Stockfish Has Fallen

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[@LoveSharan]

"Try to copy what these engines play" Yeah, that's what got me banned. Thanks.

[@obi-wankenobi5411]

Lol

[@tomie7699]

Suffering from success

[@blahsomethingclever]

Lolol 😅

[@abdulrahmanoweidah456]

Nice one 😂😂😂😂

[@dolbitnormalno8294]

awww Jesus Christ lmao haha

[@sermartyn9850]

It would be very interesting to see the evaluation bar for both stockfish and leela at the same time to see how they evaluate the current position.

[@longofire236]

Nice idea

[@MadMan123654]

I would die laughing when Leela's eval bar goes skyrocketing after stockfish makes a move it thinks is equal

[@krish8804]

i think leela evaluates position very different than stockfish, like u could see +0.5 on stockfish, wheres leela would show +3.

[@null1700]

It wouldn't work well unless evaluation is given by those cloud engines, that actually play the game. Browser or local engines are obviously too weak to provide accurate analysis

[@Anzuo]

​@@null1700I think that's the point. That sort of information should be logged and published as the games are being played. I reckon you could compare them and see some interesting results

[@viv9352]

Stockfish never fails to play the top engine move

[@death0910]

true

[@w925gaming6]

Intresting.....

[@BonBonBerti]

It's been 5 mins

[@w925gaming6]

Yes I made a typo get over it

[@yourlocalchessteacher]

fr

[@dutchboes]

Levy never fails to review an entire game then say "but that didn't happen"

[@alexiscoutinho8078]

That's why it's so engaging :)

[@kokobroxd]

"but instead of that"

[@louiserocks1]

When I first started watching him, and was like a chess beginner, I found it kinda pointless, annoying, waste of time, but now I find it interesting how it could've played out and it actually explains why certain moves are better than others (where you have to think many moves ahead) so yeah it's more interesting like that

[@yousef14x]

Hi

[@dutchboes]

@@yousef14x hello person i dont know

[@slowlylosingitaaaaaa]

I'm amazed that levy didn't find a way to squeeze magnus into the title

[@AmazingEmerald]

😢

[@dolger4308]

Don't tempt him

[@stephenallen4635]

didnt take him very long to work magnus into the actual video though

[@FrutoseDeMorango]

THE MAGNUS CARLSEN OF CHESSBOTS!!!

[@miggle2784]

STOCKFISH HAS MAGNUS!!!!!

[@dmen89]

It's absolutely staggering to see Leela play this game. Stockfish plays like an absolute bloodthirsty demon but LC0 just Sun Zu's through it relentlessly. I am far too smooth brained to understand the plays but it's gorgeous to watch

[@ishkanark6725]

Which is why it's called a zoo

[@jordanmungo917]

To be fair every game in this video is LC0 playing white from a position that is slightly winning from the opening. Stockfish would win these positions just as easily if not easier (most likely) Still cool to watch, but it's not some nail in the coffin of Stockfish

[@alveolate]

@@jordanmungo917 were they "slightly winning from the opening" tho? the second one had leela losing a bishop at the start. white generally has a very tiny advantage; but i don't think that microscopic advantage matters that much among the top AIs, especially when they are programmed to do theory moves in the opening. but yea, definitely far from stockfish being donezo... yet. what would be amazing tho... is if stockfish actually learns from these losses and starts dreaming up counters for that h6 pawn from leela. it would be spooky if we can actually track stockfish's evolution in terms of chess theory... what if stockfish actually stops playing like an aggro demon at the next tournament and starts positioning defensively/long-term like leela did here?

[@killerdoc1077]

@@alveolate openings REALLY matter to the AIs

[@clgr1323]

@@ishkanark6725 UNLESS ITS A FARM

[@siddheshdhomane7642]

it feels like stockfish has been trained on humans and leela has been trained on stockfish

[@peterkovacs184]

It is actually Leela generates data, that both Leela and Stockfish learns.

[@zaccherradi618]

Pretty sure stock fish is still the more powerful engine

[@sonphantrung]

@@zaccherradi618That's for sure. Stockfish loses one, wins a bunch of others.

[@walidali8669]

​@@zaccherradi618Not anymore

[@DampLover]

@@walidali8669 So what tournament did Leela win then? Superfinal: Stockfish won 52-48. Cup 12: Stockfish won 14.5-13.5. Swiss: Stockfish won at 15.5 points, Leela second at 14.5 points. FRD league is currently running, might be where Leela actually can win for once. Stockfish shouldn´t be this dominant if what you say is true.

