Frmr Asst Prosecutor Says Bosses Signed Her Name w/o Her Permission

[@robertfoster636]

And Kim Gardner wonders why the Missouri AG wants her out of office.

[@jcclark2060]

The Missouri state AG is no angel either! Both are clowns.

[@samueledward5078]

She's terrible im glad im a county resident

[@robertsmalls3513]

Racism is the only she got elected

[@drh3b]

The Missouri AG is a piece of crap, but it looks like he's right about this one.

[@robgc1111]

for those of us here in the STL MO this behavior from Kim Gardner and her ilk is not shocking , it's the norm ...if this is true she should be removed from office, lose her law license and face criminal charges

[@TheGuruStud]

Ha! She's already committed multiple felonies. Nothing happened.

[@onlyicedcrybaby7297]

​@@The_Non-One liberals are insane people

[@ThatLadyInDallas2024]

😂 when donkeys fly!

[@mwduck]

@@The_Non-One The MO AG is currently doing his best to get her out of office. She is corrupt as hell.

[@climber950]

@@The_Non-One political pandering and playing the race card. She’s utterly useless and her policies have absolutely spiked crime, and created significantly more victims because of her personal politics.

[@ianbattles7290]

It's wild how these serious crimes can be proven and yet *nobody* spends a single minute behind bars.

[@itsapittie]

Yeah, absolutely nothing will happen to Gardner or her staff for this.

[@PureMagma]

I had a prosecutor drop charges against me and The Judge added the words "With Prejudice" at the end of the document when she signed the order granting the Motion to Dismiss, because she was that incensed on my behalf.

[@PrezVeto]

If only all judges were willing to take such initiative.

[@robert5]

@@PrezVeto Are you kidding, far to many do, just not in the good way you want. Don't wish for judges taking initiative... you might not like the results.

[@PrezVeto]

@@robert5 …take such initiative _within the law and judicial ethics_ . Few do. For example, most won't sanction the state even when they catch it pulling shenanigans.

[@albertstephen2426]

She had the authority to do so.

[@nelskrogh3238]

In the military it is quite common to sign a document for a superior (with their permission) but the signature is always noted as "for" the typed name with the signature of the underling.

[@PrezVeto]

That's the proper way to do it

[@protocol6]

Isn't it also generally a felony in most states to forge a signature on official documents? Including digital signatures. Looks like it is a class D felony under Missouri's 570.090

[@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin]

The legal principle that applies here is: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. It's a common, if unwritten, staple across all legal systems and roughly translates to: Gods may do what cattle may not.

[@robertsteinbach7325]

@@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin That Latin quote should make that my new signature.

[@TheGuruStud]

She's above the law. Gardner has committed so many crimes and is still not in prison. Forget being disbarred. How does one get away with it, you ask? Let criminals run free. That's it. You can do anything you want as long as you support the agenda.

[@JohnDoe-qz1ql]

Prosecutors have immunity. This shouldn't be if prosecutors' actions are criminal, malicious.

[@JohnDoe-qz1ql]

Prosecutors have immunity. This shouldn't be if prosecutors' actions are criminal, malicious.

[@pchewn]

"you can pull up your own copy and follow along" I was almost rolling on the floor.

[@guardrailbiter]

"...almost rolling..." So, just sitting comfortably.

[@suzannehartmann946]

My ex opened a credit card using my electronic signature and social without telling me. I cancelled the card once I found out. I reported the fraud to the credit bureau and the feds. If it happens again I will report it to the local Sheriff department and face our children's wrath. Sadly they will likely take his side even though it is identity theft on his part.

[@katiekane5247]

Were we married to the same guy? Have the same kids?

[@alekorgruene313]

A corrupt DA office in St. Louis, imagine my shock.

[@papayuki3590]

ikr

[@ostlandr]

@@tarstarkusz New York is totally going that way. All the work Giuliani and Bloomberg did to clean up NYC is being torn down, and it's going back to the war zone it was in the bad old days of the '70s.

