LONG LEAD TIME TO GET BRYANT AC PARTS WENT FULL MACGYVER

[@Fireship1]

Not only did Steve simplify the unit, he just made it more reliable!

[@FindLiberty]

APPROVED

[@Kilcrops0914]

"it's gonna ice up if it runs like that, right?" - I don't know 😂

[@christophermiller1520]

Great repair Steve and only your experience and knowledge got them up and running. I could have wired that with eyes closed but honestly don’t know if I would have thought of or offered! Another expert repair

[@ttuck9603]

That’s a great repair - I bet most guys would just tell the homeowner they are stuck waiting 7-10 days for the part. Nice work!

[@erickhines4121]

Your damn right.

[@dcamp12]

You should stay with OEM!!!

[@petero2693]

Like a tankless water heater.. takes 1 week for parts to ship to homeowner.. then reset installation... pita...

[@jphvac5725]

@@dcamp12 obviously OEM is only as good as parts available for it. Plus fact that this repair is much more reliable and won’t affect his system seeing as he has no heat strips nor multiple stage compressor, so no need to variable speed motor.

[@dcamp12]

@@jphvac5725 Ok, but I don't like it when extra components and wiring are done to a system and no one bothers to update wiring diagrams. Boooooo, then the next tech comes to work on system and he is like what kind of a hack job is this? How many videos on you tube have the tech scratching his head about what the hell is going on after someone changed the operation. I understand that is a simple system but on commercial or industrial it can get a lot more involved. Best practice is to stay with the OEM equipment for service and possibly warranty. Thank you.

[@jeanclaudevandam4974]

I used to love watching MacGyver when I was like 6 or 7. I remember watching episodes on the weekend. The good old days.

[@khx73]

Yup! REAL 1985-1992 MacGyver.. not that 2016 crap

[@paidda]

Yep I wait till he reaches for his swiss knife and voila- problem’s solved haha whatta champ!

[@pridemechanical815]

Steve your channel is the only channel which keeps me coming back to watch HVAC videos pretty much every day after I do HVAC at work all day. Keep up the good work!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

Glad to hear it!

[@watermanone7567]

Great job Steve, Those PSC motors are much cheaper and last much longer that the ECM motors. Thanks for the video.

[@CranialAccess]

Amazing skills Steve, with this fix. You are so skilled in so many areas!

[@doughboy1966]

I’ve lived here three years and don’t know anything about it. Well that was apparent……Another great video Steve.

[@loupecci4901]

My God, you didn’t have the part on your truck? This truly is the End of Days!

[@blazeandcyrus]

lol, I used to do field service and (I'm not picking on customers) but people really think you will have one of everything. You could drive a semi and not have all the parts.

[@realsthvac7942]

@@throttlebottle5906 I stock evergreen x13 motors 1/4 to 1hp

[@wallywal5475]

😂

[@RanHam]

The house I bought the ecm motor went out. Called the installer and got a new one installed with parts warranty for 90 dollars labor. Buying the motor myself would have been $400. 4 years later motor went out again, did exactly what you did. It cooled the house even better!

[@johnberka3079]

Guy complains about the price.. meanwhile Steve is saving the guy time & money. Sheesh

[@DabblelyDiddly]

thats what you get from people who buy titos by the case 🤣

[@frankrizzo3915]

I wish I had some one like Steve near me.

[@makalu877]

Such a pleasure to watch an "old school" guy go about his business.

[@gordonknight2676]

Good job there stevie, glad you didn't tell the guy he needed a whole new system.

[@cantor7723]

Good job, Steve. Very neat work.

[@CHINAIRSOFT]

Extremely helpful I have heard you can do that but never seen it. Best video yet.

[@joeeber2656]

Been in the air cond repair business for 35 years. Get a big kick out of Steve lavimor. Keep on doing the right thing

[@Bushougoma]

6:38 speaking of Macgyver look at that makeshift double pole breaker.

[@donduck6621]

code violation

[@Bushougoma]

@@donduck6621 If the copper wire bends and the breaker trips it's possible that one of them won't shut off. You check across the contactor with a meter and it appears dead but from one leg to ground (you) is 120 volts. Scary stuff.

[@chris76-01]

Looks like they're held together with a nail or piece of wire. Lol.

[@repro7780]

@@chris76-01 MacGyver was here, lol

[@seniorcomputer3292]

Fantastic repair. Thank you

[@jackl9922]

Great job! Hope I don’t have that issue with my new system of the same brand which has modulating furnace and 5-stage compressor. Prior had a York which was a constant POS money pit -why it was removed. That breaker seemed flaky on the reset - probably should be replaced.

[@jphvac5725]

Keep filters changed and you won’t end up like this guy!! Stopped up filters/high static pressure causes these ecm blower motors to overheat and burn up. Too many times I’ve seen same thing as Steve is repairing! Otherwise they are great motors, just expensive as hell.

