Tesla Kicked out of Michigan - Ep. 7.157

[@hotz8589]

Wow, the "Big Three" can assemble cars out of the country, but cars assembled in the US can't be sold in Michigan.

[@oldmech619]

If someone doesn’t understand The Big Three, then they are on the wrong channel

[@imlistening1137]

Exactly!

[@BorninVirginia]

@Javier Solis Chrysler

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

At least there elections have no wide spread voter fraud.

[@jerryarcher6916]

That’s bullshit...

[@wdwerker]

The people who were lobbying against electric streetlights were in the gaslight company’s pocket !

[@ronwade5433]

Hence the term, Gas lighting.

[@seanclark8452]

Or lamp lighters

[@preiter20]

Big Gas Lamp?

[@ohanailo7743]

Great observations, please keep it up. I enjoyed your comment, LOL!!!

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@preiter20 Big Coal Gas

[@dr.noisewater6291]

Detroit Auto Dealers Association is one of the most powerful, well funded lobbies in the state. Their anti-competitive practices make me sick.

[@stevelehto]

DADA!

[@jeromemckenna7102]

@@stevelehto I little but of Dada and a little bit of Kafka.

[@pablorages1241]

.... not anti-competitive ... pro-consumer

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

based on the share prices of tesla, it seems there is legislation coming thats going to make veichile ownership a thing of the past, they want you in a rental, or share tesla, or other electric vehicle that they can control your travel

[@chadpedigo5063]

@@UNcommonSenseAUS by 2030 they want you renting everything it's the globalist goal to have you own nothing they will rent you everything you need and you will be happier LOL ,look it up I'm not making this shit up. All countries become one big CHINA where they use you as a raw material to make them richer but you can't actually own anything. Sounds like slavery to me.

[@jacobw446]

I am not a Tesla Fan.. but I am a fan of competition. It keeps prices down.

[@dcast777]

I'm not a fan of Tesla either, but Michigan and their law makers are a joke.

[@OnlyKaerius]

@@dcast777 *Corrupt.

[@jwenting]

and tends to increase quality and service levels as well.

[@dieselscience]

I live in North Dakota and Tesla will NEVER have enough range for me to cover long distances in good time. BUT, I like that Tesla is more "American made" than the big three are nowadays. Plus, competition is GREAT for the marketplace.

[@OnlyKaerius]

@@dieselscience Don't say never. The next battery technology looks like it'll triple capacity/range. The technology already exists, but in early stages, figuring out large scale production is what's going to take some time.

[@mikemojc]

Well, if they dont want the sales tax associated with a Tesla vehicle sale, I'm sure the neighboring states would be happy to accept that revenue.

[@JasonW.]

I'm sure Michigan will apply that tax at registration.

[@brianking768]

Texas, which similarly prohibits sales by Tesla (sorta), collects a use tax on new Tesla’s at registration. You also have to get the brand new car inspected. But you can still by a Tesla in Texas. You technically buy it from out of state and you pick up your car at a delivery point in Texas. It’s silly and doesn’t create any real impediment to buying one. It’s like trying to stop the tide.

[@robertlee9395]

The State won't get a sales tax on an out of State purchase, when you register it you will pay an equivalent Use Tax. You cannot circumvent the Government's greed.

[@compu85]

@@rwdplz1 ya, and every year! And based on the original MSRP, not the actual value of the car.

[@SmokiesDen]

They should go ahead and register it in Montana. if it's good enough for the rich elite fucks and their Lamborghinis it's good enough for us right.

[@FlatFifties]

""We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

[@playgroundofsound7683]

@@jamesplotkin4674 sounds like treason to me

[@supersaiyaman11589]

yah that was the dumest line i have ever heard. how bout knowing what you are voting on beforhand.im sure they know how to read bills don't they

[@kmagnussen1052]

@@jamesplotkin4674 She is just copying Mitchell McConnell

[@davidhanlin5056]

Has she figured out what was in the bill yet?

[@MichaelGreen831]

There was a similar problem in Texas. Tesla only sold online because Texas had the same protections for dealers.

[@munzerabdulhamid]

Had? Can you tell me what happened?

[@MichaelGreen831]

@@munzerabdulhamid I’ve been out of the state for a few years. I didn’t want to presume.

[@SolGuy42]

Texas still protecting stealerships.

[@munzerabdulhamid]

@@MichaelGreen831 ok

[@obelisktoucher4562]

It was a small hassle in 2014, but Tesla had workaround that smoothed out the purchase. We received a temporary CA tag so we could drive it around, then went to the county clerk to get it registered and get the plates. The big difference between what Texas allows and Michigan is that Texas doesn’t restrict service locations - most of the larger cities have one or two. Hopefully they’ll still be able to provide their mobile service here in MI - but for larger work, the closest location will be 4 hours away in Toledo. Maybe they’ll open up a service location in Sault Ste. Marie, ON - it’d be closer...

[@jamessickmore236]

Perfect example of what is called the Swamp.

[@DogsBAwesome]

At least it's not rampant nepotism like the loser goes for.

[@itrthho]

Like your photo

[@d.m.murray7710]

& as has been Proven in the 2020 Election 🗳 ...MICH. is NO exception to Deep State, Swamp Rats 🐀 & Crooked / Fraudulent Politicians 🙁 RAMPANT is an Understatement!

[@kmagnussen1052]

Exactly! Four years not much change in the water level!

