We Lost 400 HP From an Air Filter!

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Steve Morris Engines

Steve Morris Engines

Жыл бұрын

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@WestCoastWheelman
@WestCoastWheelman Жыл бұрын
You're killing this KZbin stuff lately man! I confess, I originally only subbed because Cleeter told me to, and I didn't think some engine builder non-KZbinr guy would actually get my clicks. But now I'm watching every video start to finish! You're really hitting a sweet spot between the ubiquitous fab and machining content and car guy stuff, bridging the two in your own unique way! Keep up the fine work, the Cleetus bump was well deserved.
@Paulman50
@Paulman50 Жыл бұрын
Same here, and realy enjoy these videos 👍😊
@pete1208
@pete1208 Жыл бұрын
Same
@RandomlnternetGuy
@RandomlnternetGuy Жыл бұрын
Agreed! But the only reason i didnt sub before hand is because ive never head of this channel. What a gem. This channel, I Do Cars and Austin Neimela have had me hooked!
@eriklarson9137
@eriklarson9137 Жыл бұрын
To me at least, I enjoy watching people who are passionate about their craft, work on that craft. Cleet seems to find the best along the way, which is awesome. KSR, Brent, Steve, on and on. All masters at their chosen field.
@ChrisCogoli
@ChrisCogoli Жыл бұрын
Same here! Really enjoying every video
@josephd.4890
@josephd.4890 Жыл бұрын
Shame I can't say I can do it, but you should send one of those dare to keep engines off nitrous to jack stand Jimmy as a gag gift😅
@keevinjohnson336
@keevinjohnson336 Жыл бұрын
We gotta get this to happen!
@RonniePTexan
@RonniePTexan Жыл бұрын
Best idea 🏆
@veto8792
@veto8792 Жыл бұрын
Concur 100%. 😂😂😂
@peart71c
@peart71c Жыл бұрын
Not to hate but tye didn't weld that cage!!! Did he use a hubba bubba or a bubbalicious rod on that?
@SPHYNX99752
@SPHYNX99752 Жыл бұрын
Order it and send it to Cleetus in Florida...
@Procharged32
@Procharged32 Жыл бұрын
No one thinks your videos are boring, everyone learns from you.
@JaySmith-kk6lh
@JaySmith-kk6lh Жыл бұрын
Yeah no kidding, same.
@veto8792
@veto8792 Жыл бұрын
Absolute agree!
@collinmangrum
@collinmangrum Жыл бұрын
Fax
@Hammerback972
@Hammerback972 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Morris has never made a "boring" video. Id watch him read the encyclopedia Britannica if he would glance up at the camera every few minutes and say "horsepower" or "boost". 😂
@veto8792
@veto8792 Жыл бұрын
@@Hammerback972 🤣
@rob183
@rob183 Жыл бұрын
"Before you checkout, this video looks boring" said nobody when it comes to Steve Morris Engines and their video content. Love your work as always Steve, thanks for sharing with us.
@videoviewer2008
@videoviewer2008 Жыл бұрын
You can see why Banks is running 4 large air filters on his crazy turbo/super charged Durmax project.
@bobstitzenberger1834
@bobstitzenberger1834 Жыл бұрын
Banks has been racing for over 60 years, he has a pretty good idea of where to look for power. And he is still learning stuff!
@ryurc3033
@ryurc3033 Жыл бұрын
I always imagined a rectangle made from flat panel filters and aluminum 3/4 angle.
@js2821
@js2821 Жыл бұрын
Get banks BAAF. BIG ASS AIR FILTER
@Donkypunchrr
@Donkypunchrr Жыл бұрын
You could try a Y-pipe off the air inlet and run 2 filters on either side. That area looks a little tight for the size of filter you need on that monster.
@racecitypatriot66
@racecitypatriot66 Жыл бұрын
It's just for street driving it be ok. Would have to run 5 inch pipe to flow the air and 5 inch bends are hard to come by and $$$$. But I know what you saying.
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 Жыл бұрын
Thought of that too but not sure there is enough room to run a y-pipe? Would be really tight.
@speeddemon2262
@speeddemon2262 Жыл бұрын
Theoretically yes but as racecitypatroit said it's not really a problem, doubt the owner needs that extra 400 hp while transiting in a drag and drive on public roads.
