Still NOT OK - Elite Dangerous Odyssey

I take a technical look into Elite Dangerous Odyssey and it's basic performance after 2 years of development since release and results are BAD!
EDO reviews:
• Creators Roundtable : ...
• Elite Dangerous Odysse...
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• Odyssey FPS gameplay a...
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Yamiks' VR rig PC Specs :
CPU - Ryzen 3500x
GPU - Radeon RX 580 8gb (overclocked)
RAM - 32 GB (2x 16gb / 3200mhz)
Timestamps:
00:00 - Start
00:31 - Context
03:33 - Hardware
03:52 - Software
04:20 - Testing
05:19 - Results
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[@ToumalRakesh]

The framerate wouldn't even be the biggest problem if the on foot combat wasn't completely devoid of fun.

[@JonBergacs]

The FPS content is so absolutely terrible that it made me Uninstall after 5K hours and get into Star Citizen

[@trashcan7340]

Why the hell do you need in Elite foot combat? All these CODs and Battlefields are not enough for you? It was the only good exploration space game. Not ideal but good. Instead developing space exploration scenario they started Halo NX...

[@mirandela777]

@@trashcan7340 - yup, agree, they entered a field where they have zero competence and zero experience, and we saw the results...

[@ToumalRakesh]

@@trashcan7340 I don't mind the on-foot combat at all - but they should have started with ship interiors and EVA, and then continued on from there. Also, the mistakes they made are so obvious I'm just bewildered why they aren't fixed by now. weapon balance, TTK, the broken stealth gameplay, the terrible AI... What they need to do is focus on making what's there fun to play.

[@cohenworrior898]

Who's idea was it to staple an FPS to a space game anyway? With the amount of coding that went into it, they could have fixed squadrons, develop a working economy _and_ put in a few extra missions. Would make the game way more fun than this.

[@CMDRStealth]

What's more frustrating than the awful performance in Odyssey settlements is how the rest of the game has been downgraded too. I have plenty of friends who were capable of getting >120FPS in places like asteroid fields, horizons planets, horizons stations and fleet carriers, and open-space conflict zones. Now in Odyssey they get closer to 30FPS in those locations, often with significant CPU stuttering. FDEV have spent basically 2 years now trying to fix the performance and yet they've barely made a difference, yet they are marketing Odyssey as a playable game and dropping support for Horizons. And don't even mention how they made the galaxy map 10x less intuitive and slower to use, made it take far longer to open and close, AND opening the galaxy map permanently drops your FPS until the game is restarted. Also Horizons graphics look way better than Odyssey graphics. Imagine spending 3-4 years overhauling your game and managing to downgrade it in every way possible.

[@kitkitkit8109]

Facts

[@xpseven9593]

I made this video back then, still getting PTSD thinking about it. :P kzbin.info/www/bejne/bae5pGOhmtWCl68

[@macattack123mattc3]

I agree with everything except the visual quality. When I first launched odyssey (on my desktop which can run it on high / 1080p 60), I was impressed by the visual quality upgrade. Things did look better. However, the performance penalty is really irritating as now my GPU is sitting at max utilization and I can't have youtube or something else open on a side monitor, without having to turn down the settings and resolution. I think that the performance issues have led to people using lower settings which hurts visual quality. If you use max settings on Horizons and Odyssey, Odyssey definitely looks better in my opinion.

[@vasya3704]

Hey dude did Frontier ever unban you for making bomb threats and sending racist messages in system chat?

[@neonspark707]

Truth

[@NovaDragon]

Keep this video for next year Yamiks as you can literally just re-upload it and it will still be accurate. It really makes it sink in how bad the Elite devs are when the Fallout 76 devs are doing way better at bug fixes and quality of life changes then they are.

[@potato88872]

Fallout 76 is still worse tho

[@leslieviljoen]

I'm curious about the number of devs involved. I doubt there are very many still allocated to Elite - it's very old now and putting more resources into Odyssey is not likely to be profitable. I'm frankly surprised by the amount of effort that's gone into the Thargoid war updates.

[@Hijynx427]

I went back to Fallout 76 after new friends got it when it was free. I had gotten to level 56 during the release window of the game and felt that grinding for mats only available in certain blast zones tiresome. Now that I'm back I've gotten up to level 80ish and feel I've gotten no clear benefit to my character's performance since level 50. I do appreciate the fixes that have been implemented with 76 but I feel that inherently, it needs to be more like my previous fallout and Bethesda game experiences - I want to break the game in my own special way. My fallout 4 character could ripper tap (one very fast melee hit) and kill a legendary mutated death claw. I'm nowhere near that using sledges this go around. Maybe 6-10 hits does that now with the sledge. They wanted to keep pvp so even they broke the steep enjoyment slope of leveling specifically to tear it proverbially "up".

[@antonkovalov9648]

@@potato88872 I kind of doubt it after the NMS recovered so much. If they won't abandon 76 at some point then it can become a good game, just not a good Fallout game.

[@TharsisOfficer]

The fixes done to 76 probably have to do with the Microsoft bucks and resources that they have. I'm still not happy with the survival aspects of the game considering how many othes there are out there that do it so much better and the roleplay and story aspects are pathetic as usual with Todd Howard. @@antonkovalov9648 I still think that 76 should have been more akin to Shelter as a multiplayer city builder game minus the mobile game grind.

[@AstroTorch]

The ODY launch broke me. I've been desperate to love this game almost since launch but it's impossible to see past the basic fact that you cannot convincingly run a literal galaxy sized space sim MMO with all the manpower and resources of 4 blokes and a dog out of a shed in Cambridge.

[@amergingiles]

No Man's Sky made the exact same mistake. Then they put they're nose to the grindstone and hired, like, 50 people.

[@baconoverlord7982]

What about it "broke" you? Was it your soul? LoL. I mean... really? So, your potato that could draw orbital lines and 1/100th of a cockpit suddenly has a hard time running ACTUAL graphic items like... walls and people and you want to blame the GAME COMPANY?! Seriously??? Come on....

[@Multarix_]

reccomended spec for games has always meant "medium graphics, 60fps minimum, if not a bit higher at 1080p" ever since like 2014. At this point, it's false advertising and a lawsuit against them for this could do them some good.