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

@@kmagnussen1052 The water got more putrid and foul though

[@dieselscience]

"You're not on the list." "I didn't tell you my name...." "You're still not on the list."

[@DaveBeddows]

I miss the good old days when you could pick up a Sears catalogue, flip through the pages, punch a few buttons on the phone, and few weeks later it would be delivered to your door.

[@GreenJeep1998]

Not like you can't grab your phone, log into Amazon and look up what you want, buy it and it may be there within 3 says!

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@GreenJeep1998 Sears is a better company. Amazon is anti American

[@portlyoldman]

@@NikoBellaKhouf - what by actually BEING AMERICAN??

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@portlyoldman Amazon is leading the destruction of America. Amazon is destroying all the businesses, brick and mortar, mom and pop, trucking companies, and more. The only reason why Amazon was able to grow so big is because of government corruption. Amazon got a sweetheart deal with the postal service to have their packages delivered at a loss of about $1.12 per package. What's American about anti-competitive monopolies?

[@portlyoldman]

@@NikoBellaKhouf - progress mate, progress. Just test your statement against every new thing ever introduced. If markets and their fulfilment don’t progress nothing does. You can go to any point in history, replace a few words in your argument with those pertinent at the time and you’ll see something you take for granted now disappear. It’s not possible to legislate away new ways of doing things. Adapt or die, it’s the way the world works. ESPECIALLY the American way.

[@Appolo-s2e]

My friend in Canada just bought his 2nd Tesla using his smartphone. It was delivered to his home.

[@PierreaSweedieCat]

Ao he hardly needed a dealer or a showroom.

[@senbassador]

I guess it's a good thing MI borders Canada. Can you just buy it in Canada, drive it to MI, and register it in MI? I am sure there will be custom fees involved though.

[@jwenting]

I'd never buy a car without being able to test drive it, or at least a very close stable mate (say a different variant of the same model in case the actual model I'm buying isn't available for delivery yet). Good thing too, I ended up borrowing a Tesla from a colleague for a few hours when I was considering buying one last year and found out the seats and control layout don't work for me at all. Ended up with terrible pain in my back and had trouble even getting into and out of the vehicle. Nice ride and looks good, but if I can't sit in it it's useless to me.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

@@senbassador The way that a Canadian car is built may not be up to the same standards as required by the United States and so if that is the case then no. The car cannot be imported.

[@4jp]

@@vawlkus Wrong. The only safety difference is DRL. The factor restricting importation from US is going to be EIS. Canada requires it on all vehicles that are model year 2007 or newer.

[@KTMsteve]

Barring an American company from selling an American product from an American state is NOT American!

[@GH-oi2jf]

The rule has nothing to do with where the car is made.

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

There's nothing American about electric vehicles. They should be banned from every state.

[@matthelfer7394]

@@NikoBellaKhouf how are they unamerican?

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@matthelfer7394 they're anti freedom

[@matthelfer7394]

@@NikoBellaKhouf how are they anti-freedom? If anything they promote freedom, when the government of Cali was closing everything down Tesla fought them.

[@CrazyPetesProjects]

car dealers , "but think about the old ways! that's how we've always done it, and we need laws to protect our horrible business model!"

[@tommercer3226]

It's just too bad that you have to go to a dealership (3rd party in essence) to purchase a car just to have the dealership "RIP" you off. My state has that law also.

[@1978garfield]

For some reason in pretty much every state in the US you can not buy a car or alcoholic beverages from the manufacturer. They must sell their product to a dealership or a distributor and then you can pay for another mark up and then you can have it.

[@nickwarner8158]

There is another side to that coin. A dealer has to service it even if the manufacturer goes under. Remember 2008? Ford was the only one of the big three who didn't need a taxpayer bailout. What if GM owned its own dealership and then killed off the Oldsmobile, Saturn, Hummer and Pontiac brands? People who had just bought a new car and wanted its warranty honored would be screwed because GM could simply close those dealers. You wouldn't have anywhere to get your warranty work done. But a dealer who works on GM products would have to honor your warranty for a vehicle brand no longer being made because they sold it to you new.

[@j0hnnykn0xv1lle]

Ironic to see Michigan turning away automakers.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Protectionism. I can't really think of a time when it benefitted the public.

[@timothybarney7257]

Automakers not willing to play by the rules of the big three. For both the good and bad that can potentially lead to.

[@rabokarabekian409]

Uh, ever read or watch anything about how THE BIG THREE did whatever they wanted to stop anybody else trying to make cars? Very early on, Indiana once had about 600 carmakers. I there's anything capitalists hate worse than socialism it is truly free markets.

[@JFDSmit-rm6tw]

@@rabokarabekian409 You're confusing capitalists with corporatists. The average capitalist has his/ her own business to make a living or works for someone with a business to make a living. Corporatists buy up the capitalists and inCORPORATE the small businesses or force them out of business. You don't want socialism - the main goal of the Great Reset, where none owns anything and all... rent... their lodging and transport (from the socialists in control, who tell them that owning property is theft while owning all property) - and you don't want corporatism. You want capitalism.

[@joepangean6770]

Think it is a new policy? Go ask Preston Tucker (you will need a seance).

[@imouse3246]

Restraint of trade, but at a legislative level. I guess that makes it legal? HA!

[@TheCrystalGlow]

Sounds like some illegal anti-competitive antitrust stuff going on from the legislation.

