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[@macboogieland2897]

"what will be hear? i literally don't know" says the guy working for the company, talking about one of the most requested features/most common issues regarding the company's main software

[@OrdinaryOneOfficial]

They're different ways of adjusting the loudness of each channel based on the trigonometry ratios you want. It's just a quick over-view... chill. :)

[@saschab.9968]

Just a different view on that: I very much appreciate the honesty here, which is an indicator for a big strength in front of almost 200k people! If he declares it in case something is unknown, this gives me the confidence that whatever he says apart from it is to the best knowledge. Better than someone declaring he knows everything and tells you nonsense.

[@cedricmi]

IMO, there should be an option to get the same behavior as ProTools directly in the console, without having to add and open a plugin on each and every stereo track.

[@AlonsoCarballomusictech]

agreed!

[@eldude653]

AGREED!!

[@NashvilleDave]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It would be pretty nice to be able to just right click the panner on the channel and select the type of panning you want to do.

[@101Licious]

@@NashvilleDave Yes

[@EyesOfTruthmusic]

I’m sure they will add it in.

[@DylanFischerTX]

I think the panning is one of the biggest weaknesses in S1. I really want the pan slider on stereo tracks to act like the panning on stereo tracks in Pro Tools, or even Logic Pro X where one can choose between it being a balance knob, a stereo pan, stereo pan but swap L&R, or a binaural pan. This is one of the biggest things keeping me from fully making the switch to S1. I've made a request on the message board, I've seen several that all get up voted, and I've personally mentioned this to employees at S1 but still nothing. I shouldn't need to put a plugin on a stereo channel to pan it. You might be able to do panning in a lot of different ways but not the way that I would like to see it done and definitely can only be done in a way that is counter intuitive to me.

[@AlonsoCarballomusictech]

my thoughts exactly

[@heanz]

I disagree

[@DylanFischerTX]

@@heanz cool. I'm glad it works for you. For me it isn't intuitive & does not integrate well with my workflow

[@pacoherrejon]

Totally agree.

[@NoQualmsTheArtist]

@@heanz you disagree with having the option?

[@robertl.6919]

Strange decision from Studio One designers. It would be much easier and logic to have a real L-R pan button and fader per side on a stereo tracks. That way you can easily make any move you want just like on a real console without getting... confused...which is not suppose to be in a well designed interface.

[@eliaszerano3510]

besides that there is 3dpan and binaural pan...

[@chaddonal4331]

Samplitude has all the options in the mixer in the same location. No extra plugin needed. I much prefer that approach. Though I'm glad S1 has these features.

[@navneet4489]

Joe you Really made my day...i always came across dual pan but never took it seriously...A strings library usually i use, have violins, which sounds little left & violas little right centered, and usually when i record multiple melodies i pan violins little more to left😂 and violas to right, its been for years, Luckily today i was programming string sections and i did the same older way...but after watching your video i panned All the tracks in center and inserted dual pan in all the tracks now applied your trick and what a magic happened......now my violins goes left and right and violas too... without loosing any information i got more fuller and wider sounding strings....thanks a lot...you always rock.....🙌🤩

[@chaddonal4331]

Thanks for this insight! For ALL orchestral instruments, or just strings?

[@navneet4489]

@@chaddonal4331 now with this tool you have freedom to place anything anywhere in stereo field without loosing it's information...

[@NoQualmsTheArtist]

PreSonus please make dual pan the default channel pan like ProTools. It is literally the only thing I miss about changing DAWs.

[@tothrec]

Or a button that lets the user choose (like pre/post fader)

[@101Licious]

I just love Studio One ! 😊

[@k2mproductionmixing910]

EL MEJOR JOE GILDER IN THE VIDEOS STUDIO ONE !!!!!

[@AKA47]

This should be mandatory viewing

[@kempaudio]

Here is a comment about the pan law: the value stands for the attenuation of the pan pot when it's in the middle. This is necessary, because the signal goes to both speakers which would normally cause a increasing gain of +3dB, so the signal would not only move but getting louder, too. To avoid this, the gain is reduced when you turn the pan to the middle, until it reaches the value being set for the pan law. Most consoles use -3dB but I've been working with mixing desks which use -4,5dB which sounds more naturally, in my opinion.

[@darkraven178]

i knew it had to do something lol thanks

[@blazing6string]

It wasn’t actually annoying it was a perfect way to demo this concept kudos

[@saschab.9968]

Great video Joe, always helpful to understand what the stock plugins can do 😎👍 The pan law sets how the volumes of left and right channel will be adapted while changing the panning. Imagine you have a stereo file with the exact same signals L and R and your masterbus is mono. If the panning is centered, then you'll have double (3db more) volume on the master bus than panning hard L/R. Pan law will ensure your overall volume will stay the same then (or not, depending on your settings and purpose) 😁

[@somewhere6559]

OK. Which option preserves the overall volume? I have noticed that Binaural pan increases the volume when you expand the width. I suppose it has something to do with this.

