Star Citizen: Should you buy the RSI Perseus?

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Neo-RSI has the best design in the game. They've advanced the design language a lot since the Connie and Aurora.

[@DufulPlays]

FUCK U SAY BOUT MY AURORA😖😭😭

[@taccntb4345]

I wont buy anything more until I see a return on my investment. CIG can start with NO 3000K's!!! The game is barely playable...

[@MrEsphoenix]

@@taccntb4345 not that it's not an issue that needs sorting, but I was on for about 4 hours last night with no 30k. I did phase through existence once and wake up on another planet, and the lifts broke once, but overall not a bad season at all.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

@@taccntb4345 It's alpha, you're paying to be able to dick around in an unfinished game.

[@ra_cooke7630]

@@taccntb4345 30ks are the least of the current issues.

[@AndrewDavid84]

Hammerhead eats Bombers, Perseus eats Hammerhead, Bombers eat Perseus. Cycle of spaceship life.

[@sgt.doughnut5918]

not really, hammerhead eats small craft, Perseus cracks corvettes, polaris eats capitals. basically the hammerhead keeps small craft off the fleet, the Perseus exists to kill things like the hammer head and the polaris, and the polaris exists to crack open things like the idris.

[@aimedshadez101]

@@sgt.doughnut5918 and small craft are a threat to the Perseus. OP makes a valid point

[@Rebotified]

Naaa ya still fuked for bombers

[@Dumb-Comment]

@@sgt.doughnut5918 the perseus can't really defend itself from bombers

[@therealdontclickme]

Hammerhead>Polaris>Perseus>hammerhead.

[@wathak504]

Im excited to pilot it from that bridge overlooking those size 7 cannons

[@onik7000]

So you want to be a pilot on someones else ship?

[@th3orist]

@@ronbirch6877 the polaris has been a concept for 4 years now and its production has not even been teased. normally we get to see a raw 3d model at least half a year or more before the ship is coming into the game. my bet it that we wont see the polaris before early 2022. so 3 years for the perseus seems like christmas...

[@esthare1315]

That's not how things works, it's not the time between concept release and ship ready release that make its production time. A lot of ships are paused for some time because of missing tech feature or unforeseen priority.

[@insaneapples1559]

@@esthare1315 Whitebox to release is about 2-3 years for a small ship. Capital ships are, well... let's just say none yet exist in game. Idris was supposed to be released years ago and still counting. Nobody should hold their breath for Perseus. The hype is for backer money.

[@Badd.G]

Rather paypal me the $600 , that will really make my christmas

[@ClarkH7]

I really like this new design language for RSI. Thanks for the review as always!

[@STLYoungblood]

You got it!

[@dixons05]

Lol watches morphologist once

[@STLYoungblood]

@@dixons05 what do you mean by this?

[@dixons05]

@@STLYoungblood I’m not accusing you of copying him or anything don’t worry lol I was talking about Clark’s lexicon on his comment

[@Dolhedew]

I am obsessed with this ship and it's barely more than a concept. Damn you, CIG, for appealing to me!

[@cjak4958]

Same, if I could convince myself to irresponsibly throw $600 at it I would

[@th3orist]

@@cjak4958 luckily (or not) i spent quite the amount over the years on this game so i just can melt something for it and buy with store credits...

[@Lem0nsquid]

its designed for ramming speed clearly

[@ceilyurie856]

Same, USS Sisko's Pimp Hand

[@louisking1393]

I just want a Cutlass purple party van!

[@pythregius]

And for those who don't know the HH and Harbinger are loaners ship for the perseus

[@capnrotbart]

STLYoungblood: *"...and if you are spending real-world money on buying a ship using it is the critical part of it."* My concierge brain: *whaaaaaaat nooooo*

[@MaximizedAction]

Same lol

[@LordShenanigan]

I use a credit card. It's not real money so it's fine.

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

The entire buying experience is meant for FOMOs like me. Horrendous buying experience, overblown image selection, loose description that can mean so many things. Yep, can't make proper judgment on anything but spend or miss opportunity. It has been around since 2012-13.... and it works. So why should CIG make backers reflect anything before pledging?

[@Naviss]

Totally agree. Hammer just has more use cases. But damn I can't lie, The Perseus is a sexy looking ship! Love the interior layout too. But I do wish it had a couple more remote turrets on it for AA defense. Huge weakness.

[@vinct7023]

Perseus + Hammer in coop will be a lot of fun. Add a couple mantis, fighters ans stealth scanning ship and you prepare some fun moments!

[@argus0018]

@@vinct7023 Assuming you get together the roughly 20 people needed to run that fleet. You wont be able to make huge profits if you have to divide the outcome by 20.

[@vinct7023]

@@argus0018 Agree. attacking and defending is going to cost. Credits are not done this way but through industrial activities like mine, repair, salvage, trade. Not so much different of EVE in concept except we will get much more various different gameplay than Eve.

[@Wayne72LEVRAI]

Honestly the Perseus will be able to shoot everything are Large size (from conny to capital ships) so that make a lot of ships. Even the small ships (specially bombers, like every ships of this size) need to be in number to make him a scratch, yes is not very well suited to fight against them but if you fight only 2 or 3 of them you will win anyway. This ship is not defenseless.