[@CraigGrant-sh3in]

@@tarstarkusz Read up on what has been going on in West Virginia. All of the states supreme court judges were dismissed. The heads of the state police fired. A bunch of lower court judges dismissed. State game warden going to NC and two deer mounts he claimed were poached in WV. One was taken legally from there the other was a legal buck from NC. No warrant . Reason? People from that county were PO that someone from out of state took a trophy buck from their county. A man was sleeping on his coach at 5Am. State SWAT team busted into the home and shot him multiple times on the couch . They say he came after them with a hammer . The cushions on the couch are soaked in blood and there's also a pool of blood under the couch. They were after his uncle . They didn't have a no knock warrant and it wasn't for a violent crime. State police in WV don't wear cameras but, the command does. Figure that one out. The corruption is endless . Steve did a story on the family court judge who broke into a house and search it illegally

[@GeorgieB1965]

​@@tarstarkusz only if they take money from a certain billionaire.

[@mwduck]

@@tarstarkusz Look at Chicago.

[@missinglink7709]

That DA is a real piece of work.

[@iHuntBearsWithMyFist]

That is subtly very good advice "when you see someone doing something odd, ask yourself why would they be doing that"

[@clbcl5]

Many,many many years ago on a mortgage closing day, I was told to sign my name so it could be read. My signature is of a doctors quality, illegible. I then told them if you could read it, it's not mine, followed by blank stares. They were all illegible.

[@The-Singularity-X01]

Good way to protect against forgery! Just make your handwriting shit on purpose!

[@deusvult6920]

I have over 20 letters in my name. I stopped signing it legibly after about the 3rd of 40 forms I had to sign in processing into the Army

[@ummacnai]

I have a bad habit of signing my full name and at least making an effort at every letter. I'm a lawyer, and the default 'second signature' in my office. I've probably lost several weeks of my life choosing to sign my full name.

[@CraigGrant-sh3in]

My signature in non readable. It's like Dina Shores (for you older people.) When I was married we have our taxes done. My wife would bring them home to sign. Her " Write it so they can read it" Me "Then that's not my signature "

[@P_RO_]

This here too. Hardest siggy to forge.

[@FatManWalking18]

"you can pull out your own copy and follow along" - you sir win the Internet

[@TheScapegoat420]

"When people start to do strange things you have to take a look at it." Best advice! Anytime someone starts to behave differently/out of character.

[@ghostshadow9046]

In USMC we had rubber stamp with officers signature, it was frequently used.

[@ericbainter826]

But you (presumably) had permission to use the stamp. Kim Gardner has been a hot mess for St Louis.

[@dibbuk5730]

An excellent example of the flaws in electronic signatures.

[@brendonwood7595]

sure, because no one ever forged a signature with a pen....

[@jmdelapp]

I caught my boss using my signature without my permission once. I am a licensed Professional Engineer and the documents were related to safety systems for an industrial plant that handled hazardous materials. I ended up being fired because I make a big stink about it. Lesson learned, you need to be a team player when your engineering company is engaging in fraud.

[@Hatbox948]

Wow, but sadly true.

[@ateamfan42]

Sucks they fired you, but in the long run you are better off not be associated with an organization that will engage in fraud. When they do something that gets people killed, you want your name as far away from that mess as possible.

[@jmdelapp]

@@mvpfocus I considered a lawsuit and decided to just move on.

[@SeanBZA]

@@jmdelapp Hopefully you also reported them to the appropriate authorities that the signature on the documents was not yours.

[@jmdelapp]

​@@SeanBZA No. The appropriate authorities would not take action on such a case. Search for: "Raul Parra is serving time in a South Dakota federal prison for his role in the Metro Court corruption case, but he’s still a licensed engineer in New Mexico." For an example of how the "appropriate authorities" handle fraud cases here in New Mexico.