[@saschab.9968]

@@somewhere6559 In the PreSonus Blog, there is a great article from July 5th, 2019 which may be helpful, just Google “pan law studio one“.

[@KRMoore731]

Great video as usual, in short the pan law that you set is to allow the level to be adjusted when panned hard left or right to compensate for a loss in volume, you get a consistent level going from center to left to right. :-) hope this helps 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@EzPeasZ]

that recording "is just stunningly beautiful" -- so nice of you to say the word from which the sound is coming from! its the small things that always get me.. lol

[@blubbman76]

Quick note: The Dual Pan with the channels linked actually doesn't work like a balance control similar to the channel pan or binaural. Instead, panning a source fully right or left with 100% width leaves the opposite side square in the middle, not silent. This behaviour, combined with the width control, makes the Dual Pan a way more intuitive way to pan stereo sources in S1, in my opinion.

[@Kentavious444]

So glad I watched this. I had never considered that I may be only getting one side of a stereo track when panning. I now can remember when the exact same scenario you mentioned about panning a piano has happened to me but at the time I didn't figure it out. Always appreciate your videos Joe. You have a way of explaining things that even a dummy like me can understand.🙂

[@AlonsoCarballomusictech]

I love Studio One but why not have a true stereo panner on every channel instead of having to rely on using plugins? Seems to go against the grain of what Studio One stands for.

[@raphlasne]

Continue the great work. Thank You, Joe.

[@ToHerbiarz]

Wow. That was exciting. I didn't realized that. Blew my mind!

[@ZiggyDude777]

This is (as Spock would say) "Fascinating". When this started I was wondering why we would even need a video on this. Hey - L is L and R is R, duh.... But as we moved into the second part and I saw how we can create "Stereo Air" - well then I was all focused. I never even dreamed this was where I was looking for to get certain feelings in the mix. Joe - thank you - anything that creates that "Stereo Air" is good subject matter for videos.

[@darkraven178]

correct

[@pacoherrejon]

Panning is one of the biggest weaknesses in Studio One. If Dual Pan is inserted, it is later impossible to create a send that has separate panning. In order to do this we have to duplicate the track, lower the fader and create a pre-fader send. This is a terrible workflow for 2022 and time consuming.

[@DanielGarrickMusic]

Totally agree!

[@walterarlenhenry]

This is wonderfully helpful, thanks

[@BizzieBangers]

I ain’t gonna lie that tip about alt and move track recording is a cheat code I didn’t know thanks

[@chaddonal4331]

Too bad the alt is required, rather than simply clicking on the next track and having the record arm change with you by default.

[@MichaelMatics]

5:40 You could use that if you want to do the panning before another plugin, for example if the source material is unbalanced and you want to balance it before doing other processing.

[@JoeMonaghanMusic]

thanks Joe!

[@SteveWatsonMusic]

Thank you. Awesome. As usual!

[@esteb7778]

Love this type of videos

[@ogurstudios123]

Great explaining, how panning works wit s1. I see only one mistake. When you link channels in dual pan, it doesn't work the same as the binaural pan. It's panning the two linked channels, not doing a balance between left and right channel (Which makes the panning simpler. you just set the width of the stereo track and move the whole signal left and right)

[@jamesconraadtucker]

That was informative Joe. TY

[@b1j]

I recorded the main acoustic guitar part in stereo, so it’s wide: spread out over the mix. Then I recorded an acoustic lead/fill track and panned it about 40% right so I could hear them coming from different places in the stereo image. The trouble was that the stereo guitar still dominates the space. Dual pan looks like it can help. I’m going to try to lower the width of the main guitar a bit and place it about 25% to the left. We’ll see how that mixes out. Great tool. I’m hooked on spaced pair close mic’ing for acoustic, so I’ll probably use dual pan regularly.

[@AndrewMorgan]

Hey this was a helpful and clever little video. Thanks, Joe.

[@MrMoogman1]

Thanks Joe - great tutorial

[@JimmyFlame]

Very interesting! Thanks for showing this to us.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

so useful! Trying to get guitar width in my metal mixes is so frustrating sometimes and plopping plugins over and over doesn't get the results I want. Thanks, Joe!

[@hbonthetrack]

Man ! Thanks 🙏🏾 for saving the day. I’m working on a mix and this was messing with me

[@al35mm]

Just a heads up, but most "channel tools" - 3rd party and those included in DAWs, make it easy to pan stereo signals in combination like this and is the tool I go to for panning stereo signals. Maybe a little button on stereo channels to change the panning mode would be a great feature to add to S1. Panning law - there are several panning laws and it's worth playing around to learn them so that you know what may be best in certain situations. There is plenty of information on the web about it.

