Teen Wins 1A Suit Against Sheriff

This is the follow up to: • Arrest Your Family Ove...

[@schrodingerszombie2401]

Just the fact they told her to take it down in the first place would be an intimidation because of their authority. Absolutely an infringement.

[@wxmyjnsn]

Deprivation of rights under color of law.

[@twothreefour234]

@@wxmyjnsn when its their paycheck or your rights you know who will lose every time.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

100%. He doesn't have that authority.

[@409CJ]

That is BY DEFINITION against the 1st amendment! These people are not THAT stupid!

[@threatassessment606]

You think there going to stop?

[@PInk77W1]

When the sheriff does something wrong it’s “Out of line” When I do something wrong it’s “Six months in jail”

[@nickabel8279]

This!

[@embracethesuck1041]

Exactly! If you're in the government, you can violate our core governing law and receive zero retribution. If you have nothing to lose, the only thing that restrains you is your better angels.

[@zamiel3]

So go do something about it. Or, just keep crying on KZbin.

[@Bryan-vr9mr]

@@zamiel3 perhaps don't assume he hasn't been doing something about it.

[@zamiel3]

@@Bryan-vr9mr I didn't. Perhaps don't assume, that I did.

[@STI2000]

I can all but guarantee that this family is now in the cross hairs of the Sheriffs Department. Law Enforcement is not known for losing anything gracefully.

[@seanberthiaume6909]

They'll be followed/watched...

[@MuzzaHukka]

What can someone who's in LE's crosshairs do? Move to the next county over?

[@robzombie1845]

​@MuzzaHukka pretty much if you get on the bad side of local law enforcement the only way out of it is to either make them like you somehow or go elsewhere personal prejudice isnt supposed to be a factor in law enforcement but the officers are human and it very much can be they do target people they dont like more than those they do

[@MuzzaHukka]

@@robzombie1845 doesn't answer my question: if some small town Sheriff doesn't like me, can I just move to be outside of his jurisdiction?

[@jameshobbs9180]

@@MuzzaHukka potentially. But it also depends. If it's a county right next to that one, there's a good chance that that Sheriff knows the other one pretty well. So just moving to a new county might not be enough. You need to move to a new county where that Sheriff doesn't know that one.

[@irdmoose]

If I had been her father, I would have simply told my daughter, "Under no circumstances are you to take that post down. Let him take me to jail, I'll get your college paid for by him and the sheriff."

[@hybrdthry911]

100% would never have allowed her him to even speak with my daughter let alone tell her to take that post down.

[@marclabelle4253]

while nice on paper (or web comments) the reality is I can't afford the arrest and subsequent possible loss of my employment, and I'm sure many are in the same boat.

[@wrd3136]

Cops don't pay tax payers would be liable!

[@irdmoose]

@@wrd3136 That needs to change, and abolishing Qualified Immunity is the first step.

[@sclm55]

Exactly. Only Debby Downer in that scenario, neither the sheriff, nor his deputies, nor is his lawyer going to personally be held liable.

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

"The First Amendment is not a game setting for the government to toggle off and on, It applies in times of tranquility and times of strife.” Greatest statement ever by a judge. There still should be some consequences for the school superintendant who started all this by telling the Sheriff to get the post taken down.

[@nasis18]

There was a great quote I heard from an auditor. I don't quite remember it correctly, but it was something like "the best acknowledgement of rights, is the ability to use them". Very similar to what the judge said.

[@Nickle314]

So here's the question. What does the bar council have to say about a lawyer lying?

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

@@nasis18 I also like my take on that same subject "laws are like muscles, if you don't exercise them they will fade away."

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

@@Nickle314 If they can prove the lawyer knowingly lied in court, that is an ethics violation, the lawyer can be sanctioned or disbarred.

[@Nickle314]

@@MichaelClark-uw7ex If they lied to the press, that's also an ethics violation.

[@brylythhighlights4335]

Lying about something to make someone look bad and then testifying otherwise in court is a great way to get sued a second time!

[@Hacker-at-Large]

Actual consequences for the public employee? No? Nothing gained. They’ll just do it again. That’s how the tyranny is perpetrated. They pay off the complainant with their own tax money, and business proceeds as usual.

[@alanmcentee9457]

Not quite. The win goes down as a huge embarrassment for the Sheriff and his office. The Sheriff is a politician and will need to explain himself next election. Also, the office is now on notice that there could be a large settlement if any of them violate someone's First Amendment rights. Also, there would be no qualified immunity for the individual officers.

[@robertlee9395]

@@alanmcentee9457 The public will forget. The Incumbent, at the Top of the List on Election Day always wins re-election!

[@RayleighCriterion]

If you seize the sheriff's Surety Bond they are immediately terminated from their job.

[@solutionsforabrightfuture3579]

When cops start getting locked up for violating amendments.

[@joekr9424]

@@alanmcentee9457 Biden gets embarrassed every 10 minutes and he is still destroying our country, these idiots don't care about embarrassment.

[@tchevrier]

as an officer of the court, the lawyer should be held to a higher standard and should be brought up for review by the bar association.

[@surfinbird1238]

Good for that young lady. She protected all of our freedoms.

