STEVEN CROWDER V BEN SHAPIRO TURNS NUCLEAR

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@seanbinkley7363]

Next they'll be calling each other "woke" 😂😂😂

[@bumblebeeyellowdragon]

You're woke.

[@seanbinkley7363]

@@bumblebeeyellowdragon OMG…How will I ever recover from that?? 🤣🤣🤣

[@seanbinkley7363]

@@bumblebeeyellowdragon My God…I’m shattered…🤣🤣🤣

[@bumblebeeyellowdragon]

@@seanbinkley7363 You won't. I've owned you so bad you'll be crippled emotionally for life. Something something triggered lib.

[@AlbertoGarcia-yb4ih]

Lol, I know right. They will both claim that they are more woke than the other, even though neither of them are actually woke! 😂

[@robertwang2788]

"Amazon workers who want to unionize are just lazy." "YOU'RE ONLY PAYING ME 50 MILLION? THIS IS WAGE SLAVERY"

[@isaiahkayode6526]

The Nerve of this Man is Unreal.

[@ConstantVigil]

‘Don’t you just love it when the left eat their own?’ - Steven Crowder

[@icheko2498]

Steven thinks he is calling them out on foul play. Which is different from what the left does sometimes. But you are correct it's petty and funny to see. Guess his words come back to bite them in the ass.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

"Oh Sam Seder what a fucking nightmare!"- Steven crowder.

[@alexeilindes7507]

'I have a much smaller penis then Ben Shapiro! If that's even possible!' - me

[@thelemurofmadagascar9183]

Personally I love it when any political pundit eats their own side. Whether they're on the left or right. They're all hypocrites and deserve to be held to their own standards.

[@KazeShikamaru]

@@thelemurofmadagascar9183 Preach.

[@lauromartinez8948]

Krystal Ball has the best quote in all this saga : “Steven Crowder should form a collective and seize the means of media production.”

[@Sid00077]

Steven probably got insulted because he was expecting a Joe Rogan contract but he got the Call her Daddy contract instead.

[@Domzdream]

😂😂….’her’ contract ….

[@Neojhun]

@@Domzdream Sofia Franklyn and Alexandra Cooper

[@sgreen11379]

they need to go with rumble only

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Steven really was delusional that he is anywhere close to Joe Rogan on a talent level.

[@Name-zd2nb]

Dudes lucky anybody will call him at all lol. Seems like the biggest douche nowadays

[@YIGlz]

The fact that Steven said he was doing this for "the movement" but then proceeded to counter offer 🤣

[@sawtooth808]

Is he though? Is Steven Chowder _really_ doing this “for the movement”

[@canaan5337]

He is doing it for the movement of the numbers in his bank account in an upward direction.

[@ConsciusVeritasVids]

The only _movement_ Crowder could inspire is a bowel movement.

[@heyitsanthony6366]

you don’t know what the terms of the counter offer were- by virtue of him making a counter offer doesn’t mean it was only the money in his counter -evidently the main component was to remove the “golden handcuffs” and on the recorded phone conversation he stated that’s the only way new talent can bring content to an audience without self censoring to conform to big techs control of narrative. Which if we are being honest is really the narrative foisted by elected or unelected bad faith actors seeking to expand their centralized control. so yes it is all about the “movement”

[@brandonjulius9924]

Did you hear his counter offer…? It was a counter offer consistent if declining being big tech’s bitch. Listen a little more carefully.

[@cartervanmeter]

I still watch clips from Steven's show from time to time, and I immediately assumed this was to launch his own platform. He's been floating the idea of "bringing in new/young talent", AND he has given two of his co- hosts more time solo hosting the show recently. You can tell the framing of his initial video is like "I didn't want to launch my own platform (something that takes a lot of forethought and planning), but maybe that's just what I'll have to do." My theory is that he entered negotiations with The Daily Wire specifically to gather info on them, like what they're paying their talent, how much revenue is needed to pay certain salaries, etc.

[@PixelPigEntertainment]

This was what I was thinking. Didn’t Crowder disclose the 50m deal in a video yesterday and explained why he declined it? From what I gathered it’s not about the money for him this time it’s about making sure companies like DW don’t pull the ladder up after people like Shapiro and crowder, he’s wanting to create a platform for upcoming generations but the contract was designed in nature to play by KZbin’s rules, which are vague and punishing as hell. Kyle doesn’t even like the rules so it’s a given that crowder wouldn’t. They can not like it all they want but it doesn’t make crowder big mad about the payout.