[@joshentheosparks7492]

And present in most states. Tesla was sued in most states for not being able to repair the vehicle in the same facility that sells them

[@byronwatkins2565]

I don't lease vehicles; but, if I had leased a lemon, I would have sued the leasing company for breach of contract. Since they own the "vehicle," it was their responsibility to use the lemon law to assure that my lease was a VEHICLE and not a random assembly of defective parts.

[@johnmcclain3887]

Very good point, I'm surprised it wasn't noted in the suit.

[@mbgrafix]

_"It is not a _*_car,_*_ it is an electric _*_traveling_*_ device"_ said the sovereign citizen.

[@baobo67]

It is not a car, it is a tosser's badge.

[@harrynicholes3166]

Actually Funny!😆

[@JohnBoen]

Good point. Tesla has the ability to act like a car, but do much more. Saying Tesla is a car is like saying a smartphone is a phone. It's not. It just behaves like one if you want it to. And for the same reasons I will never buy another flip phone, I will never buy another ICE car.

[@baobo67]

@@JohnBoen Smart phones are expensive and so are your "Smart" cars. Like my smart phone I do not use all the smartness my current ICE car has.

[@JohnBoen]

@@baobo67 I expect these things to act as a source of revenue as robo taxi, daily power sales, or as batteries that help our power grid, and eventually sell spare GPU cycles in distributed compute networks. Think 10-20 years. Oh yeah, and it's a car.

[@tensortab8896]

Licences to voluntarily exchange goods? Cronyism reigns!

[@realtijuana5998]

Someday, the Canadian robot lady will have to end an episode with "What's sauce for the Michigander is sauce for the Michigoose."

[@robertlee9395]

That's a tough bird to swallow!

[@LoneTiger]

Always learn the rules, so you know how to bend them, get around them or even break them correctly if needed. 😁

[@jwenting]

most of which tends to come down to getting some bribes (oops, lobbying contributions) to the right politicians...

[@phiksit]

sounds like what donnie trump does

[@jtyree0226]

@@phiksit your boyfriend JB does the same. And so do all the others

[@rationalbushcraft]

For me it is not just a Tesla issue. At this point I shop for a car online. The dealer adds no value to the process except to add cost. I want to buy every car directly from the manufacturer. Dealers can turn into factory repair centers.

[@robertbates2987]

in the 60's 70's the big three behaved with similar forethought ( steel and import tariffs). it worked so well that today Honda and Toyota make the most popular cars.

[@richardbenjamin8535]

robot lady: so if the horse only says negative things, does that make it a no whinnie situation?

[@joshnabours9102]

It makes it a Neigh-sayer!

[@imlistening1137]

Robot lady announced her pregnancy a while back!

[@richardbenjamin8535]

@@imlistening1137 do you happen to know if she mentioned if the baby is going to be a boy or a girl? assuming she knows yet that is.

[@imlistening1137]

@@richardbenjamin8535 no! Just she had something in the oven, or something cute like that, in a message! I listened a couple of times to make sure that I understood what she meant, but now I’m worried!

[@cat-.-]

Wow i always thought it's a voice actor saying these lines, because she had such a realistic voice

[@markwilling9019]

We live in Michigan, we have purchased a Model 3 in 2019 (before Tesla opened their service center) and then a Model Y in 2020 (after a semi truck decided to total our Model 3). At any rate, purchasing a Tesla in Michigan really isn't that much of an inconvenience, either way. Folks that haven't went through the process have this idea that, for Michigan residents, it is such an inconvenience that it isn't worth the purchase. Nothing could be further from the truth. We drove 2.5 hrs to Chicago, IL in 2019, and 2.5 hrs to Clarkston, MI to pick up our cars. Tesla was very good at guiding us through the process, and it was easy. We will be turning in our leased 2018 Nissan Leaf this Spring,...and purchasing another Model 3.

[@CanKenMakeIt]

The dealership model needs blown up. Won't happen soon.

[@jwenting]

it was blown up in the Netherlands several years ago. Though we had the exact opposite of the Michigan system, here the ONLY companies allowed to sell new cars were the manufacturers and importers, so they ran all the dealerships, often as exclusive franchises. Result was there'd only be a very few dealerships per brand (or group of brands) to ensure they'd not have to compete with one another. Took decades of political pressuring and lawsuits before that system was changed and companies were allowed to become dealerships for more than one brand (which is what happened here). Most dealerships are still owned franchises of the manufacturers (similar to a KFC or McDonalds) but there now is some competition and service levels have gone up.

[@donm2255]

Tesla is a very disruptive company. The most likely outcome is the dealerships go belly up because the cars makers that supply them go belly up. It may happen a lot sooner than we realize. You don't have to erode too much of the big three's market share to make them unprofitable. The only question is how fast can Tesla build new factories.

[@donm2255]

@Ben Bla There was a time when people thought transportation involved a horse and trains were powered with steam. At some point a disruptive technology comes along and changes everything. In ten years no one will be making cars with an ICE. The cheapest solution always wins. Cars replaced the horse and buggy. Diesel electric replaced steam locomotives. And EV's will replace gas cars. Enough people will buy the less expensive EV's to make manufacturing ICE cars unprofitable. This process won't take long. You need to watch some of Tony Seba's youtube videos on disruptive technologies. You'll have a much better idea of the change coming in the next decade.

