Stephen A.: I would take a healthy Anthony Davis over Luka AND Jokic! | First Take

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@nbafanboy1967
@nbafanboy1967 2 жыл бұрын
You would never guess Jokic is a back to back mvp the way stephen a talks about him. The disrespect is unreal.
@robertovisser9255
@robertovisser9255 2 жыл бұрын
shame on him
@---kr3zg
@---kr3zg 2 жыл бұрын
In the bubble when AD was apparently "destroying" jokic, jokic wasn't even close to how good he is now 2 years ago he wasn't even averaging 20ppg and the last game jokic played against AD he dropped 38-18-6 on 15-22 shooting with a couple steals and blocks on his head and made him look like a child AD may have been better than jokic 2 years ago but now jokic is way better
@ajalegria5726
@ajalegria5726 2 жыл бұрын
@@---kr3zg absolutely
@VLAD_P_
@VLAD_P_ 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry . These clowns will never give the respect to a white European b2b MVP .. Jokic can just shut them up by playing amazing basketball
@dominiquebrown2890
@dominiquebrown2890 2 жыл бұрын
@@VLAD_P_ theres no criteria for mvp its a media voted award
@trvspvrk
@trvspvrk 2 жыл бұрын
AD over the 2 time reigning mvp and the best young player in the league who took his team to the WCF in his 4th season Stephen A is a joke😭😭😭
@Tonebonethetiger
@Tonebonethetiger 2 жыл бұрын
They both got a ring Gianni’s just got two mvps that’s nice and all but in LA we play for championships #17
@keenanmolden2655
@keenanmolden2655 2 жыл бұрын
Well you guys won't be playing for that again anytime soon
@louisb5766
@louisb5766 2 жыл бұрын
@@keenanmolden2655 LMAO checkmate, im sure the lakers would trade AD at a moments notice for Luka and Jokic.
@DerkB0990
@DerkB0990 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tonebonethetiger such a cringe comment 🤣 AD is not a top 12 player and not a single GM would take him over Luka or Joker even if healthy… do better, buddy
@richcharlesmurphy451
@richcharlesmurphy451 2 жыл бұрын
Let me play 1vs1 to 21 who you think gonna win?
@hottakes2633
@hottakes2633 2 жыл бұрын
So SAS wants to bring up defense here, but when it comes to KD vs. Giannis, he never brings it up. Instead, he decides to meat-ride KD because he can "pull up from 30".
@TribeofFavor
@TribeofFavor 2 жыл бұрын
What they say ain't the gospel
@keandregreen5628
@keandregreen5628 2 жыл бұрын
Because kd is a great defender too casual
@YJP23
@YJP23 2 жыл бұрын
Jj is correct Accept luka isn’t top 5 or 10 He hasn’t done anything
@user-de1ko7fv5m
@user-de1ko7fv5m 2 жыл бұрын
@@keandregreen5628 stop it KDs defence is above average on good days. The gap between him and giannis defensively is so large it’s comical
@Ornitorrincopozolero
@Ornitorrincopozolero 2 жыл бұрын
@@YJP23 tell me you a casual fan without telling me you are a casual fan
@Dean_Winchester247
@Dean_Winchester247 2 жыл бұрын
"You're putting a Robin in a top 7... He's the only Robin in the top 7 and a bunch of Batmans after him.." --Good point
@Rambomilla55
@Rambomilla55 2 жыл бұрын
If Ad was on a different team do you still think he’ll be a Robin?
@j5daniel182
@j5daniel182 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rambomilla55 JJ did mention that all the Batmans he mentioned has at least reached the Conference Finals . AD has bever reached the Conference Finals as a Batman.
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
the robin stuff makes no sense. We are talking who is a better player not mor valuable to their teams. There is a difference. Kobe was shaq's robin when they 3 peated but was easily a top 3 player. Yall forget just how good a healthy AD is
@e.m-n6q
@e.m-n6q 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rambomilla55 if ad is your batmen you aint winning the chip
@romeothompson9389
@romeothompson9389 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rambomilla55 if he was on a different team he’d be a perennial play in participator and wouldn’t be anywhere near a top 10 player did you miss his pelican days ?
@iTzJuStInFTW
@iTzJuStInFTW 2 жыл бұрын
JJ repeatedly making Stephan A. look stupid on his own show. I love it lol
@watchmyshoes22
@watchmyshoes22 2 жыл бұрын
IKR JJ is the best goat of analysis in fact
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
jj dead wrong on this one
@pronobb8104
@pronobb8104 2 жыл бұрын
@@luminousrxk7288 AD is overrated. Still one of the top players in the league when healthy but plenty of players I'd take over him
@watchmyshoes22
@watchmyshoes22 2 жыл бұрын
@@luminousrxk7288 How's he wrong?
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
@@watchmyshoes22 AD better than jimmy luka jokic and tatum by far
@isayanavarrete4111
@isayanavarrete4111 2 жыл бұрын
What has AD done in the playoffs without LeBron, Luka just took a bunch of 2nd rounders and undrafted guys to the WCF. Luka> AD
@WrestlingIsReal649
@WrestlingIsReal649 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen a tweaking 😭😭😭😭
@DEMI-sq5uf
@DEMI-sq5uf 2 жыл бұрын
just down played luka supporting cast to meat pull luka 😭😭😭
@joshuabrown3591
@joshuabrown3591 2 жыл бұрын
@@DEMI-sq5uf they act like Jalen Brunson wasn’t going crazy
@SubjectMatter100
@SubjectMatter100 2 жыл бұрын
Luka is the best player in the NBA
@DEMI-sq5uf
@DEMI-sq5uf 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuabrown3591 smh on 🐓
@lazzi2462
@lazzi2462 2 жыл бұрын
People (especially SAS) overrate AD so much, he might be the most overrated player of this generation. It wasn't until Giannis won a chip when SAS finally put Giannis over AD. AD is just like a slightly better version of KAT when it comes to leading his own team, he won't get you far & will just be putting up empty stats. People would say AD can shoot while at the same time saying Giannis can't, yet Giannis' career 3pt percentage is only 1.5% lower than AD's. SAS hates international players, putting AD over Giannis for so long, now over Luka & Jokic. AD cannot impact a team at all as the #1 guy, he's not like those 3.