[@matthewa6027]

@thatoneguy7150 I think the real issue here is that crowder was being a hypocrite when discussing his contract. And that he's using this to mask his real intentions of starting his own daily wire. It's the lies upon lies. Can only imagine what his show is filled with.

[@BeardOfRiker]

The amount of money flying around those right wing grifter circles is crazy. The fact that he thinks he can make more than $50 million by going independent is the most shocking part of this.

[@Sid00077]

Over a period of 4-5 years? He probably can. The 50 millions was the base offer, so DW were aware that he was going to ask for more. And with the election season on the horizon, I can certainly see him getting millions of views per episode. 120 millions, on the other hand, was a bit of a stretch. Maybe 60 to 70 millions at max.

[@tmozzz]

50 million dollars over 4 years in 12.5 million dollars a year . If mugclub has 100000 subscribers , that is 10 million a year . That’s without any advertisements . Add in merchandise , and he can absolutely make 12.5 million a year . That being said , daily wire wants KZbin advertisements and also read in ads during the show , about 4 per episode … which if crowder did that independently , can make well over 12.5 million a year

[@tmozzz]

The whole thing is that crowder doesn’t make money from ads on KZbin , and only has two or three advertisers … if he did read in ads with KZbin ads , he can make close to 15-20 mil a year easy if you count merchandise and mugclub

[@hoosier_turtles_and_tortoises]

@@tmozzz5 read ads per show, actually.

[@tmozzz]

@@hoosier_turtles_and_tortoises then 5 it is

[@christiansrensen5958]

"You're a slave to the contract." Yes, Steven. That is what you sign up for. That is literally the purpose of a contract.

[@robinvik1]

Don't you hate it when you get hired for a job and then ALL OF A SUDDEN you now have a 'boss' that keeps telling you what to do? Wtf...

[@StewsReplay]

@@robinvik1wasn’t the point. It’s the penalties, that he can’t control. Demonized content…he doesn’t get paid. He’s using a different money generation vs YT ads which he doesn’t get.

[@robinvik1]

@@StewsReplay Bro, Daily Wire doesn't make money through youtube ads, they have their own sponsors. If Crowder gets banned off youtube, then those sponsors obviously won't pay as much to be on his show. In fact Daily Wire is taking most of the risk here, if Crowder's revenue gets cut 50% due to him getting himself banned for saying the N word or something, his pay doesn't get cut 50%. It only gets cut 25%.

[@StewsReplay]

@@robinvik1 Then why was that in the contract?

[@robinvik1]

@@StewsReplay Probably to stop him from saying the N word lol

[@adrianmachado1200]

These hardcore capitalists always seem to hate when hardcore capitalism happens to them

[@chrishigbie8645]

Sometimes people that get bullied as children turn into bullies as adults. it happens more often than people think. That's all these people are.

[@onnol917]

"no one will ever get me down again" turns into "if I put them down first I am the strong one"

[@chrishigbie8645]

@@onnol917 I'll show them and all that stuff.its kind of tragic like people that ruin their lives because they are not as tall as they would like to be.

[@davidchidester5463]

Crowder is a perfect example of how being a child actor can mess you up.

[@chrishigbie8645]

@@davidchidester5463 was he on something I would recognize because that sounds pretty funny.

[@steventatlock5443]

@@chrishigbie8645 Voice acted the Brain in Arthur for the first few seasons. Not sure his live action career ever took off, hence the homunculus that exists today.

[@Galilelo_Telescope]

I thought Kyle was joking when he said that the ceo of daily wires last name is boring lol.

[@loljk9443]

Boering **

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Well its spelled Boering.

[@AllTimeScary]

At some point you can’t say others are “big tech” when your media company is handing out 50 million dollar contracts 😂 Literally right wing big tech media companies.

[@zaad5273]

Insane. The "I didn't want to do this..." video is already at 1 million views. At the time of writing this, that video came out only 17 hours ago lol

[@CatThwomper]

I mean, the man has over 5 million subscribers, I would expect the video to have that high of a view count.

[@zaad5273]

@@CatThwomper do all the videos in the past year on his channel average 1 million views ? lol the point was to get that many views in less than 24 hours is eye-opening, regardless of how many subs he has

[@neonnothing9809]

I used to think I hated Steve Shives back in the day, just ignored and never wanted to see things about him. And then I found Ben Shapiro. Every atom of my being wants to shoot itself the moment he opens his mouth.

[@whitegirlsaviorcomplex645]

Slow it down a notch there pal. There is no need for anti-semitism on here. If you dont like the guy just leave it at that and move on.