[@Derzull2468]

@@argus0018 Sometimes it's not about the mindless grind ;).

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

This is a tier4 escort ship, together with a HH escorting eighter high value (890j) or high capacity Hull D, Hull E convoys through dangerous space

[@SCTimbal]

STL, I think you missed one good role for the Perseus, which would be larger convoy escort. Minimal crew and slow speeds to keep up with the convoy would be perfect matches, as well as the ability to push out the engagement range with those larger guns. Also, pairing them up for bombardment missions at range would be pretty well suited for them.

[@SCTimbal]

Forgot to add, one glaring design flaw is the lack of SOME sort of medical facilities. With DOAS being a thing, larger military ships SHOULD have a medical area.

[@laurentguyot3362]

@@SCTimbal For escort missions it is not needed

[@sovereign6291]

Flip that on it's head and it's a perfect pirate raider.

[@Derzull2468]

@@SCTimbal It should not have a medical facility. No large ship should, except the ones that are supposed to be autonomous away from civilization for long periods of time like the Carrack and dedicated medical ships. What's the point of the Cutlass Red, the Apollo and the Endeavor Hospital otherwise?

[@SCTimbal]

@@Derzull2468 They have distinct roles, but they're not part of this. I'm not saying there should be full hospital facilities, but every. single. ship. in. ANY. current navy has at bare minimum a small ships' medical area, even the smallest of the small ships. Keeping wounded people alive until the ship can limp back to back to base to then pass on those severely injured to proper medical facilities (either at port or via something like an Apollo or an Endeavor) should be a thing for all ships intended for combat use.

[@fnz972]

8:05 you assumed the Hammerhead would win a surprised engagement... When you said armor is an important factor earlier in the vid. If those S4's can't pen the armor of the Perseus (likely the case since the Perseus is probably slow due to heavy armor), it doesn't matter how many turrets the Hammerhead would be able to bring to bear; none would be able to cause actual damage.

[@billyhyde1415]

I don't think there's a snowball's chance of EITHER of these ships sneaking up on the other.

[@XxDrSmithxX]

I'm more curious to see how effective the Perseus main guns can be at blowing off the turrets on the HH. Or even other large ships as well if we can can target specific parts of ships.

[@goawayihavecommentstomake1488]

Same with the fact it has two large shields...

[@julopabene8736]

Honestly, looking at the Perseus, I think it is for a) combined fleet battles and b) support roles. In combined fleet battles, this ship will counter enemy sub- and small capitals, such as the Polaris, Hammerhead and Nautilus, so it is very much an Enabler for Major Capital ships, fighters and bombers, and capships again, respectively. But looking at its layout and the ability to carry an Ursa rover (or other future ground vehicles, still hoping for a more proper APC/IFV that is not the Ursa), I think it will be a major factor in ground battles and base invasions. It's so big and well protected that it can stand against Surface Defense Turrets and with four S7 ballistic cannons, I can't imagine this thing not popping turrets like it's no man's business. So, in my humble, probably never gonna own one of these opinion, I think the to-buy list goes: Hammerhead for general Anti-Fighter/Bomber duties, probably the best of the ships for smaller scale PvP and support for larger scale battles Polaris for dedicated anti-capital warfare and fighting off the big leagues, definitely more of a PvE ship (how many players will be flying a Bengal? Maybe vs Javelins, but I think most combat will be against AI driven capital ships, a la Vanduul incursions), so for large faction PvE Nautilus for a mixed purpose indirect anti-cap/anti-fighter ship for when you have time to set up. Depending on how large faction PvP will go and how players can claim territory, it could be useful for PvP, but like the Polaris, I see this more used as anti-Vanduul. Though one big usecase I see is just setting up some turret mines in a PvE conflict zone, sitting back and watching the firework of small ships getting ground, while keeping an anti-cap mine and the S7 guns to deal with anything larger that comes into view. This is probably best as a small faction PvE ship The Perseus now fills the last slot on this two-axis system, being effective against all sorts of sub-cap and small capships, it is likely to engage most of the targets players can actually afford, I think it can go up against a Kraken, a Hammerhead, a Polaris, Carrack, perhaps even effectively support against Idrises, and then also be an incredibly useful Air Support ship, so I think if you plan on doing large scale PvP, this is probably the ship for you.

[@Seajay1337]

It’s a sup cap sniping platform. Size 5 Torps have solid range. Once we see how the radar play works this thing will be a hunter killer. I got it because it reminds me of the destroyers from homeworld 2

[@riktor3005]

Goodness, I would hate to be on the ground in a tank or something else when one of these things show up in the sky.

[@Katzh]

you guys should open your mind a bit and stop thinking pvp only. this ship has way more value when it comes to engage vanduls and any pve target.