[@josephstalin9046]

Stockfish has fallen, pieces will be sacrificed, billions will be checkmated

[@DrRachi1]

Is that a chess version of the beginning of ultrakill

[@CommonMan-m1b]

Stockfish says," You can't " Leela and Torch say, " Watch us "

[@keithmiller8510]

Caught some fresh got ham 👏

[@tiletapper4ever]

Leela beat stockfish? Interesting

[@Jordan-ud4qv]

@@tiletapper4everLeela played with an elo of 3642. I believe you would find this interesting.

[@gregrowsey843]

Yeah watch the video. @@tiletapper4ever

[@arunthebuffoon4554]

Are you saying 3642 is the ELO estimate for the current game or Leela's overall ELO?

[@anjanikumarranchi]

Always good to see Stockfish getting humbled.

[@just-shaquille]

Today's stare was quite suspicious, and exquisitely simple, yet royal in its regard. 11/10, thank you Levy.

[@peeriuga5517]

haha fr

[@tiletapper4ever]

11/9

[@sealcraft4353]

fiddle with da cow fat and a bean bag biscuit do you know?

[@matthew5330]

@@sealcraft4353 what- 😂

[@KenzogVR]

My video froze on the first frame for like 7 seconds so I thought it was just a really long stare XD

[@donlennon-f3z]

The Similarities between Levy and Stockfish are insane as they both play chess.

[@twoguys21]

Levy will find a way to talk about Magnus in a computer chess tournament.

[@osgubben]

So did you😮

[@ZAJETANAZWANIEEEE]

Really immersive video Gotham. Played this on my TV and I felt like you were right there in the room with me like a little human in the TV explaining chess to me

[@maciejglinski6564]

xddd

[@DudeWhoSaysDeez]

wait, hes not a little human in my tv?

[@2Complex2]

If we were on Reddit I would give you an award@@DudeWhoSaysDeez

[@contruq]

Psychosis got me

[@BabitaKumari-hk9ci]

​@@DudeWhoSaysDeezhe meant TV mai kaisa dikh Raha hai use samjhana chah raha tha.

[@SchuhCat]

Stockfish never fails to include Levy in Chess

[@MorningNapalm]

Chess never fails to include Levy in Stockfish.

[@dakaramotto.]

Levy never fails to include Chess in Stockfish.

[@zes3813]

wrr

[@Srioll]

Would love to see how Stockfish handled the same positions as white. Would be really interesting to see where the two computers deviate from one another in these paired games and how that ends up affecting the result of each match.

[@LRXC1]

This!

[@alessandragreco1342]

Stockfish never fails to play chess

[@IAmebAdger]

​@bobbleisawesome r/woooosh

[@IAmebAdger]

@bobbleisawesome I know, it was tongue in cheek

[@BuggatiWeryon]

Of course he never fails No need to do it, I r/wooooshed myself

[@Slim-yu1ud]

Stockfish has fallen. Billions must blunder.

[@mycovore]

Your AlphaZero vs Stockfish breakdowns got me into your channel and into chess in general. You are very good at commentating chess games and making any game interesting

[@NatoBoram]

Leela is a successor of AlphaZero, which is pretty amazing!

[@chessbergen]

Well, the result doesn't surprise me, considering Stock Fischer is just Bobby Fischer's brother.

[@nathanrazaf5259]

As Leela I can confirm that Stockfish has indeed fallen for me

[@markhathaway9456]

You saying Stockfish is carrying a torch for Torch? 🙂

[@QuentinKLEau]

Well, for me it has fallen after going neural network...just after Leela won TCEC. It has to be noted that Stockfish is still the champ, but after going NN, it was just crushing opponents, including Leela. Seems the situation is getting re-balanced. I was expecting this thing to happen because Leela's approach in algorithm is better in the long run but its success is linked to the progress of computers.

[@JustAnotherCommenter]

@@QuentinKLEauyou're like the 🤓emoji except to an extreme level

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

​@@JustAnotherCommenterWhat is wrong with you?