@jestablitz3804
@jestablitz3804 Жыл бұрын
@@danmyers9372 MotionRacwWorks one will fit lol
@wobblysauce
@wobblysauce Жыл бұрын
With the front clip, it forces clean air into the right spot.
@pitbull8509
@pitbull8509 Жыл бұрын
Steve not one of your true fans will ever say this video is BORING I personally love how you show and teach things in your videos i know i have learned a lot of stuff just from watching them keep up all the great videos we really do appreciate the time you put into these as if you dont have alot going on running a machine shop !💯🎉🥳🍾
@gregmackay5073
@gregmackay5073 Жыл бұрын
Well said , I feel the same way.
@Fk8td
@Fk8td Жыл бұрын
I’m sure someone will say the back pressure creates torque but in reality the reason the exhaust picks up power scavenging through different pipe lengths. Adding header collector extensions can do the same thing and keep your hp also.
@xXSlickNickXx757
@xXSlickNickXx757 Жыл бұрын
Man the cage in that car looks sketchy at best. Bubble gum welds mean metal is just stuck outside the tube and not penetrated. With an engine that caliber I'd reconsider the chassis
@edmellingerjr.2395
@edmellingerjr.2395 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@jdmmike7225
@jdmmike7225 Жыл бұрын
I just commented the same thing LMFAO. 🤙
@skippysvr4586
@skippysvr4586 Жыл бұрын
I'm a little worried about doing my cars cage. His welds all the sudden made me feel better.
@jdmmike7225
@jdmmike7225 Жыл бұрын
@@skippysvr4586 I've done a cage in a 3000GT and it is not easy especially if your trying to maintain most of the interior trim panels. You have to get your angles just right and tuck everything as far in as possible. I remember we wanted to do gusset plates between the A-pillars and the A-pillar bars but they were just too close.
@skippysvr4586
@skippysvr4586 Жыл бұрын
@@jdmmike7225 Full race car so no interior panels. Mild steel so I can mig it.
@christiangraham4579
@christiangraham4579 Жыл бұрын
Since you did the exhaust with the filter, the engine can’t suck in enough air for the exhaust to even restrict the air coming out much.
@thor82ak
@thor82ak Жыл бұрын
He did it without the filter too.
@christiangraham4579
@christiangraham4579 Жыл бұрын
@@thor82ak right I was just explaining why it wasn’t a difference. The exhaust isn’t a restriction with the filter on. Because the engine isn’t pumping enough air for the exhaust to even be a restriction.
@tatokay4285
@tatokay4285 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful Car but who the hell welded that cage?
@user-mo8tm4jw2l
@user-mo8tm4jw2l Жыл бұрын
Oooof yea hope he doesn’t put that thing into the wall, cage isn’t going to hold up well. 😂. Looks like your typical low amperage booger welded mig job. Probably a home job if I had to guess. Rough though. If it looks that bad painted what’s it look like under that 😮
@seanmoody3381
@seanmoody3381 Жыл бұрын
Ray Charles with his feet lol
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 Жыл бұрын
I saw that too and was thinking 110 V welder on the end of 100 ft is 18 G extension cord and a jumper cable style ground clamp on painted metal.
@richpitty
@richpitty Жыл бұрын
You must be a welder to pick that up. I’m a welder and have a bad habit of looking at every weld I see that’s good old mig caterpillars all over that thing lol glad I’m not the only one that noticed
@bullfrog1807
@bullfrog1807 Жыл бұрын
Tech guy- “Yup those are some beefy welds…gotta be a nice root weld underneath that glob. Pass ✅”
@derekhammons5461
@derekhammons5461 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy every video you put out. Thank you for being so open and giving us without the means to still experience something we all find so fascinating.
@stevelee5724
@stevelee5724 Жыл бұрын
I'm with you Derek. If only we had the money ay.....
@gearhead06
@gearhead06 Жыл бұрын
So freaking Happy to see your starting to be recognized for your awesomeness with engines and machinery.. God Bless Steve I got to watch you grow makes me so Happy!!!
@tonybrinson564
@tonybrinson564 Жыл бұрын
Your video's are never boring , you and Kyle and Dewey keep bringing video's please
@NBSV1
@NBSV1 Жыл бұрын
The exhaust restriction doesn’t hurt as much since the engine can easily produce the pressure to push out the exhaust. With the intake you’re limited on how hard you can pull in air. So, a small intake restriction can make a bigger difference in power.