[@angelo9176]

@@donm2255 yeah but you can get a much nicer car for the price instead of a tesla. There just not high quality made cars with no independent repair so it has to be serviced by tesla. I am tho against this all competition is good but I hope telsa can eventually get their quality up

[@donm2255]

@@angelo9176 There is nothing wrong with Tesla's quality. I own a 2018 Model S and I have no complaints. There isn't an automaker currently reducing the cost of their cars as fast as Tesla. The prices have been going down--not up. It won't be long before EV's are dramatically cheaper to buy vs a similar ICE car.

[@gordo4559]

Was the big four at one time I worked on AMC new headquarters building in Southfield,MI back in around 1975 when I was a apprentice electrician in IBEW LU#58

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

I had a hot wheels gremlin about that time.

[@preiter20]

Every time I drive though Southfield on 696 I still think of the building as the "AMC" building. Don't recall what it is called now.

[@robertlee9395]

@@preiter20 It was Jeep Truck engineering.

[@robertlee9395]

My neighbor had a Gray Javelin, real nice, next to them, an Ambassador. My sister's friend had a really sharp red Javelin, my friend had an Ambassador. My ex had a Gremlin. I hated that thing. Sorry. I would have preferred a Hornet!

[@DefectivePotato95]

I dont think its constitutional to stop direct sales or direct service centers. I'm sure if tesla fights hard enough they will eventually get their way.

[@yadayada752]

Nothing in the Constitution about cars.

[@daveg1701]

@@yadayada752 There is the interstate commerce clause of the constitution (Article 1 section 8) that assigns the power to regulate commerce between the several states to the Federal government and not the states themselves. So unless there is something in federal law that allows Michigan to limit dealer licensing to 3rd parties only, it would be questionable if the Michigan ban was constitutional.

[@siggyincr7447]

​@@daveg1701 At first I was thinking state's rights would seem to take precedence here. But if Tesla's sales are originating from an out of state corporation, then that would seem to be a serious blow to Michigan's ability to ban Tesla from direct sales there.

[@rogerkirk1914]

its only to delay tesla so the big 3 can get their Ecars on the road.

[@phiksit]

Delay tactics and running out the clock... same thing donnie trump does with most his lawsuits.

[@therealsilens]

Interesting! Now I'd love to hear a piece on Tesla and right to repair!

[@EsotericSoul]

Growing up in Livonia during the late ‘70’s/80’s, I remember when it was illegal to sell cars on Sunday🤣

[@rapid13]

When government acts to improve the circumstances of one group, it necessarily harms all other groups who do not receive the same support.

[@Christobanistan]

Dur.

[@rapid13]

@@Christobanistan Yes, you’d think it would be self evident, but there are far too many who don’t understand this.

[@one-of-us9939]

I've got my Tesla mobile mechanic appointment on the 9th... Will any of this be a disruption? Michigan made buying it a pain... Nothing but smiles and trophies since!💪🤣👍

[@markbeiser]

I don't do dealerships anymore. My last car purchase was a used car, got it through Carvana. Figure out exactly what I wanted, used search filters to find it, and ordered it, took less than an hour to find it and complete all "paperwork". 2 days later it was delivered to my house to start my 7 day "test drive", so had plenty of time to check the car over myself, and get my mechanic to go through it, with no salesman gibbering in my ear telling me how great the car is. It took a few days, but I decided I didn't like it, so exchanged it for a different car. Que start of next 7 day "test drive" and check out. 2nd time was the charm, less than 60 days later I got the new license plates and registration in the mail. The only person I had to deal with were the delivery/pick up drivers, just to show my license and insurance, and sign for the delivery. Best car buying experience of my life, and I've had quite a few. My last new vehicle purchase was a 2013 F-150, it was a nearly all day ordeal of test drives and running the gauntlet of salesman, sales manager, financial guy, accessories chic, etc., all to buy a truck that was already on the lot, and that I had my own financing lined up for. And I didn't even get to pick it up for 3 days...🙄 Assuming the final product resembles the prototype, my next new vehicle purchase will be a Cybertruck.

[@Punko1969]

Steve, this reminds me of a couple questions I've had about government and/or the courts shaping policy that benefits corporations at the expense of the consumer: 1. Cable companies. I've heard cable companies don't encroach on one another's areas to avoid price wars driving down prices, but I've also heard that local governments award exclusive contracts that only allow one major cable company in their jurisdiction. Which is true, or are they both? 2. The growing reach of the arbitration clause. Over the past couple years, I've received new agreements with arbitration clauses from the bank and two credit unions where I have money. All three have instructions describing how to decline, which involve you notifying them in writing within a specific amount of time. When notifying them in writing, I asked all 3 for confirmation and received none from any of them. I'm guessing that if anything happens where I have to litigate, they will have no record that I declined. First, how is the legal system being allowed to be stripped of the power to go to court? Second, how are these anti-consumer requirements (examples: a closing window of opportunity to decline, declining by snail mail) still a thing in the age of the internet? It feels like all the banks suddenly decided that they shouldn't be able to be sued, so those who can't follow their specific rules (most likely the majority of their customers) get to go through arbitration slanted in the bank's favor if said bank mishandles their money.

[@graciescottsdale]

Doctors too!

