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[@M1.942]

Bro I love your videos keep them coming ❤👊

[@user-sv4rp3yd4x]

The fact Gary's having to shift that scubby and its still that fast. Huge respect

[@David-qi3hd]

Straight cut manual.

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@Islam_is_the_truth.4 Nah, sequentials shift faster than DSG. He's clearly shifting a H-Pattern if you watch the in-car footage, he's not pulling back on a sequential...

[@brucewayne2397]

@@Islam_is_the_truth.4 its just a ppg, its identical to stock it just takes more power and makes a nice whine, 1-4 are ppg with a stock 5th i was going to get one for mine but i needed stronger for more power so i went for a stronger 6 speed. The shifting is all him..

[@vxsr33]

Yeah he is actually a really skilled driver, not easy to shift perfectly like that.

[@Nordlicht05]

As a true DSG owner you now assume your gearbox is toast and take it apart 😂

[@tootruesheep872]

I think the biggest difference between these cars is that anyone could lay down similar results in that golf r, however only Gary can lay down those results in that scooby, if that makes sense. both wicked cars, but i'll take the scooby all day long 🔥

[@roseyboi1]

💯

[@HealthyMotherfcker]

You must be off your rocker if you’d choose that banger piece of shit Subaru over that stunning golf R.

[@tootruesheep872]

@@HealthyMotherfcker fr tho. i get why people get golf r's, i really do. they're very consistent, reliable, powerful and fast. but there's something... unique about that scooby. i know it's less reliable, and isn't as usable, but it's just somehow, a bit cooler and wantable. idk. both cars are fuckin sick, love them both, but scooby for me.

[@dylanwakley2553]

@@HealthyMotherfcker it’s very impressive and all but it’s a bit boring, just point and squirt with the same 2.0 4 banger as every other car out there atm

[@pointblank6]

Everyone and their dog owns a golf. Dull as shit.

[@diodak39]

Gary is kind of guy that reduce his hair to save weight

[@BarrackOcody]

LOL, i'll use that as my excuse for balding... 🤣

[@skylined5534]

Doug, the kind of guy to...

[@Lakisleon]

Gary, the human DSG.

[@garethlatcham5993]

Gary is a legend... I used to go out in his Renault 5 turbo back in the Chelsea Cruise day's. Still drives his cars like they are stolen. Respect Gazza ....

[@leeelliott429]

Love the scooby ( biased as i have one ) Golf R is a very popular car, brilliant performance from both, but the scooby to get a 3.16 0-60. that is seriously fast for a manual. Great episode from OG

[@DoubleDrastik]

Legit super car fast for sure 💪🏾💯

[@spookyreaper1702]

If that subie had a bit more power it would be the fastest awd manual on the channel 😱

[@suhail1200]

Golf r they only good 1/4 mile and 0-60 after that they fall off considerably cuz of aerodynamics n stuff.

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@spookyreaper1702 It's mad that the 800hp R34 wasn't much quicker. You lose a lot of time if your shifts aren't on point eh lol

[@spookyreaper1702]

@@_Professor_Oak bit afi was sending it 😅maybe a quick shift gearbox or something woulda made the time better

[@Auditography]

Love these races. Enjoyed this one a lot! So close. Cheers!

[@chemikaze]

Scooby is a treasure I would love to keep in my garage. The looks, sounds and performance are unbeatable.

[@adivarso8175]

Gary's car looks and sounds like an RC car.... incredible driving, Incredible car.

[@alexb1593]

Big up Gary for driving like that! We all love to see it

[@keshhk1199]

No one can beat that boxer sound, gf8 all day every day 😍

[@austinamaya1139]

Boxer sound is freaking awesome

[@Fiat20vt]

Lol just a exhaust boys a honda can sound like a subaru youtube it

[@Fiat20vt]

But love a sub as old school

[@sgt-willkillu]

@Alan Finlay True. BUT...., A Honda cannot sound like a Subaru with an equal length manifold. A Subaru with EL manifold sounds amazingly amazing.

[@Awakening_wonder]

Unequal length headers ftw 🙌🏽

[@JD2ndcity]

Wicked Scooby, love the wagon body! That DSG didn't sound very happy, slurred like an old school slushbox.