@Turbogto_guy
@Turbogto_guy Жыл бұрын
I just wonder if Steve already knew all that. I haven’t built any 4500hp motors so I don’t feel comfortable trying to tell him how to do something. But maybe you are ahead of him and build 6000hp street engines. I dunno 🤷‍♂️
@visa5175
@visa5175 Жыл бұрын
Exhaust makes super big difference in boosted cars when making big hp. there can be like 10% gains or more by increasing from 3 inch to 3.5 inch in 700-800 hp range this with about 3liter 6cyl engine. enough backpressure and it makes impossible to get more hp or boostpressure. intake, exhaust both can be total bottleneck
@statementleaver8095
@statementleaver8095 Жыл бұрын
Cough cough.......Exhaust valves 🙊🙊🙊 Intake limited by cubic capacity air volume per Ignition cycle Naturally Aspirated and Turbocharged/Supercharged all have intake and exhaust valves to start/stop Pressure for engine cycle So Flow restrictions are created by manufacturers for Economical issues in Exhaust systems
@Turbogto_guy
@Turbogto_guy Жыл бұрын
@@statementleaver8095 so you think Steve kept stock size exhaust valves? You know this isn’t his first rodeo?
@statementleaver8095
@statementleaver8095 Жыл бұрын
@@Turbogto_guy No he said his m8 made the exhaust Half manifold size = Pressure remains the same. *Must for Combustion cycle* Flow(speed air) is more due to half manifold size restricting exhaust Creating Back Pressure improving Torque
@flexch2011
@flexch2011 Жыл бұрын
I love the video I always wondered what the difference would be in horsepower and torque with open headers vs close headers & Air filter vs no air filter and all that kind of stuff , basically all the difference is that can be from Street to strip , also the difference in ⛽' s too.... So Thanks Steve & staff... 💯👍🏼. 💕It
@williamdundon9770
@williamdundon9770 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the time again teaching us about these situations. Now that drag and drive are getting so popular this deals with those issues I’ve often wondered about for street driving these crazy engines.
@TK-fp5fp
@TK-fp5fp Жыл бұрын
It's great watching you go through the trouble shooting process and come to a conclusion and a recommendation for your customers. You're a good man Steve 👍
@gordonstarship
@gordonstarship Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Interesting to see the effects of the full exhaust
@pattys409
@pattys409 Жыл бұрын
I love learning and I appreciate you showing us not only how its built but how its turned. Thanks again
@bryanluntz1603
@bryanluntz1603 Жыл бұрын
Good to see Ya Steve Nice little Hotrod Amazing the power loss between filter n exhaust Quick story Had a Hondo Flat-bottom with a Mondello built 40over 455 with thru transom exhaust A great turn key 65mph Ski boat Took it out Started running bad Brought it home Changed plugs n wires Still run'n bad Check this n that Traced out wiring harness Pulled a compression check Fuel was fresh Changed HEI distributor and coil No change Pulled the motor Thought the cam went Changed cam Old one looked fine Dropped the motor back in Had thru transom exhaust Could hear motor laboring on the right bank Had about 2ft of 3" reinforced rubber hose between the exhaust manifold and transom Just for the heck of it decided to change the exhaust hoses Pulled the old out Something looked funny inside The right side 3" exhaust hose had delaminated inside Even with water thru the exhaust the inside of hose would blister when the hose warmed from exhaust heat Caused significant back pressure Couldn't believe it All that work Hard learned lesson
@wideslammer
@wideslammer Жыл бұрын
It was interesting to see the effect of changing the air filter and/or the exhaust on the performance. Thanks for taking us along on the journey.
@dougn6465
@dougn6465 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are NEVER boring. You’ve become my favorite KZbinr. Watch every video from start to end the same day they come out. Only creator I do that with. Thanks for all the great info.
@timmiller5746
@timmiller5746 Жыл бұрын
Airaid synthaflow filters for turbos. Tested by Engine Masters only a couple hp loss on a 1200hp engine.
@leonhosie3053
@leonhosie3053 Жыл бұрын
It's never boring with flames out the headers!!! thanks for all your content Steve 😊
@adammizell6227
@adammizell6227 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always Steve. Others have asked about the surface area of the filter and that's what I was wondering as well.