[@TheRoadhammer379]

Meanwhile, nothing has changed

[@HappyHoboRecovery]

No doubt. This isn't the ONLY incident of small town Admins sending the Police to a Citizen's home threatening arrest over posting thoughts on Social Media ...

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@I'm Learnding sounds like you have confused left and right...

[@goatgod2009]

@@SonsOfLorgar authoritarianism is not partisan, both left and right want to control speech they don't like, for example, allowing BLM protests but shutting down all other protests. They also want to control your body, for example, vaccine mandates and abortion bans. Educate yourself.

[@alanmcentee9457]

@@goatgod2009 Really? vaccine mandates is controlling your body? Please show us where BLM protests are allowed but other protests aren't.

[@RichardRamage1]

When a uniformed officer shows up to your property he is there under color of law and any comment he makes, like "Start taking people to jail" is a threat of arrest. Any rational thinking person would perceive it as such.

[@havenbastion]

Rationality is not allowed in law.

[@scrambledmandible]

Well it's not necessarily a threat of arrest, you could also say it's a threat of kidnapping

[@martincassidy4839]

Lawyers and cops are an industrial machine. That only feeds on pain and suffering of the people that they are supposed to serve. Laws are as they see fit to keep the machine going. Every thing a cops or a lawyer does, they get paid. The victims do not, only pay. Most times they pay with jail time. Keeping the industry of pain and suffering going. Only country in the free world. That will build more prisons that public housing to help the poor.

[@BlankBrain]

The thin blue line is a wide brown streak.

[@KentuckyReef]

@@scrambledmandible it had to be one or the other. Either it was a threat of arrest or a threat to kidnap them

[@LackLusterMedia]

3:07 - I wish that were true. That's not the kind of thing that is supposed to happen in America, but is happening constantly.

[@TruthrConsequences]

Members of the bar have a stake in supporting the dominant system in principle... even though every bit of evidence disproves that supposition!

[@thisbushnell2012]

In TX and FL for sure.

[@jameswilson3385]

*"AND ALL THE TIME ALSO!!!! DUH!!!"*

[@jameswilson3385]

@@thisbushnell2012 *"AND ALL THE TIME ALSO!!!! DUH!!!"*

[@billyback1038]

If you do something they say is wrong, there's money involved always. The lawyer lied in court to win a case, he should, either out of his pocket, have to pay damages or be dismissed. They are supposed to be above reproach. And, the whole thing was silly. For he police to come out to her house over a social media post is the beginning of facism if not already ongoing from the way police officers love to exert their authority for almost any reason. And, as a sidenote. Fire all female cops.

[@americanaxetoolco2076]

Sheriff and his deputies involved need to be charged with abuse of power!

[@johntrevy1]

Agreed. They don't even have jurisdiction in this matter, that is up to the SM company.

[@falcon127]

They need much jail time.

[@stephensanders5166]

@@falcon127 no they need all their money given to the girl

[@Goldencat44]

Sheriff's if i am correct are elected, and can be dismissed from that post

[@nekuraookami]

@@stephensanders5166 why not both

[@dennisberman4640]

Steve hates it when someone lies... it's extra spicy when a Lawyer does it publicly. Great discussion Steve !! Well done.

[@douggodfrey6521]

" The kids got no respect for the Law today & Blah , Blah ,Blah".

[@willweng305]

Lawyers don’t lie, that’s illegal. They argue facts.

[@annoyingobservations2310]

How about a federal investigation for civil rights violations. Looks like a Sheriff and a deputy need to do prison time. And the lying sheriff's attorney lose his license. Serve time with the Sheriff.

[@mattwebb4830]

@@willweng305 They lie all the time, it's just almost impossible to catch them unless you video record it. Even then it hardly gets them disbarred, let alone criminal prosecution...

[@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488]

Trump's attorneys lied repeatedly in public, that's what has landed crazy Rudy in trouble

[@DiscGolfFool]

The Health Department, the School Principal and Superintendent of Schools should be liable also because they all conspired with the Sherriff's office to intimidate to remove post. No one from the school contacted the student or parents to resolve the situation but conspired with the Health Department and Sherriff.

[@hybrdthry911]

Immediately went to the violent arm of the state to resolve the issue.

[@robertmooberry725]

Official oppression under color of law?

[@buddrinkerdrinks]

@@robertmooberry725 I would say so in my book.

[@robertthegrape2192]

Oh no, a conspiracy theory...oh, wait, it isn't a theory it is an actual conspiracy! How about that, the school and the health folks conspiring with the LEO's to show they have the power!

[@bullinmd]

Members of that sheriff's department who made that threat should NEVER WORK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT EVER AGAIN!

[@Osseric]

I agree the sheriff should be voted out, but I don't think they we're acting in bad faith or maliciously here. Law enforcement aren't lawyers or judges. And asking a officer to go through the same level of education as one plus everything they need to learn is unrealistic. This should be a lessons learned by the department and if the deputy involved has repeated similar cases then that's a problem, but it's unrealistic to expect anyone to be perfect at their job even police. It is expected that they learn and are competent enough not to be abusive.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@@Osseric "Stop saying what you're saying or we'll arrest you" doesn't require a deep legal understanding to identify the problem with it. If a officer doesn't realize that had first amendment issues, then we have a problem on the basic IQ level.

