STOCKFISH Is The Chess World Champion!

[@CATDABOSS]

Really?! Giving the engines national flags and making Stockfish Norway to subliminally equate it to Magnus while making Komodo the US and representing Hikaru. After he hacked your account you have really been making videos against him. This definitely doesn't have anything to do with what nations developed each engine at all

[@nihalr385]

Huh?😑

[@jean-pierrecoffe6666]

Can't tell if bait or serious

[@FlareiOS]

Bro come on levy this comment is obviously bait. Stop giving them the attention they want

[@reyhananiz5099]

Nationality moment

[@0RatedChess]

Pin of Shame?

[@IIIAnchani]

I played vs Stockfish a few times in my online chess games. And I can assure you, this guy is no joke. Hides behind different usernames, but you know when you play him, he sucks the life right out of you. Incredible player, incredible resources, and absolutely unbeatable.

[@martinangelov6116]

hahahahahahahaah

[@nomer440]

He's cheating you know

[@无聊的一生]

@@nomer440 thats the joke

[@tkienjoyer]

@@nomer440 r/woooosh

[@kal0uf]

sheesh great humour just like the rock

[@thecrystaltide3757]

Stockfish doesn't play book moves it plays AUTHOR moves

[@juaneldesconocido2186]

Bot opening moves are not book moves. It only counts like a book move if it's played by a human in a competition. My favourite first move is 1.a4

[@BroomieHERE]

@@juaneldesconocido2186 ever heard of a joke ?

[@BambinaSaldana]

​@juaneldesconocido2186 Virgin 1.e4 and 1.d4 players: Chad 1.a4 players: Also how does it not count if they're bots

[@MHGFTW]

Imagine having an opening named after you, and then even stockfish loses the game because of how bad the position is.

[@Zenith9132]

XD

[@jakubsebek]

lmao

[@sauravgarg7193]

Barnes opening: I took that seriously 😒 Edit: it's known as fools mate too😂

[@_A-B_]

Lol nice one

[@benkelly2024]

Can't quite decide whether calling Stockfish an "honorary grandmaster" should be more upsetting to grandmasters or to Stockfish 😂

[@dsodragon8152]

definitely Stockfish!!

[@keroppiandyyuen]

Stockfish has no emotion, no anger, no upset. It just crushes anyone and everyone.

[@benkelly2024]

@@keroppiandyyuen It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are checkmated.

[@darylallen2485]

The title of GM is an insult to SF chess skills. The Supreme Chess Terminator is suitable. 🤣

[@sauravgarg7193]

@@benkelly2024 it though have humour to under promote to rook 😂😂

[@erikhartman6511]

Komodo: plays random move Stockfish:you fool! you are getting mated in 187 moves

[@kal0uf]

yep Komodo plays e4 and its M184

[@blobfishblake6776]

Futurama reference?

[@winnerwannabe9868]

If you were playing anyone but me. I win in 6 moves as I break the laws of the multiverse and beat the most intelligent being of the multiverse at the same time.

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@winnerwannabe9868 you fool, I have the obscene talent to lose immediately in the endgame against any and all opponents, including myself!

[@winnerwannabe9868]

@@gamingmoyai3950 stop impersonating me. Identity theft is not a joke.

[@nick2629]

Giving stockfish the grandmaster title is an insult to stockfish

[@hewardthediamond2997]

Yeah

[@TmOnlineMapper]

It's like giving a math professor the honorary 1st grader status

[@cupmaster6642]

What about The Grandmaster

[@thechesssavage6400]

Dragon Grandmaster?

[@NihongoWakannai]

Imagine saying "I gave magnus the honorary title of IM"

[@solpport4276]

These games are also so fascinating because usually Levy shows lines recommended by stock fish but not played in games, but these lines are ALWAYS played by the engines so you have some wild and accurate games

[@philippinekatipunanflag4372]

Unless if your opponent doesn't play accurate moves then you dont aswell

[@kaischreurs2488]

@@philippinekatipunanflag4372 that's not how it works, accuracy is just how close you are to playing the best moves, which the computer will be pretty close to, if their opponent playes worse moves that doesn't suddenly change since they can calculate what the best move is in this new position just as easily.

[@philippinekatipunanflag4372]

@@kaischreurs2488 what I mean is your opponents should also know the right moves in order to use Stock fish moves

[@phenix2403]

@@philippinekatipunanflag4372 thats not true, your own accuracy is not affected by your opponent. Like the other comment said, "accuracy" is just how close you are to stockfish'es top choice (which is only as accurate as the engine itself).

[@kaischreurs2488]

@@philippinekatipunanflag4372 no they don't? what are you talking about?

[@mr.scream2934]

komodo- nervously attacking stockfish-so what i am gonna be the one that ends up in gotham video

[@XTRM-fd7ty]

Komodo- What are you gonna do? Play solo? I'm also gonna be in there you dummy.