[@dannicely6234]

Looked like a newer unit . Both indoor and outdoor . Chances are his ECM motor was still under warranty considering Bryant’s have 10 year warranty’s

[@rustyshackleford3099]

What was the TESP on that unit? Pleated filters/excessive External Static kill ECMs. Even more so with variable speed ECMs.

[@cutum]

Yall know Steve probably had an ECM way in the back somewhere. He's got everything in that truck! 😆

[@dong4617]

You can get a Genteq Evergreen ECM motor @ FW Webb on Church St in New Bedford..

[@DW-bo3qw]

There is a Rescue motor made specifically for those carrier x13 motors…plugs right into the factory wiring harness

[@stanbrown853]

Great job Steve! Love the videos but want to ask why you use a contactor on a low amp motor instead of a relay? I have done many, many with a relay. Everytime I tell someone the cost of a ECM replacement vs a PSC I have yet to have one opt for the ECM.

[@jasonreitz6049]

Yep a 90380 works perfect for that application. The contractor is fine but just overkill.

[@zjdubbz]

Always make sure the supply house programs the module before you leave. I've got screwed before and had to rip out the module I just installed.

[@pembrokeshop6785]

Hey Steve love your videos been in the install and service field for 22 years.. Nice repair but try the Qwik Swap X3 next time. Its just a small board that you just plug in the polarized plugs from X13 to the board and then you just connect the PSC and run cap to it and away u go!! Your good at what you do Mr. Lav

[@williegillie5712]

That was nice of you to to help the guy out Steve. I think most guys would have made the guy wait for the part.

[@wickedcoolname399]

He kept talking about 220. Correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't had 110/220 volts residential in about 50 years in most of the US. It's 120/240. Or am I missing something?

[@scottk0623]

Nice going Steve, good job on that rehab. The cost on those ECM motors is crazy. It ain’t the space station.

[@Dwobee87]

Carrier does have universal ecm blower motors. 1/2, 3/4hp, I used a 1/2 last season. Came in handy. $200-250 for the motor itself and module.

[@larryfine6013]

Professional job again steve,

[@johnwalker890]

Good job Steve.

[@JMHVAC502]

Wait, you live in the northeast region and I see an Air handler with no heatstrips??? Heatpumps are about worthless up there in the wintertime. Does he have a boiler or or something else for his main heating?

[@maxthefrenchie-productions]

We do Ecm to psc conversion all the time. I give em both options. Usually they do the psc conversion. Is about 40% less.

[@tonym6920]

Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again y’all. 👍👍

[@qamrulfarooqi]

Nice repair Steve

[@fredjohnson2431]

You are awesome! Love Miss Paulie! Keep me up to date on Bryants, I own one!

[@mc1847]

Not rocket science but definitely a lot of experience. Nice job.

[@theoldbigmoose]

Before they potted the ECM electronics you could get to the inrush surge limiter and replace it. That is what failed most often in these motors. But now that they are potted you are SOL. I walked my friend through the same conversion after he got over the shock of a new motor. There is a place in FL that rebuilds them. They do an exchange for a couple of Benjamins.

[@xiradio]

Just pull the old thermistor off and solder new to the old legs.

[@msclecarcrzy]

I've done that before. Converted back to a standard motor. ECM motors are expensive as hell!

[@jasonreitz6049]

I do it all the time. If it’s under parts warranty, I give both options. If not, I always steer them toward doing the PSC conversion. Never had a customer yet say no

[@Veedub98]

Yeah, I can't even get york equipment/johnson and I'm the manufacturer. Apparently all the contractors who sign contracts to sell so many units a year/install get first dibs.

[@kevinharris8926]

Wht is a mc motor on the ac steve😊

[@effyootoob8321]

Two questions: 1. No heat running through that AH? 2. Aren’t duct systems design to match the variable speed of an ECM?

[@DHVAC]

You just taught me something new, great idea..

[@DHVAC]

If they want to run heat, will the yellow low wire on the contactor have to be switched to the white low volt wire?

[@bluemoth1879]

Totally believe in MacGyverring things sometimes but you have to be careful not to quagmire it up. 😀 👍👍 Good job…:)

[@floridasaltlife]

Steves videos are always the real world BEST !! Wow, I never considered this. my shop system is on it's last leg, ecm motor was a rust ball when the guy wanted it all new.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

easy fix its not rocket science

[@onemomsdrm]

It's not rocket science... it's HVAC/electrical science... as far as the average homeowner knows, it's rocket science!! Love your videos!

[@easymoneyrodney5164]

This is why Steve phone keeps ringing and probably word of mouth new customers take notice "super techs" and young know it alls Sometimes you GOTTA think outta the box

[@Clamjammer]

This is common practice. Those x13 motors always have been garbage.