[@raymondspagnuolo8222]

Hi Joe! Very helpful!

[@WhySoLoud]

Sure would be nice if Studio One would supply an Oscillation scope, especially to check for phasing. I end up having to export stems and playing them through Adobe Premiere Pro and using its Scope. A simple pop-up scope would show out of phase-ing, stereo (squiggles) and a host of other references. Ah, one can dream, right?

[@ehsanpayandan7689]

Very good

[@michaeltablet8577]

Thanks again Joe! Very helpful!

[@MrHectorjalo]

AMAZING

[@gregtapevideo1464]

I have been wondering about those two plugins. Thanks!

[@KenGlasser]

Thanks Joe. This is very helpful. I had just recorded two acoustic rhythm guitar parts so I could play one left and one right (pretty sure you have a video on this). And I decided to get fancy and record each with 2 mics on a stereo bar. I had assumed (wrong this video shows me) that the entire stereo mix was panned left or right. You've shown me two ways to pan the guitars - I'll try them out and see which I like better.

[@micaelakolette]

This is so insightful! Thank you! What do I do if I want to change the panning on a track in the middle of a song?

[@dmsorensen]

Thank you, Joe! I had no idea this was how it worked! I've been panning stereo tracks, thinking that it just used some built in algorithm to pan the stereo image. Face palm moment. The more you know... :)

[@imazimbo2]

I am more familiar with the ProTools stereo pan knobs you mentioned but in Studio One, when I tried exporting the mixdown of a snip and using the Dual Pan, the balance seemed slightly different than the 4 'channels' I panned within one instance of Xpand!2. Can you help? Thanks

[@dtfluker1617]

SO.... how do you make a bass vst mono on the channel 🤔 .... okay I see it!! THANKS!!

[@roland-music7001]

Cool, in the next video we see panning 5.1 Surround Sound in S1 😉

[@pasquir]

Interesante...me has sacado de dudas. Gracias 👍

[@sebastiangutierrez8438]

very cool

[@UniqueTouch]

I love all your tuts Gilder you bring life to the New-b my brother!!! My question here is … i did as you directed above but … I took say my name ( Unique Touch ) as one word and split it…2nd I put Touch after I split it on Track two… I panned Unique to the left on track One and panned Touch to the right and Unique stayed in the middle/center and Touch I couldn’t hear at all when panned hard to the right Sir… what did I do wrong?

[@UniqueTouch]

So I got no panning at all and I couldn’t hear touch hmm help me Gilder plz help me!!!???

[@thusharafernando2624]

Very useful. Thanks...

[@anton.pyshnograev]

Left Right Left Right Left Right

[@marianlech3378]

Gosh!!! I was about to migrate from PT to S1 (mostly thanks to your videos), but why would I have to open a plugin just to pan my stereo piano???? This is ridiculous - S1 has no stereo panning in the console - this is left-right BALANCE! Not panning at all. Shit, lost my faith, again. Joe, I love your content, you're such a great guy, please help us with this. Also the stereo polarity buttons are missing a link button, so you could only click one button and not get confused always having to hear the out-of-phase overheads for a split second, while switching. Much love, Sir!

[@AMPLEGRACE134]

Thanks bro

[@nothing7ish]

It's so helpful. Thx!

[@deuelmusic]

Say I've done a mixdown of 3 tracks used on my piano. one L 50, one center mic, and one R 50. Then I tuned that mixdown in melodyne. Now im mixing and id like to move the whole thing right a little, without losing any of the balance. It seems i cant move the R mic more right, because when the dual pan plugin comes up its already all the way right...What i took from this video is, i cant accomplish that with dual pan, i'd have to go back and redo all my work. Is this true?

[@DanielGarrickMusic]

I love S1 but I just can't get my head around the fact that you need to load up a separate plugin to actually pan things. That slider on the console is merely a volume control for the left and right channel. At least make it an optional feature on under "channel components" like the input controls. That would be great!

[@DavidRaySongs]

Would instrument tracks follow the same panning logic, or are they different because they're virtual?

[@tothrec]

Same. It does not matter how the sound is created. Stereo is stereo. Mono is mono.

[@Hitakami_Music]

That's interesting!

[@soundwg1831]

땡큐 조

[@cutekittiekittie]

what should I do if panning doesnt work at all? it just changes volume, especially if a channel is being routed to a bus first and then to main - you can forget about panning

[@UniqueTouch]

Can I automate the left right on say my Name Unique Touch - can I automate the pan such that I can Pan Unique to the Left and Touch to the Right so my name pans Left & Right instantly Mr Gilder??? I’m having the worst time getting this panning single words in the song that repeat to instantly pan Left-Right and hear panned thru the speakers Sir??? Plz help Gilder plz!