@bikerboy636t
@bikerboy636t Жыл бұрын
Yes on it. Put on a bull horn with two big air filters or two bells. 400 hp gain.
@lewismocaby3646
@lewismocaby3646 Жыл бұрын
As always,great video and great info. Halfway expected to see some sort of air filter on this episode resembling the SLP filter like my Trans Ams have due to having to get around all the frontal area of the radiator and trans cooler or for you to show us how you’d lay the radiator back. I do like the idea of splitting them to obtain the same result, might have to look into a similar setup for one of mine when it gets a big block so I’d be able to use up the room behind the bumper more efficiently. Again, great video and great work. Hoping Dewey gets a really cool shirt designed for him.
@jordantrujillo293
@jordantrujillo293 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting comparisons with the exhaust and intake, thanks for doing the work to get us some real world numbers
@johnmattos1475
@johnmattos1475 Жыл бұрын
Steve your one of the best engine builders out there so thank you for taking the time to show us how these monsters are built and the knowledge you share with us.
@saleen367
@saleen367 Жыл бұрын
That filter is obviously limited by CFM. Not nearly enough sq in of surface area to filter the needed CFM for 1400hp. I could see that coming and was surprised it wasn't worse.
@RadDadisRad
@RadDadisRad Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised it didn’t collapse the filter.
@BrickNewton
@BrickNewton Жыл бұрын
Check out the size of the filters Gale Banks uses
@RonniePTexan
@RonniePTexan Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Surface area is king with filters. Also turbo/gear driven turbos like this are extremely sensitive to intake restrictions
@ic3p1k
@ic3p1k Жыл бұрын
I’m really curious about the velocity and volume of the air. The figures must be astronomical.
@wilsonjohn9766
@wilsonjohn9766 Жыл бұрын
@@RonniePTexan It’s not a turbo.
@joshkeasler512
@joshkeasler512 10 ай бұрын
Im here for the welding critics comments. Hats off to a guy building his own car
@DaveDaveson
@DaveDaveson Жыл бұрын
The thing people forget with air resistance is that it obeys a square law. That means if you double airspeed/flow you quadruple resistance. Air resistance or drag is the result of air hitting the object crating resistance. Now that might be the shell of a car moving the air out of the way so it can drive or it might be the structure of a filter which is squeezing air through tiny little holes. When you are working out the match it doesn't actually matter if its the air that's moving or the object so thee calculations for a stationary air filter are pretty much the same its always 0.5 x the drag coefficient of the object x cross sectional area of the object (perpendicular to direction of airflow.) x density of the air x the velocity of the air squared. That last bit is the real kicker here. The density, the cross section and the drag coefficient are all constants, its the speed of the air that fucks you up because its a square function. It sounds odd, 2x the speed 2x the resistance right but no, 2x the speed and the resistance goes up 4 times! Think about it for a moment though at it makes sense. 1. The air is trying to get past the obstruction twice as fast so is hitting things with twice as much energy. 2. If the air is going twice as fast it means you have twice the amount of air hitting it in any given period of time. So you have twice the amount of air hitting the object and its hitting with twice the amount of energy. 3x airspeed 9x resistance, 5 times the air speed and 25x the resistance. The faster you what the air to move past/through something the exponentially harder it gets.
@jimmyp1145
@jimmyp1145 Жыл бұрын
Sir ur son is one lucky kid too have a dad like u yall rock 100
@BassManBobBassCovers
@BassManBobBassCovers Жыл бұрын
So cool! Didn't know the DARE shirt was the wifes idea. I've seen quite a few people wearing them on various channels.
@jacklougheed4561
@jacklougheed4561 Жыл бұрын
The more I see exhaust test videos the more I believe that as long as you have a collector on the header it doesn’t really matter what you do, the window for making power is pretty big. Header bash, full exhaust, mufflers, bends, diameter, unless you are intentionally trying to lose power, you can’t mess it up to bad.