[@whitneyowen8551]

Fun fact: if the air handler has heat strips they will activate instead of pulling in the contactor in this setup. Just found that out the hard way.

[@ThermalDynamicSevices]

Just curious could you have piggy backed off the transformer for the contactor and the G wire and common for the coil to make the PSC motor work?

[@tomking1890]

VFD.. variable frequency drive is different. I have had one for years , no issues. Dropped from 8 amps to 1.5.

[@lee-johnson]

That ECM was probably under warranty. I do the same replacement, except I use a time delay fan relay like you see in the Goodman units. Nice fix Steve

[@taho69]

He still would have had to wait 7-10 days for the new motor

[@hj8607]

Did you go back for that couch ?

[@scottfarides5516]

You should have used a double pole GP relay instead of a contactor. Someone's going to get zapped when they stick their hand in that compartment of the air handler. You did this guy a service by changing the motor over to a PSC. Good job, Steve!

[@arodandjeter1]

Best repair to do when the units out of warranty especially. Ill take psc over x13 any day. Good repair Steve

[@robt3547]

Ive done this and the opposite with a spdt relay with an aftermarket ECM motor to get a little more CFM on recerc as long as stage 1 wasn't calling :)

[@sknight0391]

MacGyver could have fixed it with a paper clip and a stick of gum 😂👌

[@rj.parker]

Most likely could have fixed it with a $1 thermistor part SL321R030

[@fadedmonk1864]

Or even a shoelace and parts from an old pager

[@patc7198]

I don't know what year the equipment was installed and I know they needed ac but more then likely the motor was under warranty

[@WashingtonCountryMan]

Thank you very much

[@pubchat2913]

Can you explain what’s on the low voltage side of that new contractor? G and Y on one side and 2 commons on the other?

[@stevenlavimoniere]

red feeds power to tstat on call for cooling power comes back on green and yellow green pulls in fan and yellow pulls in condenser common is always on other side on contactor waiting

[@skidivr]

When you say its not rocket science, I put my thinking cap on and get ready for school.

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

YEP. Those ECM motors are VERY expensive. It is usually the module that goes bad. They alone, are expensive. Way more than entire PSC motor!

[@johnready630]

Steve we all love seeing the work you do but it's really Miss Molly we come here to see.....LOL Good swap , customer should be happy with that.

[@brnmcc01]

You can get rescue type X13 motors from Trane parts, Service First brand, that you can set up with a jumper wire that are a reasonable cost

[@hvacshinobi8047]

What will energize the relay in heat? Need another relay . 904

[@stevenlavimoniere]

he has baseboard heating

[@roberts1159]

The way this was wired using high speed tap for cooling and using the contactor with low voltage connections I understand that. But what happens when in heat mode ? Still high speed fan and no low speed it appears?

[@stevenlavimoniere]

he has separate heating ,,,,,hydronic baseboard heat ...so this is straight cooling

[@roberts1159]

@@stevenlavimoniere Ok I understand now. Nice repair to get him up and running again. Thanks for your reply.

[@jasonreitz6049]

I was curious about that as well as to what his source of heat was, noticed no heat strip installed.

[@marks.4388]

Nice job Steven 👍

[@paulmartin5787]

Steve, why do you recommend that the fan should be on "Auto"? What's wrong with "On"?

[@Boys_rideout]

Because it will never turn off it’s constantly on.

[@ABCJKE]

I usually choose auto fan in residential because, when the compressor call ends and indoor fan still running, moisture from indoor coil is added back into the conditioned space that you just paid money to remove. Hope that helps

[@rayanthony6865]

What happens when the thermostat calls for a slower speed on the ECM fan and there’s nothing hooked up to those wires wouldn’t the PSC fan just stop until the thermostat called for high-speed again

[@josetrevino9869]

The tstat is just a switch, it doesnt call for slow or high speed, all it does is close the green and red to activate the blower....

[@rayanthony6865]

@@josetrevino9869 I guess I should’ve used the word system instead of thermostat because obviously a thermostat is just a switch

[@Clamjammer]

So.. I have removed those end caps and soldered new diodes into them. If you remove the end bell you’ll see a round resister that fails often. It burns up. New ones can be soldered in if you’re ok with a soldering iron and need to get the unit functional again. Next time you find a bad ecm remove the two long bolts holding the motor together and look for a burnt diode. Sometimes they are brown or orange. I forget he value of the diode.. It should say what it is

[@Clamjammer]

Also..they burn out sometimes because of airflow issues. Check airflow and proper return to the unit. Keep up with filters.

[@ph33rth3p33r]

Did you check the filter? Sounded like i he never changed it in three years.