[@rhymeswithorange6092]

@@Osseric Disagree in this case. This was such a clear violation of constitutional rights, and being completely not about anything in any way illegal, so obviously beyond the duties of police, there is no ignorance excuse I would find credible. This was a police department that dispatched an officer to order private citizens to take down a social media post that was in no way a threat of violence, under penalty of being taken to jail if they don't. We expect soldiers to not follow unconstitutional orders, and be subject to prosecution if they are "just following orders" and crimes are committed. I think expecting the same of police is a pretty low bar to hold them to.

[@robertlee9395]

There are really really bad cops that actually do get away with murder that are on the Force still. I'd like to see these people go to. I'd also like to see some bad Doctors retire too.

[@alanmcentee9457]

@@Osseric It isn't a matter of being perfect. The Sheriff is responsible for upholding the law. That means they need to be knowledgeable of what the Constitution and law allows. Yes, they may make mistakes and that is why they have qualified immunity. If that mistake is blatant then there may not be that immunity. As for punishing the officer, this is not a question of abuse. He was ordered by the Sheriff to do something and he followed his orders. That doesn't make his actions legal but that would probably give him personal immunity. It isn't that I agree, but that is in considering previous cases.

[@bradkirsch9529]

Steve you may not have noticed, but we are quickly becoming "someplace else."

[@paulthecpa2717]

Well said Sir! I loathe to think there may be a day that America is lumped into those places that are considered someplace else.

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

That's the difference between America and the United States.

[@wolphin732]

That attorney needs to have a complaint filed for knowingly (or ought to have known) that their statement was clearly incorrect. The Sheriff and deputy should not only be charged with abuse of power but aren't they sworn to uphold the constitution? if so, they have breached their oath to do it. If the school asked the sheriff to get it down, wouldn't that also now be a conspiracy?

[@ruleoflawnews]

The crime committed was a violation of a federal statute 18 usc 241 Conspiracy to Deprive Rights or 18 usc 242 Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law.

[@kengunnett2017]

Give it a rest, you're clueless

[@bjrnpost4633]

There is a norweigan saying that you dont let the goat watch he bag of oat. ..

[@timewa851]

@@kengunnett2017 deputies lie. it's what they do when not hunting donuts.

[@shaunclarkson7131]

Pretty much every "guilty" verdict against the police for violating 1A, is also proof they violated their oath to uphold and protect the constitution. What, if anything is the prescribed penalty for violation of that oath. I would think at the very least a termination of employment, since "lying on your resume" is a valid cause for dismissal in pretty much any employment scenario.

[@KJ-xt3yu]

This^ is the reason they Play musical chairs with the departments.

[@spartanactual3379]

Those are the folks staying on the force while the good ones are saying fuck this shit I won’t do it and are resigning

[@tyree9055]

It's got to be proven to be intentional though. Not sure if you can blame the deputy for following the Sheriff's orders, though arguably he shouldn't be following "Unlawful Orders" which this clearly is... Either way, they need to do some retraining! 😅

[@garyh6486]

Steve, 18 usc 242, deprivation of rights under color of law. Is this something all "law enforcement" in this case violated?

[@garyh6486]

A dangerous trend in law enforcement in that often it becomes feelings enforcement.

[@redneckbarbie]

Now that this is over, I honestly think the girl's family should go after the school principal for slander and libel because they said she was lying and only seeking attention. So they literally called her a liar and an attention seeker in a letter sent out to the entire School District! And I hope once you bring suit against the school, she will win at that juncture as well.

[@toriless]

If that was the case it may possibly be slander of damages can be shown.

[@A_barrel]

​@@toriless If print it's libel. And in neither case does there need to be damages. Loss of reputation or even emotional consequences.

[@Justinlearns]

That entire local government is way to small and sensitive. How can they mobilize like that over 1 IG post? That takes serious responses

[@jfm562]

I've been a cop for over thirty years. This is infuriating!

[@RyanMaki]

"We are not an automobile manufacturer, we only assemble the parts."

[@Elliandr]

"We don't use the money we steal. We give it to the Feds who separately give us money." oh, wait, that's what they actually say in Equitable Sharing Cases. Makes me wonder why I can't say, "No, I don't owe taxes because I don't earn money. I work for free and my boss separately gives me money."

[@davidmyers2912]

As a retired police chief I am incensed that a Sheriff would have done this to this young lady and her family. Disorderly conduct? The act of threatening thus family was disorderly and I hope the Sheriff’s office is held financially responsible.

[@jackadams3878]

but they wont be and you know it

[@johnwilson6707]

you hope not a chance in hell as a retired non cop

[@Cheryl_in_TX]

Held financially responsible by whom? Who is there to hold sheriffs accountable? Sheriffs have an enormous amount of power and substantial political influence, but answer to no one on the day to day. There is no real oversight for sheriffs in this country.

[@mrwilliamwonder]

so we get to pay it.

[@ms_cartographer]

Use that fucker's fat pension to pay for the lawsuit.

[@able34bravo37]

When you tell the cops they can lie to the public, their lawyers will follow suit.

[@AFloridaSon]

Got to love Steve, just for calling out other lawyers.