@camronjohnson8363
@camronjohnson8363 2 жыл бұрын
Anthony DAVIS is way better than KAt because of the defensive impact
@tdubcashin1121
@tdubcashin1121 2 жыл бұрын
Davis injury history is the problem He swept Damian and CJ in the playoffs
@lazzi2462
@lazzi2462 2 жыл бұрын
@@camronjohnson8363 I did say he was better, but both still aren't great as the #1 guy on a team. They both are just empty stats guys. As the #1, Jokic puts up crazy stats too, but he's at least making an impact.
@lazzi2462
@lazzi2462 2 жыл бұрын
@@tdubcashin1121 Even when he was healthy, he just can't lead a team. Prior to his last season with the Pels, all the pre-season talk from AD was "I'm gonna win MVP this year, We got something special here." Yet dude quit on them, he had 2 guys averaging 20+ppg that season, Jrue & Randle, yet he quit on them. Sweeping Lillard & CJ is not really an accomplishment. Lol
@lazzi2462
@lazzi2462 2 жыл бұрын
@the ugly duckling Exactly! And AD had Jrue while Jrue was in his prime. Giannis just a better leader & just a better player overall.
@trendingandviralvideos6460
@trendingandviralvideos6460 2 жыл бұрын
Horrible take Luka and Jokic have both led their teams to the conference finals ad couldn’t get outta the second round as the man
@darnellwilliams8783
@darnellwilliams8783 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great take yall forget what Healthy Anthony Davis was doing his first year in LA he was A DPOY candidate leolle were saying him and Giannis were neck and neck
@RubyMaster_mlbb
@RubyMaster_mlbb 2 жыл бұрын
He literally didnt have any help and if he did every player was injured like tyreke evans and holiday were always injured
@jeremiahsmith7706
@jeremiahsmith7706 2 жыл бұрын
This is a team sport brother. He went up against golden state the two times he went to the playoffs lmao
@trevorhandberry2158
@trevorhandberry2158 2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!
@tarunreddy335
@tarunreddy335 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahsmith7706 he was at pelicans for six seasons. Played a total of 13 playoff games. Missed playoffs for 4 years. Luka is playing with second rounders and undrafted guys.
@719603
@719603 2 жыл бұрын
You really cannot separate an injury prone player from injuries. You’d have to factory this into his overall value.
@Whos-That-Guy
@Whos-That-Guy 2 жыл бұрын
Historically yes. But as it happens I think it's fair to compare.
@DTylereRod
@DTylereRod 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd take Bill Walton pre-injuries too. Or MVP D-Rose or Pre-Blowed out Blake. They were all top 3 in their position. But then they weren't. Like what are we talking about here? AD is a 7 footer about to turn 30 who can't stay on the floor. We don't live in dreamland, where he's playing like he's still on New Orleans. Sheesh.
@weho_brian
@weho_brian 2 жыл бұрын
its a hypothetical question but it also doesnt make sense. AD CANNOT play the way he use to or else he will get injured (means jumping for rebounds, taking the ball to hole, playing defense) and so because of that fact hes not top ten
@Maxjuliann
@Maxjuliann 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes Stephen a just needs to admit when he is wrong . He didn’t win this debate
@naklovesjesus3204
@naklovesjesus3204 2 жыл бұрын
Lol when he spoke he actually made it worse😂
@COR_LUND
@COR_LUND 2 жыл бұрын
Shut up
@A-saysitasitis
@A-saysitasitis 2 жыл бұрын
@@naklovesjesus3204 true 😂
@naklovesjesus3204
@naklovesjesus3204 2 жыл бұрын
@@A-saysitasitis Ain't no way I'm taking AD over Luka and Jokic, not only that I probably ain't taking him over most ppl on the 2nd list. 😅 Sas on something
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
@@naklovesjesus3204 the robin stuff makes no sense. We are talking who is a better player not mor valuable to their teams. There is a difference. Kobe was shaq's robin when they 3 peated but was easily a top 3 player. Yall forget just how good a healthy AD is
@aggelostzimagiorgis
@aggelostzimagiorgis 2 жыл бұрын
people forget that ad was healthy this season and he was averaging 16% from 3 and 23ppg so no way im taking him over these 2 dudes
@jeremiahsmith7706
@jeremiahsmith7706 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't healthy this season lol
@MO-rl9gl
@MO-rl9gl 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahsmith7706 At the start of the season he was.
@justicesmith3255
@justicesmith3255 2 жыл бұрын
So we going to forget those 7 years AD played for Pelicans was sorry for wasting his career not mention they let rondo and boogie cousin go to another team . Come on bro can’t put that on dude .