[@luckyqualmi]

Right. I see it as a nice ship for a "adventurer"-RPG group. In that case even a vehicle could become very useful. :)

[@NightmareDancer]

would make bounty hunting against ai hammerheads be more interesting

[@tropicthndr]

Your dreaming as if anyone is going to pay you enough to actually make a profit, all military ships burn through resources like a flamethrower and no one is going to pay you enough to amount to anything other than break even at most. Escort, bounty hunting, what ever, their all going to pay pennies on the dollar. You decide to use one of these you’ll be doing it as a favor, never to make money. That’s how CIG gets you, you just want to believe.

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

@@tropicthndr Technically the Perseus is a civilian ship. Basically a military ship that was refitted into a civilian ship with civilian parts. It will cost about the same to use as a connie it looks. Doesn't have any cap components and most of the hardpoints are medium. In fact it has less engines than a connie so it might burn less fuel but we will see. I'm sure this ship will grow a little and we might see some changes since that usually happens with cig.

[@goawayihavecommentstomake1488]

Yeah... I will be taking mine on mining claim and data centre jobs. Those sentry guns mean squat now!

[@Atourq]

So essentially a Perseus is analogous to coast water heavy gunboats?

[@aaronnelson7702]

We know one thing. It'll be in game before the BMM.

[@ReallyDazed]

*Weeps in BMM*

[@dasmoools606]

And the polaris.

[@m0nkeyman911]

will be in the game before the Drake Corsair

[@luc_mns]

"Cries in BMM owner"

[@laurentguyot3362]

I thought the BMM was in production phase...

[@Bluewolf1118]

Thank you for your analysis! I was considering upgrading one of my large ships to the Perseus, but I think that I'll hold off until I have a team to work toward getting one of these as a group once the game progresses further along.

[@tjbr50]

I really wanted this video's script to read: "yep"

[@redslate]

I think the most under-appreciated aspect of this ship is that it can essentially be manned by three people. With everyone obsessing over the larger/capital ships, so few take the time to consider how readily they can actually crew said ships. Niche role, but *very* easy to implement.

[@sovereign6291]

Exactly! I would easily take 3 Perseus(9 crew) over 1 Hammerhead(8 crew) or anything larger.

[@HotWheels1776]

With the recent bounty reworks and added NPC Hammerhead and Idris missions, and also what we saw with Xenothreat - the Perseus is looking a lot better than it did at concept. I’m still happy I picked one up. I do have a HH in buyback too. Which one I actually keep will remain to be seen.

[@brianknechtel]

Just want to say I enjoy your reviews thank you.

[@companymen42]

The hammer head is more of a close quarters brawler, while the Perseus is a sniper.

[@T51B1]

I think you're sleepin' a bit too much on the Nautilus. With its good shielding and armor, three turrets and huge amount of gun mines it can dump out, it could really put out some hurt.

[@xxcoolrick92xx]

Pretty sure it can only carry a few mines?

[@panmac8540]

@@xxcoolrick92xx It should carry 24 mines. But the the big problem there would be the time to deploy X mines. Would it take just a button to push and flood an area with mines or do you need to concider a couple of minutes for this procedure? But all in all i think the nautilus promises a more interesting game mechanic and would be a better pirate ship. Just think about blocking some travel chokepoints with it or backing up your quantum travel exit with mines to fck up guys who follow you.

[@panmac8540]

@@xxcoolrick92xx Overlooked it. There are 24 mines for now.

[@MrFalkor81]

large radar and 50% more shields than Perseus and from what i see you can't focus with this 2 large turrets (the fire arc is not converging except with side shot and this will present your side aswell so you can't use torpedoes when you use your main guns... this ship has some big design flaws if you look for fire arc and blind spots)

[@lystic9392]

@@panmac8540 We have seen mines deploying in animated concept art. It suggests that deploying the mines can happen in a matter of seconds, not minutes. You can probably pre-program them prior to entering combat. IF the Nautilus is carrying mines they ought to be taken into account in a direct combat scenario. And it has a missile turret that everyone keeps forgetting about. ^_^ Though that and its side-turrets are probably meant for small to medium targets.

[@MrDreiPner]

so going by crew - you can man 2 Perseuses and boom... Hammerhead wins 0% of engagements

[@Skycoder13]

And two hammerheads beats out a Perseus. What's your point??

[@MrDreiPner]

@@Skycoder13 Ok - take a look at the crew requirements with 2 Perseus vs 1 Hammerhead and 2 Hammerheads vs 1 Perseus.

[@UniquelyAwful]

@@Skycoder13 he literally said “going by crew” so...4 Perseus vs 2 hammerheads

[@gabzsy4924]

Well the DPS estimate was wrong by about half the amount we know today, so the Perseus would deal more than double the estimate in this video and completly obliterate the HH in any kind of scenario. He was right about the fighters being an issue, but only in swarms and if they take even one shot from those S7's it's game over for them regardless. Also for the value proposition argument...I am much more likely to use the Perseus because it only requires 2 other friends, than the HH that requires at least 4 other. And as for utility in a fleet, if your argument is that the HH is more useful because it deletes fighters...well guess what? If there's a HH on the opposing fleet theres a target for the Perseus to hunt and then you can say goodbye to your small fighters killer giving the opposing fleet the advantage of still owning the Perseus and the fighters.