[@ikosanweee8203]

Fdev stock is already tanking hard, one lawsuit and yamiks might just buy them out with patreon money

[@baconoverlord7982]

HAHAHAHAHA! You do realize that the min specs went up........ right? And 60FPS has never been the norm. Just because you have a potato that can't run a first-person shooter game at higher than 30 FPS doesn't mean the developer is to blame.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

Ahhh EDO. The expansion of Elite Dangerous that made CIG more money than it's own developers

[@Underb00t]

But for how long? Starfield will be coming next soon

[@_Jay_Maker_]

@@Underb00t Starfield and SC are going to be very different approaches to the same idea.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

@@Underb00t Star field looks like crap anyway. It's the same paint by numbers Bethesda formula they have been using since fallout 3. I'm not interested in SF in the slightest. I am glad that it keeps getting delayed though, shows they are working on something they care about. I just don't understand why people are so hyped for SF. Flight looks like a physicsless afterthought. The gunplay looks lackluster. Idk.

[@Underb00t]

@@BaronFeydRautha sc aint my cup tea sadly. But we play what we find fun anyway

[@BaronFeydRautha]

@@Underb00t It wasn't for me until EDO released. So I get where you are comin from. I grew up on Roberts games, Wing Commander and Freelancer. Until the release of EDO I would even make fun of SC players. "LOL you play a tech demo not a game", "LOL you spent HOW much on a ship for a game that doesn't exist?" Now I am Top hat and Monocle. All because of the botched EDO release. I have 600+ hours in ED and EDH. That shit was my jam. But EDO was the last time I let Fdev ignore me and treat us, the player, like shit and a money printer. The first time I played SC was AWESOME. I landed my Cutty Black wonky on a pad planetside so I couldn't get back in to the damned thing. Hit up global chat and within 4 minutes a Cutty Red showed up, lowered their ramp and got level with mine so I could go back to my space adventure. That kind of player interaction is impossible in ED let alone EDO.

[@ChrisFowlerNH]

I miss Elite.... Alot. My squad, my friends, good times. Haven't turned it on since the console news and obviously I'm not missing much. Bye Frontier!

[@rumdog117]

Same here. Was a wonderful experience while it lasted. The best thing the company could do with this is sell it to a company like Microsoft or Sony. Let a company that knows how to make good games do something with it.

[@JCA1009]

We PC owners had suffer much more with later launches. Consoles had much more pleasant experience with multiplatform games. Elite is the exception. Now you can understand why a stronger and more versatile platform usually lacks of premiere 2 years later of the console launches and bad ports.

[@rwentfordable]

Alot?

[@baconoverlord7982]

What Odyssey news? That they won't dumb down the graphics to meet the more and more outdated hardware in consoles as time goes on? Yeah... get a PC.

[@zachvarleyguitar]

Holy shit it just sunk in that Elite Oddysey is almost 2 years old :0

[@Darhhaall]

Yeah, it surprised m as well... time flies, when I am not playing it. When Odyssey came out, I just wanted to wait until it gets better. Now... now I gave up on Frontier and I am just waiting until Star Citizen gets better, lol.

[@baconoverlord7982]

Yeah, they just had a big update 4 months ago and are still actively working on the game. But, Yamiks has a real bug up his chimney about them. His last few videos are becoming more and more toxic about Fdev based on less and less reality.

[@deathbunny8322]

I think your final comment on FSR is 100% correct, the feature is designed to make an already optimized game render faster and not bring an unoptimised game to expected quality. Also, even with FSR they are using an outdated jerry-rigged version which destroys quality.

[@semibiotic]

FSR or DLSS are designed to scale native FullHD/2k to 4k only. They are *awful* in making 1080p from lower resolutions.

[@firstnamelastname1015]

@@semibiotic they're pretty good from my experience, maybe not completely optimal but I wouldn't say awful

[@Michael-OBrien]

Btw, the “Blur” settings does less than you think. It blurs the background of any drop shadow such as when you try to access Outfitting before you’re inside the hangar. Not motion blur at all.

[@gtwannabe2]

Pretty sure it's due to non-existent hidden object culling in settlements. When they fixed station interiors my FPS went from ~30 to ~90 on my 1080 Ti @ 1440p. That's perfectly reasonable for a 5 year old GPU.

[@TheYamiks]

I suspect something slightly else, but it is part of it, YES

[@robywesq.6265]

I think it’s particles with smoke and fire combined with non stop text logs that never disappear and spam the same info being conveyed through audio

[@baconoverlord7982]

1080Ti... yes, I see the problem.

[@shoutingstone]

I saw somewhere in a livestream (The Pilot maybe?) that everybody who could use the proprietary Cobra Engine that Elite is written is has moved on from FDev and those left are struggling to do anything more than surface level bug fixes and rebalancing. Which is why they abandoned trying to fix the planet tech. Can anyone confirm that? (Im not stating it as fact, its a half remembered video i saw over a year ago but it would explain a lot)

[@Fresh_Baklava_420]

Never change Yamiks! I enjoy your incredibly savage, but honest reviews on the current version of ED. ❤

[@thehipinmyear]

This.

[@baconoverlord7982]

Yeah, it's like watching someone commit career suicide when they slam the only game anyone knows them from to the point that they are even making false claims and ACTIVELY trying to thin out the playerbase. I mean he keeps saying the game is "dead" somehow......... all in an effort to do.. what? Make it so they don't have a game to review anymore? Yeah, the "smart" isn't exactly checked on that list.

[@tim_bublitz]

I wish there would be a "Legacy UI" button for new Horizons and Odyssey.

[@Fallouttec]

Only other part id like to see is the difference between “Fullscreen” and “Borderless” modes While alot of elite players use Borderless to alt-tab out between super cruise drives; it would be interesting to see if going Fullscreen will improve framerate

[@pyro111100]

It doesn't, at least not noticeably

[@bobanfrombangladesh]

@@pyro111100 on some super old cheap-ass hardware it may have a significant difference in performance, but on more modern hardware it's either 0 difference (unless game has a bug that decrease performance in specific window mode) or negligible

[@mightylink65]

I find it quite odd that outposts in elite lag even harder than the full cities in star citizen, something seriously went wrong here, it's not normal, it's not the scale of the game, they just fucked up.

[@neonspark707]

This. How can star citizen have cities with trains, building interiors, space ports, weather, clouds, and 100 players per instance while having better performance than one outpost in elite with one player on it....things went horribly bad

[@frogger2011ify]

I don't experience any issues with frame rate

[@WickedScott]

@@neonspark707 Yeah no bugs in SC! 🤣🤣🤣

[@neonspark707]

@@WickedScott we got bugs in EDO too yet it performs worse! crazy ain't it?