[@VivianTheVivian]

Levi: They get the honorary GM titles. 3600 Engines: Eu, GM? What is this 2800 peasant joke of a title?

[@DJsocial7102]

If you think about it, it would be like calling magnus a 2000

[@MagikusMasalus]

3600 engines: We are the LEGENDARY GRANDMASTERS

[@thatjason583]

@@MagikusMasalus an LGM indeed

[@lyyila0256]

@@DJsocial7102 Even worse actually, since the rating requirement for GMs is only 2500. Stockfish is to the weakest GMs what GMs are to 1400s

[@lred1383]

@@lyyila0256 And you, in turn, are forgetting that chess titles are for life, meaning that there are many GMs rated below 2500. The lowest rated GM currently alive is rated 2179

[@abe10alpha]

Engine chess is beyond entertaining. That king walk had me rolling. 😂

[@balthazarbeutelwolf9097]

When Levy talked about engine resigning, that was not the case. TCEC has 6-men tablebase adjudication, so when overall only six pieces remain on the board then the outcome is immediately determined to be what best play would produce.

[@almightyhydra]

Aren't there 7-piece tablebases?

[@sportsjefe]

@@almightyhydra There are, but the competition still only uses 6-piece.

[@ricato2]

@Black Swan55 I don't know about the most recent one, but older TCEC's did have rules for "resigning", if both engines thought the position was bad enough for some number of moves in a row. They also had rules for "agreeing to a draw", if both engines gave an eval of within 25 centipawns of 0.00 for 5 or 10 moves in a row I think

[@cenkkinqzzzz3002]

@@almightyhydra there is 8 now

[@alessiomartinez1431]

This tournament with Chess engines fighting is the closest thing we have to Real Steel. I like that.

[@Heavenly_Demon_God]

Dont we have battke bots?

[@KutsuWutsu]

@@Heavenly_Demon_God those are controlled by humans tho

[@Heavenly_Demon_God]

@@KutsuWutsu Real steel robots are controlled by humans too right?

[@rememberwhen7271]

@@Heavenly_Demon_God bruh robots are controlled by humans. But stockfish and komodo are not controlled by humans. They make chess moves on their own and improved their chess through machine learning.

[@Heavenly_Demon_God]

@@rememberwhen7271 yes correct. My original point is battle bot is closer to real steel than stock fish vs dragon. Some dude says real steel is controlled by human so i said battle bots too

[@nuravgupta8226]

Stockfish has some amazing moves, but what blows my mind is the simplicity it can have. The last game, Stockfish plays simple moves. It takes the pawns and defends its pawns. It gets pinned so it moves out by attacking a piece. Simple stuff that I would see as a 900. The difference is that Stockfish understands the danger and realizes there isn’t any (I just see free pawn or attack on queen). The brilliancy is this understanding of the position to play simple chess with no bias. It doesn’t think pawns should defend pieces it just thinks to defend its material however it can.

[@p.Espin95]

Levy: "Double-Backwards Nights Jutsu". It made my day 🤣

[@Martin-iw4fm]

🤣🤣🤣

[@rionelbenitez2766]

Yeah i found this😅😅

[@legacyns1]

🤣

[@gaopinghu7332]

Alternative title: Stronkfish beats Komodo Dragon without any loss whatsoever

[@miguelangelowong6786]

I watched liberian cannibalism documentary.

[@gaurangsharma8052]

The reason why you are in the comment section and not a youtube with 1.5 mil subs

[@-zelda-]

That could be confusing since Stockfish did lose 9 games but he managed to win all of the reverses

[@gaopinghu7332]

@@gaurangsharma8052 uhh what?

[@gaopinghu7332]

@@-zelda- it never losed twice in a row, though.

[@CanaanZhou2002]

Can we have more chess engine game analysis!! They are just so fascinating to watch :D That Leela crushing stockfish video is my all time favorite gothamchess video

[@clashofmagic6672]

And now leela can't compete with stockfish at all

[@Jartran72]

@@clashofmagic6672 Ofcourse. because the Leela team and SF team worked together on SF15. It now has the best of both worlds. That is by choice

[@markrobertson3054]

@@Jartran72 no. Leela still competing in TCEC, finished 3rd. And last year sf defeated leela in tcec final ( for 5-6 times back to back )

[@nguyengiahuy1547]

In that tornament as i remembered stock fish beat leela. Levy just show the game that leela won

[@leanne6864]

@@Jartran72 Leela's team and Stockfish's team are not working together, you got it all wrong The only "collaboration" is that Stockfish uses Leela's data (that she generates when she trains) to train his own network, but that's all. Any engine can do that, not just Stockfish.