[@DHVAC]

Whats a quick way to tell if a ecm motor is bad?

[@stevenlavimoniere]

you have 220volt and 24 volt going to motor and its not running

[@Kris-jk9mq]

I've had my blower wiggle back and forth as if it was lost.. Ended up being a shorted winding inside the ECM motor (i fixed it).. When shorted they will also seek into spots or feel like bad bearings.. I'm on my 3rd ECM motor in 8 years and I now have a spare on hand for it lol.. Original '07 ECM end cap for it is still working!

[@tbas1972]

What a great fix! Now when it calls for heat how does that work?

[@roberts1159]

I was wondering the same thing. Only high speed fan when in heat mode it appears to me.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

its just cooling ...they have baseboard heat ..

[@tbas1972]

@@stevenlavimoniere thank you for explaining very cool fix, we got a new furnace put in and he mentioned the ECM motor furnace I said nope

[@wd8dsb]

Another big problem with many HVAC ECM based systems is that they typically generate RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) which the HVAC industry is pretty clueless about. Some HVAC manufacturers have RFI suppression kits but most HVAC installers have no idea what RFI is or how to remediate it. Going back to a non ECM motor (traditional single speed motor) is a great solution for elimination of RFI if other methods don't work (filtering, etc.).

[@WinnfieldCustoms]

awesome when a fella can just look at a situation and make it work

[@stephenkomins3277]

You have the best customer service interactions always you should open a restaurant

[@RockoRocko-rz7kx]

Lol match made in heaven

[@mattsabeast5]

He pre lubed and pulled that wheel! No way it just slid out like that guy!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

no lube it came right off

[@dc6233]

Awesome ingenuity on this one, and fortunately it wasn't in the attic. Not so easy to redesign the electronic circuit when it's 150 degrees in the attic...

[@Kris-jk9mq]

I've had my blower wiggle back and forth as if it was lost.. Ended up being a shorted winding inside the ECM motor (i fixed it).. When shorted they will also seek into spots or feel like bad bearings.. I'm on my 3rd ECM motor in 8 years and I now have a spare on hand for it lol.. Original '07 ECM end cap for it is still working! Not a cheap motor local but eBay helped a lot there!

[@jasonreitz6049]

Just convert it to a PSC, cap and 90380 relay and be done with it already... won’t have to worry about it again.

[@Kris-jk9mq]

@@jasonreitz6049 If the End Cap ever goes, that will be what happens. However, I fixed the ECM motors myself; so I currently have 2 spares.. Was just trying to explain symptoms of a shorted winding for anyone reading later.

[@jasonreitz6049]

@@Kris-jk9mq cool man. Didn’t mean that in a sarcastic way, sorry maybe it sounded that way. Since you got the extras you should be good to go. Hopefully got a good deal on eBay. I see more often than not that the modules are the culprit majority of the time.. very sensitive to surges and voltage spikes, which we get a lot of in FL.

[@Kris-jk9mq]

@@jasonreitz6049 All good man! Just trying to share info :) Ya they were decently priced on eBay and the local Trane parts shop would not sell to me as a home owner. :/ I would say pretty clean power in AZ but a brown out took out my pool cap last week. Fingers crossed on blower LOL

[@zekemontgomery6678]

Why they make rescue ecm motors

[@tommypitcock9928]

I am just wondering why you did not do that on the first call

[@donnierobertson3088]

Nice job and video like always ( Steven )

[@michelgrenier1878]

Why an ecm motor on just a fan coil ?

[@lancelawrence3259]

Nice work

[@didijiji918]

Steve, you may add a time-delay relay before the contactor, lets the fan run for a while.

[@broncheemims8493]

Great job

[@JamesAgans]

The guy moved there 3 years ago and never changed the filter. LOLOLOL😂😂😂😂😂

[@myronsmith2114]

Now that control transformer has to pull in two relays. Hopefully it can handle the load

[@kenc.9067]

Steve, you do much plumbing lately? So many A/C calls. And it hasn't been too hot in southern New England lately

[@jcaleca60]

You got a wire contactor hook up a capacitor the motor this job runs about 600

[@georgegibbs8696]

I've started doing this the same way. Screw those junkie ECM motors.

[@edwardmannar9307]

good educational tech stuff. easy to remove blower housing...hope trane is watching!! lol

[@forzamilan07]

Can you also use a DPDT Relay ?

[@davidnull5590]

A contactor is a type of relay, just different terms.

[@bk9852]

Good Golly Miss Molly long time no see!!

[@GB-ue6wr]

Great job Steve, one more ECM out of the field! That’s what happens when Politicians get involved in the trades, we get ECMed! Awful motors!!! PSC motors rock! You just gave that man a 10-15 year fan..

[@rodneyskinner7741]

Hello again Steve!