[@jrpone]

Dude my fucking roomate watches Shapiro's ass-crack videos on full volume w/o earphones and I want to scream at the top of my lungs after 5 minutes of hearing his ass-crack chipmunk voice, Like I can tolerate any other Conservative but Shapiro's voice is like hearing fingernails on a chalk board.

[@Ann1ka2425]

@@whitegirlsaviorcomplex645 Satire?

[@jschnabes13]

I really hope it was satire

[@lessonslearned2569]

There is a huge different between a guy who mainly talks about Star Trek and the douchcanoe on helium that is Shapiro.

[@rafaelcomfsemph]

In Brazil we have a saying "between those two i root for the fight"

[@bakerteddy7899]

Man this is why I love Kyle he freaking cracks me up

[@Videogamelover58]

Ikr xD

[@ivyreece9925]

Kyle is hilarious. That video he posted yesterday about the senator wanting people to work more... My god I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

[@islabee94]

Kyle's sense of humour is very underrated

[@alim3611]

i was very surprised at Crowders audience's reaction ..they really feel that the DW is doing him wrong and that he is right to "expose " DW and its connection and support for " Big Tech "

[@EF-fc4du]

No, they think DW is doing other people wrong by incentivizing them to play it safe. The terms of the the initial offer they made to him is simply an indication of the kind of offers they make to others. I mean, he is worth more than what they offered because he brings a huge audience with him that will result in a pretty instant boost in revenue which is easily in the eight figure per year category.

[@puttervids472]

They are helping KZbin suppress speech. Via KZbin rules. They they’d go independent of KZbin ads , they’d have freedoms to speak.

[@alim3611]

@@puttervids472 well then , if they are not happy with KZbin and its TOS , then stay away and maybe develop and create your own social media platform with your own tos

[@madedigital]

i guess you got vax

[@Gabtube252]

His audience is full of antisemites, they already despise Ben Shapiro and the DW.

[@kodiekulp]

This was totally planned by Crowder. And the reason why I think that is because how nervous he was in that video. If he truly believed his claims about being exploited in a contract then I feel like he wouldn't be so shaky and clenching his chest while talking in that first video. Normally when you think you are right about something you have confidence. Despite the fact the idea of an exploitive contract destroying the whole free-market idea that Crowder has espoused many many times trying to suggest that because we have free will that you can enter into a exploitive contract, kind of throws that whole capitalism thing in the toilet that he's been screaming about For years. I do a weekly show my channel about extremism in American politics and religion . And other politicking . And I try to make it funny so we don't cry. Come on by sometime and say hi.

[@chrisdawson9312]

How ironic that Steven crowder telling young cons to come to his platform to become an employee or join his platform somehow isn’t exploitative to him

[@randykrus9562]

Corrupt people arguing about the millions of dollars they think they deserve so that they can continue to lie to ordinary people.

[@ZenCorvus]

How are they corrupt? Are they taking home top secret documents?

[@edm5929]

@@ZenCorvus your an idiot lol 😂

[@JBidensucks]

Steve is corrupted......ya your not even debating lol

[@dustinsindledecker154]

No they are not like trump taking home classified documents.

[@hugegamer5988]

They just work 250 times harder than a hard working average person so deserve it. 😂

[@jackjack121]

The worst part is when he said it's about the movement and not the money. If you were fighting in a war and one of your men gets fatally wounded, would you agree to carry them on your back the whole time or continue fighting without them? This was such a moronic move. And to pretend as if they would be willing to sit down with you after this is beyond silly. He really cant be trusted now.

[@epis8613]

Wow, Candace Owens saying something in public that's true. Never thought I'd see the day.

[@whitketchum]

Right good god. She's right is what hurts most.

[@patmcclung7205]

I think this is the first time I've found myself fully agreeing with something Candace Owens said. Feels weird.

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Nah she’s okay somdtimei

[@cl8804]

You love to see it.

[@jaybirdjetwings7516]

I think she's a paid shill, like I can't imagine her being that dumb and arrogant

[@MAYK1NG]

Well done, guys - good team. Everyone else seems to have missed the true motivation.

[@CatThwomper]

I think what it shows is the fact that this is all just a game.

[@dannytheman1313]

StevenCrowder gives me such I'm telling my dad vibes

[@johnefrederick1590]

Is Crowder going to be Bizarro Dave Reuben and turn to the left 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 We need this guy to lead the labour unions!

[@matthewblackwelder6487]

That would be wild!

[@michaelmorales4554]

A turn no one would see coming

[@nolongerblocked6210]

No we don't. We need intelligent, well spoken & thought out & people who truly care about the little man. Crowder is none of those things

[@Tchado1000]

Even the wwe can't write a heel/face turn that good !

