Steve Gregg Debates Prophecy with Dennis McCourt on Kingdom Talk 1.23.2024

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@andrewyannucci6480 11 ай бұрын

I Haven’t found a better resource outside the Bible on the things of God than Steve Gregg. Thanks for these videos to whoever is putting them out lol 🙏 🙏🙏

@lepton31415 11 ай бұрын

yeah he's the best Bible teacher I've ever come across

@justinchamberlain3443 10 ай бұрын

In my opinion Gregg and David pawson are the greatest for just simply teaching text in context & making them easily understandable. The normal christian birth by pawson is a Christian classical masterpiece of exposition w/ clear doctrinal application. I would include Derek prince David Wilkerson Leonard ravenhill and Martyn Lloyd Jones in that conversation as well

@JDWilliamsPD 9 ай бұрын

Bruce Gore

@andrewyannucci6480 9 ай бұрын

@@JDWilliamsPD I’ve listened to him some too pretty good

@DerekMcCoyMusic 9 ай бұрын

Same!

@bsusie1 11 ай бұрын

Had to laugh when Steve said, I understand you, because I used to be you. Steve came out on top of this debate. His wisdom and knowledge of scripture usually puts him far in front of those willing to debate him.

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, its pretty funny. When I try to talk to people about it, they can't seem to understand that I know all of their beliefs as I used to hold them. Oh, I understand them, but I know where those beliefs are wrong too lol.

@titusbec2462 11 ай бұрын

Let me summarize the debate for you. Subject is brought up, host spends 5 minutes setting it up and what he believes about it, Steve responds quoting or mentioning passages that support his position, the host states that he disagrees, a tangential point is brought up by the host, Steve responds, the host interrupts with "we can talk about that but let's get back to" ... brings the discussion back to 15 min before. Steve has the patience of a saint.

@lancegraham2244 8 ай бұрын

You nailed it brother!

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

I agree. The constant interrupting of Steve by Dennis is so annoying. Dennis won't ever let Steve finish his point

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

Listen to Steve Gregg i believe it's called the narrow path he has really good Bible lectures and you will learn a lot he has taught me really plan Bible teachings ✝️🙏🤗

@maskofsorrow 3 ай бұрын

He is one of the best teachers in the world.

@yvonnedoulos8873 11 ай бұрын

So appreciative of this broadcast. Two Christians discussing Scripture and their different perspective with respect. What a breath of fresh air!!!

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

Audience relevance, historical context, and time indicators are the 3 important things everyone must keep in their mind when studying eschatology.

@ryankittle3431 11 ай бұрын

He says he is not a dispensationalist, but he sounds very much like a dispensationalist.

@theodorjoensen 10 ай бұрын

There is a lot of dispensationalist residue mixed with preterism, futurism and other jesuit inventions, all leading to not letting the Bible interpret the Bible. Too much babylonian wine mixed in.

@ronniewright6639 11 ай бұрын

This was a marvelous discussion; very healthy for the Church.

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

Agreed. ~ Jason

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

I find from reading the Bible that Steve Greggs view is correct when I become a Christian in 2005 I asked GOD to show me the truth about the rapture that so many pastors taught & the Holy Spirit led me in a whole different direction God led me to a man called Hank Hanagraffe and then I understood so much more about the end times! Praise God seek & ye shall find so pray for the truth ✝️🙏

@J.F.331 2 ай бұрын

Hank is fantastic. Please seek out other like Gary DeMar, Kenneth Gentry, David Chilton, John Bray, Milton Terry as well. All of these men have great insights that agree with Hank.

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

The hardest part trying to speak to futurists is that their mind races and jumps to all these non essential passages based on their preconceived ideas of eschatology. You can actually weed a lot of that out by focusing on one or two passages that clearly point to why preterism has to be true. Once you get to that point, then you have to go and examine all those passages you thought were futurist passages and see why you were wrong.

@J.F.331 2 ай бұрын

Exactly! This is why I tend to walk people through Matthew 24 first demonstrating its 1st century fulfillment and then we can look at the more unclear passages in light of historical fulfillment.