@geoffreyveale7715
@geoffreyveale7715 Жыл бұрын
Being a turbo engine, as long as the exhaust restriction does not prevent the turbo getting up to max boost the peak HP should be almost the same. Power will closely relate to boost pressure and rpm on a given engine. The extra back pressure, as seen in the video, can also help low end torque by stopping excess cylinder charge from escaping out the exhaust ports. Results may vary engine to engine, depending on the cam used and the sizing of the turbo. Low exhaust restriction will allow the turbo to spool up faster which is good at launch on the drag strip. Excessive restriction may throttle the turbo so much that it cannot get to the nominated boost pressure. High exhaust pressures will also increase temperatures through the exhaust system which is not so good.
@taylorsrus9543
@taylorsrus9543 Жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyveale7715 This isnt a turbo.
@kamurray67
@kamurray67 Жыл бұрын
Professor Morris teaching those that already knows it all! Great lecture once again!
@davidbilliter5619
@davidbilliter5619 Жыл бұрын
Learned my lesson on air restriction a few years back . FYI, its not just on big hp boosted engines, lol. I built a cruiser with an ls3 long block , a small cam I speced out , a dual plane gmpp carb intake, and a fast ez efi TB . Plan was to build my 72 camaro to be able to cruise long range , but still outrun the new crop of pony cars . I expected to run high 11s w ac, ps, pb, overdrive trans , and 3.42 gears . I rigged up a cold air intake using a well known companies low profile bonnet . Went to my local track to test the cam setup because it was outside the norm for the gen 4 engine. Car fell in its face at 5400 rpms and ran 12.4 at 109 ! I was pretty upset to say the least. Long story short, I decided to change the cold air setup for a regular 14 inch breather . With no other changes , the car went 11.65 at 119 , and pulled hard past 7200rpms w a cam w only 220 at .050 intake duration ! I take great pains to make sure I don't restrict the intake side in any build I do now .
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 Жыл бұрын
Damn nice car! And it's refreshing to see a street driven caged car that actually has CAGE PADDING, drives me nuts seeing so many people drive around on the street with a cage without ANY kind of protection from it at all. Literally a fender bender could cause your death if your dome bounces off of solid steel cage. Cage padding is still meant to protect your helmeted head, it isn't exactly rated for your raw dome, but it's a hell of a lot better than headbutting a steel tube. What a cool street car, that looks like a fun combo! TBH, that exhaust seems OK for street use, with the side cut outs may not be an issue at all for cruising. I dig it!
@iansprojects3081
@iansprojects3081 Жыл бұрын
I like going back and rewatching videos because I find some new pieces of info I missed the first time because u stick so much good knowledge in these videos so thank u sir
@jayknight139
@jayknight139 Жыл бұрын
Definitely not boring. This is poetry and I want more.
@ediefreddie5438
@ediefreddie5438 Жыл бұрын
Man I’m so used to skipping the first few min of a videos bc of all the fluff but you usually just jump right in. I appreciate it
@Caleb.Casias
@Caleb.Casias Жыл бұрын
Loving these videos man, I’m learning so much each video. Keep it up!
@donanything6816
@donanything6816 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Steve. Another great session. 👍
@SteveTheBeardedWonder
@SteveTheBeardedWonder Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I've always been curious about the restrictions in intake filters and exhaust.
@chrisrugg9800
@chrisrugg9800 Жыл бұрын
Finally some Dyno Science!!!! It’s amazing how much performance is gained/lost at this horsepower. Would love to see a version of this for the Wagon SMX.
@shawnmcatee895
@shawnmcatee895 Жыл бұрын
The bell would be more effective if it had more room to the radiator. The issue isn't the heat off the rad, it's the lack of space between the rad and the bell, which is why it ran a tiny bit harder without the bell. That air cleaner will be fine on the street, but the area of the element isn't anywhere near big enough to flow what's necessary for massive HP. What would be interesting is the AFR when the filter is in place. One other thing that would be interesting is that "cold air" setup with a couple bells on those intakes, unobstructed by the radiator.
@gazza116
@gazza116 Жыл бұрын
air cleaners are a necessary evil if you see how quick an engine can be dusted .
@amazeddude1780
@amazeddude1780 Жыл бұрын
I have been a big fan of K&N for over 40 years. That being said, the filter on the Nova is woefully undersized. I can imagine the suction was strong enough to pull oil out of the gauze filter media.