[@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565]

So, to be clear, he was calling out the lawyer publicly said no one was threatened with arrest while stipulating court the facts (which included a threat of arrest was made) was true? I might have missed that point. lol. I would hate to see this lawyer being the only one being punished for this Schrodenger's arrest threat.

[@joehung1552]

I'd love to see him call out the lawyer who keeps trying to sue WWE that keeps getting shut down.

[@sur-real3416]

I would like to think shared profession or not, one should call out what is wrong regardless of your background. But okay.

[@RJN31428]

The Sherriff SHOULD BE paying the legal fees and ANY judgement.

[@bruceboyer8187]

They are. It's part of a 1983 Fed Civil rights lawsuit win by statute.

[@60sSam]

@@bruceboyer8187 Thing he means from the sheriff's own pocket not tax payer money. Personally I say that's the issue, they take a bad action, then defend that bad action with tax payer dollars and then even if they are forced to pay, they pay with tax payer dollars. They never learn the harsh lesson of having to take that money hit when they do wrong. Not our police, not our schools (teachers might have to, but never the school admins), not our judges. They won't learn because they are never personally held responsible.

[@patpeacock8150]

What I like to know is how did the sheriff know she tested negative sound like they was in her medical records.

[@sceptre1922]

That's in violation of the HIPPA Law.

[@kimberlycaldwell3124]

@@sceptre1922 "HIPAA" (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) not being snarky, I used to think it was two P's also. Just informing.

[@gypsymom0819]

@@kimberlycaldwell3124 I'm an RN and was about to do the same. 😜

[@amanofmanyparts9120]

I believe that she included the negative results in her original (pre hospital and oxygen therapy post) ... post.

[@benerval7]

The attorneys false statement must be made a news article. Let the entire community know the lawyer is a manipulative person.

[@z33511]

I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to hear that lawyers might be manipulative people...

[@Eagle1349]

I often think back to my days as a young law enforcement officer in the 80s. The world is now a different place indeed. I could have never imagine the legal issues we are dealing with in relation to a digital world! By the way, what are today cops being taught during the Constitutional law block at the academy? Thanks for the video!

[@shirleyrichard-qv9lw]

Can Constitution be learned in six weeks

[@dingusdingus2152]

​@@shirleyrichard-qv9lwthe 10 amendments which the bill of rights consists of is all the cops need to learn, and could be learned in less than 6 hours.

[@personzorz]

They're taught how to lie to make it seem like they follow it when they don't

[@wilycoyote5360]

"I am SHOCKED that the attorney for a SHERIFF's department would lie." Show me a sheriff who does not lie in nearly every encounter.

[@toriless]

They lie by omission since they think that still makes it true.

[@JayTemple]

@@toriless They're allowed to lie explicitly to a suspect.

[@rbest3519]

Very true

[@CherokeeFlyr]

The plaintiff should file an ethics complaint with the Wisconsin Bar against the defendant’s attorney.

[@chele-chele]

Only until these judgements start to come out of the pensions and personal pockets of the goons involved will behaviors change.

[@johnpetermalcolm]

Absolutely correct. The plaintiff should be means tested to pay a fine that hurts, and the police pension fund should cover the balance.

[@NYyankeeboi]

Yes, correct. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[@sur-real3416]

Yes absolutely sue the individual involved police or lawyer on a personal level, forcing them into bankruptcy so they can have their friends in blue start a GoFundMe page for their brother in blue. Maybe if we start bankrupting individuals for egregious behavior that goes against what they're sworn to uphold will things then start to change

[@sheepdog1102]

I bet that the sheriff’s attorney wishes you would quit saying that. lol 😂

[@benc.enlots]

You can imagine my surprise that a lawyer lied to the public....

[@michaelschneider6106]

I was shocked to hear that...

[@benc.enlots]

@@michaelschneider6106 🤣😂🤣

[@Dragonstalon1001]

Ha ha nice Sarcasm!!

[@KaiHenningsen]

For that matter, I dimly recall some recent cases where lawyers told the public they had this long list of evidence, and then turned around and told the courts pretty much "we don't got nuthin'". Anyone else remember that?

[@michaelschneider6106]

@@KaiHenningsen Adam Schiff? LOL

[@johnnyfiveo]

9:53 "attorneys MIGHT be allowed to make false statements in Wisconsin, I don't know" I'm dead

[@solarnaut]

ffs, steve spent 20 minutes complaining about this one point 10 times, presumably attorneys have a freedom of speech as well. Is steve supposing that "the state bar" should be holding their conduct/ speech outside of court to a standard ? If only we had an attorney around here to consider this question. B-)

[@kx4532]

classic!

[@ropersonline]

Just wait until you get to 19:38.

[@cypeman8037]

@@ropersonline Why is there going to be a war?

[@darkarima]

Attorneys like the sheriff's are why no attorney wants to be called a lawyer. Sounds too much like "liar", which is perfectly applicable here.

[@saab9251]

I love how it’s unlikely that attorneys are allowed to make false statements, but it is allowed and encouraged for police to make false statements. Rules for thee but not for me woohoo!