@keithmadison8754 Ай бұрын

The host interrupting was annoying. Steve IMO won the debate hands down. He's the best bible teacher I've found

@shellymcgrew4412 11 ай бұрын

I would prefer not so much interruption. Thank you for the discussion, though.❤

@jacquiclarke7300 11 ай бұрын

Totally agree

@aroyalaustralian 11 ай бұрын

The constant interruptions made this unlistenable for me. Just two buddies discussing their favourite subject at full speed.

@Leona_Underwood 11 ай бұрын

I agree. The need to constantly interrupt means nothing more than hearing to defend your belief. The “I’m right and you’re wrong, so I must Lord it over you”. I love that Steve maintained hearing to give his understanding instead of his opinion. I used to be futurist, until the eyes of my understanding was opened. Over all it, this segment confirmed what has been revealed to me.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

Dennis constantly interrupts Steve. He won't let Steve finish a point. Dennis seems threatened by steve

@Mathew247 11 ай бұрын

Just 13 minutes in and the host is unbearable. Even when he's not fully interrupting, he's saying "yeah...yeah"... which makes it hard to follow Gregg.

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

The apostles were talking about the destruction of the Temple that was the end of the Jewish age the church age began in AD 70 ✝️🙏

@barbarasemanach5406 11 ай бұрын

Dennis is so condescending and rude. Thankyou, Steve; you shine❤️

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

I didn't think Dennis was rude or condescending. ~ Jason

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

He cut you off and then says very good. I actually could not listen to the discussion as I found him too exasperating.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

I completely agree

@Loveforpeace887 10 күн бұрын

Steve is the man of Christ! God bless him and pray his voice is heard by many. There are so many lost Christians and hope they can be led to clarity with proper teaching.

@MD19AD 11 ай бұрын

Steve Gregg is great, Dennis is truly arrogant and really gives Steve little time and room to respond, when he does, he just falls over himself. Dennis is one of the major reason, people do not “go” to church or trust believers. His lack of humility and arrogant style would not lead anyone, truly searching, down a path of belief; he’s such a turn off. Well done again Steve, I concur with your approach and understand of “all” referring to 70 AD. Hopefully this brothers eyes will be open to truth and what he’s lacking to be a credible leader, of anything.

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

I pray for Dennis that God shows him the truth and takes the scales off his eyes 👀 why won't he just see the truth SMH✝️🙏

@Possum880 3 ай бұрын

I believe that premil/dispensational folks have been told their whole lives that their eschatological view, is the only view and that any other view is theological liberalism which is absurd.

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

Dispensationalists/Historic Premill folks please take note. The kind of argumentation put forth by Dennis is unconvincing at best, and insulting at worst. Learn to stay in the text that you've presented. If you have to keep moving on and evading the conclusions of basic exegesis, you've failed to make a case for your theological viewpoint. If you ever hope to persuade someone of your views, do not mimic the strategies of Dennis. Notice how Steve was able to walk through each text and not resort to jumping around the Bible to make his point. Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument. Steve has the patience of Job.

@rocketmanshawn 11 ай бұрын

Glad to hear Steve say Rev 21 is the final form of the Church. The only other person I've heard (read) saying that, other than myself, is Matthew Henry. IMO, that passage is repleat with glorification (of the Bride) symbols.

@gregorywilliams3769 8 күн бұрын

I love Matthew Henry...he goes very deep in all the Bible.

@brendaevans1378 2 ай бұрын

Steve Gregg is absolutely right 💯🤷🏻

@justinchamberlain3443 10 ай бұрын

40:01 major major point tearing down dispensationalism and browns view; "what leadership role are the jewish ppl as of yet to fulfill?" Tried to answer isa 40 to no avail at all and had to pivot

@J.F.331 2 ай бұрын

21:32 Dennis is so frustrating when quoting Hebrews 12:25-29. He says verse 28 is present tense……. Ummmm yeah, present tense to the audience whom this letter was written to, the 1st century Hebrew Christians that this letter was written to. How on earth does someone read a letter written in the 50’s and as soon as the words “let us…” is used it somehow means us living today in 2024? This is mind-boggling how so many treat the Bible in this way. And then 30 seconds later begins to question Steve’s hermeneutic? Not even realizing he arbitrarily inserted a parenthetical 2,000 year gap of time between verses 27 and 28. I guess since they add gaps of time between Daniel’s 69th and 70th week, with no justification at all, they can just add gaps of time anywhere they want with no exegetical reasoning as to why.