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

He’s gonna be like “I hate the Jews so we need socialism”

[@robertbrowne7880]

Steven wants Dave Chappelle money for putting on a puppet show.

[@andrewjames3579]

I don’t know about y’all, but this excites me.

[@seanbinkley7363]

Same!

[@ZenCorvus]

Ya go communism we need more of it to win. Anytime those for low taxes and rights fight, you should cheer because bigger government might happen. And then you don't need to think anymore! Not like you did.

[@CatThwomper]

@@ZenCorvus If you want communism, look at the Holodomor. Look at Communist Russia. My family had to deal with communism, and it was terrible. If you actually want communism, you're not thinking.

[@andrewjames3579]

@@ZenCorvus you might as well have said “go theocracy” because that’s what you’re going for. We aren’t against the idea of lower taxes etc, we’re against the people who pretend to represent those ideas.

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Candace is so fire when she’s on point, she just said “this is a complete bitch move” and it was 1000% facts

[@Cancellator5000]

Yeah, you can see why people that agree with her love her for sure.

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

@@Cancellator5000 I saw her DJ Akademiks interview and it was pretty hard to dislike her tbh

[@sharplyopinion8ted249]

Well of course $65,000 plus a day is slave wages. I think Crowder realizes that he will automatically have their videos demonetized because of the language he uses. The more they fight the more I laugh!

[@hugegamer5988]

Well it’s just one banana, how much could it cost $10? *after 2026 change meme to $100 to stay relevant.

[@sharplyopinion8ted249]

@@hugegamer5988 How right you are, so after 2026 Whiner Crowder might only be able to afford 6 thousand 5 hundred bananas a day. Starvation wages for a chimp like him!

[@tokilladaemon]

It may be a silly thing to say about people who are literally about to get married, but man Kyle and krystal have such great chemistry when they're discussing this type of thing

[@ClickClack_Bam]

Yea them being leftists & taking pleasure in bashing the right is just so talented of them.

[@zellamo4663]

Literally or figuratively?

[@GHOSTPLANEtable]

Crazy how Stevens rhetoric sounds like he's advocating for his losses being subsidized by the company he works for. So he's pro welfare state but everybody else should be accountable and have no safety net whatsoever. Crowder is literally advocating for his own welfare state while making a career saying oh well if you lose half your audience than you lose half your money too bad that's a free market. And that is why Steven is a see you next Tuesday

[@brandonwhite4992]

Everything here, the actual situation, and the banter here is hilarious 😂😂

[@xq8152]

This reminds me of George Costanza wanting Ted Danson money. I'm sure his father getting involved and is behind all this.

[@plumbus813]

A very important fact to remember: Crowder had to give up his email list when he left the Blaze. He's got nothing, this is a ploy to rebuild an audience.

[@MovieEggman]

Like Hitler Vs Mussolini Like Al Capone Vs Pablo Escobar Like Trump Vs DeSantis

[@eliezertorres9236]

Man, to listen to Krystal on these videos is the cutest damn thing, love these two

[@JamesCourse66]

This infighting amongst the ultra conservatives is just… wonderful. Best news this week!

[@sawtooth808]

🍿🍿

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

@@sawtooth808 get the popcorn ma boys, les watch together

[@noexempty3869]

You don't know what ultra conservative means....so far left all perpective is lost

[@Gil172]

This is why Democrats will always win in the long run unfortunately lol.

[@ZenCorvus]

Ultra mega for left Anymore cartoon adjectives to use?

[@cadeucescombatvet8650]

I can't believe I'm defending Crowder but even if the contract was 50 million bones. That contract was still hella shady. 👀 The fact that DW would absorb Crowder's content and back catalog and merchandise cut if he signed that is insane. Especially that they would keep that shit even if the contract was severed. And if we really look at the penalties in that contract, it's clear DW takes almost none of the risk and benefits greatly from absorbing his fan base and clicks he generates.

[@deadeyedarwin]

Yeah, so then he could just no sign it.