[@Lee-bh9bf]

Dad worked and mother didn't but she managed all the money. She always endorsed his paycheck and took it to the bank for deposit. One day, dad had time on his hands I guess and went into the bank to deposit his check and they wouldn't accept it because they "knew" what his signature looked like!

[@richardw3470]

I took my stepfather's pension or SS check to the drive up; he had signed it and wanted it deposited into his checking account. Uh, nope, he had to be there. After that go round, he asked me if he could have it automatically deposited - which I had tried to get him to do years before. Can't win. Your dad was lucky he wasn't charged with theft and forgery.

[@Skarry]

​@@richardw3470 that's a bad teller. Although, pops should have you as a signer on their account.

[@Skarry]

Wrap up hand. Blame busted hand. Show id. Also, it shouldn't matter if it's going into the same account as always. Especially with id.

[@bigbubba4314]

I worked with a girl when I was in HS. She was a couple years ahead of me. She told me she forged her parents name on all school documents throughout HS, until the last semester, when she submitted something with her mother’s signature on it. She was called to the office and accused of forging her mother’s signature on that last document.

[@drooplug]

That's hilarious. I hope she applied and then signed the correct signature in front of the person. 😄

[@coreysue3451]

lol I signed everything for my brothers and myself all through jr. high and high school. Never had a problem. Even signed a form for my bro in front of staff and they were cool with it. Signed checks for food at the store, deposits at the bank, clothes, whatever. He left the house at 5am and got home around ten, and mom had left us.

[@joshentheosparks7492]

In high school I got my mother to sign a document saying I could sign school documents on her behalf. Easiest way to skip class? Use the front door and a pen.

[@troystallard6895]

My mother always signed my dad's paychecks and deposited them. One day he got off early, decided to swing by the bank to deposit his check himself, and they refused it because his signature didn't match.

[@Avendesora]

@@troystallard6895 I had to fight my bank to reverse an overdraft fee when they cashed a check to my account signed with an entirely different name after my checkbook was stolen lol

[@kaythegardener]

When I tried to have my mother sign a notarized document in the hospital, she was too weak to sign without aid, so the notary refused. In old genealogical documents from French Canada & France, the last lines are "read to the [parties], since they didn't know how to sign [their name]. If I have to sign for a friend to pick up medicines, I sign as "my name for their name", so it is apparent who picked up the prescription.

[@colinprice712]

Try the phrase “pro per” (2 words in Latin) means “on behalf of”… sign your name, p.p. Your friend

[@connecticutaggie]

I wonder if she is doing this to distance her from documents/filings that have her name on it that could become politically hostile.

[@Psi105]

If you suspect someone is signing documents with your name and for whatever reason you can't stop it and can't quit. Then start doing something to all docs you sign that they don't know about. This makes it trackable which docs you signed vs them. Like you could add a special char somewhere or add a space into header/footer etc.. just something to tag the docs so if your in court later you can prove with some certainly what docs you signed vs didn't. PDF sigs require password but you could always sign them around 00 seconds on the minute, since they have a timestamp

[@sarowie]

you can not prove that you did not sign a document. You could with intention or by accident leave out your own watermark.

[@jameshuntington8644]

@@sarowie yes but with the way burden of proof is normally handled it is still a wise step as it would make it much more difficult to prove you did sign something if it lacks a watermark or special piece that you can show you have standardied in your signature.

[@almostfm]

When you said we could pull out our own copy of the Michigan rules, I really thought you were going to add "in case you're scoring at home".

[@ixitar]

These documents that are electronically signed should send an email to the person who supposedly signed the document. That way the person can then dispute it right away. There should be a link to dispute the signature.