@ryankittle3431 11 ай бұрын

I can smell the defensiveness of the premillennialist from my home. I know because I used to get easily excited and hot when I was a premillennialist.

@CCarter2081 11 ай бұрын

Wow, the host is a master at evading. "We can talk about that..." as he switches subjects to something completely different so he does not have to talk about that. He did that multiple times, because he knows Mr. Gregg is 100% correct. Was Jesus not correct when He said "ALL" things were fulfilled in Luke 21:22? If you disagree, then you are either calling Jesus a liar or the N.T. writer was wrong and cannot be trusted. Both paths lead you to a bad place.

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

Welcome to trying to have an exegetical dialogue with a Futurist... It's so incredibly frustrating.

@Dennis144000 11 ай бұрын

Your argument is not only with Dennis but also Steve. This is an excerpt from Steve Gregg regarding Luke 21:22 in his book “Why Not Full Preterism”…. “Ezekiel, six hundred years earlier had made a similar statement: “But say to them, ‘The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision” (Ezek.12:23). This is predicting the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. The reference to “every vision” obviously does not speak of all the visions in the whole Bible (e.g., not those of Zechariah, nor the Book of Revelation-which had not yet been revealed). It is clear that Ezekiel is referring only to his own visions, and perhaps those of previous prophets who had also spoken of this specific disaster. “ end quote. Thus, one can rightly understand “all things written maybe fulfilled” in a futurist paradigm. As Steve points out in the debate one could rightly interpret the tribulation as starting in AD 70 and going all the way up into the second coming. This is exactly what many Futurists agree with. So there’s two very viable exegetical interpretations of Luke 21:22 that in no way support a preterist viewpoint. A) As stated above, Jesus was not saying that every single passage of the Old Testament would be fulfilled in those days of vengeance (AD 70), but that for all things to be fulfilled those prophecies regarding AD 70 must be fulfilled. In other words, Jesus was making a general statement regarding the fact that AD 70 was most assuredly going to come about, so that all prophecies could ultimately be fulfilled in the future. B) As Steve stated in the discussion, one could rightly view the tribulation, as having started in AD 70 and continued on up to the second coming. That being the case, in Luke. 21:22 Jesus reference to the days of vengeance could be understood as the entire tribulation. One must remember that Jesus omniscience was veiled and he did not know the day or the hour of his second coming. So then, “all things being written” will be fulfilled at the second coming of Jesus at the end of the tribulation.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

He's awful. Steve has such patience

@QUESTLOGOS 5 ай бұрын

This Dennis guy simply cannot help himself from interrupting Steve with some sort of interjection every time Steve spoke. In contrast, Steve patiently allowed Dennis to speak. In my opinion, that is a reflection that Dennis' arguments cannot stand scrutiny.

@mynonameyt 10 ай бұрын

This is a great example of two brothers who disagree on a biblical topic but nun the less have a great relationship. I’m learning from them, and how we might all act. I come away leaning toward Steve’s position, but props to both.

@RBoas 4 ай бұрын

I’m 20 minutes in and I have said “let Steve talk!” to Dennis multiple times.

@ForrestS 11 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, this host is so slippery... it's like trying to nail jello to the wall. As soon as Steve addresses his point (and in my view dismantles and disproves it), and jumps to another talking point. Kudos to Steve for keeping his cool and showing much grace. I know nothing about "Kingdom Talk", but if it's devoted in large part to a futurist pre-millenial eschatology, you can see why the host is so uptight and desperate to defend his position...if he has to acknowledge that his entire show is premised on a misunderstanding, there would be huge implications to his show and perhaps his employment, his reputation, etc...

@dongilmore7662 5 ай бұрын

Charitable conversation between two brothers in Christ on a tough subject…well done lads!

@All-Things-New 11 ай бұрын

Why do futurists not seem to listen? Interruption all the time. Not an even conversation. Also his microphone far louder.

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

It would have been great if this guy let you finish your points instead of interrupting to change the subject time and time again.

@truthseeker4252 11 ай бұрын

I felt the same way. But I have to admit, it's a pleasure to hear a discussion between people with strong convictions that don't resort to personal attacks and seem to genuinely care for one another. Regardless of which view you hold

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

Which guy?