[@vincentrobert5697]

@@deadeyedarwin which is why the daily wire is being childish

[@Matt-cr4vv]

That isn’t true. They had the rights to his back catalog during the term of the contract which reverted back to him once the contract was done. They would own the content that is created during the term of the contract which is completely normal. The merchandise they’d make and sell during the term they’d get the revenue from because it’s part of what encompasses the fee they’re paying him. The only things they retained after the end of the contract are the things that are created during the term of the contract which is the way it works for every contract like this. And as is noted this was an initial offer sheet that he could negotiate which he refused to do. Crowders expectation was that DW pay him a guaranteed sum of money no matter what revenue his show generates and that all content they pay to make be owned by him so that he can then monetize it in perpetuity without investing anything into it while the company who did invest in it don’t. Crowder expected that DW take all the overhead risks to pay him for his show, including the risk that the show generate no revenue at all, and then he keep everything they paid for. He wanted the benefits of investor without any of the risks the investor incurs. That isn’t how it works anywhere and I can guarantee you that his expectations of what his contract should be won’t be how he writes any contracts for anybody who creates content for him.

[@Nichomachean5]

He wants a contract without "enforcement"? LMAO! That's precious

[@davidcaldera1353]

This is the most vanilla contract I’ve ever seen 😂 point to where the exploitation is Steven??? 🤣

[@ladychelseatheundead]

Steven doesn't understand, when you get to the $50M mark for compensation, people literally don't give a fuck about any of your complaints. They'll keep watching the DW and he can try to do something else, but people aren't going to see this as a bombshell nor do they give a shit about how you feel like a slave to a company whilst making $50M

[@b.m.4066]

Well considering he has to pay for his own production cost the salaries of 25 to 30 employees Camry equipment, studio equipment, everything that goes along with the show as well as mountains of legal fees out of that 12.5 million a year It all gets chipped away pretty fast, especially when you consider the fact that he was bringing almost 200 million in revenue over the course of those four years with new subscriptions

[@nathanielchieffallo4273]

@@b.m.4066 Nah he was being given access to DW studios, plus he already has all of that equipment himself. He's just being unreasonable tbh

[@ladychelseatheundead]

@@b.m.4066 Just FYI, I pay for the salaries of 30 people and I personally don't even make $1M/year (and my business makes less that 5M), but go on.

[@ladychelseatheundead]

@@b.m.4066 And the reason he was offered 50 MILLION dollars was because of the pull he brought in. What I'm saying is that for the layperson, it's hard to sympathize with a 50M paycheck, and when you get to those numbers, he sounds like a whiner who took this public at first proposal when it should have been a private business discussion. It's a publicity stunt that's a bad look. People will follow him, but those who are versed in business know this was a bitch move.

[@b.m.4066]

@@ladychelseatheundead none of that changes the fact when you're bringing in almost 200 million and only getting paid 50 out of that plus a shitload of penalties is not a good deal. Not to mention, I would be willing to wager significant money that his average employees salary as well as his legal fees are considerably higher than yours

[@ricodelavega4511]

not surprising, his show is mostly mean spirited, so is H3H3 on the other side.

[@TMMx]

$120 million is more than half of what Spotify gave Joe Rogan. The Daily Wire does not have the same money as Spotify, and Steven Crowder is not half as valuable as Joe Rogan, so if that's what Crowder was asking for, he was being absolutely absurd.

[@nickadt]

I think this is actually Kyle and Krystal pillow talk. Or perhaps foreplay.

[@Boredasfuck29]

Ew

[@WelcomeToTwinklePark]

I'm entirely against censorship. That being said, if Crowder was to sign this contract I think it would be hilarious if immediately people started to flag him so he lost revenue

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

Now that we know that for all the knobs at DW, flag away! They lose money lol

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

@@HockeyTownHooligan5 I mean, flag away, but flag fairly. DW thread relatively fine but they still commit a few flaggable errors here and there

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

No it would go against daily wire

[@palehorse7377]

rightwing crowder fans SHOCKED to learn what capitalism is... "this is what Ive been voting for all these years?" one remarked. "I still oppose you making $15hr, though" said Cleetus Mcdubber. "But Steven definitely deserves more than the $65,000 a day they offered him." how much do you earn cleetus? "shit I make $12hr changing oil at the walmart."

[@giampysacco7145]

KYLE YOU’RE ALMOST AT A MILLION SUBSCRIBERS !!!!! BIG CONGRATS !!!

[@CheeseyMilkshakes]

He’s been close to a mill for like a year lmao

[@nolongerblocked6210]

@@CheeseyMilkshakes I thought it was like 2yrs

[@ZenCorvus]

Well I sure won't be helping with this quest for a million

[@theethanatorem]

@@ZenCorvus thanks for commenting and boosting engagement :)

[@alonsofrancescutti4956]

@@CheeseyMilkshakes he gained 10k in the last 2/3 months after almost six month of stagnation. Decent improvment.