[@br4d101]

It’s interesting to see the difference between old and new, Scooby driver is driving his car where as the golf driver is a ‘passenger’ he hardly looked at the race was just concentrating on the Rev counter!

[@msengineeringdavid3148]

He’s not a passenger clown

[@br4d101]

@@msengineeringdavid3148 think you need to re read what I’ve put and the context it’s in! Saying passenger implies he is literally not doing anything! ‘Clown’

[@msengineeringdavid3148]

@@br4d101 listen chump so are the professional drivers running 6 and 7 seconds in the quarter mile “passengers” where’s your fast car? What ecu do you tune show me the fast cars you’ve never put together slob.

[@br4d101]

@@msengineeringdavid3148 haha you see you don’t really know what your on about or what I meant! This golf R is completely different to driving a 7 second car, would be a completely different build and so much more, take a hell of a lot more than watching the Rev counter while flicking a paddle! Not slagging on the bloke or car just 2 completely different cars racing! All my cars I’ve ‘built’ n I’ve had a lot of them!

[@msengineeringdavid3148]

@@br4d101 you thought you were doing something when you typed this reply… you can’t even change a cabin filter

[@IrishPikeHunter]

Only awake and Jamie hitting us with a Sunday morning video,gotta lv the fella lol respect Jamie! I'm glad the scooby pulled one back at the end,these modern gearboxes are getting outa hand now days and making racing them with a manual gearbox a little unfair.

[@IrishPikeHunter]

@@realmusicreallife not as gay as you oap e39🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@IOTWVUVWTOI]

The fact is anybody and their nan can drive an automatic (or whatever you want to call any non manual 'box) fast. If you are laying times in a manual you are a legend. Non manual boxes are for straight-line hold on while the car does the driving people. World is full of clowns pretending

[@claudedottin1312]

Thing is all you guys is talking about straight lines when it is more car less driver on a road race is where it is more driver less car in a way…. But that’s why you get two different cars one for that emotional connection and a other for that sharp knife edge driving and paddle shifters etc don’t have to be boring

[@Jay-dx9fi]

@@IOTWVUVWTOI you sound like you get gapped alot and have a well formulated excuse for it lol

[@IOTWVUVWTOI]

@@Jay-dx9fi no I'm just about the raw driving experience mate but you sound like somebody who can not use a clutch pedal in a competitive environment 🤣

[@user-sv4rp3yd4x]

Been waiting all morning to watch this with my sunday full English, keep up the great work jamie 🔥

[@Kemosauve]

Needs to be an 'Officially gapped' award on these races. Tshirt perhaps?

[@kcube2548]

😅 thats hilarious. i want one

[@crxgator]

Sounds like the R wagon needs a better DSG tune. Plus for the drag race there’s always a DSG lag so that’s why they do better with a tree as opposed to dropping the hands

[@TehAnalog]

And tires from the sound of it

[@AA-fz2de]

The DSG sounded like it was slipping lol

[@TehAnalog]

@@AA-fz2de didnt sound happy thats forsure

[@Kerem-hc2lt]

Dsg wont fart if you do launch

[@crxgator]

@EXPOSING THE ELITE oh. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

[@BurekSaSirom5]

Golf going good for 400kg more 🚀

[@tasmks1]

Ive got a Golf R wagon, No where quick as these cars but love to see the races, I'd definatly love the subi for a race car but the golf is definately the perfect daily imo

[@dukafit7981]

Gota love the enthusiasm and commentary of both drivers!

[@ww3110]

Gassed to see this Scooby back! Shame he’s a Spurs fan 😏

[@its_marc]

I’ve known Gary more than 30 years and agree 100% lol

[@David-xc4us]

This is a car channel dude….we’re not interested in millionaires that kick a sack of hot air around some grass

[@ww3110]

@@David-xc4us Oh have a day off man, it’s the weekend, enjoy yourself for once 😘

[@MM-br3lv]

Topspur?? What’s that? 😂

[@nightninja8128]

Close races are the best. Love Yuri's personality and whip. Gary shifting the hell out of that Scooby too!

[@anonlincracing2484]

By far 1 of the best head 2 heads I like that u showed the re runs because driver error and car come in to it alot brings alot of personality to the race

[@mrproffesorr75]

One of the best content creators in the car community hands down. Keep it up Jamie!