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

Dennis. Not Steve Gregg

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

@@truthseeker4252I hear ya. I guess that I hold Christians to a higher standard of dialogue. Having a discussion without personal attacks is great. However, constantly interrupting and changing the topic and jumping around the Bible is just as detrimental to a conversation.

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

@@isaiahburridgemusic I agree it was very exasperating to watch him interrupting .. and evading Scriptures

@bryannagonzales7173 11 ай бұрын

Considering how Christian support for the state of Israel leads to apostacy, and idol worship, how could this NOT be a salvation issue?

@chrisrempel7822 6 ай бұрын

This host did a great job dodging Steves points. Host proved that he doesn't know how to argue his point and was dishonest in this discussion. Hard to watch. Steve is incredible and thorough. Dennis acts like a child.

@NathanEllery 11 ай бұрын

He's quite a rude and pretentious interviewer. If he invited you to speak and so he should stop interrupting you and allow you to do what he invited you to do.

@jeangreen432 11 ай бұрын

Is it just me, or was Steve's mic too low and Dennis' too loud? I found it difficult to listen, too many interruptions to Steve's responses. I would have loved to have been able to listen comfortably. to learn each man's godly views without straining. Instead of pointing out that someone's views lean a certain way, ask 'why'...this is a debate, right? We are all here to learn together humbly, not make someone feel 'wrong' for a view but to learn 'why'. The answers will reveal all to be correct or out of line. Patience and a true desire to know the truth go a long way in one's life of learning. God bless all who are seeking His Truth humbly and with a loving desire to draw nearer to our Lord and Savior's heart to serve and love

@dusttalking6871 11 ай бұрын

The interruptions were difficult to get through. Futurists are excitable.

@babylonsfall7 4 ай бұрын

1:02:00 - What about Luke 21:28 where Jesus says to raise your head (or look up) for your redemption is drawing near? Also you said that there is no verse where we are told to get our acts togerher becasue of the immanency of the return. What about 1 John 2:28? Pair that with your admission that they probably thought he was returning soon ("because they didn't know any better") and that seems like a solid lead. James's admonishment in 5:7ff?

@karenmerritt53 11 ай бұрын

I’ve learned so much from Gregg and this interview made me respect him even more. Dennis was rude s far as I’m concerned. He seemed very defensive and Gregg did not take the bait. I agree that this was a good interview in a sense but I found it hard to listen to Dennis. As an aside, i find it distracting looking at the American flag dominating the background!

@Lovejoy4 11 ай бұрын

Would love to have Steve Gregg be able to respond to the topics, without interruption. We learn nothing if we are in the "yea but," mindset. Be slow to listen.

@GINMOONLIGHT 4 ай бұрын

Do you know who else agrees with Dennis . Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh. He put out a book in 2006 Kabbalah and meditation for the nations . And it is all about the Jews, and Israel leading the gentiles being a light to the nations as it were teaching the gentiles about God and his Oneness. It’s about the Noahide laws . In the gentiles role . In bringing in the Messiah and the redemption and the repair of the world.. being taught only by the Jewish people.

@george1199 11 ай бұрын

Dennis needs to let Steve talk without interrupting him. Too many uh huhs and ramblings. I say this to helpful for next time. Blessings.

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

He cut you off and then says very good. This is frustrating if you don’t want to call it rude.

@SlavicUA 4 ай бұрын

Wow. It’s sad to see someone like Dennis being so obstinate point after conclusive point made by Steve. At some point, Dennis is gonna have to ease off. I believe Steve showed his view is more biblical.

@aroyalaustralian 11 ай бұрын

A debate moderator was needed here. (I bailed after 15 mins)

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

Not a single prophecy has ever had a second fulfillment. Nothing can be fulfilled twice. The definition of fulfillment means that something is complete and won't be fulfilled again. Things that may look like having 2 fulfillments actually have types and shadows of a fulfillment, and the fulfillment itself.

@Dennis144000 11 ай бұрын

Is 7:14 is one example of many that scholars see as having a double fulfillment. This is a prophecy that had a nearing in time fulfillment with regards to a sign to a has with regards to the deliverance of Israel from their enemies, Samaria and Damascus. It obviously is also was a prophecy of the virgin birth of Messiah.