[@jram7047]

Having a little more in depth personal experience here , I will say not having dealerships has kept tesla exclusive and is part of how they are fighting right to repair, tesla vehicles are some of the hardest to fix and most expensive cars out there. Not because of technology but because they don't allow their testing devices and information outside of their own control. The reality is that dealerships make their money on repairs and insurance scams at the end of the sale , with some income from getting the loans done. I really think dealerships would strengthen consumer rights and tesla is afraid of that

[@cdub]

I've been on the "buy American" side... and specifically a Chevy boy... ever since I can remember. Currently there are three vehicles sitting in my driveway. an HHR, an Equinox and a Suburban. Learning about things like this makes me feel like I wouldn't give a crap if ALL of the big three go under. Completely and forever. I'll look elsewhere for my next purchases.

[@firsttpt]

Almost makes you want to buy a Tesla just to spite them.

[@Cal94]

i'd rather go rivian personally

[@josephjakubec3171]

Firstly. The build quality of Tesla are terrible especially for a high price car. Sorry, not a fan boy. Maybe someday they will get it together.

[@robertlee9395]

No, not at all. I can't be bothered with the issues of an electric vehicle. Personally, I think Elon Musk is an arrogant thunder twat.

[@MB-kk8px]

I bought a model 3 in 2018 and it’s been great. After 65k miles the only thing I’ve done is add windshield washer fluid and buy new tires. I also bought it on Tesla’s website and they delivered it to my house. I will never go to dealership again.

[@beaurex4756]

You better think twice. Their quality is horrible.

[@tedpeters9699]

Look back at the Auto industry in the late 60's early 70's and the fight they put up with lobbyists over the pollution standards, the more things change the more they stay the same.

[@tomhenry5870]

Nebraska is somewhat similar so my model 3 came through Kansas City and was delivered to my driveway. Easiest car purchase ever. My prior purchase was 5 years prior at a Ford dealer. They promised me a 1000 dollar cash back finance deal, strung the process out on a weeknight evening when I was tired, claimed to have saved me money by changing the financing at the last minute to a lower rate. What they didn’t say is they took back the $1000! which I didn’t realize until later and then it’s too late. I hate car dealers because I’ve had bad experiences more often than good ones. I did have a good experience in 2009 when I bought a new Prius. First dealer jerked me around and tried to talk me into a car I didn’t want and had to go to the manager to get my deposit back. Second dealer found a car just like what I asked for in a couple weeks where the first took months. We agreed on a price and I got my own financing at my credit union. Dealer called me a week before delivery to say Toyota had just started a $1000 back deal on Priuses and did I mind paying $1000 less! I said I didn’t mind. Then some time later I called the day before going to sign and pick up the car and said I know we agreed on X dollars price but what’s the real total with fees and such so I can pick up the check from the credit union. The salesman started laughing! I was dumbstruck. He said you haven’t bought from us before have you? No. The price we agreed to is the final price, nothing else! I had never had that happen before and I got my first car in 1977.! Until Tesla.... I will admit that pressing that “Buy Now” button on a $40000.00 purchase was scary and surreal! BTW, I love my Tesla. It’s not perfect but neither was my Prius and I drove it for 237000 miles to save up for my Tesla. A friend now owns my old Prius and loves it too. A happy ending.

[@Nationalminer84]

I have followed this from the start. My opinion has completely changed due to the actions of the manufacturers and their dealers. One by one small dealers are forced to remodel or rebuild these cookie cutter facilities or give up the franchise. Most of the time they can't afford it and a big corporate dealer group comes in. My town used to have 3 good, local dealers. Now we have none. A grand rapids corporation came in and built the sterilized dealerships the manufacturers wanted in the next town over. To add insult the former dealer owners had to go work there as salesmen in their 50s to have a job. If Tesla is dealing fairly and taking care of their customers that's all that matters because the franchise dealer model of the big 3 has destroyed families and cities. This is without mentioning the 2009 bankruptcy dealer dumps they did.

[@edg8535]

I have never put Elon Musk at a real high level. However, I do like the fact that he is taking on some of these politicians. He will win in Michigan, it will just take some years. The Big Three are no longer the Big Three due to their poor management and the management of the unions.

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

Maybe you should find out about the man, Third Row Tesla has a 3 hour long chat with him, his life history etc and he is joined by his brother Kimball. He has courage , guts and dedication and determination as well as being extremely smart , kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGrSdpZmrKiEeqc And a mini documentary Elon Musk: The Scientist Behind the CEO (and How He Teaches Himself) Documentary kzbin.info/www/bejne/p17KaHWGmbighpY What Lex Fridman Learned From Meeting Elon Musk | Joe Rogan kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoXSmXuOfd2Ybbc Yes as with all great achievers that change the world for the better, they have their fair share of haters

[@digginaustin]

@@j.pgoodwin9020 Elon is a fraud he sold out out and is a puppet. He may be smart but it is a front to push a old technology that has been suppressed by our handlers and push the fake space b.s

[@jtyree0226]

@@digginaustin wait, so I’m not going to get some hot Martian action?

[@mrcryptozoic817]

@@digginaustin Fraud? Puppet? He had a car vision and succeeded. You didn't. He had a space vision and had the where-with-all to achieve it. None of that is at all fraudulent. But "haters gotta hate."

[@adamorick2872]

Not only that, state will pay him once he wins for loss of sales

[@IronmanV5]

I just love how these "free market" types who hate "big government" will lobby to get laws like this passed🙄

[@RangerDave1959]

I don't remember any mention of party affiliation in this video.

[@IronmanV5]

@@RangerDave1959 The car dealer party, a.k.a. sales scum. They'll go on and on about letting the market decide without government interference, but then look to government protection when THEY are on the losing end.