[@jca9417]

Why is this even important ? Secular talk is just a gossip TMZ channel now !!! Kyle just talks about what trends on Twitter and he cries about why he can't reach 1 million subs. 😂

[@FamilyTuned]

Neither the of those clowns are worth $20, never mind $50 million

[@VinceTrau]

Crowder is the type of snake that gets ahead in this world. It's not enough and baby will have a tantrum

[@BryanBMusic]

Not Kyle saying “spilling the tea” lmfao

[@trock6921]

This whole thing is very revealing into Crowder’s character.

[@allysonbeaulieu7351]

the girls are fightingggg

[@bumblebeeyellowdragon]

Don't compare these clowns to girls.

[@thehotyounggrandpas8207]

50 million? That's more than I earn in a year as a bricklayer!

[@DR-hy6is]

"Consequences are oppression! We are tired of the leftwing snowflakes!" - Rightwingers

[@CantyBloke]

I am amazed how many of Crowder's followers hold the stance it's not about money it is about the penalties. What are these penalties? Less money. If he wanted to have free speech he could he would just make less money.

[@brittanymccracken9959]

The fact that that is not a big deal to you is the problem. Stop catering to big tech. We need people who are going to report on topics truthfully without watering it down. I don't care to listen to anyone who is willing to sell or water down their voices ,opinions or morals to appease Big Tech for 50+ million.

[@CantyBloke]

@@brittanymccracken9959 I have known for the past ten years that everything on youtube is watered down. Seems like this drama might be the first time much of Crowder's audience realized this. Daily wire has their non watered down content behind the pay wall like everyone else. That is the current business model.

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@brittanymccracken9959 you bunch of "capitalists" really seem to dislike when companies do CAPITALISM, lmao hysterical

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@CantyBloke exactly lol all DW was basically saying to him was "when you do free content you have to be marginally less racist, keep the really crazy racism for the paywall". I don't know how his idiot fans don't understand this

[@brittanymccracken9959]

There is truth in that but I wonder, how much longer are we going to tolerate it? Why stay complacent in it? In my opinion, this is what Steven is trying to shed light on and the fact that everyone wants to look at the money and act like he's either greedy or a fool because he doesn't agree with penalizing someone for upsetting left leaning media/tech "overlords" with the truth about a topic or subject in "Independent" conservative media....this transparency to the public might start helping make the change that we need!

[@jessicaivgi8372]

Funny how it took this happening for Ben Shapiro to acknowledge that Crowder has no decency, as if that hasn't been abundantly clear for years.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah they were with racism,homophobia and transphobia for years but now as he coming after them now they call him out.

[@predatorofpredators145]

You've got one thing right. He's trying to launch a competitor to the daily wire. But his reasoning for it is far beyond what your fake empathy can comprehend. He's doing it so other people have a voice. While you can't get past your jealousy of 50 million dollars, he walked away from it because he stands on principle.

[@palehorse7377]

$15hr for you is spoiled and entitled also $65,000 a day for me is SLAVERY

[@sstar202]

Time to grab some popcorn then because this beef would be epic for all the wrong reasons.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

This is better than porn right now.😀

[@organicphoto]

11:43 I love when they crack each other up.

[@ChrisP3000x]

"I'll sell-out for 120m, but definitely not 50m"

[@Oscar-yf1rh]

Man politics really is just like high school drama

[@agny369]

This is why I watch the legal channels that deal in facts and binding decisions instead of speculative KZbinr drama.

[@1monki]

"Let Them Fight."

[@lib-tardeducator6435]

Steven Crowder would destroy the Daily Wire.

[@kevinlawrence1582]

So close to a million subs. Keep up the good work guys. Love the channel love your message. Keep on fighting the good fight

[@kevinlawrence1582]

@jamukha right tell me about it.

[@Beeso]

Can we get a chairs and tables (WWE/F style) match? It would be ideal for Ben to not only show off those „gains“ but also attempt to shed that over zealous geek image and embrace his wanted inner alpha for the good of all conservatism. Here‘s an idea, can wear a cape and call himself captain C. Matt Walsh can be the referee, Candace and Alex Jones can do commentary.

[@marianitadelgado5795]

steven's video is all it took for me to walk away from his mug club to which I might add should be reimbursed for since he knew he was still selling membership knowing he'd be leaving the Blaze.

[@Wraiven22]

Awwww Ben says Steven knows NOTHING of friendship and decency! I totally expected Kyle to use one of his funny voices while reading that lol.

[@saywhatKavs]

Irony wearing that shirt while holding another individuals speech hostage to "your" desires.