[@heffalump111]

Lev: »the starting position is so bad, that Komodo actually won« *sad dragon noises*

[@tylerschantz5325]

"Shockingly Stockfish does not blunder mate in one move" lmao this guy's humor sends me sometimes XD

[@paulbaier3016]

I see a lot of comments asking about Alpha Zero. So to clear this up: Alpha Zero, would be crushed by Stockfish nowadays. The strongest net competing, based on Alpha Zero is LC0, which didn't make the finals.

[@Ash-rx5wl]

yeah but alphazero also wasn't upgraded or worked upon that much so, it would be interesting to see if alpha is upgraded to the same ELO and make them play, obviously stockfish wouldn't get crushed like before , it would be really fascinating to watch, almost like Kong vs Godzilla

[@franz009franz]

@@pawncube2050 to be fair, stockfish wouldn't be where it is without leela and alpha zero. as far as i understand it took some traits of the NN engines and implemented it on itself

[@-zelda-]

@@franz009franz Stockfish's NN implementation is not similar nor based on what Leela or A0 use, there is a lot of misinformation about this

[@Draddar]

@@-zelda- But without the appearance of Alpha Zero and later Leela and other similar engines, Stockfish wouldn't have been forced to include NN for a while probably. If you look at it's style SF now is a completely different beast than a few years ago.

[@ricksouza9299]

yeah I remember Hikaru saying he believe Alphazero to be just a publicity stunt by Google, and it wasnt a better engine than stockfish

[@KennyBky92]

"My power is discombobulatingly devastating. I could feel his defenses collapse under my attack. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm" - Stockfish

[@rbcdelta6561]

"Stockfish did not lose!" Stockfish's pattern of suffocating play is outrageous! Not just a pillow but the quilt, mattress, and the roof of the house too! Unbelievable stuff! Thanks for a great episode and entertainment!!

[@James-vo1ex]

Stockfish trapping the rook with the bishop and pawn got a laugh out of me, it's so brutal and so perfectly stockfish

[@Keyblade11master]

Stockfish made Komodo, a 3600 elo computer, look like a kid playing with his teacher (that would be a strong kid, but you get the reference).. Engines are soooo disgusting, i love them

[@ElSantoDeMostoles]

Not even got beaten as hard by my dad as Komodo did by Stockfish.

[@ankitminz5872]

Lmao

[@notoriousfrog]

So when stockfish disregards an attack he ends up in a gothamchess video and when i do it i get mated?

[@joesimon2018]

Stockfish underpromotes in order to save calculations that will never happen

[@flinskimashlongski]

Interesting Games, well done on this presentation! The overall technique used by the engines of restricting the opponents pieces locally and then shifting the initiative to another sector where they are then materially superior to create further weakness and repeating this until the opponents position is no longer tenable is supremely instructive... Philidor said "Pawns are the soul of chess", I think the engines are demonstrating this clearly. REQUEST: For a future vid or vids series it would be interesting to feature different openings and how the engines deal with them to demo what openings are and are not tenable at this level. Could provide generalistic insights into how to play.

[@Ragemodepigeon]

"Against stockfish you can't play obscure old indian defences" Bro u literally can't play anything against stockfish 😭

[@haleysettembre]

233rd day of translating Levy's titles into Neapolitan: " 'Stoccafiss' è o campion ro munn" (I translated Stockfish too after a request)

[@archimedes6154]

ah yes the only stable thing in this doomed world Levy's titles getting translated into Neapolitan

[@ashutoshjindal96]

So nice of you to translate so all three flavors of ice cream can understand

[@_wetmath_]

komodo dragon: today i will beat stockfish! stockfish: dragon deez nuts boi imma beat up your king

[@grandplat3462]

Video idea: History of stockfish, documentary type style (or just that of chess playing programs)

[@kyuketsuki5736]

*Chess Engine underpromotes to rook for bad manners* : Drake in disgust, *Chess engine underpromotes to knight for bad manners* : Drake approves

[@incalculas9394]

the best part of stockfish is that it's licensed under the GPL license. you love to see open source shine. at least I do

[@mangohavoc6428]

Why are the names of the chess engines so awesome? It’s like sick ass pet names like ‘Gandalf’ and ‘Komodo’ even ‘Stockfish’ is sick as hell.

[@greennin]

definitely want more engine content. maybe a series of things that can even be learned from engines, like how they refuted certain lines that were thought to be okay before and such. That would be very enjoyable

[@aretwodeetoo1181]

It would seem computers are a few years away from refuting every defense and turning chess into tic-tac-toe.

[@xanschneider]

AlphaZero brought me back to chess after more than 20 years. Now, watching Stockfish 15 just blows my mind.

[@knzo13]

I ADORE the engine chess content. Following their games while having a brilliant and hilarious host of the show is fantastic entertainment. Would love to see more such recaps!