[@falxonPSN]

@@RangerDave1959 yeah, because I wonder which party will place corporate interests over citizens' interests. It could go either way.

[@ThomasSpademan]

No corporation wants a free market. They all want administered markets that work for them. It's just good for their business, albeit not good for the rest of us.

[@mickaleneduczech8373]

Everybody's a libertarian until their neighbor wants to develop his property.

[@michaelmhoon4353]

This TESLA car in Michigan incident reminds me of what happened to the TUCKER car in Michigan from 1946 to 1948.

[@liamwilkinson4669]

So land off the free, doesn’t mean what I thought it did, God Bless America 🇺🇸

[@rabokarabekian409]

The US is the land of the free if you are rich enough to get somebody else to pay for your freedom.

[@Ryarios]

It hasn’t for a long time now...

[@hydrophobicfish810]

Somewhere along the way greed took the r out of free

[@Vaga-Bard]

@@hydrophobicfish810 thats right. Lamd of the fee, home of the slave. (Define both in legalese. Which is Roman essentially)

[@kevingebhard23]

Thank you Steve, I stop buying American autos after I bought 2 back to back american cars that was the most headache. Both less than 2 years old was in the shop over and over. I bought my first american car in 20 years and it is a Tesla S. Other then the long wait, it is worth it.

[@Worthrhetime]

In part , this kind of stuff is why the big 3 is no longer the big 3 . Grew up in Michigan and lived through the slow death of the auto industry and rise of bad politics... still love Michigan but the political situation, sad

[@Joemama555]

"free market" economics....

[@Scientist_Salarian]

Nothing free market about the government.

[@JFDSmit-rm6tw]

Free market economics has limited government, leaving industry and commerce alone.

[@phiksit]

There's nothing "free market" about capitalism. In fact it's one of the biggest recipients of SOCIALISM and wealthcare... bailouts, subsidies, paying no taxes, slaps on the wrist for breaking the law, bribing politicians for special legislation / carve outs, taking taxpayer bailouts for stock buybacks to inflate share prices and cutting / offshoring jobs, millions of dollars going to executives (why?) as their employees struggle financially. Privatizing profits and socializing costs.

[@JFDSmit-rm6tw]

@@phiksit You are kind-of correct. Industrial and commercial costs and profits are to be kept private, for the owner to decide how to spend share it. You clearly have no idea what starting, running and maintaining a business entails. So keep quiet, or flee to the safety of Cuba or NK. Where you can share in the glorious riches of socialism - if you can manage to lie and steal your way into their parliament.

[@rjhacker]

In 50 years, Michigan will be the embarrassing side note about resistance to new technologies, just like the gas street lamps. People will think, "They sure were ignorant back then in Michigan". Hope it's worth it, car dealers.

[@mattc.310]

Now let's mix right to repair in with that.

[@thatjeff7550]

Also seems short-sighted on Michigan's part shutting out a company owned by the world's second richest man.

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

It's working well for Texas

[@jettydoom]

Tesla has not made any profit yet

[@ptrsrrll]

And one that employs 20,000 Americans...

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

I like automakers and dealers to not make a profit as long as they employ Americans. All my cars have VINs starting with 1, 4, or 5 and I go for the most discounted vehicles.

[@jettydoom]

@@foxtrotwolf6081 So we can bail them out ?

[@jamescollins4500]

Good story Steve. Buying time; never thought of it that way.

[@robertstoneking7916]

I don't think they'll try to exclude Tesla now. They have lawyers established and are headquartered out of state so there is no basis to claim they aren't interstate commerce and can be regulated by the state.

[@ountoptwo]

Change is coming, it’s happening...the record industry tried to fight change and lost. The car industry should adapt with the changing times

[@thewolfdoctor761]

A lot of states have strange laws on the books. I live in NY and the state has ruled that there may only be 6 Tesla service centers. They are all active now. The nearest one to me is 75 miles away which makes me hesitant to buy a Tesla.

[@bepowerful2160]

Mine is 240 miles. But they sent service to my house for a minor warranty issue. They have service people who go to where the cars are to work on them if needed, may depend on how far you are from center. I’ve owned Model 3 since November 2018. If u ever get more serious there are lots of Tesla clubs on Facebook that offer rides, etc. to interested people.

[@thewolfdoctor761]

@@bepowerful2160 Thank you

[@gbinman]

Texas had something similar, no idea of the particulars. It was changed apparently as one can now go online and buy a Tesla.

[@ernestgalvan9037]

...one could always buy a Tesla online in Texas. What was, and still is, outlawed in Texas was Tesla sales stores where Tesla personnel could directly sell you the vehicle you wanted, have it directly titled in Texas, and have the factory deliver it directly to you. Texas prohibits Tesla personnel from assisting you in any way, shape, or form, in the purchase process. ALL they can do is suggest you call or go online if you are thinking of buying a Tesla. Now that Tesla’s TerraTexas Factory in Austin is coming on-line, with its jobs numbering in the tens of thousands (direct and indirect), maybe things will change....

[@pubcollize]

2:55 "Of course there are manufacturing plants all over... America, as well as Canada and Mexico" Well played, Steve, well played.

[@bartismoellis1052]

this is a great example of why term limits on all elected offices should be in place

[@thewolfdoctor761]

Couldn't newly elected people be bought off too ?