@jeremiahsmith7706
@jeremiahsmith7706 2 жыл бұрын
@@justicesmith3255 no help
@lazzi2462
@lazzi2462 2 жыл бұрын
@@justicesmith3255 AD also had Jrue who won a chip as soon as he went to the Bucks, & Julius Randle who won MIP as soon as he went to the Knicks. AD just can't lead a team. Luka's best teammates this year were Brunson & Dinwiddie, & they whooped a 64 win Suns team to get to the WCF. If AD had Brunson & Dinwiddle as his 2nd best teammates, he'd lead them to a lottery picks only. AD can't lead a team. Lol
@marcharter839
@marcharter839 2 жыл бұрын
If i had to start a team today, Luka is my first pick. A.D wouldn't even be in my top 10!
@JT-vk9jq
@JT-vk9jq 2 жыл бұрын
if you factor in health and age, he might not even crack top 20
@johnmeraz7348
@johnmeraz7348 2 жыл бұрын
Not even top 75 or me 😂😂
@camronjohnson8363
@camronjohnson8363 2 жыл бұрын
That’s because of health and she not just straight ability
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
Giannis must just be on pluto or something right now huh❓
@YJP23
@YJP23 2 жыл бұрын
Jj is correct Accept luka isn’t top 5 or 10 He hasn’t done anything
@Michailb-jm7sg
@Michailb-jm7sg 2 жыл бұрын
Like Stephen would say BLASPHEMOUS Ad ain’t better than Luka and Jokic even when healthy
@camronjohnson8363
@camronjohnson8363 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on what u ask for when comparing jokic because ad defensive impact is what slight him over joker in some eyes
@vi2935
@vi2935 2 жыл бұрын
@@camronjohnson8363 defense important but overall impact on winning is more important
@Michailb-jm7sg
@Michailb-jm7sg 2 жыл бұрын
@@camronjohnson8363bro if Jokic wouldn’t be on the nuggets and you put a healthy AD on the team,they barely get 25 wins Jokic is way better on impact winning and he’s clearly a number one Same for Luka
@camronjohnson8363
@camronjohnson8363 2 жыл бұрын
@@Michailb-jm7sg mmm I remember a healthy AD carrying those pelicans teams you don’t think AD Jamal And MPJ plus the crew would get a good season
@Michailb-jm7sg
@Michailb-jm7sg 2 жыл бұрын
@@camronjohnson8363 especially this season with no MPJ and Jamal no Healthy AD couldn’t I mean he was twice with the pels in the playoffs First was a second round sweep and the other was a first round exit
@YER3721
@YER3721 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen A 😂 lol. Both Luka and Jokic have been better than AD the second the bubble ended.
@Goxilla
@Goxilla 2 жыл бұрын
Luka was even better in the bubble
@doesntmatter6453
@doesntmatter6453 2 жыл бұрын
AD just stay hurt. AD better all around plus Luka a Cone in defense
@cavemanyogi150
@cavemanyogi150 2 жыл бұрын
Rookie Luka was better than AD
@10359877
@10359877 2 жыл бұрын
@@Goxilla no…. AD was playing at an all time great level in the bubble. He dropped off after getting his ring. Such a shame since I believe he will never return to that level anymore
@studmuffin3264
@studmuffin3264 2 жыл бұрын
​@@doesntmatter6453 3 first team all pros in 3 years. Can't argue against that.
@tgenobolton2291
@tgenobolton2291 2 жыл бұрын
Notice how SAS added Tatum and Butler in the mix to muddle up the argument. no way anyone would take Anthony Davis over Luka, or the Joker .
@NothingElseMattersJM
@NothingElseMattersJM 2 жыл бұрын
Why not ? WHEN HEALTHY he’s a far better defender than both of them and can score 25+ on elite efficiency and shoot 80% from the line
@Klocks420
@Klocks420 2 жыл бұрын
@@NothingElseMattersJM he can’t lead a team and puts up empty stats. He’s a Robin while Luka and Jokic are legit #1’s
@JasonCheungNY
@JasonCheungNY 2 жыл бұрын
A player's durability and availability HAS to be factored in. It doesn't matter how great Davis is if he can't stay on the floor. If "when healthy" is a qualifier, then guys like Greg Oden, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Brandon Roy would be all-time greats.
@krishanadriano
@krishanadriano 2 жыл бұрын
Brandon Roy
@kidfresh227
@kidfresh227 2 жыл бұрын
They haven’t proven anything tho
@Playboyy1985
@Playboyy1985 2 жыл бұрын
Greg Oden and Roy were never great even when healthy
@kidfresh227
@kidfresh227 2 жыл бұрын
@@Playboyy1985 Brandon roy was a dog u crazy he took the trailblazers to almost the west conference finals and they only had like 8 players or soemthing like that and they won 50+ games I know players ya think great couldn’t even make the playoffs
@Playboyy1985
@Playboyy1985 2 жыл бұрын
@@kidfresh227 in his beat season he averaged 22-5-5 on 48% shooting and no defense. Those are borderline all star numbers. Very very very far away from all time great numbers
@23TDJ
@23TDJ 2 жыл бұрын
I'm stuck on how you even question if Kawhi is top 7 player when healthy? Kawhi is 1 of 5 players who's led a team to championship, 2 time FMVP, 2 time DPOY, he's been either 1st or 2nd Team All-NBA the his past 5 healthy years, and just last year was avg 30, 7, 4, and 2.1 steals on 57,39,88 shooting splits on way to a historic playoff run before getting hurt.
@superstar_h_gamer5211
@superstar_h_gamer5211 2 жыл бұрын
But we don't know if kawhi will comeback the same is the reason why i think If he's the same yeah it's a slam dunk then
@ericlord4649
@ericlord4649 2 жыл бұрын
SAS is still hung up on when Denver played LA in the WCF. TODAY they're different players than two years ago. The only time Jokic and AD faced off this year, Jokic had 38, 18, 6 on 68% shooting in 33 minutes. AD had 28, 9, 8 on 44% shooting in 35 minutes. AD has declined the past two seasons when he has actually played. Jokic has elevated his game to a completely different level since then.