[@focusgreg4136]

Both drivers put in work👏🏽 FANTASTIC RACE 😎

[@moarif9139]

Love these OG battles bro, in my own opinion: a car that drives itself vs a car that you have to drive, these modern VAG's are soulless

[@davidrowley6500]

Yep,not much skill driving an auto,stick it in drive & put your foot down,I'd rather have a manual box too

[@AlmightyJ97]

Man I wish I could have that r wagon with a manual.

[@TheStevenBateson]

A computer reacts faster than any human will ever and can and often times will improve times. new technology that is better and more faster doesnt mean something its' "soulless". The golf R's Ea888 is still a far more reliable platform than an already old ej platform, I bet the scooby is a fully built motor and hes touched every part in the powertrain, where as from factory, you can bolt on a few upgraded bits (turbo, downpipe, intercooler) and make 500 whp reliable enough to let your kid borrow the car to take out. I bet half of the people that say this shit daily a stock wrx and dont have the driving experience themselves to back this. I wonder why all the best super cars in the world now come in a dual clutch or some other auto. You literally cant tell me auto is not going to be the way to go when its literally how every hyper car and super car is now...

[@TheStevenBateson]

@@moarif9139 kindly come up with a better come back homie. You're just showing me how little you really can say back to me. Some advice, don't comment on my physical appearance, it just shows how immature you really are.

[@TheStevenBateson]

@@moarif9139 I literally could say what you said about anything. "you don't know anything about the cars I've owned" the fuck is that supposed to mean? Do your fucking research. Even people I know who own these vehicles know they aren't necessarily something to look for power in.

[@zerocool123567]

love the old skool. dont matter if it aint as fast as newer stuff, its the feel of driving them. Jamie, i think it would do wonders for your channel to do a old skool build.

[@jamianwolfe6486]

That rolling anti-lag helped the Suburu in the rolling race. He already had all the boost while the VW had to spool. Very evenly matched cars . The Suburu driver is flat out awesome and really does have DCT shift speed.

[@Ascottie75]

Great battle, being a Subaru Impreza owner I'm happy to see how competitive the waggon was.

[@JJ-sx6de]

Gary doesn't give anything away - that's one guy you don't want to play poker with lol

[@AstraBen22]

What an awesome head to head! The way that R estate took off from the line was amazing. That Impreza is an absolute weapon though, what a car! Another Smasher OG!

[@romazhukov1775]

Красава Юра! Новая школа хоть и пожирнее, но а обиду себя не даёт 😎👍🏻

[@mattsamuels3607]

Not sure why the Golf R guy is using the paddles, let it rev up bro 😎 saying that always great content Jamie! 💯

[@hjms7977]

Short shifted a few times too which makes no sense for a stage 3 car

[@HarryG98]

No point if it’s making peak power below Rev line

[@owenscallum4565]

Another banger jamie ! Can these start being an hour long please 💯👌🏻

[@JJ-sx6de]

These are the two of the most down-to-earth guy racing well done Jamie 👍

[@gtjust8188]

Yes! Love this Scooby, chuffed its in a battle 😊 Great to see Yuri back too, gutted he's not wearing the jacket though 😔

[@1nsanejochem]

That Scooby is sick, the Golf R has the DSG advantage and still doesn’t beat it.

[@amaximus5753]

The Subaru is 350kg lighter, it weighs just 1150kg lol, and that's not a stock gear box. The VW is a wagon lol and still weighs 1500kg with the rear seat removed, so it's heavy.

[@FB6K24Z7]

@@amaximus5753 your saying the VW is a wagon and like the Subaru is not both are clearly wagons

[@football4lyfe34]

Hes manual shifting the golf too losing secs on the shift..

[@football4lyfe34]

@@czierwo do u own or have owned a dsg car? Manual shifting is slower then letting the car shift itself smack ur self 🤦

[@football4lyfe34]

@@czierwo I can look up the definition too I have a Golf r and plenty ppl I know have dsg cars u don't manually shift dsg specially on a dig its been proven

[@user-ec8uw2vp6v]

This is why I won’t sell mine. Can’t beat the sound and the drive.