[@edwardwright8127]

My best signature story. Back in the 1980’s, Jerry Pournelle was recommending me for an editor’s job, and he asked Robert Heinlein to recommend me as well. Which he agreed to, sight unseen. So, we were all at a convention. Jerry decided that since Heinlein was going to recommend me, I should at least meet him. So, we found him next to a dealer’s table, Jerry introduced us, then rushed off to do something else. A few minutes later, a young man came up to us looking for an autograph. I assumed he wanted Heinlein’s, but oddly enough, for some reason, he wanted mine. He must have figured that since I was talking to Robert Heinlein, I must be someone important. I told him that we were talking business and didn’t want to be disturbed. He went away but returned a few minutes later and again asked for my autograph. Again, I told him we did not wish to be disturbed. When he came back the third time, I just took the book from him, signed it, and handed it back without thinking. He went away happy. It wasn’t until a few minutes later that it dawned on me. That wasn’t my book. To this day, I have no idea what it was I signed.

[@everythingpony]

Lol bruh

[@Relkond]

I’ve always been skeptical of electronic signatures - it doesn’t take acing the master class in forgery to type someone’s name.

[@volvo09]

I was just thinking of that while doing taxes... It's easy to scrutinize a signature, but typing letters?

[@Davidsavage8008]

They have to be authorised first. It's all pretty much evil no matter how you break it down.

[@christopherg2347]

Wow, you really think _that_ is all you have to do for a forgery of a digital signature? What a luck _you_ aren't allowed anywhere near the design of something that important.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

@@fakjbf3129 Yep. We use them every day. Quite easy to authenticate.

[@Relkond]

@@christopherg2347 there is a difference between creating a document that will pass casual inspection, and a document that will pass close scrutiny. For electronic documents, to pass casual inspection all that’s needed is to spell the name more or less correctly. The meta-data is all hidden, and often all you need is for the document to pass casual inspection. To pass closer scrutiny you may need to use their login, from their computer. If all you need is to sign the document as the other party, from their computer, as their user, when they’re near it - that’s not actually a big ask in a work setting. You may have issued them the computer, their login and even installed the remote access software for legitimate support reasons.

[@andybonneau9209]

Gardiner is a bad apple.

[@marlock6573]

So are her political opponents in the PD and the prosecutors that she fired. Most of the accusations against her are stuff that the old guard was doing before she got elected.

[@davidtaylor4053]

Her and Jones and Bush are destroying the city.

[@y_strikes2770]

"you can pull out your own copy and follow along" Steve you naughty naughty you know I don't have my own copy

[@gregstiles]

The more lawyery the video's on this channel, the more I love them. Story's of Steve's contentious and slightly vindictive cases are the tip top. I want to invent a new weird condition, "addicted to justice".

[@guardrailbiter]

"Addicted to Justice" is not a problem the United States has ever had.

[@marxmaiale9981]

Had issues in the past when management would make people sign blank timesheets. At some point in the future, some person auditing the records had a fit that I didn't have any signed timesheets. I told them I don't sign blank documents then got in trouble for not signing a blank to be photocopied. Quit shortly thereafter.

[@charmaintrout174]

Sometimes, the little quotes at the end are my favourite part. Lol This one in particular. I totally agree and encourage everyone to try it. Even if the first one was great, have another great one. It's fabulous.

[@kendavis8046]

This is only tangentially related, but your reading of the definition of a "signature" makes me wonder how companies providing various products and services get by with the simple pressing of the "Yes/I Accept" button.

[@MattHudsonAtx]

clickwrap agreements have been litigated a long time ago

[@sarowie]

contracts can be formed in various ways. Handing over metal discs while pointing at a good that is labeled for sale forms a contract without signature.

[@johnrussell3869]

Steve is this like the Robo signings like the mortgage crisis where they were so busy it was just done?

[@Captain-Cosmo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but since an attorney is an officer of the court, an attorneys signature on a court document should be an attestation to the court that the attorney has read the document and *believes* it to be true. EDIT: I use the word "attestation" here referring to ETHICS here, not law. That is, as an officer of the court in the jurisdiction where they are licensed to practice, an attorney's duty of candor to the court would suggest that their *alleged* signature would serve as an attestation to the court that they had read and understood the document under Rule 3.3. Conversely, if he/she did not sign something, as in the present case, the court would still accept their signature as true until told otherwise. If this is so, and if the attorney found out that their signature was thusly used, would not they also have the duty to notify the court under the same ethical standard of candor to the court?