[@eledragon]

edo performs fine for me. always 100+ fps on max settings

[@LawdBreaktwist]

>vr preset >motion blur on do you *want* your players to be even more sick than they feel after purchasing your game?

[@starly1974]

Happy to see you talking about Elite again Yamiks :) One thing I noticed about you is that you seem to be one of the few people who really see how graphically downgraded the game was from Horizons at the cost of performance. Don't know if you noticed star color doesn't have any effect on the star system anymore. Which just completely destroyed the "feel" on some planets and systems. It just looks so bland. Search up "Taygeta" before and after Oddysey for example. Or even Betelgeuse. Before the planet orbiting Betelgeuse was red and everything around you looked red-ish. Giving you that feel like you're next to a giant f*** red star on a scorching world and in Oddysey it lacks that feel to it completely. And then there are planets of course. No need to add any comment to that.

[@TheYamiks]

New people?

[@owend1453]

@@TheYamiks *few people 😂

[@starly1974]

@@TheYamiks *Few people, sorry Btw someone made a video comparing the lighting in Horizons and Oddysey. Just search "Elite Dangerous: Star lighting and color comparison between Odyssey and Horizons." by MrTormentor89 I'd actually love to hear your opinion about the lighting as well since you never mentioned it I believe and I watched all of your Elite videos since Oddysey released. In my opinion It technically looks better, but lacks the artstyle and atmosphere of Horizons which makes Oddysey look a lot worse imo. Edit: I really tried to have this lighting "fixed" but nothing came out of it except forum post where Frontier acknowledged it but nothing happened since that. Maybe you could talk about it in some of your videos If you agree that old lighting was better? Just an idea.

[@tomusmc1993]

I'm an integrity person. I could careless if the game works or not, although it sucks thst it works as poorly as it does. But Frontier and Braben lied, not just a little, but a lot, and more than once. At some point each of us has to make a choice, about what our limits are. Frontier and Braben crossed a line so I'm just not going back.

[@chrisphillips1185]

Out of interest, how does it perform on HorseRipper? Can you get stable 60fps at 1440p ultra? I used to be very happy on Horizons with a 4790k and GTX1080 at 1440p (no idea what the fps was!), but haven’t tried logged in since Odyssey launched with the materialising out of your ship despite the supposed ship interior designs during development (grumble grumble…)

[@stab74]

Funny you mention 4790K. I was still using one with a 1070 up until a month ago when I built a new gaming rig. Ran Horizons and Horizons 4.0 just fine at 1080P.

[@celestialanger7102]

"I want you to keep me just as accountable as the shit I am dishing out. I mean how else am I going to learn right?" - It's a sad state for FDev when this quote that should be attributed to them is attributed to a cute Lithuanian content creator. At this point FDEV needs to just open the game up entirely to modding so the community can just fix everything wrong at this point with the game and bring the soul of Elite back.

[@baconoverlord7982]

They... literally just did a big update 4 months ago. They are supposed to do another one next month. What exactly do you guys want from them?

[@cmdrclassified]

The forum statement from FDEV was complete BS! In the beginning of ED, they stated, and I quote "Designed from the ground up for Virtual Reality and 4K UltraHD display technology" You need a minimum of 80-90FPS in VR, so as not to induce nausea. I play Elite in VR exclusively, and Odyssey runs like ass, with frame rates tanking to below 30FPS. And I am not even talking about the on-foot portion.

[@spiritofsound8469]

And who'se idea was making the red-dots on the guns a "semi transparent brown"?

[@mwbgaming28]

As I said in your poll "recommended" specs should allow the game to run at 60FPS average using the high preset, that's how I would recommend playing the game for the best experience

[@saraki4311]

A while ago, I tried to come back and play ED, but it was a 100% crash in FSD. After a while that seemed to be fixed, but the performance was 30% down in crowded areas, and I didn't even get off my ship. I never thought I'd play the Odyssey part but I donated thinking to help Frontier, but that was like paying money for getting a punch in the face. I could imagine that Frontier thought that GPU upgrades will "solve" the problem. Maybe they should have gone the DCS route.

[@jepurv]

One of the worst concept-to-implementation games I've ever played. Systems seem disconnected (i.e., not a lot of synthesis between powerplay, missions, professions, etc.). Frontier made a lot of promises during the prerelease phase that were either poorly implemented or never realized. Loved the base game; one of the most immersive experiences I've ever had (sound design and feeling of weight in the flight model). However, the game failed to evolve in any meaningful way. Every addition to the game felt randomly stapled to or haphazardly glued onto the base. Their shining achievement was the deep-core, asteroid mining . . .

[@OivlisLHog]

Do these performance problems actually also apply to the new generation Horizon? Because I do not even play the odyssey/FPS part of the game, although I always launch the odyssey variant, even if I am solely playing VR in ship, never on legs. Perhaps I always uselessly launch the odyssey variant despite the Horizon variant would be technically faster?

[@colinwilson210]

don't forget the minimum spec was increased after the pre-orders became available (which I bought), to a higher graphics card - meaning the game was even less playable for people who bought based on their card being listed as the minimum spec, which mine was.... GTX670 went to GTX760 I think

[@MichaelHainsworth]

When Frontier “wrote down” (read: wrote off) 100% of its investment in Elite Dangerous, I did, too. Any time a company does this it means they have no intention of throwing any more money at their product. I should never have spent the money after learning Odyssey wouldn’t support VR but once a year I’d boot up (and update) the game just to see if any of the laggy gameplay was fixed in Horizons. It wasn’t. The fact that the landing gear STILL clips through the floor of the landing pad 10 years later tells you everything you need to know about this company’s dedication. It doesn’t exist. I spent thousands on VR and sticks to play a space sim, not a shooter. Braden is a failure as a developer and Elite goes down as my biggest disappointment. And I was a Duke Nukem fan.

[@Visentinel]

Iv got mine set to Vsync with Freesync on to target 144fps. It's pretty much always there and never drops below 110 fps in those settlements. My specs are ryzen 5950X and a Radeon 7900xtx.