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

@@Dennis144000 Agreed.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

Truth

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

I believe Dennis just doesn't want to hear the truth some people just want it their way know matter what but he's wrong 🤷

@qwerty-so6ml 7 ай бұрын

PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

Yeah. Unfortunately

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

@@qwerty-so6ml. No. They show how the prophecies were fulfilled already. Partial preterists reserve for the future only the prophecies about the second coming of Christ, the white throne judgement and the bringing In of the new heaven and the new earth, where the old is all thrown into the lake of fire

@qwerty-so6ml Ай бұрын

@@triciachampine5807 No such thing as a partial preterist, they are called historists. PRETERISTS, HISTORISTS are taking away from the worst horror the world will see (Matthew 24:21), when the earth shakes to and fro like a drunkard (Isaiah 24:20), as the pit is opened (Revelation 9:2) and the locusts are released (Joel 2:25). John received the book of Revelation. Yet, he was told that he would be coming back at the end. Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. That revelation of the prophesy again is in the past two decades:

@clelladams2326 Ай бұрын

question: @30 minutes. Zech 14:3, did God fight against the Romans? 14:4 Did the mount of olives split into two parts with a valley in the midst in AD70?

@Unique_Monk 2 күн бұрын

How can a futurist get past Matt 16:28 ?

@muler302 5 ай бұрын

Dennis interrupts a lot and changes topic as soon as he’s challenged.

@babylonsfall7 4 ай бұрын

Hello Steve! If you think Luke 21:20 means "all things prophecy" in the OT, doesn't that mean that Dan 12's resurrection took place in AD70 as well? And since the NT places the resurrection at Jesus's Coming (1 Thes 4), by derivative of that, Dan 12's resurrection has to be in conjunction with that? In other words Full Preterism is true?

@ForrestS 11 ай бұрын

This host is doing an awful job. He can't be quiet for 10 seconds. I think he can sense his position is weaker. They couldn't even progress in a discussion because he was jumping around to all his proof texts. As soon as Steve made a good point, he just changed the topic. (Full disclosure: I am not a pre-millenial or a dispensationalist)

@Steve-pm7xu 11 ай бұрын

IMO I don’t think Steve is using presuppositions coming to the text. He use to be a futurist. I believe through careful study and trying to let the scripture speak for itself, he came to these conclusions.

@anthonya8478 11 ай бұрын

This host is all over the place. Too bad. This could have been real good.

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

Just because something is not mentioned (like Isaiah 60), that doesn't necessarily mean your position is true. That's a fallacy.

@theelizabethan1 11 ай бұрын

The prophecy of the "great falling away," as ascribed to affect the Church, aligns with the closing of the "age of Grace," doesn't it? How does the Church continue as the mighty force which preterism espouses?

@brendaevans1378 10 ай бұрын

This is AD 70 futurist need to study more because they have still have dispensationalists views! I'll be so glad when the whole body of Christ can understand the truth because I believe it's Satan that's trying to confuse God's people 🤷

@Spirit-FilledMindset 11 ай бұрын

I beg to differ with the statements that the church is not glorified or resurrected yet. If we aren't resurrected yet, there's a huge problem. Somehow Steve just interprets this as being literal for no reason at all. We are resurrected as a new man in Christ Jesus. We are glorified in Him. This is what is known as the rapture.

@raskolnikov6443 11 ай бұрын

We have not yet been bodily resurrected and glorified. We have received the holy spirit so we are in that sense reborn in Christ. But we are not yet glorified. We have to work our our salvation (with fear and trembling) and we can still lose our salvation and we still have to die a physical death. None of that will be the case once we are glorified.

@ryankittle3431 11 ай бұрын

Postmillennial believers do not believe we take over the world, we believe that Christ is expanding His kingdom on the Earth.

@chipparker3950 5 ай бұрын

Two guys arguing. Both have a better understanding of the subject than their audience. Referring to scripture that the audience has not memorized or maybe even familiar with. They both talk over each other and interrupt each other. I am a fan of Steve and have learned a lot from him but have occasionally found him to be argumentative. The listeners would be better served to narrow the references, quote the passages and let each develop their view and then answer. Less ground would be covered but we would have a better understanding. After listening with interest for nearly an hour there's little that I can take away.