[@TheKingoftheriff]

The range on the Hammerhead's gatlings is about 3.7 km. The size 7 ballistic cannons will have at least 5km worth of range. The Perseus will keep its distance, flying outward spirals, while shooting it's main guns off the side, slightly aft. That's how it engages a target like the HH. It has a lot more to fear from a swarm of small / medium fighters than a large target.

[@Hawkeye6941]

I think a large radar would be pretty good for it, this would make it a good hunter and help offset the fighter problem a little bit. And if it has a medical bay that be amazing.

[@jacobakhrass9133]

I agree maybe if they shrink the captains quarters and mess hall to fit a medbay that would be nice! A single bed would do, also a third or even fourth point defense turret near the front would be nice to make it a really good all round ship.

[@stimcitizen2640]

Great assessment of the Perseus Youngblood! It’s a unique ship class so far in the verse and I think you nailed it.

[@Evirthewarrior]

Having a fleet with 1 of these and 1 hammerhead support, would be fantastic, they would complement each other very well , these would be a strong backbone to a 30-50 man organization. I know people talk about Javelins or W/E but having everyone online, the logistics to support larger ships and crew them, if you think your small org is just going to be running around in a Javelin all the time you are fooling yourselves. If CIG does it right you will need a significant support fleet for Javelins and the Idris or you are going to 1 get blown up, or 2 constantly be running into issues that you have to dock for.

[@wotterthose4511]

agreed! i now have the perseus and the apollo and i'm definitely looking forward to being part of an org when those ships are out just for the support capabilities. would love to see a station defense blockade against an invading org

[@billyhyde1415]

My choice would be for seven fighters instead of a Hammerhead, but you're hitting the nail on the head. These are ships that complement each other, not ships that compete with each other. IMO neither should be used without a buddy that covers its weakness in some way.

[@Evirthewarrior]

@@billyhyde1415 I know people like to act to say "just bring another single seater fighter" but unless you plan on sitting around and waiting for targets to ambush or going places very, very slowly. Taking out 7 fighters, is not going to be a lot of fun. The QD is 2-3 times slower than a large ship and the fuel runs out very quickly. It is fine in the game's current state because, there is nothing to lose and you really do not have a ton to gain and not that far to travel. But once the game goes live, the fighter swarms are not going to be as popular in most situations you will find yourself in playing the game. Especially if you plan to go over a few systems and need to spend 2 hours in QD going from place to place refueling a few times.

[@ReallyDazed]

This is why battleships don't exist anymore.

[@laurentguyot3362]

yes and dont forget the enormous costs of operating those very big ships, javelin or idris are going to be financial nighmares. Even big orgs are going to think twice before moving this big babies to action. Using the right combinaison of ship is going to be the key to profitability.

[@absboodoo]

Would love to see a couple of these taking on Vanduul capital ships.

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

This version would get smoked but the military version would have been interesting to use in that scenario.

[@The_Draque]

gorgeous ship, probably in my top 3 best looking ships. I absolutely grabbed a CCU for this and am eager to see it in game, my best guess is that S7 guns will be great for anything freelancer sized or larger, which is most ships in the PU.

[@sovereign6291]

My thoughts aswell.

[@i2avi]

It's worth noting that in buying this now, you get instant access to both a Hammerhead and Vanguard Harbinger as placeholder. So you can eventually have the experience of both and melt/buy in game if you want.

[@rockseeker]

Good job STL. Nice and honest analysis of the Preseus real in-game value.

[@clutchgaming3588]

I think the Bottom Turret could be moved to the front, use the same room for access, and then add cargo space to where the back turret used to be.

[@sovereign6291]

That makes too much sense.

[@cslpchr]

According to the holo model, the bottom turret is mounted on the same rail system as the Scorpius' turret, meaning that it could potentially slide forward a little bit for a better firing arc.

[@wrexx7168]

You might want to revisit this video when CIG implements armor on ships. You’re figuring these ships combat prowess based on their ability to survive with just shields and health pool but not taking into account future armor mitigation as well as the change in ballistic rounds penetrating and damaging internal systems. They talk about how the military model of the Perseus had extensive amounts of armor on it so we can only suspect they may have left that for the civilian model as well. The survivability with armor and shields brings the Perseus to a whole new level in combat even up against the hammer head.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Having done some Org VS Org combat, i would aim for the HH turrets getting them out of acrion. if too close aka HH can shot back, the big guns should be able to hit the HH easily and it should not take to many shot, HH turrets have basicly no armor and are totaly exposed. With balistics the HH shield will not protect them. Ofc the counter the the perseus is the aris

[@redslate]

Or another Perseus ;)

[@laurentguyot3362]

or bombers (retaliator, harbinger, gladiator...)