[@russellwilkinson2954]

This is by far my favourite channel on KZbin,keep it up buddy 👍 👏

[@renzar5016]

Been in Yuri golf can say he has embarrassed a few people who think it’s “just an estate” both are incredible cars great video

[@KillAllWipers]

GARY! TOP SHIFTER ! 🤘🏻 That man can shift those gears shiiiiiiish

[@David-xc4us]

Love the classic scooby’s….would love to see a 2 door on here

[@lonetrader1]

Ditto

[@Joshkemponcars]

Man like Gary got the best driving poker face! 🥸 another awesome video Jamie, a really interesting video and comparison. It seems like the technology in the Golf outweighs the weight difference between the 2 which is astonishing considering the Golf is 350kg heavier! 🤯

[@bentdog8917]

Great pairing,cars & nice owners. Great video Jamie bro!! 🙌🏼

[@strikeeaglemodels1588]

Loving the WRX 🚀 Great races guys! 👍😊🍻

[@user-kw6tq8ud4s]

this is STI because the car has a EJ 207

[@andrewsanderson6904]

Great episode. both nice guys. everytime I see an impreza it makes me miss my type R :(

[@liamsmith7398]

Gary's scooby is the dogs nuts! Absolutely love that wagon! Gotta be my favorite car to date that ive seen, watched or been in.

[@ballistic20vt]

Great vidas always mate! Might be nice to add some more events. Something like 100 to 200 or some variation of it. Will eliminate the launch control factor etc. Maybe even a slalom to bring in the handling side. Not all cars need to be drag cars to be 'relevant'

[@CarGuyLife]

Cant beat a classic subaru impreza! 💯

[@mattsamuels3607]

You can… an Evo 🤭😂

[@doctormoore5937]

@@mattsamuels3607 Ah the great debate! Hasn't happened on the channel yet ;) but I do love an evo too!!

[@mattsamuels3607]

@@doctormoore5937 I’d have the Golf R over any Subaru but I’d have an evo over a golf R!

[@machidaman]

Wonder how many of you guys have owned both? In JDM guise the STi's are every bit as good as the Evo and special edition STi's are almost always quicker cars. UK spec cars not so much...

[@doctormoore5937]

@Nibo Dude, read up, carguylife said you cant beat a classic subaru, next guys says "you can, an evo", then I said it hasn't happened yet on the channel. Meaning an evo hasn't yet beat a scooby on the channel. Dw I keep up with affairs and I have a 400+hp scooby lol

[@msquared6695]

I don’t bat an eye when see a Golf R but I always admire a good condition Scooby

[@gopium1976]

So true

[@muffinatordlux]

Love them both... as a family man.. either would do in my garage.. preferably both... Used to have the golf sv 1.2 with like kiddie pictures contravision on the back windows.. launch that thing off the line no one expects... took every gap in traffic

[@dannyboyle6110]

Love both these cars! Although how on earth is the golf able to launch so hard on a standard gearbox without blowing it to kingdom come? Brilliant video as always!

[@CarsByVincent]

I would personally have the golf r, but all my respect goes to the Sti, that thing is something special, and the driver too

[@jackphilipallonsmith6841]

Loving the little teasers at the end

[@johnhagebeuk8]

I allready loved the Carwow dragracing but now i can watch even more Dragracing thanks to OG thanks for these epic battles brother.

[@jamief1799]

Both drivers did very well Garys driving with them shifts 👌 got to love that boxer growl both humble just the way racing should be done

[@Leeholtom2911]

Dam Gary can shift!!! Most fun battle I’ve watched

[@kilian8596]

I love how the Golf squads down when launching🤩

[@samuelbartle7136]

Great video nothing between the two really nice to see the old skool keeping it fresh well done drive. Little motor addicts tease at the end.....can't wait nice one Jamie 💥👍

[@MotorAddicts]

🤙🏻

[@type1krush205]

BEST (CLOSEST) STREET DRAG RACING IVE SEEN ON YT ! MY HEART WAS RACING LITERALLY 👏👏

[@audiwankenobi361]

This is one of those battles that I just HAD to cast to the BIG TV over breakfast ya understand?!