@cjnunez9306
@cjnunez9306 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone seen AD dominate like Jokic with almost triple doubles every game not jus scoring lol
@dboyondec
@dboyondec 2 жыл бұрын
I seen him shut down jokic and sent him home
@manxue3205
@manxue3205 2 жыл бұрын
nope
@jonathanmilongo6392
@jonathanmilongo6392 2 жыл бұрын
@@dboyondec Lebron dominated Jokic** that’s such a stupid statement.
@improbablyyourdad8458
@improbablyyourdad8458 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone seen Jokic win a ring like AD
@doesntmatter6453
@doesntmatter6453 2 жыл бұрын
AD lead Lakers in EVERY other category besides assists the Year the Lakers won the title. In the reg season. Look it up. If he didn't lead he had more than lebron in every category. Look it up
@fredb6515
@fredb6515 2 жыл бұрын
When kawhi healthy he’s top 5
@user-dc7um4pr3f
@user-dc7um4pr3f 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah thing is guys like AD and Kawhi. They might not ever be healthy again unfortunately... That's a very real possibility. You know a healthy Derrick Rose coulda won a ring. Same with Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway. Healthy Kobe Bryant could be the all-time leading scorer. That's just not how it goes unfortunately.
@ajtaylor8750
@ajtaylor8750 2 жыл бұрын
This video made me remember the "AD is this generation's Tim Duncan" comparison First Take and even Undisputed did. That was just BLASPHEMOUS! Even when healthy I'm not taking AD over Kawhi, Dame, Jimmy, JT, and definitely not Luka or Joker. You can't put a Robin in the same echelon as a Batman.
@doesntmatter6453
@doesntmatter6453 2 жыл бұрын
Manz swept Dame and CJ with Jrue and Etwan moore😂
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
the robin stuff makes no sense. We are talking who is a better player not mor valuable to their teams. There is a difference. Kobe was shaq's robin when they 3 peated but was easily a top 3 player. Yall forget just how good a healthy AD is
@doesntmatter6453
@doesntmatter6453 2 жыл бұрын
AD really just be on cruise control. If he ever "turn it up" like he did in the bubble. Mfs in trouble
@cavemanyogi150
@cavemanyogi150 2 жыл бұрын
@@luminousrxk7288 Shaq was the Robin kid. You don't know what you're watching.
@torianellis5464
@torianellis5464 2 жыл бұрын
@@cavemanyogi150 na first 7 seasons bro he wasn’t the robin and for sure first 5 he was robin
@folkscrazyouthere3076
@folkscrazyouthere3076 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all notice that The last two 2nd options LeBron helped win a chip get completely overrated by Stephen A Smith and certain guys in the media . Kyrie and AD literally have done nothing as a leader of a team to warrant the praise they get which is overhyped. How can this dude with a straight face say he'll take AD over Luka after watching what he did in these playoffs.
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
Keep ky out of this I think he has proven that when the game is on the line he’s someone you have no doubts ab(specifically ab his game) not the alleged “drama”
@folkscrazyouthere3076
@folkscrazyouthere3076 2 жыл бұрын
@@bartier861 lol okay
@franknbeans2623
@franknbeans2623 2 жыл бұрын
@@bartier861 If he has someone to carry him to important moments then yes he can deliver. Apparently the first round of the playoffs aren't important enough for him to show up for tho
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t everyone talking ab how the lakers traded for a top 5 player❓
@franknbeans2623
@franknbeans2623 2 жыл бұрын
@@bartier861 I can appreciate the positivity
@yengvang8737
@yengvang8737 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to hear "if healthy" when it comes to AD bro..
@matthewlukas9137
@matthewlukas9137 2 жыл бұрын
JJ killed it
@katkoot71
@katkoot71 2 жыл бұрын
This is such an asinine take it’s not even worth picking apart
@trevorhandberry2158
@trevorhandberry2158 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible how wild and wrong this guy SAS is. He is constantly getting bodied. Jokic is TWO TIME MVP! lol
@Un_k_noWN
@Un_k_noWN 2 жыл бұрын
A healthy Davis is like Big Foot, doesnt exist.
@soulslayer434
@soulslayer434 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason AD was top 5 the 1st year with Lebron was because Steph and KD were injured and Joker/Embiid weren't at MVP level at that point (and Luka was still young).
@10359877
@10359877 2 жыл бұрын
AD dropped off once he got his ring. Dude is a bonafide beta male. He has no killer instinct in him whatsoever. When healthy and locked in AD is better than embiid and jokic. Such a shame
@lucascristovao3634
@lucascristovao3634 2 жыл бұрын
So in other words: it's AD's fault that Joker and Embiid weren't at his level in 2019/20? F*ck outta here with these takes. I'm just hoping AD comes back healthy next year so we can put him up against Jokic, Embiid and Giannis just to see who's what as a big man. Right now I would only take Giannis over him because he got it done and he is a monster on both sides but don't get it twisted, AD is right there with him (when healthy, of course, which is a rarity like they described in this take).
@soulslayer434
@soulslayer434 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucascristovao3634 If a healthy Embiid or Giannis played with Lebron in 2020 they also win the Chip. Joker prob too but they play a more similar role so harder to pair up. AD should be able to be more dominant with Lebron taking half the pressure away. AD is Great but there is no way he's top 7. Even when healthy.