[@G4M3R1R0N]

​@@QuentinKLEauyou didn't get the joke OP is saying stockfish is crushing on leela

[@raspberrytaegi]

i love levy's enthusiasm and characterization of stockfish as a bully lmao

[@preparedsurvivalist2245]

Something I'm learning from these engines. Its not just about gaining space. It's denying space. In that second game Lela completely blocked Black from its side of the board and patiently pushed its way closer to the other side while preventing black from getting past its front lines.

[@michaelblankenau6598]

Isn't denying space the same as gaining space ?

[@preparedsurvivalist2245]

Not exactly. You can restrict the movement of your opponents pieces without actually gaining any space of your own. @@michaelblankenau6598

[@thatrespectablehuman1884]

@@michaelblankenau6598 usually gaining space would mean squares on the opponents side of the board and protecting your side you would just call defense or prophylaxis or something like that

[@michaelblankenau6598]

My point was that if you’re gaining space you’re at the same time denying space to your opponent …

[@preparedsurvivalist2245]

@@michaelblankenau6598 I mean yes, obviously...if you look at it as total squares captured and controlled. But I was more looking at it from the standpoint that moving forward and gaining squares can be done while allowing infiltration into your own side of the board. But if you deny access to your side AND move forth and gain more space, this is what the engines do.

[@bobfox3717]

Getting his pieces into the action quickly is how Morphy played. And his opponent's pieces were stuck in the mud.

[@justsomeguy-d6p]

Excellent video Levy. Love these engine deep dives. The different variations that you explain give a much better understanding of these complicated engine moves. Would love to see more videos like these in the future.

[@iceymonster4675]

Love when you do chess engine reviews, Levy! I'm an avid TCEC watcher, especially the long time control parts of seasons and bonus rounds. Love your content! Sending love from New Zealand!

[@matthiasbillue4358]

25:30 “It’s like when the attack side in a sport…” love these hip analogies

[@IrinaGreenman]

This was such a fun video to watch! I don't usually care so much about chess engines, but you've done such a good job explaining why they're important to the evolution of the game PLUS weaving a narrative around this competition... dramatic and engrossing!

[@0_Ed]

Stockfish falls and breaks its neck Levy: 😃 👍

[@Athaullah-g3b]

Stockfish never fails to play a key role in gotham chess videos.

[@CanaanZhou2002]

These engines are like chess avengers. Stockfish is the team leader, Leela is the calm and swift female character, Torch is the new kid in the team who comes from a rich family, always naughty, and super aggressive in fights.

[@Anonymous-8080]

AlphaZero is the self made successful guy

[@14crusader88]

*Billions must calculate.*

[@Ancestrally-Guided]

The impression saying "imma take the knight cos knights are tricky" that's me 😂

[@DvdAvins]

Leela is today's Karpov.

[@0_0ba]

stockfish and LC0 never fail to make levy adopted.

[@OG-YT]

Bot comment 🤖🤖

[@0_0ba]

Im not a bot kiddo

[@0_0ba]

Im a real person

[@thehapppotat9470]

This is like watching 2 4 dimensional beings battling, I have no idea what’s going on

[@MochoCoLaTo911]

Haha I love the way you giving " Personalites" to the Lila and Stockfish ❤😂😂😂❤

[@imri1273]

Leela just so u know

[@Whyisthisathing825]

Leelo and stitchfish, one calmed, the other absurdly aggresive

[@pola_behr]

@@Whyisthisathing825 Leila and Shockstich, strategic thinker vs the wild card

[@vapecrackreal2024]

nah it's layla and stuckfish wtg? you guys can't spell

[@imri1273]

@@vapecrackreal2024 stuckfish is stuck at 3600 elo

[@lebeta9411]

The engine has fallen, billions must calculate

[@better_than_u8844]

Stockfish never fails to play the top Hans Niemann move

[@carterjorgensen5782]

Help! I’ve fallen and I can’t get up - stockfish

[@MorningNapalm]

That second game was very Magnesian, all pieces out, all pawns reluctant to move until the exact right time. Amazing. This is like watching Hikaru adopting 2750s.

[@liloheinrich8659]

It’s funny how much having an eval bar has become standard to look at as a source of truth, but with bot chess you realize you don’t actually know what the evaluation is cause the bots disagree

[@noahd8673]

Poor stockfish, even though it almost always wins the overall matches Levy never fails to make videos where it seems like it lost overall.