[@cliftonmcnalley8469]

Many people that had it, tested negative while sick and then tested positive for antibodies afterwards. The truly scary part of this is that the Sherriff, who I feel confident has zero medical expertise, believed he had the right to silence someone that potentially posed a severe, emergency health concern for the residents of that area. The Sherriff and all deputies that upheld these gestapo directives should all be fired. They are all too dangerously mentally incompetent to wear a uniform and carry a weapon.

[@cwstewartjr1973]

Boy, those declarations sure will teach that sheriff department

[@sur-real3416]

... well I do declare... Yeah, that's gonna help.

[@joelgeving7529]

I bet that family will face petty harassments from deputies for years to come.

[@darkguardian1314]

Should have at least sued for legal fees. Police was using intimidation and even if arrested would be an inconvenience to the family...to send a message over a random post.

[@Adroit1911]

She's still young and optimistic 🙄🤣

[@danlove4270]

The accused was lucky The Wisconsin Institute of Liberty and Law helped with the lawsuit. Most of us dont have money to fight.

[@arbiterodie7685]

@Future Pants I'm glad you got away from that. Sounds like that area's culture is a mess if the cops are comfortable behaving in that way.

[@Tom-hz9oc]

@Future Pants Simply put, your case didn’t meet their political goals at the time.

[@kellychristus2496]

I heard recently from someone on KZbin that western governments hate freedom / liberty; and, quite honestly, with how I've seen things been going down the past 20 years, and with these kinds of cases in the Courts, I am leaning toward the statement holding truth. Thank you for sharing this story with us all

[@garycurry4600]

Perhaps the PD could give up their right to Civil Asset Forfeiture. Either that or place the offending officer and sheriff in a set of public stocks for a day at the seat of county government.

[@jupitercyclops6521]

I vote stocks in this matter. & btw,- because cops practice something (ie asset forfeiture) doesn't necessarily mean they have the right tovdo it.

[@googy75]

And let anyone who feels like it throw FUCKING big rocks at them.

[@willdejong7763]

So the girl's family is presumably out attorney's fees, not to mention their own time, and yet there is no real penalty for the Sheriff? How is this justice?

[@wilneal8015]

😮In Bizzaro World, That IS Justice💔👌👍💫💨💩

[@SounderMom31]

I love the fact that they filed the lawsuit out of principle and didn’t ask for any money. To me, that makes this lawsuit even more significant.

[@Lou58Lou]

This is exactly why body cams are important. It holds everyone accountable.

[@jadesluv]

And some Police department officers don‘t wear them

[@BruceWest-gn1qm]

That's why cops hate cameras.

[@gailwatson4927]

Way to to! I am proud of that teenager for standing up for her rights.

[@JeromeDecker-t6r]

Congrats to the plaintiff... Now about the radio stickers: I'm 68 years old in Windsor. I rocked with all of them, and still do 😊🤘

[@westcocoagorilla380]

I find it amazing that in a case where the facts are not disputed and the case goes to a summary judgement that the court did not award at least attorney's fees.

[@Chris-xr2bt]

The irony of how some people reacted a certain way because they couldn't tell who may be infected, but when someone announces it to alert everyone that person is threatened with arrest.

[@davidtatum8682]

Good on her for fighting this in court. Too many times, things like this get swept under the rug. Gotta keep the man in check.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

We need "losing party pays", even for the gov't. At least for attorney fees.

[@BlankBrain]

@@jaysandt8491 I agree ethically, but how can they pay if they're in jail? There should be an easy path to garnishment in these situations. If they don't have an income, it should also be made easy to get a lien on any assets they have. I don't know what happens if they declare bankruptcy.

[@robertschreiber8099]

If it was me, I'd be After the deputy's badge, the Sheriffs badge, AND, the attorneys BAR.

[@byronwatkins2565]

I would have itemized time lost, court fees, and other such relief as the court deems appropriate.

[@cindland]

Certainly to get all their expenses covered! Hopefully they will sue him civilly.

[@johnree6106]

Nominal damage should cover any court or legal fee's if needed

[@johnree6106]

@@neilkurzman4907 actually yes you can, but ridiculous asking will probably not be approved and too much BS will probably just piss the judge off. But you can reasonably ask for lost time which is basically what it cost you in work hours missed which is calculated, court fees, lawyers fees, and emotional damages

[@johnree6106]

@@neilkurzman4907 You misunderstood what I said. You can say you want these as a result, but it doesn't mean that they have to give you what you want. The judge will look at what you requested for and decide what you deserve from what you requested usually. Which is why requesting ridiculous things should not be considered because you just may effect the judge to see you in a bad light. And yes you are right it's best to do it within what legitimate for the case which is what lawyers should recommend. But they can literally ask for anything it won't be granted and a lot of times it could cause the case to be dismissed as a waste of the courts time.

[@johnree6106]

@@neilkurzman4907 Understood. Funny enough the fact this case didn't really ask for much probably is a factor in making the judge decide that they won. Few people realize that even what they are asking for in damages is taken into account. And yes the OP probably is as you suggested.

[@timbracco1768]

The cops and the lawyer should have been made to state what they did. Then explain why its wrong. Lastly make a public apology. This also should be on all major news media for a week.

[@jaysdood]

"The 1st amendment is not a game setting" - Brilliant.

[@phobos258]

Once a liar, always a liar. The lawyer for the state didn't have any credibility with me to begin with but they definitely have zero now.