@chernandez212331
@chernandez212331 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucascristovao3634 your comment is L after L after L lmfao
@NothingElseMattersJM
@NothingElseMattersJM 2 жыл бұрын
@@soulslayer434 Ad led the lakers in every statistical but assists in 2019-20. Leading scorer. Best defender. Led them in steals. Led them in rebounds. Les them in blocks. Led them in ft%. None of those guys you named can do that.
@noahjones3769
@noahjones3769 2 жыл бұрын
What does every person in JJ Reddick's Top 7 list all have in common? All these guys are first options on their respective teams. How can AD be a Top 7 player when he is a 2nd option with a 90 year LeBron as the 1st option averaging 30?! At best, I would put AD over Devin Booker. People right now I got ahead of AD until he proves me wrong (I hope) are : Giannis, LeBron, Curry, KD, Luka, Butler, Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Morant, and Derozan based on last season. Remind you, we are NOT talking about he people are at their PEAK we are talking about right now.
@kalihaze765thlemon9
@kalihaze765thlemon9 2 жыл бұрын
He’s not top 7! Stop it!!! He’s not even top 15!
@MrFranchize99
@MrFranchize99 2 жыл бұрын
Looking back at this take now makes it even more disrespectful
@DammitBobby
@DammitBobby 2 жыл бұрын
It will be fun to revisit this when the Lakers are sitting as the 12 seed for the majority of the season.
@savagep5178
@savagep5178 2 жыл бұрын
We won't be just watch & see
@trillpillcosby6320
@trillpillcosby6320 2 жыл бұрын
AD over luka is sick work lmao tf Stephen on
@10359877
@10359877 2 жыл бұрын
They won’t be if by some miracle AD is healthy… I wouldn’t bet on that though since AD is made of glass 🤣🤣🤣
@gwarfanatik
@gwarfanatik 2 жыл бұрын
@@savagep5178 Yeah you will.
@paitown9673
@paitown9673 2 жыл бұрын
Luka is a ferocious leader, AD is timid embarrassment.
@keandregreen5628
@keandregreen5628 2 жыл бұрын
Luca and Jokic have had more playoff and regular season success than ad ever did before he joined the lakers🤣
@doesntmatter6453
@doesntmatter6453 2 жыл бұрын
U talkin about Jokic 1st rnd exit and same Jokic that AD put the clamps on and Hit game winner over in the bubble? That Jokic?
@MegaZack61
@MegaZack61 2 жыл бұрын
@@doesntmatter6453 Yea the same Jokic who became two time MVP since then while Ad has done? What exactly has he done since then? Do you remember? Hmmm ? Idk what has he done I guess he wears nice clothes?
@georgeclooney6071
@georgeclooney6071 2 жыл бұрын
@@MegaZack61 I'd rather be a champion, Joker will never win a ring.
@basasure9065
@basasure9065 2 жыл бұрын
@@doesntmatter6453 Common he lead them last five years to at least second round,till this year when they lost against Warriors ,this year probably championship team,they put good fight even it ended 4-1 series ,who ever watched that series knows how brilliant Joker was ,2 games they lost after having 10 points lead in a third ... He and Murray came back from 3-1 deficit against Clippers and Yazz in same playoffs ,common man... Joker is 3x first all NBA team ,2x consecutive MVP,first player ever to have 2000,1000 ,500 season and ending with Highest PER ever measured 32.85 passing Wilt's 32.05... 7th on all time trip dubs.list And on top of that,modest and humble player ,who doesn't give a f..for Instagrams and twiiter and all that bs....Guy just playing basketball ,there is non GM in NBA who wouldn't want him in his team
@NothingElseMattersJM
@NothingElseMattersJM 2 жыл бұрын
@@basasure9065 AD led the 2019-20 lakers in every statistical category but assists and he outplayed Jokic in the conference finals and it wasn’t even close
@TheBoneCharmer93
@TheBoneCharmer93 2 жыл бұрын
AD is not even a top 10 even when healthy. He has achieved nothing outside the bubble and he had LeBron with him for that. He has been with LeBron for 3 years now but he hasn't been great for 2 of these years too.
@johnmeraz7348
@johnmeraz7348 2 жыл бұрын
Plus AD can’t even carry teams like luka or jokic did with a bunch of nobodies and made them better. AD got lucky he got ring because of Lebron and the super short season of the bubble.
@dboyondec
@dboyondec 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmeraz7348 AD is way better than jokic and he sent jokic home in the playoffs before. Listen say what yall want about his health but the man is a defensive anchor and can drop 40 on you. Jokic only got his team to a conference finals while AD averaged only 25 & 10 and couldve easily won finals MVP. Bruh please stop
@dboyondec
@dboyondec 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmeraz7348 so with that being said dame is better than jokic and luka because he carried the blazers in the playoffs every year and reached a conference finals
@dboyondec
@dboyondec 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmeraz7348 and yet if dame or luka was to have lebron on they squad you would be saying the exact same thing about them too
@jbtreshawn
@jbtreshawn 2 жыл бұрын
@@dboyondec 2 years ago yes, rn AD not better than Jokic.
@cristianlopez6801
@cristianlopez6801 2 жыл бұрын
“A healthy ad” let us basketball fans know which ad that is bcuz none of us have ever seen a healthy ad 😂😂
@pauInathanieI
@pauInathanieI 2 жыл бұрын
It's like watching an intellectual vs and idiot debate...
@Heidelbergensis
@Heidelbergensis 2 жыл бұрын
AD has not led a team out of the 2nd round in playoffs as the number 1 option. Him over Jokic and Doncic who've led their teams to WCF? The two-time reigning MVP and possibly the next face of the NBA? SAS should be reminded that the Joker killed Robin. And Robin over any Batman, nonsense. Need we say more?