[@blazing6string]

Can you make a video to demo how does the panning w effect sends work? Like I pan a vocal left but it has an effect send into a stereo effect what happens?

[@fogvarious2478]

I just use 3 channels ..left right and middle.. and then bounce them to a stereo. Remember not to go too wide stereo wise

[@stupendousmusic4190]

Truth be told: You've got too much content coming out and it's impossible to keep up ‼️ There's no chance to test and digest what you gave us. Three a week is fine. 🤯

[@alejandrojuarez2975]

Si, does that means if I record a guitar with 2 mics. They don’t have to be even? Ex: L50-R50 They will not cause unbalanced? I can do L80-L30? Right?

[@PelicanMultimedia]

As usual, great Video Joe! You answered a question about S1 that I have asked myself many times but never bothered to look up (how S1 pans a stereo track). The historical problem with pan controls on all hardware mixers and DAWs is that they are just L/R loudness controls. They completely ignore the temporal/phase component, which is that the same sound arrives at your two ears at two different times. Our brains are programmed to use both of these effects to localize from where a sound is coming. But I have never seen a plugin, let alone a native DAW pan control, that combines the two components in one knob. There are lots of plugins out there that take the temporal effect to extremes, like Waves S1 or the Hass Effect plugin. Unfortunately these very often degrade mono compatibility, which makes them risky to use. Any thoughts?

[@stupidusername38]

Studio One's 'pan' isn't a true pan knob, it's a balance dial. You'll notice with a stereo track that if you pan left or right that the volume balance between left and right decreases depending on where you pan.

[@chaddonal4331]

Can you explain further? I think you are suggesting that a "true pan knob" would only affect placement and not volume relationships. But how would we HEAR location if not for the volume change? If the track is panned 60% to the right but the L and R volumes are the same, how can our eyes distinguish the panned location? Maybe I'm missing what you're intending.

[@fortheoneswhocare]

Hi Joe, is there a way to have post panning metering in S1 ? I've looked everywhere and can't find an option to change it from the default pre pan metering.

[@nw-nq6qf]

5:41 Is there a similar plugin in FL Studio?

[@herranton]

Great video. Just too bad i watched on my mono phone speaker, haha.

[@thales3923]

Muito bom. Um pedido a ( PreSonus). A próxima atualização poderia ter o recurso na própria track, como no Logic e Pro Tools, o Studio One ganharia muito com esse recurso e seria ainda mais revolucionário.

[@f5veev5f]

useful thanx

[@millhouseproductionsllc1234]

Very useful Joe...thanks! Question though...is Presonus working on an auto-pan feature for S1? I recently mixed a track and I used the music box sound to represent falling stars, but I had to manually use the panner to go from right to left.

[@hakimflowers8251]

Use the X-Trem plugin, and change the Mode from Trem to Pan. It uses a bpm-syncable LFO with different waveforms and even a pattern sequencer to customize the behavior. EDIT: Forgot to mention that X-Trem is a stock plugin.

[@MiSFiTEDM]

my ears feel abused after watching this video

[@manurios681]

when i hard pan guitars L and R sounds awesome in stereo but in mono loose volumen uu

[@kermasingh9002]

Dam to to that was very interesting

[@mattwhite399]

Awesome video! I have been looking for an easier way to swap L and R on stereo tracks. I’m a firm believer that drums should be mixed from the drummer’s perspective. :)

[@timsirege]

may be u could benefit from searching about human ears (L+R) and frequency response, especially about the sensitivity of it from high freq and fatique resistance

[@mattwhite399]

@@timsirege genuinely asking - what does this have to do with panning?

[@timsirege]

@@mattwhite399 in drummer perspective hi-hat in Left pan isn't it?

[@mattwhite399]

@@timsirege yes, that’s correct. High hats are so loud and overpowering that I almost never use the hat mic. Plenty of hat coming from the overheads.

[@chaddonal4331]

I shall not have you mix drums for me! 😁

[@jackc8120]

When i see "video that is 11 minute long about stereo panning" in studio one. I am really really scared and really question the DAW. I know in ableton this video would've been 5 seconds.

[@presonus]

😂 We have a lot of options. 😊 - Joe Gilder

[@Big_Stewdio]

Come on, I totally understand how panning works in S1 so why bother even watching this video? (watches video) Oh, I didn't know that :/

[@Sheriffvlogs]

it's easier to do this in Dolby Atmos

[@brunoburtoni8479]

Confusing video , the problem is you need to show it in real instances of all the panning options on a full track to know what they are doing. Too much info to gasp in there also .

[@nathanp6916]

Thanks for the tutorial. But you have to be the laziest instructor ever. Go learn what the program does don't be proud of your ignorance

[@blazing6string]

Can you make a video to demo how does the panning w effect sends work? Like I pan a vocal left but it has an effect send into a stereo effect what happens?