[@SkyPilot54]

Excellent Post , it's lawyers that are the principal problem, We are being ripped off

[@phobos258]

@@SkyPilot54 you can definitely tell how much distain Steve has for lawyers that bring bad light to the profession.

[@austinwilburn1772]

Man wtf. When i heard he said the police wanted her to take down some post I assumed it was something really edgy and was directly provoking the local authorities but no, they were just basic blog posts. The police interjected themselves in a matter that had literally nothing with them. I’m glad she won.

[@TC-qd1zw]

No one should be allowed to lie. Anyone that does, no matter whom should be prosecuted and if guilty be put in prison.

[@garereeve117]

The thing that has me shaking my head: while the cops should never have asked her to take down the post to begin with, she’d already agreed to take it down. All that cop had to do was be polite, remain courteous, and not threaten jail time over something where she was already in the process of complying. The police department should have at least been forced to pay the family’s legal fees. If an attorney represented them for free, he or she deserves to get compensated for this.

[@rhymeswithorange6092]

I didn't get from the video she had already agreed to take it down. My take away was that as soon as the cop showed up and made demands, she feared trouble, went inside, and took it down. I thought she just walked inside to do it, without saying anything, since it was after it was taken down that the cop made the threat. But maybe he did know, and was just in an intimidation groove or dick swinging. But even so, the cops showing up at your door demanding you do something carries an undeniable threat to you, even if not verbalized. Why send the cops if they aren't going to do cop things? Fully agree the judge should have ordered legal fees be reimbursed. The government had violated the constitutional rights of the family. No way the family (or a pro bono or working for a reduced rate lawyer) should have eaten that cost.

[@Elliandr]

Personally, were I in her position I would probably have gotten the impression that a threat was implied, but I agree with you. As long as the threat is only implied and not directly stated the officer would have had the ability to pretend that it was just a request. That said, the police department was stupid for doing this to begin with. That's what China did back in December 2019 which resulted in the whole pandemic going global to begin with. Any police officer that thinks that copying China is the best way to serve an American Community is probably not very intelligent. Even their motivation to intimidate this child is identical to the motivation of China in doing the same. The problem with all of this (aside from 1st Ammendment issues) is that by intimidating people into silence it keeps other people from knowing that they might have been exposed and it sends messages to others in similar situations to not inform others when they believe that they might have covid. This limits the number of people who would quarantine themselves which increases the number of infections and therefore increases the number of deaths. I wonder if anyone will sue that police department now claiming that a loved one died of covid who only died because someone they know didn't quarantine because someone else was afraid to tell people they might be infected because of this case. Even if you just get a group of people to say this is what I believed and this was the result it doesn't put the police department in a good position. They created a huge amount of liability for themselves that was at multiple levels unnecessary.

[@bruceboyer8187]

When an LEO says "going to jail" it means just that.

[@annasdad8008]

Any deputy, including those in command, involved in this needs to be fired and banned from ever holding ANY government job. The deputy making the arrest threat needs to go to prison and the attorney making the false statements needs to be disbarred. Until harsh measures are consistently taken against those in government who abuse their authority this type of behavior will continue.

[@barthennin6088]

So, Steve...I'm surprised you only briefly brushed over the fact that the district attorney said there was no threat of arrest...

[@MarkSarg]

In Australia, the cops get called to have remarks deleted from Facebook......it's crazy....and its on KZbin...

[@reggiebenes2916]

The fact that a police dept uses their time to monitor a random teenagers social media posts, and even go to the trouble of trying to get them to delete it, tells me maybe they aren't really that important to the community they are supposedly serving.

[@lisagrafton2529]

They were notified by the school, because other students were worried they may catch it. They said she was causing panic within the school. But she hadn't even been at school, so they were safe. It was early in the pandemic, and people didn't know what to think because the news was trying so hard to make the numbers look terrible for Trump. They counted any death that a person tested positive for covid-19 as a covid-19 death, even car accidents, murders, end of life patients, etc.

[@johnbailey9020]

It was my understanding that the girls school called the police. And apparently the police forgot what was in the Bill of Rights and Constitution, that they swore to uphold.

[@alanmcentee9457]

The school (Superintendent?) called the Sheriff's office to complain that the post was causing concern at the school. The girl was not in school at the time as we had just started the shutdown and she was still recuperating from her respiratory illness. Not excusing the Sheriff because they should have known better.

[@alanmcentee9457]

@@lisagrafton2529 No. There is no evidence other than a lot of Trumpturd fantasies that all deaths were considered covid. That though hasn't stopped you morons from spreading your BS. Trump didn't start the pandemic. But his actions sure the hell have propagated it. Trump is personally responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 Americans.

[@luisbaez8730]

You should report that lawyer

[@johnprodject3403]

About time law enforcement paid a price for casually threatening arrest. They *love* to use some variation of "-or somebody's going to jail"

[@falcorthewonderdog2758]

Now that the court ruled the sheriff violated her rights she needs to use that case as evidence and Sue the sheriff for cash damages.

[@chucksdesk]

Without some kind of damages, what gives this Sheriff's Dept incentive to NOT do this again?

[@dericksmith2137]

Nothing really. Except having the PRECEDENT in court established. Setting precedent makes every case after that much easier.