@SaltyDogPerformance
@SaltyDogPerformance Жыл бұрын
I tried to explain air restriction to jet ski guys that use pre filter socks and they claim it doesn’t restrict air flow. ANY type of air filter will restrict air flow. It’s just a matter of balancing out how much you are willing to sacrifice in power to make sure you don’t suck something into the charger/turbo.
@CJ5EVOLUTION
@CJ5EVOLUTION Жыл бұрын
You/he can get one of those big diesel air filters from Banks, and put a elbow from the procharger down and under the radiator, with the filter right under the radiator or pointing to the ground depending how much space there is, note as well he will make a lot of less power once he has the hood on the car and that engine is sucking all that hot air, it will be wiser to make that test as well with a fully warmed up engine and the hood on, then you can see how much power it dropped due to the hot air intake.
@Steve69SS396
@Steve69SS396 Жыл бұрын
I've got the same Hogan's billet intake/intercooler on my F2 Procharged E85 427 smallblock.
@rogerperez5352
@rogerperez5352 Жыл бұрын
Awesome tuning performance advice.
@brentbarclay9990
@brentbarclay9990 Жыл бұрын
Super cool seeing you test the different combinations.
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 Жыл бұрын
10👍's up Steve Morris thank you for sharing
@scottgarmon4865
@scottgarmon4865 Жыл бұрын
I build a tt c5 vette that still had the stock mufflers on it, it picked up almost 200 rwhp installing electric cutouts. I see guys running big centrifugal blowers with tiny air filter on them all the time because cramped engine compartments, sometimes they will pick up 4 lbs of boost just taking the filter off.
@georgiastreettruck4495
@georgiastreettruck4495 Жыл бұрын
He needs every horsepower to haul those bulky cage welds around. Sheeesh.
@rpmfabrication801
@rpmfabrication801 Жыл бұрын
Have noticed on alot of customers cars the supercharged setups struggle with any inlet restrictions more than turbo set-ups
@pknlpr
@pknlpr Жыл бұрын
Your channel is not boring. I and others look forward to watching them. Oh, got one of your shirts and it was very nice, and very good quality. Thank you.
@stevemorrisracing
@stevemorrisracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@dalelyons4366
@dalelyons4366 Жыл бұрын
Great tech Steve ..always learning watching your videos. Cheers 🇬🇧
@nicklong3279
@nicklong3279 Жыл бұрын
Dewey always has to be on camera 😂
@saucetheprophet6208
@saucetheprophet6208 Жыл бұрын
only haters think this content is boring. this sum of the coolest engine content on youtube
@im_ur_huckleberry8998
@im_ur_huckleberry8998 Жыл бұрын
Great video brother!! II'm glad Cleetus decided to go with your engines!
@clstjam4321
@clstjam4321 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if a filter with more surface area would prove better. That one looked like a stubby but it could have just been the camera angle.
@nickcollins1528
@nickcollins1528 Жыл бұрын
I think I have a bigger air filter 0n my 2.5 l vw golf
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda Жыл бұрын
A larger filter would make an improvement but you'll never match the bell. Not a concern for street driving anyways, he still has double the power he needs for the highway portion with the restriction.
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
Are you really curious if a more surface area = more CFM. I think we can take that as given.
@clstjam4321
@clstjam4321 Жыл бұрын
@@krusher74 No, it was more a question of the actual size of the filter. I only saw it end on and not upright. So I had no perspective of how long or round it actually was.
@woofersd2383
@woofersd2383 Жыл бұрын
This is just amazing technology for me. Currently I’m hot rodding my F150 Ecoboost 3.5. Exhaust, intake, is already on. Intercooler with improved hot and cold side pipes, is on the way. Goal is running E-30. (94 octane) Hoping for something close to 400HP, and 500 TQ. Oh Catch can also on the way. Thank You for helping push me forward.
@mattwood3773
@mattwood3773 Жыл бұрын
Remember educational youtube vids won't get the cleeter views. It will get a set of hard core guys who love this shit so dont stop. Keep it coming man
@jasonblack8639
@jasonblack8639 Жыл бұрын
Engine Masters Steve style. Really enjoyed the different runs and seeing what everything changes. Another great video!
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
yeah! apart from engine masters is still testing stuff from the 80's!
@mikea1893
@mikea1893 Жыл бұрын
I would us a k&n kit for a descale truck cold air kit to feet it the filters are twice as big there made for tubes and it would draw the air from a cooler place . I have found a heat gun works wonders to reshape the plastic also.