@luminousrxk7288
@luminousrxk7288 2 жыл бұрын
AD was on the pelicans and he had to face the KD warriors. He was also injured many of those years so he didnt have as many chances to compete in the playoffs. the robin stuff makes no sense. We are talking who is a better player not mor valuable to their teams. There is a difference. Kobe was shaq's robin when they 3 peated but was easily a top 3 player. Yall forget just how good a healthy AD is
@AveChristusRex789
@AveChristusRex789 2 жыл бұрын
@@luminousrxk7288 well availability is still an important aspect of a players game, all this “IF he is healthy” talk has no real ground
@MegaZack61
@MegaZack61 2 жыл бұрын
@@luminousrxk7288 And AD has had infinitely more talent then both those teams. So what's your point? I mean Luka beat a 64 win team in the Suns..... What are they all of a sudden garbage now? Cuz Luka humiliated them?
@georgeclooney6071
@georgeclooney6071 2 жыл бұрын
Neither has Jokic, Murray was the number 1 option when the Nuggets made the Conference finals.
@rabbitsfoot8
@rabbitsfoot8 2 жыл бұрын
I am so tired of the "when healthy argument" Anthony Davis was trash when he was healthy before this latest injury...well not trash but you get my point
@natashakuzmanoska9656
@natashakuzmanoska9656 2 жыл бұрын
But that is the best argument for talk show because it can not be tested in real life, so you fantasy can go wild. If they were going into playoffs and all healthy it will be different response.
@drewwill22
@drewwill22 2 жыл бұрын
Two years ago I think this question would have been a no-brainer that AD is a top 5-6 player based on his skillset. Dude has a midrange game, can post up, hit the 3 and is an ELITE defender as his defensive prowess extends beyond being a great rim protector. But at some point in time, a guy has to be reliable and the best ability is availability. This dude can't stay healthy so as of this moment I can't say he's top 7.
@strikercurry339
@strikercurry339 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i agree, he also just declined as a player veer since he won a championship
@manfestiondaily
@manfestiondaily 2 жыл бұрын
2 years ago ad was top 5
@basasure9065
@basasure9065 2 жыл бұрын
Bunch of clowns Jokic is top 5 player in NBA at worst ,and he proved that last several seasons 2x MVP 3x first NBA First player in NBA history to reach 2000 1000 500 in one season ! First 🥇 Finished this season with a highest PER ever recorded 32.85 passing Wilt mthcg Chamberlain (32.05) First center ever who averaged 27,14 ,8 Top 7 at the most triple double list Highest in trip and dub dubs. in this season counting all players Player who missed 20 games in 4 seasons.. And you comparing this guy with broken spine AD ? Common guys 😭😭😭😂😂
@coolmani
@coolmani 2 жыл бұрын
6:33 - "So you're going to put a Robin in the top 7...the only Robin in the top 7 and then there's a bunch of Batmans" DROP THE MIC JJ, DROP THE MIC!!!!!!!!!!!
@cholmanjr8345
@cholmanjr8345 2 жыл бұрын
He killed with that 1
@IAmSeanPain
@IAmSeanPain 2 жыл бұрын
not really who isnt a robin compared to lebron???
@oliverbus
@oliverbus 2 жыл бұрын
Luka >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AD
@rlawlstnpa
@rlawlstnpa 2 жыл бұрын
How can everyone know how good healthy AD is when he's always been injured? What has AD done so far? I don't even understand why he's even on the 75th anniversary team
@simplyballing1592
@simplyballing1592 2 жыл бұрын
I love these discussions
@NotebookLives
@NotebookLives 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that LeBron is 37 and is still a Top 5 (but, realistically, Top 3; and I can give you all of the statistics and film to validate it), is absolutely insane. If longevity doesn’t matter, I guess every great player should play only 8 seasons and then quit. Is that what y’all would prefer?
@senseiseagal8343
@senseiseagal8343 2 жыл бұрын
“When healthy” is a hypothetical when it comes to AD. That man is never healthy lmao. There’s a reason Barkley calls him “Street Clothes Davis”
@Goxilla
@Goxilla 2 жыл бұрын
Here we go again... EPSN is getting ready for another year of "AD is the second best player in the league"-narrative. Just stop it already. Even a healthy AD doesn´t come close to a pre-prime Luka. Pathetic!
@---kr3zg
@---kr3zg 2 жыл бұрын
5:15 we all probably made the same face as JJ when SAS said that
@djdegala6219
@djdegala6219 2 жыл бұрын
My Top 10 Players in the league right now: (in no particular order) Curry Giannis KD Jokic Embiid LeBron Luka Harden Tatum Butler AD is maybe a Top 11-15 player when healthy
@briankaren604
@briankaren604 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with your list except Harden. Harden had a great career but right now is no longer a top 10 player. Hes aged alot this season.
@brooksorlando4881
@brooksorlando4881 2 жыл бұрын
@@briankaren604 Yeah Im not sure Tatum is top 10 yet either. Butler is on the fringe. Healthy Kawhi is top 10 and I'd take Dame over AD. Ja, CP, Booker, and Kyrie are in the mix too. Healthy AD is borderline top 10 at best
@kingsofthetribejudah3327
@kingsofthetribejudah3327 2 жыл бұрын
JJ is tripping and a lot of y’all too, don’t forget what a 100 percent healthy AD looks like this dude is gifted!
@commandershepard485
@commandershepard485 2 жыл бұрын
Did he just take AD over a 2-time MVP and a 3rd year player who took a team without any superstars to the WCF ?
