylord123]

Thank you, this was just what I needed to address what was happening to me time after time.

[@LifeGate27]

Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful Professor Kesting~

[@garrettwebster6349]

As a newbie white belt I’ve used the thrust choke on a purple belt very aggressively and it shocked him so much that it rolled him almost onto his stomach to avoid the choke lol

[@Jknudsen0523]

Your logo would look cool if it was a siloutte of your right hand. It's like a signature look. I learn so much from your videos. Thank you Stephen.

[@andreaorozco9660]

Gosh I hate this stupid choke as much as I hate side control. I just started and I had to go against a blue belt. He was a big dude, about 6'4. I could roll him no problem, but he got me with this choke. Thanks for posting this. I'm going to work on this and breaking out of someone's guard. 😁

[@llecnam]

great lesson stephan

[@amirkazemi2517]

excellent video..thank you stephen!

[@leonidr8517]

After learning this I no longer feel danger while in this position.

[@lmjr0419]

great job explaining the details.

[@mrtruthforever]

Thank you. You are a great teacher.

[@StevenAlvarez]

#4 is risky but super effective if successful, def gonna try it out

[@anon2034]

Standing Thrust Choke is brilliant!

[@kelleymcbride4633]

great tips for escaping cross collar choke thank you!

[@HOCKEY_KONG]

beautiful! Thanks Stephan, definitely going to utilize these next class!

[@samuel-JF1981]

The "standing thrust choke" os called "amassa pão" in Brazil. It works, the Key is to be fast to escape when your traning partner changes fron choke to arm bar. Other option os Ezequiel choke!

[@kallenijs]

Excellent! Say, is #4 only a counter or an effective technique on its own? My school just started working on guard again and I bet no one's expecting submissions from the top.

[@GamerShowcaseWeekly]

Hey Steve, this is allowed in Judo if you are on the ground. But yes, it's not illegal while standing now.

[@GamerShowcaseWeekly]

GamerShowcase But yes, it's now* illegal while standing now.

[@DONRANNIREALTOR]

Great video can't wait to try it

[@ernestlapornik8979]

Great video, but for the thrust choke option would it not be better to attack the side of the arm coming underneath so that you effectively "unwrap" the choke? Coming from the topside may tighten it further

[@klavier0x99]

Amazing thanks Stephan

[@scott9918]

Love this, great info!

[@chapmacpherson2626]

Love your videos, so informative

[@IDWIE]

Pure awesomeness

[@DS-wd2of]

thank you your videos are a big help

[@SurveyofFilmMusic]

The last choke is called the masapone (sp?)

[@버터-v1t]

This video helped a lot. Thanks..!

[@nicholasnj3778]

very nice video, great tips

[@k.padraigokane1472]

Standing Thrust Choke. We call it the "amasa pon." It means "kneading dough" in portuguese. It's a total disaster and virtually unused. If you're tall you can use this from MANY positions and get taps all the time!

[@ricardoborgesba]

Great stuff!!

[@brandonkeys7431]

Thank you for this video

[@nicholasnj3778]

#3 if you cant get the Gi out what about just pushing down with your elbow on the inside by the opponents elbow... any thoughts?

[@danbei2232]

Good stuff!! 👍🏽

[@Bikdicbandit]

thanks for this video, my teacher is really good at this choke and gets me everytime with it. But how do I defend this from the guard or mount when im underneath him??

[@legaulois7588]

Armbar him

[@markopolo6640]

great video

[@raminmohajeri6445]

Thanks a lot. very useful.

[@Sr.D]

Counter 4 it's called tsukomi jime in Judo, and if you're not in a club very ijf rules focused you can break the grip with both hands, besides it's not illegal in ne waza. not here to irritate, i practice both and love both.

[@SergioArroyoSailing]

thanks stephan!

[@christophertaylor3150]

I have been choked unconscious for resisting that last choke.

[@SteveSSBB]

Solid stuff!

[@yevt]

Thanks for the lesson. But why didn't you say about the most popular defense - answering the phone?

[@jaystory4551]

Thank you

[@SpoeckerNelkenLP]

Really nice Video and really nice Channel, you are a great help! I use much of your Stuff in my Fights, just THANKS! :) Stephan Kesting

[@FortressMT]

Nice details!

[@fulca4389]

thanks! can you do submissions from half guard and when you are in someones guard? please ?

[@noaidie]

Thanks! Very Helpful... OSS

[@Nick-pk3tl]

when you bump his grip to the other side of your neck is it baseball choke territory?

[@k5r2d2]

#4 works, i have done this as a white belt to defend against purple... yeah it gets out 'out ' , never tried knee on hip.... ok I will do this with my uke next week.... domo arigaro sensei stephenru

[@PiterTraceurFA]

Great vid, thanks

[@frostysmoke37]

Wow love it!

[@zhenglin364]

Could you tell me how to defend back cross collar choke

[@Vikt0rian]

Curious question, is the cross collar grip (or any technique that replicates it under the other conditions) applicable without the specific kind of gear used for BJJ? Either if your torso is completely uncovered, or very minimal coverage. (like a tank-top or similar)

[@taymerelane]

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[@alhuntington6208]

I do plunging choke from bottom when I am in guard position I give a little pull so he reacts up exposing his neck i put my plunging arm elbow on my hip for leverage (this adds incredible power) i'm an old man and I get a ton of guys with this

[@davidbentonrealestate3011]

Great defenses but on #4 why would you not attack the opposite side instead so that you unwind the ckoke rather than tighten it?