[@Captain-Cosmo]

@@mvpfocus Don't be a rude. I did watch the video, and my remark was questioning what Steve did not address, specifically how an attorney's role as an officer of the court factored ethically. What the fuck is the matter with you?

[@davidkalger]

I had the same ?/thought, but I don't think I could ask it in a better way so ... I second this notion

[@michaelburgus200]

​@mvpfocus Actually, he didn't. He recapped what was already stated and placed a modifier at the end, which is his actual question. The actual question is, does this lawyer or a lawyer in a similar position have a duty to the court to notify them of the forged signature once they realize it is forged as it is an assumed the court would accept the signature as valid unless told otherwise. Back Edit

[@halfnelson6115]

Bizarre? The woman refuses to prosecute violent felonies every damn day.

[@davidtaylor4053]

She treats victims like criminals.

[@colt4667]

The blacks in North St. Louis will vote for her anyway. They think Bailey's effort to oust her is racism.

[@DigitalMoose]

I’ve seen people sign “Mickey Mouse” on an official document in a messy script and never called out for it. Mickey would be disappointed ☹️

[@katiekane5247]

My ex signed "Fred Flintstone" when getting his property back after being arrested. Fred would have been a better husband TBH

[@pbourd]

You’ve got some ‘splaining to do Lucy!😂

[@rcv9988]

Cmon folks don't be cowards...you should all know by now after the past 4 years or so why that particular office is doing this. The DA has made it clear she will do everything possible to circumvent laws for specific demographics.

[@boikatsapiens499]

Ben behind the marathon ribbons.

[@kencar8961]

Ben not facing us today. Under the Milo sigh.

[@kencar8961]

Ok. Fat fingers ... sign was the intended word. Lol

[@rogerszmodis]

@@kencar8961 you can edit comments

[@greggweber9967]

"You just forgot that you asked me to sign it."

[@abraarquraishi1681]

How would this affect the cases that were dismissed, if it were true that it was signed without her permission?

[@christopherg2347]

They might get a new trial - and the DA office has to pay "reasonable expenses" for this retrial.

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

Probly couldn't be refilled unless it was a defense lawyer that did it ..since it's a prosecutor that done it then double jeopardy attaches ...whoever signed could be criminally charged tho ....not the people charged fault government agents are corrupt

[@BozesanVlad]

criminals were left free, it may intervene statute of limitations, and victims can suck a dick, justice people are a joke

[@deusvult6920]

As long as however the dismissal was doesn't violate double jeopardy they can probably re-file charges if it's within the statute of limitations

[@imbalancedstatus8824]

It's is q factory process.... rubber stamping process

[@pandachickenmama]

In Kansas City, MO I had the Legal Aid office do this many years previous. The lawyer that represented me didn't have her signature on my documents, it was the stamped imprint of her supervisor. It came up several years later when she was now acting as a judge. I was able to get her removed from the case. She and the opposing side were so upset but it ended up good for my side.

[@Unsensitive]

How do they not require digitally approved electronic signatures .... I'm no lawyer, but I have one of those for the 2 or 3 times a year I have to sign electronic documents for work ....

[@Dr.M.VincentCurley]

This is a problem in the hospitals as well

[@imbalancedstatus8824]

It's a problem across America in what has become factory prcess

[@jonathanj8303]

And elsewhere. I've had a report issued over my name that I not only didn't write, it related to a (dubious) technical assessment that was carried out before I was even employed by the company. I used HR to kill that one.

[@Dr.M.VincentCurley]

@@jonathanj8303 I'm questioning whether you even wrote the above!