[@rvebbevr]

revenents might not do anything to the physical armor of the perseus tho

[@jameshanna8762]

I imagine an Ares Inferno diving on the top or bottom rear, focusing fire on the S3 gun remote turrets. S7 gun turrets on the Perseus could not be brought to bear. All you would be facing for incoming fire would be one of the S3 gun remote turrets, which could possibly be disabled by the S7 ballistic cannon on the Ares, and then zipping past to position for another run. All ships are vulnerable to missiles and torpedoes, but this thing is vulnerable to smaller craft with ballistic guns, too. They need to add a couple more S3 turrets and make them all quads if they want the Perseus to be able to fend off fighters and torpedoes effectively. It may do well against larger, slower craft, but it is prey for smaller ships as it stands today. The Carrack once had a similar problem with a vulnerability from the rear. Thankfully, CIG fixed that turret blind spot. Lets hope they fix the Perseus before it hits flight ready status.

[@billyhyde1415]

I think you're mostly right about the Perseus being vulnerable to fighters, but I doubt one Ares could punch through its multiple large shields quickly enough to hurt it alone. You'd need to amass a pretty impressive strike group to handle it without some major losses -- and your Ares is easier to nullify with another fighter -- even something like an Avenger, potentially - remember, that fighter doesn't have to destroy your Ares. As soon as the Ares has to break off from hitting the Perseus, the other fighter has won the engagement.

[@jameshanna8762]

@@billyhyde1415 Good points. If the Perseus is in a fleet, fighters will be able to protect it, as you say. My intent was to illustrate the vulnerability to ballistic based small craft with their shield penetrating ability, especially an S7 on an Inferno. As we all know from experience, fleet maneuvers are few and far between. Most people buying a Perseus intend to fly it solo in the hope that they will be able to crew it with npcs. An Ares Ion may be a different story, altogether, as its lasers will be better mitigated by the Perseus' shields. The Ares will have to pick their time and battles, just as the Perseus will. Both are vulnerable to fighters. Fleet operations will be the safest bet. Very cagey pirate captains stalking lone larger vessels may also prosper with the Perseus. Solo randoms with npc crews are Reclaimer bait.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Having ships with weaknesses isn't a bad thing. In the same way the hammerhead is vulnerable to things at range, this is weaker against smaller ships, meaning the two compliment each other nicely, but in big fleet engagements it allows for more tactical play, as you try to pick off their anti fighter defenses.

[@killerkram1337]

I think with the future mission against the idris having at least one of these on field could be useful. Hopefully this is agile enough to stay out of the way of the rail gun but we will see.

[@MrEsphoenix]

I'd say polaris to do the bulk of the damage and to take out the shields, and one or two of these to take out specific components eg the guns. Against a bigger ships I see this more as a support ship to do more specific damage rather than to do the big damage to destroy a ship.

[@Michaentus]

I like it a lot mainly because looks like you'd be able to run it with as low as 3 people.

[@vengeance1]

I'd love to see the main Perseus turrets get some smaller size 3-4 turrets attached up-top, that track faster and can be used against fighters. Basically just like the Javelin side turrets if you've ever seen those.

[@ceb1970]

I think you nailed it. The Perseus is intended to patrol and instill fear. It may have more utility in forcing enemy ships to keep their distance than actually destroying them. Even larger more powerful enemy ships may look for another way around if they catch wind of the Perseus, as getting stung hurts even if it doesn't kill you.

[@kira68200]

I think the Perseus can be used as a fleet protector, for example your corporation has to make a "large" convoy ith transport/merchant hips, a bunch of fighters, a Hammerhead or two and one Perseus make a pretty rounded denfense fleet

[@ReallyDazed]

I want to see both sides but when I think of surprise engagements up close. Modular gameplay will be the bane of the hammerhead. The Perseus will see turrets it can remove with in a few seconds, close up and easy to find. They both start firing and within 10 seconds, two turrets are already destroyed and there is a fire in 3 rooms.

[@jamesp5923]

I think this is a great ship for Piracy. With something like a Cutty Blue (For the QED) and a Gladius to escort it, it would be good for hijacking large industrial ships such as the Hull D and Orion and anything smaller and stealing their cargo. Of course, this depends on what ships are escorting these industrial ships as they are unlikely to be alone.

[@Synthmilk]

I think it's likely, since this ship is intended to defeat sub-capital ships, that it not only has big ballistic guns for superior penetration of both shields and armor, but I bet it also has better armor than any other sub-capital ship, thus the slow SCM speed. They haven't included an armor stat for a while now so until that happens we don't know, but I think it makes sense for it's role and to explain it's speed. As you mention, with the Penetration system it's possible that, just like in real life, thick armor may effectively be invulnerable to weapons fire below a certain size/AP rating. So there would be three possibilities, firstly, the armor is thick/hard enough relative to the size/hardness/speed of the income weapons fire that it suffers no damage and can take unlimited fire of that type. Secondly, the armor is thick/hard enough to prevent outright penetration, but each impact does damage the armor to some degree, and eventually enough hits to the same area will weaken the armor to the point of failure. Thirdly, the armor isn't thick/hard enough to prevent penetration, at this point the relatively hardness/thickness of the armor to the hardness/size/speed of the income rounds will determine how much damage the rounds can still do after penetrating, and the armor will under sustained fire fail much sooner than in the second situation. If the Perseus is rocking near-Capital armor, then it's likely that Size 5 ballistics wouldn't be able to damage the armor at all in most areas, while the Perseus's Size 7's would easily penetrate the armor of everything Sub-Capital.