[@bartismoellis1052]

@@thewolfdoctor761 yes that is a possibility but at least it would help stop long term curuption

[@jedburnell9046]

There is a much bigger lobby in play here as well, the oil companies.

[@donarnold8268]

Thank You! Bless Ms. Heather! Posting on Facebook...

[@EM-fi2qg]

I heard Texas also has an interesting dealership law. Tesla couldn't have a dealership in Texas, unless they allowed other people to sell their cars. Tesla won't let anyone but themselves to sell their cars.

[@Vykk_Draygo]

At least that almost kind of makes sense.

[@paulcallicoat7597]

I'd guess it has something to do with the fact that it doesn't use gasoline,too. Big oil doesn't like that their product isn't needed to make it go down the road.No gas taxes for the government to keep the roads in repair,too.

[@Vykk_Draygo]

@@paulcallicoat7597 It still uses lubricants and other products produced using petroleum, so oil is still necessary (just not gasoline). And all of those things are taxed, as is the electricity purchased to power the unit, so there isn't exactly ZERO money there.

[@badbiker666]

I have been to the Sommerset Mall. It's a great place to go if you want a Louis Vuitton bag, They also have a Neiman Marcus department store that features "personal shoppers." It's weird; you walk in, sit down, enjoy tea or coffee, while people bring products to you for your approval. Years ago I tried on an overcoat. Almost shit my pants when I saw the $6000 price tag.

[@Reno_Slim]

Maybe they should advertise Teslas in Michigan suggesting that they purchase them in neighboring states with a discount if they can show they're from Michigan.

[@billysmith5721]

i like your idea

[@KG4JYS]

LOL. I thought the big 3 were Apple, Amazon, Facebook. Weird to hear the term used for a different market.

[@Mnrichard2]

Ben is refreshing on top of the right side law books...

[@yadayada752]

😀🥂 2nd place 🎉🎈

[@henryhatfield74]

That is a good hide , couldn't find him without your post !

[@nunyabidness3075]

The better solution would be to get rid of the dealer laws altogether. If the dealers add value, they will stay in business. If not, they can go.

[@Scientist_Salarian]

Seller: I have a legal product which I will exchange for money. Buyer: I have money, and will exchange it for your legal product. Government: Not so fast.

[@preachers4135]

Time for a new commodity to trade, Elan how many chickens and goats will you accept in exchange for a Tesla?

[@fuckgoogleforever]

9mm is probably the most valuable asset right now. Lol

[@marksmith732]

I think the main problem was in part you have a "show room" but have to buy from the factory. If you have a warranty issue there is no "dealership" to go to. you call the factory.

[@tenlittleindians]

It was illegal to put halogen headlights on my motorcycle in the 70's. The law only allowed garbage trucks to use non sealed headlights back then.

[@korswe]

The way I see it is if the dealerships strongly believe that they add value to the car-buying and ownership experience, then show the value. If they are so good, then people will buy their cars at the dealerships over buying directly from manufacturers.

[@jayj6770]

Ohio also has a carvout that allows Tesla to have 3 showrooms and nobody else. With Rivian and others, stand by for lawsuits.

[@JD-yx7be]

Maryland is the same with 4 and no more

[@stupidburp]

Tesla should open up big dealerships just across the state borders. Perhaps in Toledo Ohio, South Bend Indiana, and Marinette Wisconsin.

[@jimBobuu]

Now look into aviation dealerships. It'll make the situation in Michigan look like a fair and open market.

[@daveturner6612]

One overlooked point is that these are absolutely amazing automobiles, designed and made in America, using American technology. The only other viable company that is even close is VW who acknowledges that Tesla is at a minimum 4 years ahead of them. Toyota estimates about 6 years at a minimum. Guaranteed, a Tesla detractor is someone who has not driven one. The cars sell themselves, that scares the crap out of guys who need to spend $5 billion annually on flogging ancient technology.

[@W1ldt1m]

That's why tesla of toledo is doing so well.

[@johncgibson4720]

The lithium efficiency is cut in half when your Michigan winter comes. Doesn't need a ban to blow it to the wayside.

[@robertpendzick9250]

Out door lights on beaches confuse the turtles as they are suppose to go towards the moon light and ocean and not beach lights. Seems that Eastern and Western new hatched turtles can tell an Eastern moon from a Western moon, who knew.

[@robertlee9395]

If you pick up a turtle, and carry it to the water, it's a huge fine.

[@Inertia888]

I see what you're getting at, but I think the water of the ocean will sparkle no matter the general direction of the moon. that is assuming that there are no lights on the boardwalk.

[@ycmdill]

I remember the rant against the "Yellow Halogen" street lights because they were more efficient and produced more lighting when they were first developed.

[@obijuan3004]

This is going on in over 20 states.

[@nezb01]

The problem is dealers can’t make money selling electric cars because there is very little service required after purchase. So if the big 3 goes electric there distribution system goes under. In Germany green piece did a secret shopper program at dealerships (VW I think) and a vast majority of the salesmen tried to steer them away from buying an electric car with all kinds of lies.

[@M.A.T.T.A.L.I.A.N.O]

I wonder how many of these legislators are now driving a shiny new Escalade, hellcat, corvette, etc. “purchased” at an extreme discount.

[@mikemojc]

"Opps a dollar fell out of my pocket." "Opps, hold on to the this keyfob while we look for it. This might take a while"

[@kingt7126]

Who said they bought them? 🤨

[@JasonW.]