[@olias2k979]

Hi Yamiks, I watched this video and I am wondering if this is an AMD issue. My system is Intel i5 10th Gen chipset with and MSI B490 Motherboard. Uses DDR4 and now (drum roll if you please ) I use a pair of GTX 980 cards (not SLI linked) I have tried repeatedly in all areas I know about and on planets, since you first asked for comment on ODDISEE and it graphics. In fairness I have all my settings wound up to maximum and never bother with the resettting of it to achieve this what seems to be industry acceptable 60 fps, I realise your machine is superios to my new setup, but here it is. These figures are grabbed out of MSI Afterburner too. open space 100+ fps never goes below. Space station locality 90+ Space station get out and walk around 50 - 70 depends on interactions. Planet side 70 - 90 Station shoot em up zones, 54 - 71fps again depends on level of interactivity. Now heres a kicker you may recall this word from a couple of decades back, LATENCY otherwise known as LAG. MTU Maximum Transmit Unit as well. God I miss tweaking dialup modems, but here is something that affects it all. LATENCY from your router to the game server causes issues, MTU also Internet providers jam there equipment on 11 thinking all is great with multiple connection super speed fibre optic broadband. I get 250 MBS from Virgin. Theres only me on my net so no kids banging away in fps games, streaming music annoying the neighbours and I ran MTU tests and latency on the ODDISEE servers and I got latency of 20- 50 (time of day dependant ) and heres what the MTU came out at seems they set the MTU in the router at 1500, which is wonderful, yes sir its superfast and gets you a billion fps to watch your 200" QLED tv we sent you free with our package. Well I dont have TV just netflix and Prime. Now for the real issue, the MTU should be achieved 1500 with no problem. WRONG. Having run the MTU test with some local servers to me also on the Virgin net as well as the BBC, Google, AOL and BT, all of them had MTU stability around 1440 so signal degradation is still a part of the net. So I optimised the MTU between me and Elite servers and found a good 5% increase in framerate in the busiest areas of the game. However if you love pew pew listen to Yamiks.

[@joeschmalhofer6109]

The only question I have for the great and powerful Yamiks is, are there any games out there that you have played where there was acceptable performance on the recommended hardware? I've never seen a space game that performed acceptably on the recommended hardware, but I assume Yamiks has played many more games than I have, so I'm asking for a Yamiks review of a space game that actually performs acceptably on the recommended hardware, if there is such a thing. I also concur with Yamiks Elite Dangerous Odyssey opinion concerning performance on the recommended hardware.

[@DavidUtau]

Doom eternal, which also looks way better than the legs sections of this game? Nearly all not-sheet tier optimized games out there? :|

[@maxjohn6012]

Tachyon: The Fringe ran perfectly on recommended ;)

[@Insanerobert44]

I play No Man's Sky with my cousin as well, I had my doubts getting it but I must say that game has redeemed itself from the sh*tty launch and proved what could happen with a product if the devs & the company really want to deliver a great product they've promised to all of us. And that game allows you to mine everything - even the the planet's surface - up to a decent depth and craft and build any single thing, except for the ship frames themselves and the Multi-tool frames. The ship combat is not it's strongest point but it's still a viable solution, it's a solid casual space exploration and space building game. Also, you can salvage ships, modules and other stuff from the planets if you find any and there's plenty of dangers to find on some of them as well to keep you engaged, sometimes even the environment itself can be challenging - but it's up to you if you will deal with it or not. Plus - you can get a frigate and a fleet to act as a mobile base if planet buildings are not your thing.

[@jackclements2163]

I'm naïve. I expect whatever a company says is the minimum and/or recommended setting, I believe they must have tried and tested things MANY times on multiple machines. I'm naïve, but with FD...I'm crystal clear in that they wouldn't have even thought of this never mind done it.

[@amadeusasimov1364]

Performance and requirements aren't really my main problem. My issue; FDev has no experience in first-person games, and Odyssey makes that abysmally obvious. Any devs on the team that thought "weapon swapper reload simulator 3309" was a good form of fps game, needs to lose their job.

[@vladbat4050]

Now I’m curious about how Star Citizen runs on that computer tested for ED:Odyssey. I know it’s also got major performance problems in key cities and locations but it seems more consistent than this considering the 3.17 build is running on an old CryEngine renderer, tho I did hear Gen12 in 3.18 from the PTU testing was not as stutter filled as before 🤔

[@TheYamiks]

WORSE.....LOT WORSE!

[@vladbat4050]

@@TheYamiks Somehow the big cities like Area 18 and Lorville run better than New Babbage, despite it being a much smaller place in comparison lol

[@neonspark707]

Pointless comparison as star citizen is way more detailed and heavy. There is jus nothing in elite that even comes within a mile of the complexity of scenes in star citizen

[@neonspark707]

@@vladbat4050 because those are the older cities duh. So they were made when hardware was slower and don't push the vfx as hard. Basic knowledge. If you look at orison vs lorville is like a different game. Lorville is getting redone to the new standard and so it will likely run slower than nb and orison.

[@Luihuable]

@@neonspark707 Yes, i wonder why FDev cant achieve same levels with 1988 made Game engine that Star Citizen can with Amazon's lumberyard which is 2021 tech. Also, considering how much SC has milked money, im suprised they did not build their own engine to meet their needs.

[@shoutingstone]

Sure am glad I backed the kickstarter Lifetime Expansion Pass tier. Thats the gift that....gave twice in 10 years (and 1 of those id return if i could)

[@joelisvysniauskas4653]

Did you use upscaling? Had a friend who had worse then min and he was able to get a good FPS when he upscaled from 720

[@noway8662]

Problem is that Frontier only offers spatial upscaler, which just doesn't cut it outside of just scaling from like 2k to 4k native screen. FSR 2.2, DLSS and XeSS are much, much better. Especially for low res upscaling. 720p to 1080p or 1440p is actually surprisingly acceptable. Plus, Frontier has also still neglected to just inject TAA in their game to get a radical appearance boost. Lots of shader pixel crawling all over the place, and it's totally unnecessary.

[@92edoy]

Hey Yamiks, have you ever played Star Sector? Beautiful game with great depth in combat, exploration, trading, ship fitting, and more, and the devs are some of the most consumer friendly people I have ever seen. I think it is a beast of a space sim, and it is a largely ignored one since they are not on any major publisher site (they are not on Steam, GOG or EGS).

[@TheYamiks]

Not yet

[@Maddock_]

Highly recommend SsethTzeentach’s video about it! If you already know him, I don’t need to justify.

[@c.rackrock1373]

I left over a year ago but I still give you and Ant views. You are absolutely right: they have chosen to maintain an unacceptable level of quality. That is not only the reason I left but also the reason I will never touch one of their products again. Companies that behave like this deserve to go under.