[@Jasta85]

I'll personally pass as I already have a hammerhead and I think it's useful in more situations (taking out ships smaller than it) whereas the Perseus is made for taking out ships its size or larger. It is good if you want to hunt larger ships and is a less expensive alternative to the Polaris if you want to hunt big ships, not just with up front cost, but requiring fewer crew and also not having to pay for expensive S10 torpedoes when it does its job.

[@Wayne72LEVRAI]

The ships don’t need to be the same size or larger, every ships from conny to capital will be in trouble against a Perseus, probably even smaller. The only thing the Perseus are not made for is small ships.

[@MrOEFVeteran]

From what I have seen, this is the closest ship in verse to a modern day hunter killer submarine, like the Virginia class. Able to operate on its own. Has the weapons to fend off just about anyone/thing that would go after it. But really suited for hunt for, closing with, and destroying the enemy. Id like to see the ability for a large combat ship/sub-capitol ship to be able to transport, drop off, support, and exfil a commando team. Also, this would make a great platform for a fleet scout/recon vessel.

[@explorer47422]

With its dedicated VTOLs, vehicle bay and underside S7 turret, ground assaults with the Perseus could be extremely effective in taking out ground turrets before landing to deploy ground forces without being too resource heavy to do so.

[@batmanofsweden5920]

Missed oppurtunity: Able to carry/deliver Nova Tonk to frnt lines. Also, people seems to frget the S5 Torpedo IS its defense against the more nimble fighters NOT part of the sub-cap offensive loadout.

[@thecanadianwill]

my face thing you do even though we may not always agree is you lay out how youd imagine how certain encounters would go down

[@duckdictator6531]

One thing to consider is the player investment. The hammerhead has 6 turrets and a pilot seat, possibly needing more, while the Perseus needs 3 or 4. Optimal numbers for each being 6 crew on an HH for most efficient firepower as opposed to the Perseus 3 to get at most of its firepower. Given an equal org size for this fleet battle, I think the Perseus is usually the superior ship. The hammerhead makes a lot of sense as an enforcement ship, but not as a medium/sub cap fleet centerpiece. In an org of 10, a Perseus fleet’s fighters should be able to hold off the hammerhead fleet’s fighters / bombers. The reason I’m considering it is because we want a good multicrew combat ship that can be run with 3-5 people really effectively. For us it’s coming down to the Perseus vs the Redeemer, since for us the price difference when factoring in the gray market is about $50. We will probably end up with a Perseus, though the Redeemer is attractive as an escort for our commercial or industrial vessels.

[@0Boogiee0]

I bought one for when i get ganked running boxes in my Aurora.

[@brandonporter6223]

lol

[@istvan5674]

There is a class of ships in most navies right below corvettes, called sloops, avisos or patrol ships. They are considered auxiliaries along with minesweepers, landing ships and other armed naval ships. So the Hammerhead, Nautilus and Perseus all fit in there, able to support themselves by being merchantman escorts. If you own one, get in touch with owners of Hull D's and E's as they are the ones able to afford your ship and its costs. Buy a little cargo (instead of carrying a vehicle) to help defray expenses. These things are a money sink otherwise. I know, I have a Hammerhead.

[@jsullivan649]

"Yes" Next question please.

[@STLYoungblood]

lol

[@necromorph1109]

Think I’ll wait till RSI releases the single player. Like they said they would / years ago.

[@STLYoungblood]

at some point.

[@Huneidu]

The Nauty's third shield could make the difference if the two slugged it out. Plus it has 14 SCU cargo more than the Perseus. I get a sense the Nauty will be the most expensive of the three (HH, Perseus, Nauty) but will have the most ship value overall outside of pure combat with a better living area, more options to do none combat jobs, the large scanner, etc...

[@Mika-yb1qg]

In a fleet to fleet (Ship+escort), the range of the Perseus is still a critical advantage if leveraged. HH's escort can't just leave the HH behind to engage (they'd be exactly "one Perseus" short). And that means the Perseus, there again, gets to open fire on the HH unpunished while it's own escort wacthes popcorn in hand.

[@Platinumsniper]

Hammerhead is a CIWS for fleet defense. Perseus and Polaris can be both defensive and offensive depending on the situation.

[@77arceus]

At the moment my orgs big ship killer is the hurricane. 1 hurricane kills a hammerhead in less than 5 seconds and there’s nothing the HH can do about it. The Perseus would be able to do even less about it. This ship is not meant to be a solo warrior but is designed to be a part of a significantly larger fleet.

[@dsagent]

Nah I'm sticking with my mustang.

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

Perseus seems to be build around having multi ship orgs, the design reminds me of a Monitor, a smaller ship with a single, big turret that's normally mounted on larger ships

[@MrDeleoAndre]

Best guide so far, thanks!! :)

[@spacecowboy4804]

Great points all around. I have three concerns with this vessel. Turret elevation and depression, (will both big turrets be able to hit the same target and and what range is the point of convergence), will the torpedo buff make the S5 torpedo's a viable asset (I have been flying harbingers and gladiators around and small torps are incredibly anemic), and lastly, will it have appropriate places to store weapons and armor. Respectfully, CIG, if the nomad and SR have gun racks all the corvette sized warships should have them standard. Just my opinion.