[@PaulyD0859]

Those playing the semantics game remind me of Bill Clinton saying " It depends on what your definition of 'is' is."

[@RayleighCriterion]

That was probably the only thing that Bill Clinton said that was the truth.

[@wishicouldspel]

So was Billy boy the cause or only the symptom? I say both.

[@TheHandyTek]

If public false statements were made that was made to disparage, a defamation suit must be filed...

[@richardross7219]

I'm glad that you are upset by a lying attorney. You always show high personal integrity. As a town engineer, I faced many developer's attorneys who would say anything to try to get me to approve non compliant plans and projects. Unfortunately, we have bad apples in all professions. I had a developer's attorney threaten to sue me for not approving fraudulent plans. So, I filed a complaint against his Professional Engineer(PE) with the PE Board. The entire subdivision project collapsed at that point. The PE was a friend that I had known since college but, I wasn't going to let an unsafe project be built in my town. Good Luck, Rick

[@finris1]

Well, it is possible that the attorney here just assumed that no cop would be this stupid and made the statement before looking at the evidence. Negligence rather than intentionally lying. Still bad, but it is preferable for the attorney if facing an ethics inquiry.

[@boataxe4605]

They need you in Florida!

[@richardross7219]

@@boataxe4605 I'm old and retired but I will not live in a place that has more snakes than Nam had. Besides that, I had good politicians that backed me. When they retired, the young politicians got rid of me to help the developers.

[@rebeccafreelin7515]

Who paid for the attorneys fees for the plaintiff? The police department needs to pay because they were in the wrong.

[@rickseconds7676]

Very sad, with all the available information and training out there, that Police are STILL overstepping their authority in enforcing laws.

[@loginregional]

One correction: 'enforcing' NON-existent or NON-applicable 'law' in cases of first amendment. "Disorderly conduct?" Not for a constitutionally protected activity.

[@ThePeachtree69]

“Greater good of the community” is an arbitrary standard based on interpretation and perception. That a school superintendent can call a sheriff and have them threaten someone outside of actual laws should scare the hell out of people and get this sheriff out of office, superintendent fired, and both jail. People that think this way have no business in our society. Also the good Sgt needs to be out of a job. Clearly he will follow orders to the bitter end of whatever human rights violation he’s ordered to do.

[@randym3351]

This is one of the most useful and interesting channels on KZbin. Thanks!

[@Sherrilynn27]

I am so glad to hear that the adults who were involved in the child's involvement, behaved so mature and responsible. This young lady has learned so many things from this encounter. How to be a mature adult, to stand up for what's right, respect for the laws for all and not least of all, not to be vengeful or greedy when 'winning'. Well done 👏 🥰

[@bobsaturday4273]

are you joking ? that goody goody lofty idealism is exactly what encourages the nazi police state goons into getting bolted every day .

[@user-1A-2A]

Are you fn serious 😖

[@samiches2008]

I honestly think I would have called their bluff, and if arrested, take them for everything they have. I could use a new Class A motorhome...

[@arthurminiear2904]

Any detention is a defacto arrest. The threat of "might have to start taking people to jail", is a threat of arrest.

[@janvanv]

The question is, as always, is why hasn't the cop(s) on the scene been arrested, indicted, convicted and jailed? And the attorney disbarred? And the people's legal costs automatically paid by the criminal police?

[@HappyHoboRecovery]

You know why... The emergency powers extended to the lowest Public Officials , during 'Rona, has made them all Power Drunk. And like any addict, they won't let go of that bottle.... Intervention is what's required now.

[@markharrisllb]

Nothing upsets Steve more than a lawyer going rogue.

[@todayoptions8755]

Cops need to protect and serve people like me instead of allowing me to go through a whole bunch of illegal shyt

[@mikeziegler7008]

Now, 17 months later, there is still a lot of confusion about testing!

[@railrodemike]

Fine example example of a quote from my father over 50 years after I informed him I was going to work for the Sheriff's dept. "Son, giving a badge and gun to some people like giving a fur coat to monkey. After a while they think they're King Kong. Don't be a Kong Kong".

[@jhill4874]

In a perfect world we expect that law enforcement protects our civil rights. In reality, law enforcement tends to be the biggest threat to our civil rights. And I've found that TV and movies uphold LEs need to violate our rights, an apparent attempt to numb us to our loss of rights.

[@youreperfectstudio4789]

I believe that crime shows (both true crime and stuff like law and order) are one of the biggest ills in society.

[@somethingelse4424]

It's called "copaganda". Law and Order is fairly tame compared with some of the newer police procedurals. I caught a few episodes of some show with Tom Selleck set in Chicago... and the message was basically that police are heroes when they use extrajudicial threats and violence against the public.

[@jhill4874]

@@somethingelse4424 The modern Hawaii-5-O extolls the virtues of violating people's rights. Danny even used to bring it up until he started employing illegal techniques for law enforcement.