[@thatrandomguycommenting1261]

I came back to this game after years after I was talked into getting a VR headset. "I got out of my ship" 1 time and uninstalled the game once again.

[@wonder_platypus8337]

So you spent zero time interacting with the game before forming an opinion? I play Ody in VR and enjoy the hell out of it.

[@TheScottShepard]

@@wonder_platypus8337 How do you set up VR to not be pixelated? I found that if I set supersampling to 2x, on-foot is playable, but when gettting back in my ship or SRV, I have to struggle to set supersampling back to 1.0 before I die. I couldn’t find any advice online for dealing with this. Can you help me? (I have Reverb G2 and RTX4090). This pixelation in “theater mode” seems to have happened in an update last year and I’d like it to revert back. Hopefully this makes sense.

[@TheScottShepard]

There’s a ton of ship + SRV gameplay in ED in VR. It’s a fabulous experience if you ignore on-foot gameplay, but I understand your desire to include all Odessey has to offer.

[@rafaelgoncalvesdias7459]

Ed is awesome with VR. Odyssey content really suck I agree. Many other options even free games do a better job of odyssey premise. I just don't ever disembark from my ship

[@pyro111100]

@@TheScottShepard Set your HMD resolution multiplier higher, it's the same as supersampling but loses less frames than the in game one for some reason. Lower your settings a lot until clarity is achieved along with FPS.

[@megablast1988]

While the quality of graphics are either the same or getting worse, im quite content that the stability has improved a lot, and it starts gradually to be more playable.

[@TheYamiks]

that is true!

[@idontneedthis66]

LOL everything Yamiks said is 100% truth! Over the Christmas holidays I did a complete rebuild of my gaming system. I'd built it in 2016 and while it was top end at the time it was showing its age, especially when playing in Horizons 4.0 (I still refuse to buy Odyssey for all the reasons you illustrated in this video). I assumed a brand new AM5 7700X system, 32GB of DDR5-6000 RAM and a barely used EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3090 would be MORE than sufficient to keep minimum FPS above 90 needed by my Vive Pro (gen 1).....I was sadly mistaken. While certainly better than my old 6700K and GTX 1080 FE was doing, going to the Guardian ruin sites STILL manages to completely chop up the frame times, lingering at 45 FPS most of the time and requiring the game to constantly bounce off ASW in a desperate attempt to prevent motion sickness....which is fails at most of the time! And I'm about as resistant to VR motion sickness as you can get, so if it makes ME sick then no one else really stands a chance. And this is running my Vive Pro at 100% resolution, so I'm not killing it with supersampling or anything stupid like that. And this is on "VR Low" settings! If your game can't keep above 90 FPS with a freakin 3090...you have problems as a developer! I'll stick to space and kill bugs for the foreseeable future, hoping Frontier will one day finally figure out how to unf**k themselves (steps off soapbox)

[@mcarpen89]

The problem is that they didn't program any kind of LOD scaling for the feet gameplay assets. It renders every object at full detail whether you're standing 1cm from it or 3km from it. That's why performance is worst when you drop out of SC above a conflict zone. Your computer is trying to render every single object in the instance at 100% quality from 3km away. You can tell there's no LOD scaling because the settlements look kind of "glittery" (not sure how else to describe it) from far away. LOD scaling, when done right, actually improves the look of games because it makes distant stuff look hazy. With no LOD, distant objects become too detailed for your monitor to properly display and they look like an aliased mess. Until the game receives LOD optimization, no amount of patches will fix this. If they haven't fixed it by now, it means they don't have any plans to fix it. The reflections on glass are also broken in some way. It seems like each pane of glass is rendering an extremely high quality reflection of the environment. This is basically multiplying the number of polygons that the game has to render by the number of panes of glass in the instance. Back when I was playing the game, someone made a mod that removed all the reflections from glass (basically made glass invisible) and it improved performance significantly.

[@wtfcooldown9675]

As someone who is new to space sims as of this year, I saw star citizen, and then I saw elite dangerous and my first thought was why play elite dangerous? The more footage I see from it, then more I’m glad I play star citizen

[@TheYamiks]

yeah IDK about that mate.. .but Odyssey for sure is not good investment... thou then again nether is SC.. but that is just my own take.

[@Sithishe]

Recommended spec should represent 60fps 1080p resolution on high settings without any fsr or dlss. 2000 USD graphics card is for 144 fps on 4k resolution, at least that is how its supposed to be. And minimum specs should represent 1080p resolution on low settings 30fps. Maybe with fsr, but still stable 30fps.

[@yareyarez]

I kinda feel like if they just released ship interiors where you could simply walk around your ship, maybe add some decorations, and none of this "America fck yeah" generic shooty gun stuff then everyone would be happier. I mean, the community wanted it, right? It would have been less work than making a whole combat system and shouldnt have been that hard to implement. It would (imo) have been a literal win win for the game, but alas. Not in this timeline bois.

[@FlameSoulis]

Bigger holarity: you could just use a SteamDeck to test things as well. Considering it only really has a 720p screen, that even pushes things more in favor of the game... except the part where it STILL struggles. At times.

[@Jadriam]

My potato used to run Elite without problems, even though my machine was weak. I can't run it at all anymore. That alone is enough to make me abandon FDev's 'decisions' to downgrade a game and charge me twice the amount I paid for Horizons to NOT play it.

[@pserge73]

I recently discovered the GFORCE NOW app on my LG Tv... And it allows to play Odyssey in 1080p maximum quality with no problem, only on the Tv, not even a PC needed! Why it can't run in more than 1080p, don't know, but it is already very good even on a very big 4k TV, so it is ok for me. But now, with your video, I understand better why my gathering dust PC, brought back to life a few months ago has some difficulty running Odyssey specific scenarios in 1440p, mid quality settings🤣

[@firiozifirion4718]

I am just sad that I get 20 FPS while having better specs than the minimal ones. Not on foot. In space combat. While I had about 90 FPS average on horizons. The main issue I noticed were REALLY low frame rates while close to the volumetric fog/mist. When I drop on a station that is under attack from thargoids I get 10 fps.