[@Ezzyduzzit]

The turrets are ballistics, you can see the ammo autoloader next to the chair.

[@MrEsphoenix]

I did some restructuring and added this to my now trimmer fleet. It's a nice ship, but will need support. For now it's a place holder which I'll hopefully swap out for a stealth cruise/corvette which I've been waiting for, but I certainly won't be disappointed if I get stuck with it (apart from the disappointment of them not having a bigger stealth ship).

[@Kna5041]

I think it's kind of important to state armor and automated turrets are not ingame yet.

[@tea6182]

Good analysis, thanks!

[@blackmanx5845]

LOL, HH with ballistics? Was that you @STLYoungblood that took us out last night at PO? We were in an HH and got shredded in seconds. LOL! Great video BTW, thanks.

[@einfachnurmarc262]

The only issue I can see is turret coverage of the remote ones. I feel like it could use another one on top of the main turret to fight off fighters and missiles.

[@Monk-Darlington]

I think a big point is for crew requirements, you could field 2 perseus to the 1 hammerhead, and eventually, crew not finances will be the limiting factor

[@STLYoungblood]

It was discussed

[@Monk-Darlington]

@@STLYoungblood yeah i kind of jumped the gun and commented mid video

[@lixioncfc8745]

Have a Polaris so this not for me but it will be a welcome back up in fight over 4 ares

[@MrEsphoenix]

Yeah. I think Polaris is better overall as a stand alone, where as this will be great support as part of a fleet.

[@Wayne72LEVRAI]

@@MrEsphoenix i think the Polaris is more a support and situational ship than this one imo. The cons of Polaris are still the same, too much crew and too big for his role, making it a bigger target. I will be glad if he was downsized to the Perseus size.

[@MrEsphoenix]

@@Wayne72LEVRAI The polaris is designed to be a self sustainable patrol vessel, or flagship for a militia. It's certainly a specialised ship, but unlike this, it's designed to better work alone, with things like a hangar, a better point defence system with anti fighter missiles, and bigger engines for running down ships or more importantly. running away from threats. Not to mention things like a med bay and armory for expanded operations without support.

[@N31FFA]

Why does it beat 4 Ares? It can be popped by 2 Retaliators just like that. Aries would be harder to swat away. And if you kill one there are 3 others.

[@sovereign6291]

@@N31FFA Your thinking in a vacuum. People will use Retaliators reactively or when planned. This thing is a hunter killer and people don't actively fly Retaliators as daily drivers let alone more than one of them especially with a higher crew count.

[@marktvcturner2448]

If both turrets get at least that 200 degree firing arc I think you could find a skillful team will get good at kiting opponents and just racking up hits at a range outside everybody else's maximum range. Thanks for a cool video. (I think I want one :) )

[@DanglePunch]

I saw this and assumed it was basically the reverse hammerhead, hammer shoots at things below itself this shots at bigger things well. Mostly because the explanation for the Ares implied smaller guns won't even be able to really damage the bigger ships, so yes the hammerhead can probably get a gun on target easier but if they don't do a lot who cares. Plus the range different is kinda bonkers, and whilst yes the hammerhead is faster, it's not stealthy, and isn't that much quicker to close the gap without taking a pounding.

[@Godwinsname]

I think the Perseus is a good pirate ship: Hercules, Hull C, Caterpillar, BMM, Reclaimer are all at the mercy of it. Ransom for profit.

[@maxzoaltv4092]

They have 2xS7 gun on 2 mounts the second turret, this one is at bottom is retracted inside the ship like connie turrets

[@Zach-rw6jf]

Perseus is designed to focus forward fire against larger ships from further away, while the Hammerhead is designed to be able to take out smaller ships from all directions simultaneously creating a sphere of destruction. Obviously there's overlap in capabilities, but I think that's where each one specializes. I think you're right in that the Hammerhead is more defensive, being able to fend off a surprise attack, and the Perseus is more offensive getting most of its value when it gets to choose the engagement distance.

[@themeddite]

I think the Perseus is the Sniper of these Large Ships. For example the Ion has a rank of a little over 7km. It will also most likely have a higher velocity and do more damage since so far only on S7 repeater is in game and its recommended you use it after shields are down. I have two Perseus ships. While I can get a full crew I can actually split the crew into two and run the other one. Two targets are harder to hit than one it also means there's atleast 2 turrets on target at all times. Fully crew them both some times 4 big turrets.

[@blackjack7364]

the bottom placed main turret will be nearly useless placed there. it can not be depressed down and it cant shot the same target as the top turret to concentrate all the firepower of the main guns. in my opinion they had to move the bottom main turret forward like the top main turret and replace some thrusters the landing gear so the firepower can be used better.