[@acho8387]

Stockfish has fallen, millions must play Leela

[@psyxh_stxrm]

I like the fact that Levy is happy after Stockfish's death. Good job! You made me spontaneously combust

[@plumber1337]

One of the things that amuses me in these videos is watching StockFish Junior looking at StockFish Senior getting its crap beaten to an oily pulp 😅

[@elliechen139]

Nah report that fish dude for cheating. Ain’t no way he can play all the best moves

[@cbass2238]

Stock fish has fallen Billions must bongcloud

[@Yea___]

I wish we had soy emojis

[@philwithcheese]

I would love to see content like this with both eval bars. It is interesting to see the stockfish eval bar be like "it's a draw" and the a few moves later be like "just kidding I'm losing". Curious to see what the other eval was at the same time.

[@prithvisinghpanwar007]

the importance of chess psychology

[@derekweber552]

So, basically, Stockfish's aggression decimates any human players, but Leela's perfect defense negates its advantage. And thus, the unstoppable force can't touch the immovable object.

[@Pharmaceutics]

I mean what you wrote sounds cool and all but end of the day stockfish is still stronger and has beaten leela more than vice versa

[@derekweber552]

@@Pharmaceutics Fair. Theoretically though, a bot like Leela would be the one to overtake Stockfish, I would imagine

[@Pharmaceutics]

@@derekweber552 yeah agreed, the way it looked like it knew stockfishes play style and actual tendencies in these games was a bit unnerving ngl

[@samuelvavia8920]

Counterpoint: "All things must pass" George Harrison

[@Pharmaceutics]

@@samuelvavia8920 key word ‘is’

[@Greeneon6073]

All tournament games should end at checkmate

[@beyourself182]

Levy's phrase "Slowly, methodically, improve." never gets old.

[@L.G.X.69420]

*Starts bullet game*

[@axelrice7422]

last game looks like the bullshit i play in bullet

[@NotNuke9]

Stockfish never fails to feature levy in a video

[@Figgy20000]

Kramnik literally just tweeted that Leelas play was "very interesting" and should be investigated. Noone is above the law

[@dogeatburrito]

stock fish never fails to put levy in its videos

[@jingjingzhang8179]

Stockfish never gets attention even though it's still absolutely destroying everything else.

[@theoncomingstorm7903]

This, its still considered #1 engine but half the comments are convinced A0, Lc0 or Torch are better solely because Levy only shows the games where said shakeups occur and not the ones were SF16 expectedly wins.

[@JamesLogan-q7l]

Stockfish never fails to raise Levy’s kids.

[@empiar5481]

The stockfish has fallen Millions must improve

[@carterthiessen2664]

If Leela keeps this up, it might become as accurate as Hans

[@-_Nuke_-]

Leela is playing like Ginger GM on steroids! That Harry pawn is really something for leela :D

[@toyaoren772]

Stockfish's chess never fails to speak for itself

[@dejazO0]

LoL i thought they will just stuck in loop playing same and same again 😂

[@dungeoncat5238]

The real matchup is gonna in 2 years when stockfish faces off against the top general use AI models. ChatGPT 7 vs Stockfish would be a sight to see.

[@LilithTrill]

Current chatgpt gets smacked and tries to play illegal moves so unless they build some actual intelligence in stockfish will smash

[@theoncomingstorm7903]

Current GPT still doesn't really *understand* chess. It can just get further into a game before losing track of everything and dying. Unless there's some kind of new breakthrough in the way GPT fundamentally operates I doubt it will match GMs, let alone Stockfish.

[@бахнувпельменв]

chatgpt and stockfish - both neural networks but chat trained on words, stockfish trained on chess, that means stock wins

[@Unndecided]

GPT 3.5 instruct plays well Allegedly, it has a strength of 1800 elo I wonder how GPT 4 instruct will perform considering how GPT spT4 chat gave Levy a run for his money

[@recog3825]

Levy has taught me to sound like I know what I'm talking about before hanging my rook

[@JasonFisher]

We know we're in the final form when they don't even play. They just shake hands and one King falls.

[@ataferdos2069]

Stockfish is gonna be real sad when it finds out it played all the best moves and still lost.

[@eboatwright_]

I second the motion to make more engine videos! I've been writing my own for the past month or so, and it's about 2000 blitz on Lichess :)

[@TannerSwizel]

LCZero foiling the castle essentially took two pieces for one, the pawn taken and the h file rook stuffed in the corner for several more moves, unable to move to the center files

[@Bruzzzio]

Stockfish is our king He will never truly fall

[@ANormalGuyWithANormalName]

Stockfish forgot that en passent is forced

[@blaine2419]

This is a wonderful set of games. Beautiful. Love this.