@truthseeker4252 11 ай бұрын

Great to see a cordial, yet still pationate discussion, but the host kept the debate very superficial. Kept moving on rather than breaking the verses down and supporting them, obviously with a few exceptions. EDIT: I spoke too soon. The second half Dennis was more thorough i thought. Still didn't convince me but im sure many historic premillennialist in the audience felt the sameway about Steve. All good, brothers.

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

Dennis interrupted Steve at every turn

@jlar1984 11 ай бұрын

Steve, do you have any videos relating to head coverings. Women’s hair. And man’s hair.?

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

It should be covered in his 1 Corinthians 11 lecture kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3y0fHlqrrega80si=Dp-EVNndYv_ESlAA

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

Also Steve has answered questions on it here www.matthew713.com/search/index.php?keywords=Hair&topic=_none

@Amadeus12345-y 11 ай бұрын

There is ot verse unfulfilled yet, the ressurection , death where is your sting.... but I agree With Steve.

@georgerudesill4302 11 ай бұрын

After 65 yrs of hearing all this stuff I'm just tired of it. Why don't we just get out there and proclaim the Good News and let the Father take care of the details. OH, sorry this will cost writers millions of dollars in books sells. Very sad

@justtruth8310 11 ай бұрын

We are proclaiming the Word. But there is importance in all of God's Word just look at what the Pre mills do to mislead in subtle ways. The "imminent" belief is foolish and can draw someone into wrong conclusions and foster complacency. What ever God out in His word must be fair game to teach. Teach not divide.

@qwerty-so6ml 7 ай бұрын

@@justtruth8310 PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

@THEsotetoldal 11 ай бұрын

Wow, this has to happen more often! I need to give some overlooked input, humbly. All the visions about the Son of Man I believe to be about the Messiah. However, there is that girdle of gold that sometimes appears and can be related to the linnen girdle of Jeremiah. I believe that when the girdle is on then the vision is about the times after the flock of Christ, which is His precious gold passed through fire, is already at hand. Othervise not. See if this is true and whether it can help.

@larrytruelove8659 6 ай бұрын

This double-fulfillment stuff looks like question begging. They need to create double fulfillment because it helps their position. But they need to prove such a thing exists.

@jamesba-xd7xf 11 ай бұрын

dennis is draging out old testiment verses which WERE fullfilled 2000 years ago to over ride new testiment verses that explain old testiment verses. Jesus said that "ALL things written WILL BE FULLFILLED in HIS day, HIS Generation" . dennis then says "do you think Jesus REALLY meant all old testiment prophecies"?? . YES I do dennis. you are trying to say Jesus did not really mean what he clearly said. THATS a huge problem. NEXT.....does steve and dennis believe we are right with God becouse of our faith in christs shed blood to save us....OR do they believe we are made right with God by our obedience to christ and his laws?? James says if we keep ALL of Gods laws but fail at one point we are guilty of ALL. I trust in christ and his shed blood NOT in my rightousness/obedience. NONE of us are100% obedient to christ 100% of the time as the law demands. paul said " if we depend upon keeping the law for rightousness we are SEVERED from christ". Im troubled by steves attitude that seems to be that he is right with God becouse he is "doing what jesus wants me to do", does he follow jesus in everything 24/7?

@Dennis144000 11 ай бұрын

@dusttalking6871 11 ай бұрын

The idea of the tribulation being the entire inter-advent period is novel and wasn’t advanced by any church father or by any dispensationalist. I’ve never even read it from historical or idealist interpreters. It must be what’s currently in vogue at DTS, Moody, and other colleges and seminaries teaching dispensationalism. This was difficult to listen to because of the way McCourt conducted this discussion. I have to side with Steve Gregg here.

@shelleythomas1046 11 ай бұрын

Dr. Michael Brown does believe in a rapture. BUT says instead the church is leaving for a short bit to welcome Jesus back, kinda like running outside for abit to greet Jesus. He does not want to be said he is part of the rapture crowd.

@shelleythomas1046 11 ай бұрын

Where in the Bible is Jesus somehow connected to a 1000 year period on this eart? The unrighteous rise from the grave after a 1000 years and Satan out of his prison after 1000 years but they are destroyed by fire from heaven. Where is there any connection of 1000 years with Jesus. When Jesus returns gets his people outa here forever in my understanding.