[@gregbagel791]

wish it had one more auto turret on the bottom front, give it a good solid number of turrets at 5 like a tallie

[@UncleFester84]

I would have considered it if i could swap the stock guns with energy ones, both the big ones and the remote ones

[@serrethindustries9468]

The Hammerhead can NOT get more than 3 turrets on a single target. We did a lot of testing on this.

[@naemek9675]

I'm pretty sure you can get 5 turrets on one target while the pilot points at it.

[@serrethindustries9468]

@@naemek9675 IF you are really close, like maybe fifty meters, and you're shooting at target that is bigger than a Hammerhead, maybe.

[@fenrisiansummer3777]

Regarding the turrets, I wish the size three towards dorsal stern was another size 7. Balance could be it has even lower anti-fighter/missile, but punch much harder. Also visually it would look better, but maybe that is just me

[@wilemelliott]

the more I look at the armament and specs...shes the WW2 Destroyer Escort. About half the main turret firepower as a Destroyer of the same era [DEs had 2 5" rifles, to the Fletcher class destroyer's 5], a couple of AA mounts [2 twin 40mm in the case of the Butter class DE], and torpedoes to make them a valid threat against larger ships. The DE were also a bit slower [24 to 28 knots] than DDs [35 knots] which also fits the fact that the Perseus is slower than expected. give her flak shells and the size 7s might actually be a threat against fighters at range. And as show at the Leyte Gulf [see battle off Samar] she may not be able to hard kill a cruiser, but she can definitely render one combat ineffective by damaging sensors, weapons, and other soft target points even though the size 7s can't penetrate the hull armor.

[@danielthibault8470]

Interesting comments. I was thinking of melting my Mantis and buying a Perseus, I think I will have a look at the Hammerhead again aldo it requires a bigger crew. The Retaliator could also be an option.

[@Grenadier-]

If you want this ship, buy a warbond nomad, then ccu it after melting a few ships in inventory to save you a few bucks. Only other things I'd say about the ship is I wish it had a landing pad on the back capable of holding something like a C8 to serve as a general runabout for crew and getting speedily supplies. Same goes for the Nautilus, other then that, this is a pretty cool ship

[@MyTFisch]

You don't have to be on the same level. You can rotate your ship so that both guns can work. If the enemy ship is to your left and above you can rotate to the right until both turrets can hit.

[@sovereign6291]

as well. Good old broadside.

[@Dolhedew]

I think the Perseus and Hammerhead will be a killer combo for any fleet

[@TheRutok]

I think you are right at the end: this is a pirate ship. Huge forward pointing guns with long range, cargo space and while you can have a crew of 6 or 7 you only need 3 (so the rest can go board the enemy ship).

[@DawnstealerGaming]

My general idea (now, almost two years later), is to bring all three to help protect my BMM and Hull D. HH to kill littles, Perseus to kill bigs, Nautilus to lay down a bubble around the ship - friends wanting to trade can come on in, but if they turn red, they're about to have a very bad day.

[@artsolano6762]

Perseus will be able to put holes into the Hammerheads from a distance. As long as the Perseus keeps its distance, the Hammerhead is dead. Perseus weakness is against small fighters. It needs a fighter defense or fighter wing escort. Orgs without a Hammerhead or Kraken handy will need a long range fighter escort of Vanguards or Defenders. I think the best pairing is a Perseus and a Kraken.

[@luckyqualmi]

I wonder if you could squeeze a Perseus at the large Kraken landing pad? xD

[@Platinumsniper]

Don't exclude Nautilus that easily. It can make a nice ad-hoc capital in support of the HH, Polaris, and Perseus once it has expended all it's mines. It can also monitor the mine field for any defences as an ad-hoc EWS.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

Build a small task force with a Polaris (with s scout or AWACS as the carried craft) at the center, a pair of Perseus and 4-6 Hammerheads supported by a Vanguard Sentinel and a squadron of Wardens ( or a mix of Wardens snd Harbingers) and you have a nasty little fleet.

[@jcadence4761]

Great rundown!

[@rvebbevr]

the size 3 turrets can be automated too so the point defence is easy not pesty

[@MDoomhammer]

i do not really see the problem with a target above or below... all it takes is a rolling action....cause it seems both main turrets have no problem engaging a target to the side.... also, imo the armor penetration of the bigger caliber will be the deciding factor in the perseus vs hammerhead engagement, once armor is in.

[@atrior7290]

To me the Nautilus has those two S7 Guns to finish off any prey that has fallen in its mine trap. It's a Spider in its web, waiting to bite on any wondering creature unable to defend themselves because they're too busy trying to escape/defend form those mines. Those S7 are the fangs of the Nautilus. And it can lay web everywhere to be annoying and deny acces to an area.

[@liamhoffmann2181]

Can ships still be detected if they are powered down? Cause that would be a great mechanic if you use one of the long range detection ships to find you enemy, then accelerate towards them and power up once in range

[@TheDude50447]

powering down components decreases EM and IR signature. Though the IR signature is very slow to go down. But a ship this size is very hard to hide in general. If you wanna go stealthy try an eclipse or prowler. Sabre works too.