[@TheElThomaso]

David Benton Real Estate good point! I assume it doesn't matter too much and he always chooses his right (dominant) side for the counter, regardless of the guard players side of attack. I think it'll work regardless, as the main defense is the hereby created distance. Against a very strong opponent, it may make a difference though. Let's see if and what Stephan replies to this.

[@elrico3940]

David Benton Real Estate he looks right handed so theres more strength to be done quickly. Weak arm you might not get it done as fast as your meant to

[@Djent7779]

"lapel based problem"

[@hollowjack8711]

Is it possible to do an omoplata from the bottom position?

[@MetalGamer666]

So you CAN tap someone from inside their guard! Gonna try #4 even if they don't try to choke me!

[@nicholasnj3778]

+Metal Gamer we have a guy who is a "master" of the Ezikel/ loop choke from inside the guard , he has won many bouts in competition with this

[@MetalGamer666]

Nicholas NJ The loop choke seems like it's fairly easy to block, though. And with both his hands occupied with the Ezekiel, how does he prevent getting arm barred?

[@nicholasnj3778]

Metal Gamer he won several 1st place NAGA tournaments at Blue Belt, 3rd Place IBJJF and now at Purple belt ... he goes to another gym to "roll" in NYC and even caught a black belt the 1st time he did it ... he pressures down , (similar but not the same as what is shown as #4in this video,

[@gibbacool2009]

Nicholas NJ Ezequiel is the name of a Brazilian Judô and Brazilian jiu-jítsu competitor back in the day who developed most of the first variation of the “ Ezequiel chokes “ thus the name of those chokes

[@GUTOMOFFICIAL]

My instructor would say you're still in Closed Guard. lol

[@gxvault4166]

Ahhh the difference between a competition focused school VS a self defense focused school. 😃

[@davebond7380]

Thanks steve

[@sparkyk24]

It's been said, but this move is totally legal in judo! You can't do it in a standing position, but none of those gripping rules apply in matwork (except for maybe the pistol grip, I can't remember).

[@scottmarlow6018]

thanks so much!

[@jonathanfairmusic]

Cool techniques here... I tried the Thrust choke on a 3 stripe white belt tonight and he didn't see it coming.. Tried it on a 2 stripe blue belt and the knee in the hip crease to block arm bar was useless when he grabbed the back of my ankle to sweep me. So... be mindful of that.

[@heymelon]

So I guess you didn't let go and tried to get out as soon as he let go of his choke ?

[@TheElThomaso]

Better getting swept than choked ;D

[@joshroa9111]

Thanks

[@mcdyloomcdyloo8232]

Is technique 3 possible if your posture is broken , as in chest to chest

[@machinegunpreacher2469]

+McDyloo McDyloo It would be a lot harder to get his lapel out; but as far as blocking his free arm it works about the same. What you could do is use your (in the case of the situation in this video) left hand to start working his grip loose or "answer the phone" with it. Bottom line is: Address the lapel grip immediately. Strip it off immediately, or better still block his hand before he gets the grip. Good luck in your training and I hope this helps.

[@j.p.ccastro5717]

muy bueno

[@awmartian424]

Ty

[@tylerdurden7690]

shouldnt he escape the guard before a submission... or... ?

[@kirito3082]

Why is counter 1 illegal in Judo? Is there injury risk on my partner?

[@RyuDragonLaw]

There is a really simple way to nullify the lapel choke with your chin against the back of the wrist which will create a wrist crank and bruises the wrist which will leave your arms free to finish them with either a can opener or a flurry of hard punches. I personally think that lapel choke is the dumbest move in grappling whether from guard or mount it leaves you wide open to a lot of attacks and reversals. P. S. You will only have to stick your chin in once and that person will never try again pretty soon no one in your class will either. No one does that choke to me or my thirteen year old son anymore

[@EmpiricalPragmatist]

+RyuDragonLaw I can only suppose that your training partners must not be very good with this move. Half the skill of getting it on in the first place is getting under the chin, and you shouldn't be able to punch hard because they should be pulling your head down the the mat next to theirs.

[@MichaelShulski]

At about the 7:00 mark can't the guy turn that into an omoplata with that defense?

[@cameronforbes2649]

Based on some of the escapes I'm used too seeing we would turn the palm the opposite direction as soon as we broke to get the arm out. A lot of times they say 'Spaghetti Plate Up' or JKD people trainging BJJ might say Tan Sao (check out Master Wong's Tan Sao video). AND pull the Elbow to your knee.

[@gear772]

What is your jiu jitsu lineage?

[@Crystals10000]

#4 seems nice for a long arm boy like me

[@Zwalter]

on counter 3 its kinda a time consuming getting the lapel and if your not fast enough you'll get sweep easily

[@rcoles82]

Awesome

[@assholus228]

I am just not too sure about relying on a lapel

[@ronthemogul]

Lovely

[@Junmarvi]

Thank you… OSSS

[@cjsalda]

hey you can get an ambar if you use the third solution

[@vstar9553]

👍🏻

[@josedeanchieta1574]

9:48

[@robinenman]

On the GROUND, JUDOKA can 2 hand Grip Break. Just from standing... Maybe you didn't know this? Or maybe it was just a matter of the way it was explained and I didn't understand.

[@Gumbasification]

Did he say baby? :O

[@bjj_beard]

Looks like Ritchie choked you out at 2.23! :)

[@bjj_beard]

Nice video, by the way. I especially liked technique 3. Thanks for sharing these tips.

[@andyx2299]

niccccccccccce ^^ Oss

[@RE4SHADOW]

Your vids would be better if they were 3-6 minutes long. I love the info but not the extra time that could be cut out. Great knowledge shared of course, so thank you.