[@somethingelse4424]

@@jhill4874 I forgot about the new Hawaii 5-0, that's definitely another one. I could understand if shows dealt with the blurred lines between civil rights and law enforcement as a dramatic way to explore and depict the reality of being a cop, but there should be some discernable takeaway about the negative consequences. It seems like the conclusion is always "It wasn't by the book, but it was the only way to nail these slippery scumbags". Rarely do they show them getting it completely wrong and needlessly violating the rights of or killing/injuring innocent people. So the takeaway for viewers is to tolerate police misconduct, gradually become LEO apologists, and bring their boot licking to the polls... and of course comment sections like this.

[@jhill4874]

@@somethingelse4424 I think the Tom Selleck program is called "Blue Bloods". I like Tom, but I've never watched the program.

[@Dpknox]

I would have gone to jail for my daughter and that sheriff's department wouldn't even be able to afford gasoline in the patrol cars when I got done with my lawsuit

[@monikaramirez8067]

The parents are her guardians, a threat to their freedom is a threat to the girl.

[@kendavis8046]

I watched your original video on this. Thank you for the update. It has metaphorically warmed the cockles of my first-amendment-supporting heart.

[@BrandilineMelt]

The school was wrong as well. It was the school that contacted the sherriff office demanding they take action against her. The schools often misuse law enforcement.

[@vankuipland]

As an outsider I find all this very disturbing, the fact that “law” enforcement can “ constantly “ behave in this manner and the taxpayer constantly has to foot the bill while the law enforcers “constantly and knowingly “ trample all over the people they are supposed to protect “ ET TU, BRUTE ? “

[@weswilde]

Love your shirt, from a USN Vet from Annapolis Md 🇺🇸

[@tommycollier9172]

I am so proud of this young lady and her parents for protecting our first amendment rights oh, it's obvious the Police Department not going to do it

[@MrPaige222]

I'm a little bit disappointed that they didn't ask for money. If they had an attorney, it might have gone in that direction.

[@lancer525]

Honey, wake up. It isn't the police's responsibility to "look out for our rights". If it were, then there would be no such thing as the court-mandated "Miranda Warning" that we all know. They have the absolute right to lie to us, to be deceitful and dishonest to get an arrest and conviction, and are only interested in one thing: _Filling up jails_ That is the only reason they exist. Next time you're in danger, call them and see if they don't tell you that there is "nothing they can do until a crime is committed." It is *your* responsibility to look out for your rights.

[@charmio]

@@lancer525 Umm... Are you saying that if someones about to be murdered, emergency services won't respond until after the murder because no crime had yet taken place?

[@timdowney6721]

@@lancer525 Unless the call is about a brown person in a white area. Then unfounded “suspicion” is good reason to at least harass, or worse, that person.

[@heroesandzeros7802]

Thank you for reaffirming why no one trusts lawyers, cops, deputies and judges. They may not break the law all the time, and they may do some good things for the communities, but it only takes one time of breaking the law or lying to lose our trust. Once you lose our trust, you are done. We already know that our officials eventually will lose our trust. If a cop pulls you over or stops you on a sidewalk, is that a good cop, a bad cop, or a real cop? You have no way of knowing if your life is in danger. In this era of lawyers, police and city officials getting caught breaking every law, and lying to us, no one is going to trust you.

[@danfenwick4923]

They should have sued the lawyer for making false statements for at least 10 million dollars and demanded he be disbarred forever in Wisconsin.

[@dennisberman4640]

Ben - This story just too good to focus heavily on finding you. There you are, behind the number 6 mug. Steve's left.

[@henryhatfield74]

Good Eye !

[@wakkywabbit5446]

Wow, you've added a few things to the bookshelves. My aunt says she doesn't "hoard," she "collects." 😱

[@ravengrey6874]

"How much will you settle for?" "$19 Million." "Well, let me just cut you a check..." "And a ham sandwich." "WE WILL FIGHT THIS TO THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND!"

[@mikegreene8461]

Cheque

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@mikegreene8461 go away, Commonwealth resident.

[@autonomouscollective2599]

I took a drink every time Steve said: No one was threatened with arrest. Ooooooh, I’m not feeling good…

[@somethingelse4424]

That game is liable to kill you. Maybe try one part Pedialyte to one part liquor, and eat a big supper before watching.

[@flyingriders631]

"Attorneys might be allowed to make false statements in Wisconsin." Ha ha, that's so funny!

[@Muggashyte]

OMG! I am dying from laughter induced, internal injuries here. Steve is masterful at making the point, without making any direct comment. “I’m not an attorney there, maybe they’re allowed to lie there… I don’t know.” Oh yeah, that attorney who lied, to the NBC affiliate… (I think Steve mentioned it briefly, in passing), I wonder if that attorney has considered clarifying their position? I also wonder if there is a State Bar Association with time on it’s hands? Perhaps a local NBC affiliate might look into that. Maybe they’re waiting for the child to go on a reckless jag of posting to TikTok, interpretive dances, depicting COVID being killed by vaccination… giving the Sheriff’s SWAT unit a chance for some tactical practice.

[@Knife66out]

But did they get the ham sandwich? Great representation of his oath from the judge. Wonderful quote as well.

[@zzruss]

Thank god for the judge in this case! The real issue in this case is the evolvement and interaction with the school district and law inforcement in this case.

[@gjohnston281]

The lawyer should be disbarred for for being a proven liar !!

[@temiousallen5022]

I've watched a lot of these And I'm proud of this family