[@o0usf0o]

KZbin was only a percentage of his contract… they included other streaming and audio services. Had he lost KZbin monetization, it would have only affected that percentage of his income mix.

[@Sandman_10372]

Even if he got the Alex Jones media treatment, he could make $5M/yr for DW+ exclusive content under the presented terms. Even after production cost he could have pocketed millions.

[@o0usf0o]

@@Sandman_10372 you good have easily worked in minimums and guaranteed money into the contract…. Even a bonus structure based on performance

[@matt0119]

How does Daily Wire have a cancellation clause when Matt Walsh exists. No way he hasn't been dropped by advertisers.

[@ZenCorvus]

Ya does he hurt your feelings when suggesting you, dressing as a woman, doesn't mean you are one?

[@serpico1616]

@@ZenCorvus He hurts children. He's a p#do, watch his videos.

[@matt0119]

@@ZenCorvus First of all, I'm pretty sure Crowder is the conservative king at drag. He's dressed as a woman like 3-5 times. Dave Rubin also did a drag session that was cringy as hell.

[@Gr8whitemonster]

I think that this split is also emblematic, not only of the future Trump/DeSantis possible rift, but also of the libertarian/heavier state solution Republican Party and associated constituency; as the party has picked up more working class voters and shed many of the upper-middle class suburban class they once held tightly, we’ve also seen a shift from the libertarian, free-market business model into the potential willingness to co-opt and utilize the state. One example of this is Trump’s insistence not to touch social security and his rhetoric on bringing businesses home, as opposed to the typical entitlement slashing, free-trade worshipping Reaganite faction. In the end, I think it’s good these fights are playing out, and I hope that the Democrats eventually get to hold their own battles instead of being instantly brought in-line by the media.

[@ryanh2300]

The argument is sound by Steven. I believe he has been demonetized for years now.

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

But then the strategic thing to do would be to renegotiate the contract. Do you think the Daily Wire don't know Crowder's demonetization issues if they are real? If they know such demonetization is real, then that clause was intentionally written to rip off Crowder, but that is not the way real businesses write contract clauses. It's like the Daily Wire was just trolling, playing with Crowder maybe? I don't think so, it doesn't make sense. So if DW wrote that clause, to me that means that either there is no actual demonetization in Crowder's channel, or DW don't even know about it, which is strange.

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

But he’s also not making the kind of money they are offering

[@Sandman_10372]

DW can still use the YT views to charge advertisers for ad read views outside of the TY ad revenue.

[@eggreg]

Crowder did have a counter offer, $130 million over 4 years…

[@manucr9183]

Seems pretty reasonable lol

[@daraghokane4236]

Ben's offer work for free, I'll say I'm your friend and then you can make jew jokes. That's a fair deal

[@bumblebeeyellowdragon]

Imagine getting mad over not making enough millions.

[@soccerislife6108]

I think crowder was insulted by their offer. They offered him 50 million over 4 years. Crowder makes like 48 million a year from his mug club alone. He’s just saying their trying to screw people out of their money. Especially young up and coming creators. Also important to note that other companies don’t put those stipulations in their contracts. I mean, I don’t like either of them but crowder actually has a point.

[@EF-fc4du]

In fairness to Crowder He wasn't calling 50 million wage slavery. It was the daily wire CEO who used that term. He is saying that he doesn't like them penalizing their hosts essentially at the whim of KZbin's content policies. But the way he's going about it is pretty shitty.

[@mookiestewart3776]

but in the situation crowder wants the DW is taking on all the risk while paying all the money.......that's not how business works, crowder needs to assume some of the risk as well. They would be his employer not his benefactor.

[@EF-fc4du]

@@mookiestewart3776 Well as far as he is concerned I'm not sure what the risk is from their point of view. He's already demonetized but you don't need that to make money on KZbin. The dude had 500k watching him on election night. Sponsored content alone could generate 10 million a year. That's not to mention conversion of Mug Club members and merchandise all of which they would have the rights to. He's bigger than every individual channel they have including Shapiro.

[@sumthinwateva2863]

let them fight

[@leebrandt8597]

I think you're missing a key fact, being that Steven Crowder's channel has been completely demonetized for quite some time. Not a portion, not a percentage, 100% demonetized. So any contract that requires add revenue, means he will not get any money. Not sure why this part isn't being discussed. I personally could not care less about his winning, but it's an important component of this entertaining saga. On the other hand, Crowder would not have any problems with any of the terms if he was offered $120m, so he's definitely hypocritical

[@bobwilliams4895]

No this is not important BECAUSE all he had to do was point that out and strike it from the contract. Just like Candace Owen's did.