[@jonathanj8303]

@@Dr.M.VincentCurley Deny everything, Baldrick.

[@bobmorgan1575]

Do they not require a unique PIN or other identifier that would preclude someone from doing that? Seems like a major security issue to me.

[@wickedbird1538]

😮😮Seems like she knew this has been going on for a while. So why is she speaking out NOW.

[@Megabean]

This has been a small fear of mine for a while. That's why I use the actual digital signature option in acrobat. It's cryptographically signed, so if someone tries to falsey digitally sign my name I have some evidence that it wasn't me.Especially since I exclusively use it for all my E-signed documents.

[@timpaszkiewicz7169]

I was born and raised in St. Louis. Never had half the problems they do now. Thank God I moved out.

[@fleebee3639]

It probably keeps the higher ups conviction rate higher because cases that get dismissed go with somebody else's signature

[@cheeto4493]

2 things I won't do. Sign someone else's name and share my passwords...

[@clementthurn1992]

Kudos to you !!!! Same for me.

[@fishgutz4272]

That is a felony. Forgery. All those cases must be reviewed and prosecuted.

[@leevann5592]

Pretty bold claims being made there. They better have the receipts to back it up.

[@AlanTheBeast100]

My boss often told me to forge his signature to authorization docs when he was away. Nothing like a nearby window to use as a light table.

[@tygerion4404]

I'm fairly sure that wouldn't actually count as being a crime- or a forgery, for that matter. If he told you to sign his own name, that means that he directly gave you permission to authorize things in his name. A signature is intended to act as a sign of authorization. Giving your 'stamp of approval', so to speak. at 6:15, Steve addresses that a signature written by someone else can be considered a signature, if it's done with the person's permission, and at their direction. Since your boss told you to, that is giving his direction, which also implies his permission to do so. If he told you to sign for him in his absence, giving you authorization and direction, then that should count as a valid signature, thus making it not a forgery.

[@NoSpam1891]

Bad idea. Better to sign per pro. Can't be prosecuted for that.

[@AlanTheBeast100]

@@tygerion4404 I believe the more appropriate way is to sign my own sig, name and title and "verbal per S. Roman, VP-ENG." But it makes the doc a little busy looking and raises questions. The act of using the window as a light table to make a facsimile of his signature is in fact a forgery. But as it was fully confessed to the Prez/CEO, it went. (And full disclosure, this sort of thing happened a lot on internal approval docs; but never on submitted government docs).

[@jasonpatterson8091]

My guess: The head of the prosecutor's office has political aspirations and wants a really high conviction rate. They're filing dismissals, etc in other attorneys' names so that they get credit for the "loss."

[@DeerRunner]

Well it has to be something either deep in corruption or incompetence. Because having that as a general practice would eventually cause a wave of thrown out cases and loss of credibility leading to a tsunami.

[@benx6264]

Isn't this forgery? Which on a court filing or other legal document would probably be a felony.

[@davidturk6170]

I have been in the chain of submissions to be processed, such as invoices and change orders on projects. These were not in my sphere of influence (had no say in what occurred), however I was the only one at this level of signature which was required to be processed. The person who was responsible, a senior VP, wouldn’t sign it (for whatever reason). I checked with legal and was advised to sign it with the stipulation (on the same line), “signature is for corporate policy, and is not an authorization or concurrence as to the action”. Surprisingly (actually it wasn’t), the signature was never challenged not some of the dubious invoices and change orders that came through.

[@yumatom]

It’s crazy to think there is no non-repudiation capability with legal filings

[@keithrosenberg5486]

I expect that this will be very easy to prove by finding that some signature was done when the person was not in a position to sign the document.

[@LokiCDK]

There is potential in data forensics to determine the original terminal. Digital signing: in computer security success the 80s had involved using your personal public/private key pair to encrypt usually your name, date and time of creation at the end of the document text. If I process using my private key (never to be shared) then only my public key (usually filed in a public database, in business cards, and personal websites.) Thus verifying and validating that I did sign and process this document.