[@libertyprime9891]

I started playing about two weeks ago, and the amount of grind is absolutely horrendous, the ground performance is terrible, the mission structure is an absolute abomination, the gunplay is an atrocity, the systems are cryptic and shitty and completely neglected due to NEEDING external tools, and overall the game is a huge time vampire with very little in returns in the form of entertainment. the best the game has to offer by far is pretty visuals sometimes, the scale and proportions of the galaxy, systems and planets, the stellar sound design and the community, due to the friends that helped me along and the fuel rats that saved my ass one time. i landed on the station that an engineer works in and i had ZERO resources to upgrade anything, after playing for 112 hours and trying most of the gameplay loops. i looked into how you do engineering stuff and i just can't, its even worse of a grind. im giving up on elite. but i'll still keep tabs on your videos, your content is pretty good along with a few others i've found like D2EA and crimson, but the game itself is horrible.

[@Dan-mf2dl]

Even having better hardware doesn't "fix" the issues. I have a ryzen 5900 and a 3080ti and if I dare to fly my ship around a settlement during a on foot conflict zone (as was advertised by Fdev as content for ody) I see dips below 15fps with stutters in frame times so large that I completely loose control of my ship. I can lower my settings and use FSR and still get massive stutters and dips below 20 fps for prolonged periods of time. Lets also not ignore the fact that FSR implementation is bad, so that it makes the UI painfully blurry... its likely to give you a migraine.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

Blur is on by default even on low. Pretty annoying when i have to tune down grafics from ultra to low if i want 30 FPS on ground CZ, while still have 60 FPS on ultra everywhere else.

[@syntience_wings]

I'd happily trade 60 stable fps for a fun gameplay. What a missed opportunity it was Odyssey

[@jdeklute80085]

I feel like Neo when I play Elite. I have learned to play into the glitches and hiccups that let me know something is about to spawn/load nearby and use it to my advantage.

[@10siWhiz]

I built a PC that is an absolute beast compared to my old one specifically to get playable fps in busy on foot situations in Odyssey. Still when I land on my carrier or at settlements my frame rate drops like crazy. I have it more than playable but still the game could be so much better.

[@codenamelambda]

I heavily disagree on the FSR point - where it doesn't introduce significant artefacts, I believe FSR is an okay thing to depend upon. It's not something that should be the first choice for sure, but for Elite specifically I think that part of the issues might be that it was originally optimised for "space performance", and the kinds of performance tricks you an pull there are very different from the ones you'd use "indoors" (for example: optimising by not drawing occluded objects is super helpful on foot where you will see a lot of occlusion, but doesn't do much in space where usually everything in front of you can be seen unless you're currently inside of a space station; but the performance hit by drawing some ship models outside isn't going to be a performance bottleneck most likely [note: I don't know how the engine actually works internally, this is just an example]) - so I can very well imagine that Odyssey has to contend with a lot of now unhelpful decisions made earlier on that were the right call back in the day. Apart from that, I personally think that this is less likely to be an issue with subpar devs, and more likely an issue with resources & Frontier caring enough about the game. A rushed project by even the best developers will still, well, be rushed and suck as a result. THAT SAID, I don't think that's an excuse for the state of the game as is. Though I wouldn't lay the blame on the people actually working at the game, and moreso management & Frontier's leadership.

[@Mechator_Rex]

Why i do not agree on the views of most people here and voted differently: Minimum is the requirement of a spec to enjoy the game. So you set everything on the game on minimum, and get 60fps by average. 30 is the minimum, lower is not allowed. If it's lower, it's a bug. It forces proper coding and optimization. And there are game studios, living by such a mantra. And the games are still fun and beautiful. Shin'en to name one. The recommended should be the one that should be on the upper end. This is what you want people to have to enjoy the beauty and strength of your product. That they see how much effort you put into the product, make you experience the full spectrum. Make you realize "this is it, now I've seen it" on the feeling. Trouble free experience, nothing to add. So is the maximum or 80% of it setting. Average at least 80 FPS and minimum 50. You want people to say they got the recommended spec and they freaking enjoy the product with it. They love it, and don't need to add to it. The recommendation doesn't leave desire for improvement thus being a good recommendation. Maybe you can add some "ultra" for the lulz, but you want people to enjoy it on release, not after 10 years when it's deprecated. If ever. I'm strongly opposed to "make a program, find a computer that can run it" approach, and prefer "I got a computer, what programs can I run on it?" Peace.

[@alkalipher8409]

Just hoping StarField comes out in a pleayeable state, I really need me some good space and on foot gameplay, I mean, Elite bounty hunting is really fun, but not rewarding at all and the on-foot gameplay is not what I would have wanted it to be by a long shot

[@semibiotic]

Speaking about technical issues only (i.e. let alone broken game design), EDO/Live also has unacceptably invalid lighting - it's too dark and too bright at the same time comparing to Legacy EDH (f/ex. damn too dark asteroids in ship lights, and too bright stars/stellar globes and planets), and it cannot be adjusted with something like gamma correction. Funny thing - ED has single set of graphics settings for both Live and Legacy, inspite of having two different GFX-engines. So, you need to run Live and Legacy under different Winfows users.

[@IRMentat]

The only thing worse than FDev putting the closest to engaging content they have has in half a decade (close but no cigar) behind a paywall is having that paywall be one of the worst FPS experiences outside of the blatant asset flips in the steam store. That’s ignoring the massive performance issues. Min spec should be stable30 in most gameplay (exciting maybe player rich environments, NPCs should scale LoD no matter how many of them there are). Recommended should 1080p 60 rock solid and be an upper mid range pc at time of publishing at most. This is a pseudo mmo with almost no inhale details not effin crysis

[@jiristefka3177]

Well I have an Rx580 8GB, Ryzen 5 3600 and 16GB of RAM. On 1080 I'm getting V-Synced locked 60FPS on ULTRA with Antrisotropic on X2, Shadows on Medium AA on FXAA and Medium volumetric effects quality. I know that Rx580 quite struggles with shadows/lightning, so having that on medium and everything else (except AA) works for me. IDK why it runs quite well for me but there are some things that could be the reson?: - I'm on Linux so my OS doesn't use as much of the HW as Windows does - The game "runs" in Vulkan, note DirectX. Vulkan is known for having a bit lower average FPS but not dropping as much as DirectX in heavy scenarious. Either way I did not have as bad of a experience, and I did buy it on sale for like 17€. There's not enough content to justify 40€ for me.

[@jepurv]

lack of stealth mechanic in a game-loop that asked you to stealth . . . exemplifies my previous comment.

[@Slim_Sumo]

Blame the space trucker forum dads for the removal of everything related to stealth.

[@blippedyblop]

Realistically, what can be done, though? I get the overall impression that there are severe technical limits with the engine, and that they bit off more than they could chew with Odyssey.