[@christiansrensen5958]

Jeremy Boreing reading a term sheet word for word for 55mins. He could not be more aptly named.

[@Irishgoodbye2018]

Hilarious turn of events.

[@nickmonts]

This was a great breakdown. I think Kyle and David pakman are gonna have the same beef

[@ZenCorvus]

Lol pakman... how's that guy helped your life? I mean your hatred is high.

[@nickmonts]

@@ZenCorvus just a joke I am sure they are cool

[@godfathaofyo]

Nahhh..there aren't millions to be made

[@serpico1616]

With what money???

[@programking655]

They’re friends lol

[@rodneyrhonemus3197]

crowder went on JRE and talked about when he was 18 he went to ben shapiro seeking help in contract negotiations lol

[@FNLNFNLN]

I wish someone would exploit me by offering a $50 million dollar contract...

[@anthonydelfino6171]

Ah yes, Ben Sharpiro who told Dave Ruben to his face that it was disgusting that he was gay and wouldn't bake a cake for him and that he wouldn't attend an anniversary party for his Ruben and his husband. A true paragon of friendship and decency. Guess it's like the old saying goes... "takes one to know one."

[@deadeyedarwin]

Meanwhile Ben remains in the closet.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah because friends call their friends gay marriage an abomination.

[@pavkey88]

Link?

[@matthewmaguire71]

He was honest at least lol

[@Jasonscotylee]

What’s wrong with that? Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew. Why should he attend a gay wedding or anniversary? Would you expect Muslims to do that? You need to respect people’s faiths. And stop being antisemitic.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Let them fight!

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

Godzilla roar.

[@bumblebeeyellowdragon]

Let them eat cake... Wait wrong quote.

[@lessonslearned2569]

I'll bring the popcorn and flame throwers.

[@missdecemberbaby]

Crowder’s tryin’ to pull a Chappelle. Gotta be Chappelle to do that😎

[@kaoko111]

Crowder should work minimum wage just to get experience. No vacations, no extra paid time, no insurance... Just getting himself from his bootstraps.

[@Zer0ath]

I miss when Kyle would list sources instead of just post an article about himself as the description

[@calebtheholyman545]

Dude has no integrity at all anymore. He just posts straight up clickbait 50% of the time. "Jordan Peterson FLAMES Andrew Tate?" *posts clip of peterson saying nothing about Tate, from before when he knew Tate existed*

[@plutotech]

@@calebtheholyman545 I guess it's works. you still here.

[@b.m.2434]

Between that and not funny voices/what me bro jokes is why he cant hit a million subs.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

@@b.m.2434 What me bro?

[@jca9417]

@@HockeyTownHooligan5 doneskis son!!! C'mon dawg!! Dickymageezaks bro !!! Broski bro , me and Craig by the Safeway .....new phone who dis 😂😂😂 Kyle is cringe

[@alexkpai]

i cannot stress how little i care about either of those guys lol

[@TheElementFive]

You cared enough to make this comment though 🤔

[@JRob1125]

"I wonder what Not Drag Queen George Santos has to say about this" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@muhammadshahrukh9442]

*Insert Ken Watanabe "Let Them Fight" gif here*

[@jackwenger5028]

I love how everyone is always right including your show

[@ZenCorvus]

I've watched this show once and it's the last

[@Artak091]

It's getting spicy. I love it.

[@melian9999]

I can't believe how big Crowder is in American rightwing commentary, considering he is Canadian. We didn't want him, now he is your problem. Anyone who needs to wear a shoulder gun holster 24/7 is a lunatic to me. He is a caricature i think

[@lvelinva9126]

🤣🤣 "can we just get along and stuff, guys" lmao Kyle

[@rlboozer56]

Guys, he doesn’t call himself not gay Jared, that’s partially why he left, it was crowder joking about his look like he really is gay, but he even said, im an adult with a kid, I can’t have people calling me “not gay Jared”

[@AlienoidGamer]

In Stephens defense, a very tiny one, he has been demonitized for over 3 years, so by signing the contract he would immediately lose the 25%, whether you like him or not, he would be stupid to sign that thing. It's like why not remove that clause and just give me 38.5 mil. But come on, sign the thing, 38.5 mil is awesome. I'd sell my soul for that too lmao.

[@bobwilliams4895]

He was never supposed to sign it. He was supposed to strike shit like that from the initial offer.

[@robertoacevedo3805]

Crowder not only screwed over Not Gay Jared but he also screwed over Sven Computer and Owen Benjamin. This shit is bananas. Lol.