@dusttalking6871 11 ай бұрын

@@shelleythomas1046 Origen called chiliasm (the term used to describe the thousand-year reign) "Jewish." J.P. Lange cites DeWette who cites the epistle of Barnabas (c.xv) that, "as [the Holy One] created the world in six days and rested the seventh day, so in six thousand years all things would be consummated and in the last chiliad a great world-Sabbath would be celebrated." J.P. Lange, Commentary on the Holy Scriptures, Philip Schaff, trans., Revelation, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, n.d.), 351.

@dusttalking6871 11 ай бұрын

@@shelleythomas1046 The ancient historic premillennialists as well as the amillennialists, believed in the rapture too. They simply viewed that event as part of the Second Coming and not an event before it by seven years (pre-trib rapture). It's part of the Second Advent. I Thess 4:16-17 = 2 Thess 1:7-10. The term used in 1 Thess 4:16-18 ("meet") is the same one used to describe Paul's being met by the Ephesians as he entered the city (Act 28:15). The raptured saints are taken up to accompany the Lord on his final descent to Earth for the Last Judgment. The rapture is a genuine doctrine, i.e., it isn't something invented by J.N. Darby. Rather, the pretribulation spin on the timing of the event is a novelty of Darby's.

@shelleythomas1046 11 ай бұрын

@@dusttalking6871 hi thx for reply. How long will the saints be taken up to accompany the Lord's descent back to earth?

@babylonsfall7 4 ай бұрын

1:06:10 - you said that you believe Jesus could come today. How? 2 Thes 2:1-11 places a lot of conditions upon that return that make it neigh impossible to take place in one day.

@JPH4886 11 ай бұрын

Steve Gregg is awesome but the other guys mic is so much louder, I had to stop listening. Sorry probably a great debate

@MD19AD 11 ай бұрын

I have listened to this (4) times now, only because of Steve. I love his approach and knowledge, especially during debates. Dennis please repent of your “cunning, arrogant, manipulative” spirit. It is similar to that of the serpent in the garden; “did God say.” You speak down to Steve in your attitude, as though you are trying desperately to help see. You are deceived. You would make the perfect politician, with your spin. Repent!

@qwerty-so6ml 7 ай бұрын

@keithmadison8754 Ай бұрын

Wrong !@@qwerty-so6ml

@suncloud4193 11 ай бұрын

I love the conversation, but when Steve mentions the idealistic view, I don’t know what he means?

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

Steve explains the idealist view here: www.matthew713.com/search/index.php?keywords=Idealist&topic=_none

@Mathew247 11 ай бұрын

@@SteveGreggVideos Steve would love the book "Jacob and Esau Two Nations and the Inheritance". It's packed with references from the OT that point to the New Covenant that I've never heard Steve mention. I know Steve has many books sent to him but I'm telling you...this book is unique.

@justtruth8310 11 ай бұрын

Idealist means they believe a little of this and a little of that. Eclectic.

@DavidGuess-uq1ue 11 ай бұрын

Jesus fulfilled the Ezekiel temple ‭‭John‬ ‭2:19‭-‬22‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [19] Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” [20] They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” [21] But the temple he had spoken of was his body. [22] After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. ‭‭‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [22] I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

I have read a document that suggests Jesus did return. .. in 70 AD. the problem is it cannot be verified, but the things it contains are suggestive of it being true.I Steve do you have an email that you don’t mind people contacting you at.

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

You'll find it at thenarrowpath.com. Steve is not on KZbin. ~ Jason

@raskolnikov6443 11 ай бұрын

In judgement? Yes! Physically as described in acts 1 (ascension)? No. That is still future. But yes Jesus came in judgement in 70AD just like Yahweh did multiple times in the OT. That’s not a physical appearance though.

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

@@raskolnikov6443 how do you know you weren’t there? He told his followers that they would see him come in his kingdom either he was a liar, or he did it. We do not need evidence. He told him multiple times he would return for them not judgement.

@bryannagonzales7173 11 ай бұрын

He did come after he was resurrected and He taught them for 40 days before he ascended. He taught them about his kingdom and the coming if the Comforter but he had to leave so the Comforter could come. Is it possible that his kingdom is a spiritual one? No man can enter into the kingdom unless they are born of water and Spirit. This confused Nicodemus too.

@Cassiehope888 11 ай бұрын

@@bryannagonzales7173 he said some of them would not die until they saw him come this implies there was more than 40 days involved. He also said they would see him coming in the clouds…He was not talking about his resurrection go back and read the gospel account of what he said.