[@conscientiousobserver8772]

A short-sighted consequence of foregoing teaching cursive is that several institutions still ask for signature as well as "printed" name. I would imagine electronic signatures have yet to be fully vetted as well.

[@dadgarage7966]

Surprised something like this would happen in the Show Me state.

[@shocktrp66]

They're committing perjury, defrauding the court, and running an ongoing criminal enterprise out of the DA's office. They should be held in both civil & criminal contempt...

[@DARKSEID007]

I bet if it was a judge's signature, they would lose their minds... 😂

[@JesseJM85]

Electronic signatures shouldn't even be allowed, the whole point of a signature was to be able to pinpoint that signature to the individual because each person has a specific where they signed things. Anything of that importance should be hand-signed no ifs ands or buts.

[@Donnie_G_TheBigGuy]

In illinois staffers vote for politicians not present or even in Springfield. Busted caught red finger.

[@jerryshelton1481]

If this is true everyone who signed those documents without the persons permission should automatically be disbarred and criminal charges be filed for forging government and court documents

[@Captain-Cosmo]

Aside from the "automatically" part, I am tempted to agree. Forgery has civil and criminal implications for an ordinary person, and ethical implications for attorneys. Steve used the term "fraud upon the court" (if you blinked, you might have missed it!). The attorney who submitted the forged document has essentially corrupted the judicial process, and done so in violation of their oath as an attorney to be honest to the court, as well as in violation of criminal law. As officers of the court, attorneys hold a position of special trust with the court. Thus, when they deceive the court, they should be held to a higher standard of accountability, not a lesser one. To your argument (and in support of it), if an attorney forges a document and is not prosecuted, who should be? And if they violate their oath of ethics and are held accountable, what is the purpose of their oaths of conduct?

[@georgesheffield1580]

This is why having a distinct "AUTOGRAPH "

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

It was a electronic signature I think also ...the court isn't checking to see if signatures match without being prompted so yah it be easy to prove in the end if it's WAY off but wouldn't stop it from happening

[@RickSmith-c1g]

I would be disbarred for that. I suspect they will get in less trouble than they would for not paying for lunch in the cafeteria.

[@buzzbbird]

What about criminal forgery charges?

[@writerinfact1768]

If someone "signs" someone else's name, it is forgery. Isn't it? I can also see charges of (I can never remember which is which) libel or slander. Whichever is on paper, not vocal.

[@chrissinclair4442]

And now, the vacating of convictions...

[@achgreentree]

hello from st Louis county [not the same as st Louis city its own county] looks like lawyers need to keep a log book of their filing signatures. like a notary.

[@galadrhim1]

You may not remember that Kim Fox was the prosecutor who went after that couple who brandished weapons on their own property when a mob stormed their private neighborhood - the entire neighborhood, including streets, being gated and private with no public property anywhere.

[@NoSpam1891]

It's still assault with a deadly weapon.

[@johnsee7269]

​@@NoSpam1891 No assault occurred or that's my understanding. I don't think it's an inchoate offense either as it's generally legal to use force in self defense.

[@galadrhim1]

@@NoSpam1891 No it wasn't. It fit into Missouri's Castle Doctrine.

[@CraigGrant-sh3in]

@@johnsee7269 Pointing a gun at someone is assault. Pointing your finger in someone's face is assault. What were they defending? Self defense is when you are under attack. People walking in the street is not an attack.

[@CraigGrant-sh3in]

What was the threat? A mob didn't "storm" their neighborhood. They walked on a private street . That's just trespassing . I didn't go running out with a gun when the MAGA truckers marched by my house

[@pamelawarren5405]

Some legal departments require power of attorneys to be left to grant consent to sign documents on my matters in carriage.