@arturcirilo7601
@arturcirilo7601 2 жыл бұрын
Also Joker won his second mvp without the other best players on his team.
@MrThatbme43
@MrThatbme43 2 жыл бұрын
SAS is also the one that said he would take NYK Melo over SA Kawhai. Y’all really can’t take him seriously 😂
@amaankhan3085
@amaankhan3085 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with JJ on this, AD is gonna b injured all his life Lol forget him healthy he can’t stay healthy
@marcovalera4321
@marcovalera4321 2 жыл бұрын
Jokic is back-back MVP and you still have a face to say AD is better? Can't believe no respect on Jokic
@jesse-ld1fz
@jesse-ld1fz 2 жыл бұрын
Davis is soft, the Lakers need to trade him ASAP to be a contender.
@EmiliosFather
@EmiliosFather 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone find her to be irritating?
@turdferguson8175
@turdferguson8175 2 жыл бұрын
Racially motivated
@turdferguson8175
@turdferguson8175 2 жыл бұрын
@Globoy honestly lol I was joking but how can it not be 😂😂
@gonzalorojo6815
@gonzalorojo6815 2 жыл бұрын
Take AD who doesn't play and is a 30% 3P shooter over Luka (took his bad team to the conf finals) and Jokic (2 time MVP), ok man
@bbchbbd
@bbchbbd 2 жыл бұрын
👀 Something about Luka and Jokic makes makes them different, can't qwhite put my finger on it. Not really surprising if you know Stephen A.
@YoMrRice
@YoMrRice 2 жыл бұрын
Yes they are unathletic and play no defense. If you're playing the race card, ok SJW..
@og-onecanobi9134
@og-onecanobi9134 2 жыл бұрын
"So, you are taking a Robin over a bunch of Batmans in your top 7? OK"😂 JJ is killing it!
@NothingElseMattersJM
@NothingElseMattersJM 2 жыл бұрын
Robin led the lakers in every statistical category but assists…. 👀👀👀
@sephron17
@sephron17 2 жыл бұрын
im a Laker fan, but I think it's time to put this argument to bed because AD ain't as good as we think he is. It's unfortunate
@Popthat123456789
@Popthat123456789 2 жыл бұрын
Sad admission but it’s true. He’s a lazy injury prone bench warmer.
@ahnafhabibchowdhury2003
@ahnafhabibchowdhury2003 2 жыл бұрын
This nonsense of when healthy is so stupid because the best ability is durability. There is a reason Lebron,Steph,Giannis,Luka,Kd,Jokic etc. are performing at a higher level because they are available every single game. So when talking about the best players in the game durability also needs to be taken into account.
@CamaraYungaStarJack
@CamaraYungaStarJack 2 жыл бұрын
AD is a top 7 talent. But he ain't got that dawg in him
@mikenewman9959
@mikenewman9959 2 жыл бұрын
SAS racism is real
@Jascolbre
@Jascolbre 2 жыл бұрын
This perfectly encapsulates why ESPN is falling so far down. It's no longer about doing honest work and giving real basketball knowledge it's about creating buzz and being so obnoxious in takes that it gets us to engage and react to it.
@Short_mambaa
@Short_mambaa 2 жыл бұрын
Nah I think that’s died down on first take since Skip and Max left
@NothingElseMattersJM
@NothingElseMattersJM 2 жыл бұрын
I mean AD led the 2019-20 Lakers in every statistical but assists but I guess we pretend like that didn’t happen
@gringoboy701
@gringoboy701 2 жыл бұрын
lmao Lakers would easily hand over a healthy AD for either of those guys
@basasure9065
@basasure9065 2 жыл бұрын
That's I thinking 😂
@kevlar1386
@kevlar1386 2 жыл бұрын
Robin in the top 7 😂😂
@DetroitTyler
@DetroitTyler 2 жыл бұрын
He was, when healthy he's not even a top 3 big , and there are 100% 4 or more guards and Small forwards better than AD. I think if healthy and at his best now he'd be a 3rd team all nba player.
@brianluttrell
@brianluttrell 2 жыл бұрын
After that playoff run and being the number 1 seed, people still can't agree that Jimmy is a top 5 player.
@twist9idkkidz
@twist9idkkidz 2 жыл бұрын
Give me Paul George over AD most definitely.
@Y2N27
@Y2N27 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy for saying this
@RaqeemSWay
@RaqeemSWay 2 жыл бұрын
They Did The Same Thing To The Warriors Forget about em when They Unhealthy.. AD Not Top 7... smh
@captnclutch1748
@captnclutch1748 2 жыл бұрын
How many times did JJ say Kawhi Leonard 😂😂🤦🏿‍♂️
@johnnyv.5142
@johnnyv.5142 2 жыл бұрын
SAS has finally jumped the shark! Davis over Doncic? The man has lost his common sense! I don't care if Davis is 100% healthy, Luka is the kind of superstar you want to build a team around.....not 'street clothes' Anthony Davis! Same goes for Jokic!
@tconblogspot
@tconblogspot 2 жыл бұрын
Staying healthy is a skill. AD ain’t cutting it
@josu2z22
@josu2z22 2 жыл бұрын
Wilding
@realone296
@realone296 2 жыл бұрын
Nikola Jokic is regularly putting up 30ppg on 65% True Shooting!!! Who does that? Lebron, MJ, 2016 Curry, 2022 finals Curry, prime KD...who else??? Yall lucky Joker is too unselfish, doesnt shoot the ball against the bad teams...dude is easily THE BEST player in the NBA! I wish JUST ONE season Joker choose to be aggresive all the time and destroys the league... Never seen a big with better touch(maybe Kareem).