[@steingrimurolikristjansson112]

Agreed, perhabs remake the game in another engine ?, to bad it would take some years

[@netshaman9918]

@@steingrimurolikristjansson112 UE 5 ?

[@ButtonPusher]

We appreciate you very much Yamiks, and never change!

[@warmbeer6282]

Yep, I'm still not back.

[@Mad_Alyx]

Tbh the performance is what bugs me the least. It's the desert of actual content that's killing me. And no, a wall of text and some extra thargoids in the bubble is not acceptable content.

[@dudenukem]

No, it gets worse! I just wanted 16 meta-alloys to unlock the size 4 anti-corrosion cargo rack. Naturally I go to the barnacle forest. Oddly I couldn't land due to loop system crashes, every time I tried to low wake or high wake in or out of the gravity well, game crash. I had to fly in normal space far enough away to jump out of system. I've got a modern, well equipped machine "optimized" settings. WHY, no, HOW could this happen?

[@dogbowl4526]

so is it a hardware issue or a in game engine issue....great vid as usual

[@omf-arch1765]

I was having ultra fun with horizons I was getting solid 50fps on high, and I have GTX 850M and 12GB ram, and in Odyssey I couldn't even fly in space, like I was desperate for some fps and stopped playing then they launched an update and finally I could go above 20fps, but even in space specially in big stations and FCs my frame rate drops to near 10 to 7 fps so I can't really get off my ADC in my combat/ax ships . Not to mention in AX CZs I play in 5 to 8fps, I am probably the only player that haven't got an FC in-game yet after 2 years of being in the game just because of performance and playing "fun" activities with terrible performance which makes them painful not fun. And the on foot CZs let me just not mention those, I sometimes go and play 1 hour in Gforce now cloud . -_- Performance is a big issue I hope it gets fixed specially for on foot settlements and space stations 5 fps is pretty bad if u can't tell Fdev! And FCs .... I'm gonna cry. !!

[@jamesdinius7769]

I'd prefer if developers gave a spread of specs for different performance levels. The requirements for 30 and 60 fps+, at each preset quality, for common resolutions (1080p, 2k, 4k, etc). Be clear and honest about what your game requires.

[@XENONEOMORPH1979]

do you think that why the ceo was changed over to jonny watts to take the flak and move on ,the development was not enough ,that could possibly mean the developers themselves had not the knowledge to make the fps any better than the older version of elite dangerous.

[@TheYamiks]

No. CEO change was due to the WHOLE company changes and reasons , not ED alone

[@XENONEOMORPH1979]

@@TheYamiks so why is the fps such low when you are in gun fights are the developers to blame or the ceo just gave out the minimum possible for cheaper graphics.

[@Galerak1]

I'm with you on the whole 'screw American date formats'. I find it amusing that they're adamant that it should be month-date-year... except on their most 'American' day, the fourth of July 😂🤣😂

[@ledoynier3694]

Hey, what time is it? ... oh it's 10, and the 25th second of the 43rd minute. you're welcome :p

[@deathtodiablo7402]

Which is why your culture is dead, you know these things about America yet Americans literally do not care about your thing

[@baconoverlord7982]

Don't be jealous. You can move here and if you're awesome enough even become a citizen...

[@tristansuarez-perez2346]

I consider recommended specs to be medium settings 1080 at 30 frames and minimum to be low settings 720 at 30. Perhaps my interpretation is a bit archaic though

[@dalastshooter9316]

Personally ~~ i love elite and honestly i have t gotten out of my ship since i bought my dominator suit. I’m really just chilling in ceos and sothis.. ❤️

[@Kakker71]

I love Elite. Loved the game since 1984 on my Spectrum. I have not bought Odyssey because I only play in VR, and this game is still the best space sim to tick all my boxes. Fairly realistic and you can play it the way you like. But I´m still curious why Frontier is not able to run the game smoother still. I think they have done amazing jobs in the making of the galaxy, ship and station design, planet generation and so on, but stuttering and low framerates are still an issue and I was wondering, if the game could be made better with a new graphics engine. I don´t know much about it, but looking at other games that produces stellar graphics at >100 fps just make you think.. I´m running a i7. 9700K with 3070 RTX card and a Pico 4 headset. Most graphics settings at low or medium, and it´s not optimal in any way, but playable. I won´t buy Odyssey until it is possible to play the whole game in VR and the performance is usable....but oh, would I love to!

[@Indyofthedead]

The one golden fleck in the turd that is FDev's respect for its player base, I have to admit, is that it was the driving force for my frustration that had me discover some Latvian guy on youtube who goes on about horse colons and penis ships and splicing single frames of my little pony changelings into videos. So, I guess I would miss all the turd-dishing content if FDev became a respectable, customer-friendly company.

[@lazynoob7977]

strange, i have 3770 - 32 gb - on ssd installed - 1050ti - 600+ Mb( ussualy is 850+) and my fps on high with few tweaks is over 55, sometimes having some drops to high 40's but not to ften. is smooth strangely 🤣

[@TeamPuzel]

I play on an arm MacBook and the original game runs at 60fps on ultra settings and 2560x1600 (emulating windows), it’s so well optimized The new game does not work especially well and it’s not even better 😔 I’m just sad they split the player base, it’s so quiet now

[@Darhhaall]

I would consider 30fps acceptable - but only on medium setting and on 1440p, because thats the standard I am expecting from average setting with recomended hardware, not lowest of low. This game really shouldn't run worse than Cyberpunk 2077, but somehow it is.

[@ravenragnar]

They also need to speed up ships and jump range by 50%.

[@thehipinmyear]

Great video, Yamiks! Nailed it!

[@RukasuReidar]

Even with an RX 6800 XT in ULTRA settings at 1440p with no FSR, frame rate still sucks in settlements, conflict zones and stations. My Ring: Ryzen 9 5900 AMD RX 6800 XT 32 GB RAM NVME 1tb samsung 980 pro

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

Sooo... The dead horse remains dead. 1k hours in. And I am so fallen out from Elite that the last time I tried to play again I lost it at the clunky disembark and foot controls during combat on the ground... Uninstalled and I don't think I'll return anytime soon.