[@tattootempest]

I’m pretty sure if I file documents to the court and put in attorneys information on there as a signature, I’d be charged with forgery, or falsifying documents, or maybe even identity theft. It sounds like it’s illegal. So the people who are doing it need to be disbarred and charged.

[@campkohler9131]

If a charge Is dropped by a fraudulent filing, does that me it was never dropped? And if so, will some time expire because the clock never stopped running?

[@RigepFroggit]

They can absolutely track that back if they actually want to not even difficult.

[@boomknight1015]

Well, it's a crime to sign for someone who didn't agree to sign. So only having your license taken away is getting off scot free

[@erikstrawn3885]

In the military, a digital signature is not valid unless it includes the signer's digital certificate, which requires their ID card and PIN. I got the state of Oklahoma to accept our digital signatures on our military tag affidavits (military gets discounted tags in OK). The stupid tag agency wouldn't accept it and required me to put a wet signature over a printed copy with the digital signature. As if a scribble is "more secure"?

[@kempedkemp]

A very serious issue that could very well be the error of a secretary.

[@TheArmchairrocker]

Sounds like some people need to be disbarred.

[@viscountalpha]

When people are no longer being held accountable? Beware. That means the system is failing.

[@samueledward5078]

Oh snap Steve is talking about my city 😂

[@albertstephen2426]

If that is true there should be sanctions.

[@stillraven9415]

Another fine example of our injustice system at work.

[@thomasheerjr9268]

In the navy we had a procedure for this kind of thing. It happened alot where you had to sign for someone else with their knowledge and consent. You'd write For: (sign their name) By: (sign your name). Clerks did it for the captain all the time since it was part of their job to file his paperwork. And I signed as my department head every now and then in logs for various reasons, always after getting permission. But it let us track if it was signed by someone else to keep n the record straight, and you had better be ready to explain why you signed.

[@johnmcclain3887]

That is simply fraud, and should be prosecuted to the greatest extent possible under the law. There is zero excuse for this kind of activity. Those "executive actors" must be prosecuted and jailed. Somehow, a host of people who get in public office as "administrators" seem to feel they get to do anything they want, as if there are no laws. That person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[@P_RO_]

But with people like them administering the law, such justice will not happen within the legal framework of the law. Therefore if justice is to happen it must happen outside of the framework of the law.

[@gmoffat70]

This is exactly why nothing should ever be signed electronically

[@marcocanb]

When I signed a contract recently agreeing to pay over 100K$ for goods for my government I had to insert a chip card and provide a password stored only on the card to prove it was me before it would electronically sign it, that system is over 10 years old on the software side. It's not that hard to find a system like this.

[@JN-ou9ws]

Hi, Steve how many people have been using my name?

[@jeremydale4548]

"What right did they have." None, they should have NO right to do that whatsoever.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

What kind of system are they using that other attorneys even have access to others E signatures? Not to go too far into my job but part of it is submitting decisions to the Federal Register & in any given year I may submit about 200 give or take. Each time I have to add my digital signature & enter a code that only I know so there’s no way that I could ever use someone else’s signature nor could they use mine. If it’s that easy to use anyone’s signature then how can you trust anything that comes out of that office.

[@brettlawton9513]

@7:27 Steve 😂😂 You can pull out your own copy & follow along 😂😂😂💯‼️

[@bikkiikun]

Doesn't that count as Forgery and/or Identity Theft?

[@Citadel97501]

I am pretty sure that would be a crime, as its basically perjury and falsifying records?

[@chrism4008]

This seems terribly convenient. This seems like shes trying to get ahead of some serious accusations

[@blackhorsecavalry]

Wouldn't that be a felony?

[@fleebee3639]

So basically none of those Dismissals have truly been dismissed. Anytime the government wants to they can bring the case backup.

[@Captain-Cosmo]

I was wondering about that. I could be wrong, but it was my impression that when a case is NPed, prosecutors only have a limited amount of time to revive the charge. What are the implications, however, if the NP was never a valid court document in the first place?