@thailor
@thailor Жыл бұрын
the things I would do to work around this capacity of knowledge, your team is amazing Steve, your head is a goldmine, never sell short brother.
@bryanhammond7783
@bryanhammond7783 Жыл бұрын
Steve, that filter had a flat face, what about the pod filters with the inverted front cone that also let's air in. That amazed me that the car lost 400hp by installing a filter. Great video as usual, love the variety of content from week to week. Can't wait to see you send that Wagon on a 5 second pass. 👍👍
@justinjones5288
@justinjones5288 Жыл бұрын
Needs a banks big azz filter
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
i'm not amazed that little filter cant flow the CFM needed for 1400hp.
@FastSS02
@FastSS02 Жыл бұрын
Look at it again. It has the inverted cone on the front, it is not flat and closed off. You can see it on the tool box behind him as he's explaining the weird rev up. You have to look close as he puts it on to see the cone as it's plastic for most of the front. It needs to be a much larger diameter since it's forcing the supercharger to pull the air from the sides vs just sucking in from the front.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 Жыл бұрын
That was cool and interesting, with the different setups tried in direct comparisons. With the filter, though, I run bigger ones on N/A 2 litres. Depending on the packing constraints, it may be possible to fabricate a housing to slip over the blower intake that mounts a 14/16" NASCAR spec filter, maybe even doubled up, to get enough filter area it isn't too much of a restriction. Gale banks has some relevant and worth reading comments on filters - he tends to overspec' them, even with a mere 1000hp diesel. With the mufflers - remember, the primaries are only carrying exhaust gas maybe 180/720 degrees of crank rotation as an average peak flow, but the mufflers are flowing 2x720/720. How it's plumbed - which looks kinda twisty - sized, and most important the muffler design characteristics, are all going to affect the power/torque. There will always be a loss, but a re-map may bring some of it back. Easy enough to do when swapping over the cut-outs.
@TiaShaw.
@TiaShaw. Жыл бұрын
Love the vids! Always makes me smile to see the Doggo Doing work
@piercer4882
@piercer4882 Жыл бұрын
Every 90° bend in piping is equivalent to ~5-7 feet of straight pipe.. give or take a little bit, depending on the material used, surface smoothness, and bend radius.. so it is very easy to make restrictive intake/exhaust.
@caymccarp34
@caymccarp34 Жыл бұрын
I had a small filter like that on my turbo 2.0. The tuner said first thing we need to do is replace that filter. I replaced it with a 10 or 12" cone filter. Must of gave it some more cfm's by doing that.
@Roberto-vx3it
@Roberto-vx3it Жыл бұрын
Love the channel and seeing you adapt to the new format. Could you please explain what's happening on a pull when the car torques up & down? Rob from Canada
@seahorse5677
@seahorse5677 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the driveshaft and rear axle/differential but without control arms fastening it to the chassis. The tires would roll forward and flip the axle underneath the car and snap the driveshaft in half. With proper control arm geometry for drag racing (upwards of 300% anti-squat), under power the axle will be forced frontward the chassis will be popped upward. The lower links are being compressed, causing the upper links to push the chassis upward.
@nickl3872
@nickl3872 Жыл бұрын
Love learning, thank you
@krazeemazee
@krazeemazee Жыл бұрын
the way i see it is the filter flutes disrupt the swirl effect into the blower mouth.... the bell improves the swirl effect... i would run a extension and T setup utilising two filters out the sides
@xSOxCALxFIENDx
@xSOxCALxFIENDx Жыл бұрын
Steve as dumb as this may sound i never had someone to teach me about motors or anything mechanical. I'm not the only one on here I'm sure. Between work and a major lack of motivation for a long time plus the year of 2020, I lost my interest in working on my vehicles , but watching your videos it's sparked my interest again I appreciate you Steve. I don't have anything high horsepower but I am proud of my 02 durango and my 96 eclipse gs and my 97 gst. I had all but given up on my gst til I started watching your videos. I appreciate the content and knowledge Steve.
@Gkvello22
@Gkvello22 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic video with some great learning points. Really surprised to the fat welds on the cage
@badgermetal
@badgermetal Жыл бұрын
That little filter has a big flat top that probably blocks all the flow right in the center where you need it most. Its like the opposite of a velocity stack.