[@thebeesknies]

He looks so uncomfortable in the thumbnail 💀

[@Shaun99-q6x]

Leela is like the strict teacher of chess

[@noahm1379badazz]

I love these chess engine videos and I would love for you to do more. It would also be fascinating to hear you kind of talk about the different theories that go into building these chess engines because Stockfish and Leela are built on totally different principles. I find that fascinating as well, but please more of this.

[@thewizardmelon7280]

Having seen this whole video 2 mins after it’s release - can confirm it’s a banger

[@coperProteus]

I think we all gotta agree.. Levy is the GOAT of making thumbanils.

[@anuragaggarwal9896]

Welcome back Gotham , you truly belongs to the good old days content that includes these types of exquisite engine games

[@gliff_creator]

Stockfish couldn’t comprehend a human playing twice itself

[@humbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

it'd be great if you linked the PGN (or at least the round and game # from the match) in the description :D

[@NatoBoram]

Providing sources? On KZbin? Pfft

[@samueltrewin3989]

Levy either takes stimulants or his jaw gets really excited for chess

[@alexdennard1727]

Levi is hands down one of the greatest chess teachers he helped me get from 0 to 1300 elo in about a year

[@richardthomas3577]

Likewise!! From 0 to 750 in 18 months!!

[@piganot1151]

When levy mouthslips his words

[@csganeshan5014]

The last game was so beautifully played

[@Asrtyulg]

IN THE BLUE CORNER, STOOOOCKFIIIISH *AAAHHHHHHH*

[@markhathaway9456]

They're like GM vs IM. Both know what they're doing, but one can do defense and offense simultaneously better. Great stuff.

[@FelixTheForgotten]

Don't get the wrong idea, Stockfish is higher rated and wins a greater amount of games against Leela. Also the openings featured in these games are notoriously bad for black at computer level. Stockfish vs Stockfish, Leela vs Leela, Stockfish vs Leela and Leela vs Stockfish all would result in a high probability of white winning the games. Don't compare Stockfish to an IM. :(

[@RedEyeLordofFire]

Yeah, SF also won as white in the Queens Indian and Scandinavian shown in this vid. Although Lc0 was able to hold the Kings Indian against SF.

[@MatteoHodel]

Levy never fails to find a "new best game he has ever seen" every week.

[@bababooeu7539]

Didnt think a fish could fall

[@AmazingEmerald]

Lol

[@Eibezukunft]

Gravity

[@AmazingEmerald]

@@Eibezukunftbruh

[@RandomDude1487]

Stockfish: You can’t defeat me. Mittens: I know, but they can. *LCZero appears*

[@energy9802]

Would be cool to see stock fish and the others play 960 or other chess variations

[@unvergebeneid]

I wonder if they would just draw most games though. I mean, this only doesn't happen in these games because of the forced openings.

[@cheez7100]

"I'M STILL STOCKFISH, I'M STILL PRESSURING YOU" - stockfish according to levy

[@bruhman7375]

“Stockfish has fallen” is something we’d wanna hear during the AI uprising tbh

[@38FerreroX]

As each position is repeated on both sides, It could be interesting to analyze difference in gameplans. Did both engines develop the same ideas towards victory? Especialy when there is a difference in the outcome (as it was the case for game 3). Why did Leela won as white but stockfish didnt win when it had the white pieces in the same position. Leela lost the superfi but it's getting closer

[@Lucas-to1ws]

Stock fish gained wings

[@CommonMan-m1b]

First Torch, then Leela Stockfish has indeed fallen

[@theoncomingstorm7903]

I mean SF still beats both more often than the reverse, it won this tournament overall.

[@KarmaJolt]

I would love to see you play against the old Nintendo version of The Chessmaster or maybe the MS DOS version of Chessmaster 2000.

[@videobox6147]

Stockfish never fails to put Gotham in a chess game

[@_HawkVR_]

Next is torch vs leela

[@LuckyBlast1]

Great educational content Levy! I need to thank you for getting me into chess because I've won some tournaments. Some non-impressive and some impressive. Thank you for getting me into a new part of my life, and educating me for free.