@nathanlidgett5688 11 ай бұрын

Jesus replaced the red heifer, at the cross. = Jesus' blood cleanses the altar and sins of man ( you call the behemoth the red heifer ) this is the only way you can approach the altar of G-D by the blood. == Shalom

@triciachampine5807 Ай бұрын

Amen

@qwerty-so6ml 7 ай бұрын

@nathanwhite7765 11 ай бұрын

Its just not reasonable to think that the son would be playing his gameboy. Nintendo switch would be more realistic

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

🤣

@theodorjoensen 10 ай бұрын

Steves comment about the sealing of Daniel was only 490 years off. This is one key why this man os blinded by jesuit teachings. Too many -ist teachings mixing everything up into nonsence. Daniel prophisied to the end of time. The latter part of his prophesies was sealed, and was unsealed by revelation. Revelation adds the sealed portions in great detail confirming Daniel.

@moonglow7710 10 ай бұрын

27:10 Mount of Olives

@theelizabethan1 11 ай бұрын

The contemporary status of the universal Church is not evidenced as making great headway .....

@eightpoint58 11 ай бұрын

I find the preterist to leave a feeling anticlimactic because i was praying for my dieing son of cancer and my wheel chair bound brother to be healed before they die. Of course we're planning on being raised from the dead to be healed. Even though i find the prederist interpretation anticlimactic i find it true compaired to having to twist scriptures into pretzels to make it fit. That being said i much prefer Jesus coming back and heal everyone that loves the Lord before we die. Just saying

@wildrover9650 11 ай бұрын

Steve looks like a biker. Not thats a bad thing. Can anyone give link to this podcast?

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

And Dennis looks like he drives a Taurus. Ha ha. Every podcast page I've looked up doesn't have a post after Dec 15. podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/kingdom-talk-radio

@mikenelson7894 15 күн бұрын

This conversation is investigative but not edifying. Nobody gets saved from this conversation . Reality is that only a small will be alive and remain that will see Jesus come in the clouds. All the rest of us will die and be buried awaiting our resurrection. Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and following Him is much more important than this conversation

@All-Things-New 11 ай бұрын

I gave up half way through. Rude host.

@justtruth8310 11 ай бұрын

I did not see the host as rude. I saw him as lacking knowledge drawing from his Futurist leanings. He was respectful I thought. But Steve is a encyclopedia of knowledge!

@All-Things-New 11 ай бұрын

@@justtruth8310 you are probably right. Maybe not so much rude, but so fixed in his mind that he didn’t want to hear the simple logic of Steve’s exposition.

@donhaddix3770 8 ай бұрын

according to historic premillenialist it is all done, which is nonsense .

@noraplowshay8784 11 ай бұрын

I'm very disappointed! I've never before today seen Steve NOT let someone speak their point. 😒

@SteveGreggVideos 11 ай бұрын

Steve is definitely not perfect. ~ Jason

@timothyhaugan2903 Ай бұрын

A useless conversation for us mere mortals

@pappap1702 19 күн бұрын

Both these guys are wrong.

@kenredbourn6828 6 ай бұрын

STEVE DENIES REV.1:19 , REV.4:1 , REV.10: 4, 11 EVEN IF YOU POINT-IT-OUT......REPEATEDLY. HE ALSO DENIES DANIEL 12: 13 CLEARLY DEFINES THE .....TIME OF THE END.....= 21stCENTURY ( as well as the 1stCentury ).

@donhaddix3770 8 ай бұрын

literal but has not happened yet. Revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Tereo ek tay-reh'-o Verb NAS Word Usage - Total: 71 1. to attend to carefully, take care of a. to guard b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is c. to observe d. to reserve: to undergo something Ek ek Preposition NAS Word Usage - Total: 62 1. out of, from, by, away from harpazō 1) to seize, carry off by force 2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly 3) to snatch out or away Revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Tereo ek tay-reh'-o Verb NAS Word Usage - Total: 71 1. to attend to carefully, take care of a. to guard b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is c. to observe d. to reserve: to undergo something Ek ek Preposition NAS Word Usage - Total: 62 1. out of, from, by, away from harpazō 1) to seize, carry off by force 2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly 3) to snatch out or away