I would say make, no force, car dealers to sell cars with you show up, pay price, leave with car. Last car we bought took 3 hours at the dealer to purchase. The car was already picked out, trade already agreed to, financing already set up.

[@michaelwarren2391]

"I need to check with the sales manager..."

[@compu85]

We put the down payment our Model 3 from a phone app and got a loan from a credit union. Delivery took 15 minutes. We were at the Tesla dealer probably 30 minutes total, including parking.

[@vincentshelpfulhints4085]

The big 3 are losing to Tesla, once Tesla can make affordable cars for the average customer the big 3 will be a memory,, Just as Sears and roebuck and Montgomery Ward are a faded memory for myself

[@phiksit]

And people will actually buy that butt ugly cybertruck? Most of america still wants huge ass pickups and SUV's.

[@GHutube8]

Excellent presentation!

[@RangerDave1959]

They only created the Tesla loophole because they know the law won't stand up in court.

[@goingballisticmotion5455]

As a Michigan resident do I have standing to sue the State for restraint of trade in this case?

[@grumpymunchkin2959]

The “Big 3”. Old, Archaic and Dying. You decided who’s who.

[@ScottClevelandmi]

I live in southwestern Michigan. My wife's care is 10 years old. It WILL be replaced with a Tesla. The only thing holding us back is Tesla's warranty service issues. They can't keep up with their own demand. Getting one is not a problem getting it fixed is.

[@kingofengland111]

The other thing tesla needs to do is let third party mechanics to repair their vehicles too

[@ScottClevelandmi]

@@kingofengland111 Yes!

[@MB-kk8px]

I have a model 3 with 65k miles. Only maintenance I’ve done is windshield washer fluid and tires. I had an issue with one of the door hinges and a Tesla service person came to my house and swapped the part out on the street. They have a whole fleet of service vehicles, so you don’t have to take the car in unless it’s something major.

[@HollywoodHornet]

I love the government. They're always looking out for my best interests and making sure corporations stay in their lane. I am also a big fan of government cheese and government everything.

[@dbadaddy7386]

I miss that government cheese. That was truly epic cheese.

[@Vaga-Bard]

The govt is a corporation.

[@danielrivest8942]

@@Vaga-Bard Actually if it were a corporation it would have to declare bankruptcy.

[@Woloverine1]

Noticed the WABX sticker behind your left shoulder 99.5 FM Detroit...excellent station from the 70's..hard rockers delight honorable mention WRIF 101.1 & W-4 106.7 broadcast in 4 channel grew up in the greater Detroit area ND

[@stevelehto]

And when WLLZ signed on, there were 4 rock and rollers for a bit.

[@Woloverine1]

@@stevelehto WLLZ introductory commercial free week began when i returned to Metro Detroit from Fla. Great times in the sub tropics ND

[@billy-go9kx]

I saw on Scotty yesterday that GM is trying to deliver their new Hummers to consumers, without the dealers modifying their sticker price. But still pick up at the dealer.

[@ernestgalvan9037]

GM cannot dictate the price that a dealer sells for... Remember, it’s a MSRP... ‘Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price” 😁

[@billligon4005]

So if or when you have an accident in your Tesla, and Insurance 'totaled' your car and you get the blue book value to purchase a new car -- that insurance coverage DOES NOT COVER replacement of the FSD package which will cost you another $10K plus. So can they do that? Does not sound very reasonable to me.

[@RP-mz6sq]

The "Big 3" abandoned the American Consumer years ago with overpriced, poor quality automobiles. I will never purchase another product from any of those crappy companies ever again.

[@bondgabebond4907]

In the last 60s and early 70, the big three made some incredible cars. Then, as you said, they began to make poor quality cars and then the Japanese began to sell their cars here: Honda, Toyota and Datsun (Nissan). At that point, it was game over. Now many of our Ford, GM and Chrysler cars are assembled here from parts made overseas, or entire cars are made overseas with American car badges.

[@branon6565]

R P ....you basically just admitted that you're one of those scumbags who only buys Asian produced junk vehicles, or tesla garage electric vehicles, so how's it feel to be a garbage human being? Me myself, I will only ever own and drive FORD vehicles, with the newest being my daily driver, a 1984 Ranger 4x4'that has over 312,000 miles on it....

[@jim7297]

@@branon6565 Ha Ha I love it .Dude if you would have invested your chewing tobacco money in Tesla stock you could get rid of that piece of shit Ford and even moved up from your single wide to a double wide.

[@BackstageNoel]

Thanks for covering this.

[@r.a.monigold9789]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you are declared ILLEGAL

[@brianspencer6397]

Then you sue their ass and (if you are sufficiently rich,) bankrupt their state....

[@johnmiranda2307]

One of your best! Thnx.

[@Paul-ou1rx]

They're afraid of getting their butts kicked again so they pulled a Tonya Harding.

[@robertlee9395]

Why? Why? Actually it was her husband.

[@moegreenbl]

There's a Tesla location in Clarkston Michigan. I drive by it all the time and Somerset is a annoying ritzy mall right by the old headquarters for Kmart

[@WhittyPics]

Flip side of that is the effort going on to FORCE the rest to buy EXPENSIVE electric cars we don't want

[@pheelix-]

Like a Tesla.

[@compu85]

@Ben Bla can you elaborate on that?

[@richardedwardpay]

In 5 years robotaxis will be the majority of car trips.