@vvkth2500
@vvkth2500 2 жыл бұрын
Max: I want Iguodala LeBron: I want Russ Stephen A: I would take a healthy Anthony Davis over Luka AND Jokic!
@adeoke9239
@adeoke9239 2 жыл бұрын
Pippin was a robin and he was deffo top 7 for a long time during the 90s
@hibida651
@hibida651 2 жыл бұрын
jordan malone barkley olajuwon shaq ewing robinson.. thats 7 dude atop of my head... no google. NO! pippen is a robin. he a top 15 at best...
@sheluuhvsjojo
@sheluuhvsjojo 2 жыл бұрын
Wait so in terms of "All-Time" you're telling me you guys wouldn't pick AD over Tatum?
@HahaHaha-km4sm
@HahaHaha-km4sm 2 жыл бұрын
Give me Tatum.. come back to me when he leads a team
@sheluuhvsjojo
@sheluuhvsjojo 2 жыл бұрын
@@HahaHaha-km4sm I guess you're picking the person who thinks hes Kobe. Yet he holds the record of all-time MOST Turnovers in a single postseason and AD has a championship. Great decision.
@watchmyshoes22
@watchmyshoes22 2 жыл бұрын
@@sheluuhvsjojo they're talking about "right now" not "all time" stupid.
@ericwilliams626
@ericwilliams626 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen A gets a phone call, "Yeah Stephen can you do a story on Davis explaining how great of a player he is?" "Can I? I'll make him seem like Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant all wrapped into one."
@shibashake9641
@shibashake9641 2 жыл бұрын
Replace JJ with Stephen A please. SA lost grasp of reality at this point, too much Cola in the morning.
@BenjiClips614
@BenjiClips614 2 жыл бұрын
2 way injury clone
@pariketthakkar2687
@pariketthakkar2687 2 жыл бұрын
The disrespect to a two time mvp is unreal
@rano2613
@rano2613 Жыл бұрын
When healty? Then add DRose over Half Human Half Season
@elijahguerrero4913
@elijahguerrero4913 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen A basically said he doesn’t want to compete for title, Did we not see how sorry Ad and La looked when Lebron missed time early in the season
@crisomii
@crisomii 2 жыл бұрын
AD over Luka and Jokic is NUTS
@tonytang5485
@tonytang5485 2 жыл бұрын
Anthony Davis can't create his own shot period... So to claim he is better than the likes of Luka Doncic and Jokic is ludicrous when you compare the stats Anthony Davis has put up over the last few seasons with all the top players you comparing with.
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
His playoff stats match up will all of them outside of kawhi, lebron, kevin durant and stephen curry
@ShinefortheCam
@ShinefortheCam 2 жыл бұрын
Ad creates his own shot plenty. Stop
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
Jokic may be a better passer but AD is a better isolation scorer
@bartier861
@bartier861 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShinefortheCam post up*
@jonathangeiger6115
@jonathangeiger6115 2 жыл бұрын
Jokic runs point to center and can shoot anywhere, make any pass, hit the board and play D. He's back to back MVP for a reason. Arguably the top player right now even with his position going out of style. Forget AD. This guy DOES IT
@infiniteuniverse9528
@infiniteuniverse9528 2 жыл бұрын
It may be time for Stephen A to realize that injuries have taken there toll of Anthony's body over the years, and that he's no longer that same young super-talented guy with fresh legs anymore. Once your legs start to go, it affects every part of your game especially your jump shot.
@Flivex-ld4bw
@Flivex-ld4bw 2 жыл бұрын
if i’m an NBA GM i’m trading AD for Luka straight up and calling that a steal
@lekzintshering7666
@lekzintshering7666 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm GM for the Lakers or the Mavs ?
@Klocks420
@Klocks420 2 жыл бұрын
It would take AD and like 7 first round picks for me to even consider a trade...and even then I wouldn't do it if I was Dallas. Luka is probably the most untradable asset in the entire league rn
@IP-uw2mv
@IP-uw2mv 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen A fell off
@PartyFighter123
@PartyFighter123 2 жыл бұрын
I dont take Stephen A Smith seriously after he said that Jordan had more obstacles trough career than Bron..
@blackking2153
@blackking2153 2 жыл бұрын
Steven A's dumbest take ever!
@Tsuny999
@Tsuny999 2 жыл бұрын
LMAOOO The ending got me dying
@Raghuveer2798
@Raghuveer2798 2 жыл бұрын
Stephen A be hating on anybody that's not American 😂. First of all, AD is never healthy and 95% of the time when he plays , he's passive af.
@mxhughes
@mxhughes 2 жыл бұрын
I like how media tries to act like AD career started in LA when he was in New Orleans for 7 seasons with nothing to show except one season.He not a real lead guy numberswise he looks the part but if you understand intangibles he definitely not that dude and with these breakouts from luka,ja,tatum then kawhi,pg13 n dame coming back AD will be lucky if he's a top 20 player before all star break lol
@anthonylarocco6763
@anthonylarocco6763 2 жыл бұрын
Top four are international players. Nikola Jokić, Luka Dončić, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Joel Embiid. Top four players in the world right now. Thank God the NBA is 25% international now because so many more millions and millions of people watch it.
@AmandeepSingh-ty2nv
@AmandeepSingh-ty2nv 2 жыл бұрын
how do you take davis over luka? Man single handedly brought a team to the conference finals !
@mr_man06
@mr_man06 2 жыл бұрын
We should ask the lakers front office this question 😂😂😂
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