[@madmatt5661]

Who needs a DSG when you've got Gary shifts 👊

[@MV-ri7zu]

Who needs DSG when youve got a sequential both are effortless to shift 🤦🏻

[@prodzzperfect3991]

Incredible race, on the drag race the turbo kick of the subaru was perfect and made the difference 🤩

[@jelhaj7769]

the way he pats the dash after a good run. That's his machine truly

[@sukhrajdigwa2341]

Another epic video 💯🔥🔥🔥

[@tmoneyirl]

Good start to the morning 😂👌🏻

[@Jonesy303x]

They were epic races. That scooby is different gravy! Another wicked video Jamie.

[@Dizzle21]

Enjoyed this one!! Both drivers crazy in sync off the line!

[@DjNikGnashers]

Love that Golf, awesome car, just needs the R badges removing. Not sure I could strip out the interior of a 2017 car myself, seems too new !! 2nd drag 1/4 mile they left the line absolutely identical, it was a perfect race, and the Golf proves it was faster off the line, not sure the Impreza would have pulled it back, as proven in the 3rd drag race when they seemed to leave the line absolutely identical again. In the roll the Impreza clearly went first.

[@tbbmw_m240i]

Lovely vid, it would be nice to have the 100-200 time too.. :)

[@Pandamonium004]

That 1st to 2nd short shit in the gf8 was the only thing letting it down in the drags, crazy how close the 2 performed, seeing the subi pull in the roll race was proper good stuff

[@timbeckley9972]

Oh yes, the motor addicts are bk in town, so greatful for Jamie for putting me on to them, good group of lads,

[@MotorAddicts]

Much appreciated buddy, see ya soon 🤙🏻

[@timbeckley9972]

@@MotorAddicts you are most welcome... Its always a pleasure to watch u guys at work, and messing round in some fine cars, well maybe not that cart thing, but was hilarious lol 😂

[@OwainF]

Jesse spotted at 9:52, wonder who he's going to be against lol

[@F4R182]

Imagine getting an 11.5 quarter mile time and being disappointed with it lol

[@crxgator]

If I had 500 hp, I would be too.

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@crxgator Tbf 500hp and 11's is about right for cars in their weight class, 600hp+ would get them into the 10's, 750+ could potentially see 9's. I've watched thousands of drag races on YT lol...

[@crxgator]

@@_Professor_Oak no it’s not. My 350 hp Alltrack ran an 11.9. Normal Stage 2 Golf Rs are mid 11s.

[@crxgator]

There’s a difference between watching and doing and I guess you are the example.

[@warrenbuffet1910]

My Galant VR4 Is doing low 10's

[@harryharry9524]

im sorry but that rolling race is absolutley MAD, Gary's build is crazzzyyyy absolute mental. would love to do a wrx wagon with just a showcar interior big dream

[@dannykennedy5885]

This channel , like always , makes me proud to drive a subie! Nice run boys

[@Vaniter]

Rooting for that scooby!

[@flippingcars101]

BRO I LOVE THIS SUBARU AND TO BE HONEST IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE BUILD QUALITY OF A WELL BUILT WRX SUBARUS PEOPLE ALWAYS SAYING SUBARUS ARE NOT RELIABLE NEEDTO GET THEM BUILT PROPERLY BECAUSE THIS CAR HAS BEEN SMOKING EVERYTHING AND STILL LAUNCHING LIKE A WRC RALLY CAR…. LETS GO SUBARU

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Any car properly built with no expenses withheld will run fine, people mainly bash EJ powered Subarus because they’re unnecessarily high maintenance from the factory, cooling issues that should have been fixed from the factory to lessen detonation/ringland failure , a baffled oil pan should have been added from the factory to ensure rod bearings don’t get starved of oil…

[@turboeverything1505]

My man Gary really enjoyed that 🔥🔥 there both very close matched loved this 🔥🔥

[@boostconcept_]

I got a GC8 WRX basically the sedan version of the GF8, what makes them so fast is the power to weight ratio, mine was making just 280hp 16psi on a TD05 Turbo, and I chopped the hell out of a 1jz IS200 making 300hp to the rear wheels

[@MotorAddicts]

Great day!!