@squirel6025
@squirel6025 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the content always learning from ya and your dog reminds me of my boy dog following me around the shop always getting his nose into my business.
@shane49520
@shane49520 Жыл бұрын
#1 most informative channel on youtube, I learn something new every video!
@stevemorrisracing
@stevemorrisracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@stevelacker358
@stevelacker358 Жыл бұрын
When the restriction is at the very entrance to the intake system, the absolute limit is atmospheric pressure to push air thru the filter. Even if the supercharger or turbo could pull a perfect vacuum on the back side of the filter. It can’t pull a perfect vacuum, so there’s actually much less than atmospheric pressure (~14 psi) across the filter.
@Popomomox
@Popomomox Жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve... great video.
@skinnyWHITEgoyim
@skinnyWHITEgoyim Жыл бұрын
When I first started learning about horsepower I had a mechanic tell me to just think of an engine as an air pump. The more air in and out the more power is possible.
@MrShakotan
@MrShakotan Жыл бұрын
What about a mesh turbo guard style filter? For keeping rocks out. Does the full exhaust being a bit restricted matter? Being that would be for street mode. 1000hp with the filter on would still be enough to wick the tyres on the street. Could also be a easy way of making it more street safe.
@54inches
@54inches Жыл бұрын
My guess is the muffler that far rearward does not affect horsepower or sound like many think. With that said, it also depends on the diameter of the pipes from the headers to the mufflers....
@lepermessiyah5823
@lepermessiyah5823 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how an exhaust affects a turbo car, as everything Ive been taught about them is flow is better, right from the dump pipe. Given this application is a supercharged deal, it does make sense that it wouldnt restrict as much and makes torque gains from back pressure scavenging.
@SSLaser92436
@SSLaser92436 Жыл бұрын
If there is room to run a filter over the velocity stack, that test would be interesting. Might even be a filter on the market with velocity stack made into the base. Used to run a lot of turbo street cars with that set up. Even though I agree with everyone in the comments. That filter is just to small in this case. We ran huge conical filters on turbo 4cyl street cars. Some cold air set ups and others just pulling from under the hood. Always interesting to see tests like this.
@brandonburdette7895
@brandonburdette7895 Жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting on the air filter and the exhaust I mean for driving on the street having the full exhaust is pretty awesome
@marcusroussy9271
@marcusroussy9271 Жыл бұрын
I watched another show on here, where this guy who basically makes performance parts was showing a filter around the size of the you are using and the one he recomended for performance vechicles and it around 3-4xs as large it had way more surface area for the filter to suck in air with out restriction. sorta of looked like the ones on the big desil cummins trucks that have a turbo and huge stacks
@n7565j
@n7565j Жыл бұрын
Remember "Debbie does Dallas"??? How bout "Dewey does SM Engines", with him marking an SMX crate 🙂
@darincarter7098
@darincarter7098 Жыл бұрын
Detective Morris is your honorary title. Love the content. Never Boring!
@dumbestoyster
@dumbestoyster Жыл бұрын
I would actually enjoy creating an intake/filter for that supercharger that robbed the least amount of horsepower for street use… that's the kind of goofy fab I like to do.
@timhill9347
@timhill9347 Жыл бұрын
We need a “I’m gonna think about that “ t shirt 😂
@D1XGXP
@D1XGXP Жыл бұрын
Procharger told me, they require a giant filter with good cfm so it doesn’t kill as much power with it on. S&b & green filter are some of the top flowing air filters on the market. Try them and see how they compare to a vibrant one
@wbr7869
@wbr7869 Жыл бұрын
I was going to comment but then I thought, open mouth insert foot!!! So great job Steve!
@scottbutler2761
@scottbutler2761 Жыл бұрын
Steve I love your customer service
@shanebezooyen-rn2ih
@shanebezooyen-rn2ih Жыл бұрын
Love the videos. Just a thought on the air filter how hard would it be to add a map sensor between the filter and supercharger to see if the loss in pressure lines up with the loss of hp?
@Bill-flatplanefool
@Bill-flatplanefool Жыл бұрын
I think while the bell should make more power everywhere being that close to the radiator made it start to choke flow out in the big end.
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