[@ruansilva8939]

I think the worst part is the fact that the game doesn't have too much content going on foot besides mercenary missions or exploration... and yet they keep not adding more stuff to it, they could put like ground mining hotspots where you could use an specific Mining srv to drill the ground, while protecting it from raiders, maybe also having ways to upgrade settlements in missions or whatever, just have more ground based content for an expension that had it's whole theme based around "space legs"... ALSO, lets not forget about the COMBAT, the fact that they went with the "Use thermal for shields, then kinnetic for armor" makes the pacing of the combat waaaaay too annoying, not to mention the fact that plasma weapons completelly makes using other types of weapons obsolete... they should overhaul it.

[@adrianwilliams6577]

I don't really have a problem with the performance of Elite Dangerous, the majority of the mess introduced with Odyssey's introduction has been cleared up. Still I wouldn't mind if FDEV delivered more compelling reasons to keep playing.

[@thehipinmyear]

Oh, God... It's SO reassuring to hear that it's not a matter of lack of hardware capability on my end. I stopped playing, haven't been on in months, because I couldn't do conflicts without getting nauseous. I love doing the conflicts, though I get they aren't perfect, by any means... still, it's the main thing I like to do, and I can't do it. lol pretty fucking sad.

[@FakeJeep]

Performance should be higher, period. Also my graphics settings keep reverting to LOW every time I launch the game since an update months ago and it's god damn annoying...

[@mirandela777]

Fully agree with you mate ! I bought Odddy some time ago, when Cyberpunk 2077 was released. Both games sucked hard at release, one more bugged than the other. Almost 2 years later, Cyberpunk is a jewel, exceptional quality graphics, great optimization, and will not lose FPS and performance even when one applies TONS of mods on top ; Other, is like an old dog in 3 legs, with an AI from the 1980 level, crappy optimization, rig overheating and FPS drops , exactly like you show, even on medium rigs / my case, almost identical rig specs ! ) . After all this time, I come to the conclusion Cyberpunk had a pro, experimented team behind, competent guys, and Odddy is ruined by a bunch of incompetent kids, aka "developers", with low or even horrible codding skills, and the management is just full of sh... Yet, like you said, they still dare to ask 40 bucks or more for this crap...

[@stylie473joker5]

The only saving grace for this game is to either change the engine or do a complete engine overhaul, i mean just think about it they struggle a lot to keep performance on a barren planet in odyssey now imagine if they add an earth like planet in the next years lol i'd imagine it'd run at 2 fps

[@sirnukealot84]

would be fun to see you try the new 3.18 patch for star citizen with first version of salvage :D

[@TheYamiks]

when it comes out

[@mekboy7403]

I recent got a decent gaming PC and migrated from Xbox to PC and picked up Odyssey when it was on sale expecting it to be better by now. Well, it ran well for me but by far the worst problem was it wasn't FUN! The shooting is surprisingly decent but how they did enemy health and weapons levels is trash. I had to run to 5 different stations to find a couple level 2 weapons just to do decent damage. Then I found out I had to do a whole other engineering grind to improve the FPS gear and I just quit. Lost all interest after that. All I wanted from spacelegs was hop out of my chair in the middle of a long flight, grab a cup of coffee, turn on Galnet and put up some posters or something. But according to the devs no one wants to spend time running to the bridge to take off, yet they make up get out the ship, and ride an elevator to get to a room to see Odyssey missions and gear.

[@AVTor7615]

Core I5 11600h, rtx 3050 TI for laptops, 16gb RAM. It can run on low settings with average 60 fps but it's definitely not ok. It cannot be ok. I understand that it is a laptop but for this game it should be enough to run smoothly on middle settings. I still remind that the update isn't even based on gamers' requests, so "it's not even close to ok" x2

[@AlexKaduk]

I've join during ED Horizons and enjoyed the hell out of it for 300H of playtime, was very excited about ED:O and pre-ordered it just to bump into unplayable performance (i7 9th Gen, 1660 Ti, 16 RAM). I've stopped playing and checked it once in 6 months just to see that the baseline problem is still not resolved, even after two years... What's worse, performance worsened significantly even in space parts of the game that used to work fine, without any visual improvements to show for it. I just don't get it. It's such a pity, CMDRs...

[@mirkzemus9519]

I have 4th gen i7(4790k) with 1660 ti and 16gb ddr3 ram... i run all setting on high or ultra except for shadows, set at medium. I run at 1080 with amd cas and fsr turned off. I get 90 fps all day long, while only occasionally dropping under 60 during intense 10+ player instances fighting thargoids with ax-i. Dont get me wrong, I dropped ED like a bad habit with the poo release of Odyssey, only returning for the Thargoid invasion. Odyssey is night and day from release and if you are having "performance worsened", I think the problem is with your machine and not the game. And sorry for defending the game, It is still super lacking in in so many places. But for my experience ED:O actually is playable now, and claiming it has the same or even similar performance to it's release is just dishonest.

[@AlexKaduk]

@@mirkzemus9519 Interesting. I'll try this out again. I don't have performance problems anywhere else except ED:O, visible starting from the very first training mission. Would you share your detailed settings, please? 🤔

[@mirkzemus9519]

@@AlexKaduk not at my comp but shadow settings where the biggest issue, i just set them to low while keeping anti-alias setting somewhere in the middle and everything else to high and ultra... I also set the max refresh rate to 90. if ground settlements have too much stuff goin on, the draw distance setting can be lowered but I can live with temp 45-60 frames on the ground, but remember toying with that to keep frames topped at 90.

[@PsyTechnical]

My 3080 laptop with 5900hs is doing swell! I suggest a fresh set of specs, Yamiks. Mmmm, fresh specs!

[@mirotillmann5240]

dont forget the f-ing "scientists" that try to sell you superglued attachments as state of the art engineering

[@shperax]

They should have spent the time converting over to UE5 instead of trying to get the Cobra engine to do things it can't handle.

[@alansouthwell2899]

Bought EDO at the end of last year, played it for a week then it crashed to desktop mid game. Now it crashes EVERY time I try to get passed the Continue screen in open or solo. My PC exceeds the recommended spec and I've raised it on the tracker, but I'll probably die before Frontier get round to looking at it. The waste of money is bad enough but the ineptitude of this company is staggering.

[@mgmanten]

I upgraded to a 3070 card, but it doesn't matter for onfoot combat. Because even 250fps can't save it from being mediocre :(

[@Taggartize]

This company literally sunk their game and reputation with a dlc lmao

[@TheYamiks]

Their reputation : not fully. As a publisher they are MEH or simply too passive to be worth (as we can see from financial reports) and as other game devs... well they seem to be just as passive in communication & development ..