[@desmondsenior721]

Gary should open a shifting school

[@MV-ri7zu]

Shifting school for sequentials?😂 Thats not a true manual gearbox. Doesnt even need to let off the throttle

[@cryptikreap795]

@@MV-ri7zu you must be a little special, thats not a sequential at all, thats a 6speed H pattern, flat foot shifting is something that can be obtained stock with an cobb accessport lmao, stay mad he shifts faster than you

[@MV-ri7zu]

@@cryptikreap795 1:40 ppg straight cut 5 gear. So a dogbox. Even the sound alone should have told you that but you decided to make yourself a clown

[@TheZohanLohan]

@@MV-ri7zu it's a manual 5 speed h pattern trans with upgraded gears. Still need to use the clutch..

[@MV-ri7zu]

@@TheZohanLohan it has straight cut gears why would he need to use the clutch?

[@FullSendThrottles]

Just two top class guys in top class cars having a good time! Another EPIC video!! 🔥🔥

[@retro80s80]

You need to do a rolling race from 70mph. Well done Gary for showing old school is still VERY relevant👍🏻 if it wasn't for the scoobies, cossies, evos the Golf R and Audis etc wouldn't be like they are now.

[@justingrainger6627]

That golf sounds like the world's longest fart on wheels. Awesome cars though 🤠

[@JimmyMartinm3power]

Getting a like before I watch 👍🏼 Love this content Jamie 👌🏼

[@minibotpc]

Such flashbacks to my cousin owning 3 different generations of subarus are amazing cars. I use to really want one as a kid! Amazing car Gary!

[@stefanroseEP3]

Ill say it before ive even watched the video. The scooby is 110% still relevant, 10x more exciting to drive than any modern DSG car

[@DTLaw00]

That DSG in the Golf sounds like its starting to struggle almost slipping.

[@niclasbalan1614]

It’s normal with launch control. It’s always slipping. They want it tho. On stock internals it can handle up to 800nm of torque.

[@cupra_1p172]

It does sound odd 🤔

[@crxgator]

Yep, he needs a better tune. Probably should go TVS stage three or four

[@ahemgee9542]

Yeah the shift into 2nd especially was very delayed.

[@garybailey1602]

I was thinking the same thing, mine shifts a lot quicker than that and runs similar low 11 second 1/4's despite being 100bhp down on it.

[@annon-ski7985]

Great line up, glad to see the sub again, love the old school.

[@evanenright1376]

I think its clear to see Gary is well used to racing, the way he had it perfectly in the powerband for the roll race was just epic

[@Tieuw]

Yuri's cluthes are slipping big time

[@kindsir1256]

The guy in the golf is shifting mega early!!! Watch the last drag race again… strange!

[@hjms7977]

Especially for a stage 3 car ... peak torque is quite high and so is peak power! So strange

[@tommorris9826]

One of the best og battles I’ve watched 👌👌👌

[@MrDeanandrachel]

What a fantastic match up. Having previously owned a scooby wagon some years back I’m loving that Subaru it’s a right beast 🔥

[@joshedwards208]

Classic subaru any day love them plus Gary can drive that car

[@Alandixon88]

All about the Scooby. All this modern stuff doesn’t need driving, you sit there and it does it all for you 👎🏻

[@pb3382]

Scooby isn't exactly hard to drive either though? Both were changing gear manually with a simple tap.

[@Alandixon88]

@@pb3382 i could sit in that Golf and run those times. All modern cars are the same. Literally no effort involved. That Subaru still has a sequential gearbox and involves driving, unlike the Golf with its do it for you DSG. I’ll take old school over the modern cars anyday

[@Michael-yz4mc]

Ok grandad

[@pb3382]

@@Alandixon88 but changing gear in the sequential box is a peace of piss also, even at that, with an old school manual, its easy to get the launches. And gear changes spot on also.

[@claudioarends2899]

@@Alandixon88 its not sequential. Its a straight cutbox. His still shifting manually. No taps. But mad respect to both cars.

[@mditani]

Nice one these two cars close to each other, very very fair race, enjoyed it 👌🏼. Thanks

[@TheKaymonsta]

Here in Moscow it’s been many years of arguing about that kind of races.. old cars are old cars, and you still need to struggle, sweat, be nervous, always repair smth. VAG is a type of a car which shows stability, you just need to push the pedal. And no more headaches about your turbos, lambdas, fuel pumps etc.. but old Subaru is always fun... in my opinion every person needs both of them - fast VAG for comfort and fast daily driving & fast old jdm car for weekend fun. Different emotions. Had both VAG and Subaru, miss them both