[@cescfabregas4377]

Levy, as a dedicated follower of your content, I just wanted to say that I really really like videos about Chess engine's games. These are fascinating, so please keep up including such videos from time to time :)

[@Seven_Leaf]

Alpha1.0 : "And I took that personally."

[@thom1218]

Love your coverage of TCEC and the fish's games - keep it up!

[@happybobby10]

Stockfish isn't a grandmaster... Stockfish is THE grandmaster

[@maximmironov6961]

Komodo loses vs stockfish and i lose vs stockfish, which means i'll draw against komodo

[@jimmythecow3873]

Stockfish in game 1 the second it got the ability to decide what moves to make: h4

[@WesAndRuss]

The French Defense always makes me want to watch Ratatouille for the 12th time. Surely a Ratatouille variation would not be refuted at engine level.

[@trifortay]

the fact that Stockfish is this strong... like how is stockfish ever gonna be beatable

[@awmdanger9677]

9:16 Here when you know it's Stockfish 😂😂.

[@ericglover259]

That French game was pretty interesting, it kind of looked like Stockfish stuck the bishop in a cage the whole game, hid it's king behind an apparently almost permanently locked center, and then attacked everywhere else.

[@Amieto759]

I relish this video ! Not only it s perfect play from both sides, but those engines show strategic appreciations that keep putting human habits upside down ( except a few firouja’s moves ). I think a closer and deeper diving into the shuffling would bring tremendous insight for a GM. Not my job in life, but something lies there that would surely enlarge my understanding… Anyway, more computer content is always welcome, and Thank you very much for this one, Levi !

[@Galardomond]

24:00 Smothered mate nice!

[@awmdanger9677]

"King Walk" is what we like in Stockfish 😂😂.

[@anubhavsharma2303]

Better title fish beats a dragon

[@pwn_by_numbers]

Love the engine analysis! Next time you do one of these it would be cool to see the corresponding position from the other side so we can see what stockfish is doing differently than komodo

[@Just-Nedo]

68th game ends Guy1: Last game? Guy2: Last game! That was the last game

[@houseme6]

Levy great content.We want more engine games like this cuz these games are beutiful and we can learn a lot from these games too.

[@MrTheSmoon]

4:10 I like to make moves that attack and defend at the same time -Stockfish(orig.Ryan Latorneau)

[@blackjacktrial]

Sees novel move. Uwauuwaaugh! I've never even seen this before. Goddamn Silverstockfish! Komodo: you scared me, dude.

[@michaelsmith6094]

I like how you bring these games to life. You truly appreciate chess and the computer's dominance in the field. These programs are completely savage and ridiculous . I love every minute of it!

[@danieluroz8659]

i find these game fascinating. this is so beyond human level it's like watching a magician performing a trick. Great video Levy.

[@tobiasreckinger2212]

Stockfish doesn't even know that en passant is forced

[@-zelda-]

fyi there are some engines that have an "anarchy" setting that makes the engine always play en passant if its available

[@bluefire8112]

@@-zelda- Holy hell!

[@akane.sakurada]

New Content Idea: This, but with subscribers fighting each other who will obviously lose with both sides. In a format like sub battle make them play the openings and leave them alone to see what madness occurs.

[@ElijahStormblessed]

Levi: "I am stockfish" Also Levi: "Stockfish is world champion"

[@weighttan3675]

It's not transitive

[@ElijahStormblessed]

@@weighttan3675r /wooosh

[@sahave5042]

@Black Swan55 wtf is morrison

[@yangmingmeng5414]

I'm really interested in seeing the stockfish playing style of locking down the center and keeping your king there by humans

[@shahiburRM]

GM Stockfish is the funniest thing to see😂

[@skinnybonesjonestheallseei74]

SM is stockfish master

[@Chicken_of_Bristol]

It seems like the engines really like to restrict movements because since they can calculate lines perfectly, restricting the opponent movements just lets them calculate further. I would guess that the biggest point of ambiguity in an algorithm is how it prunes which lines to calculate, so I can definitely see how just giving the opponent less choices is better for a computer. We've seen this sort of play before when Gotham covered other chess AI matches. There's less risk that you prune the critical line if there are fewer lines to calculate.

[@jhadesdev9576]

I would love to see a video summarising wich openings have been refuted at the engine level, and which ones still stand.

[@nathanesau1]

I propose an EM engine master title for the top engines

[@paolocostaimori]

Congratulations to all marine software engineers who coded the fish

[@RenonTTV]

when he says "get out of here" at the end of his videos, it reminds me of my teachers telling me that back in high school at the end of class lol

[@HazardDiamond]

27:59 "Why is the heavy artillery defending the minions?" I did giggle a bit to this comment. Obviously because the pawn is the strongest piece on the board!

[@X-R-T-C]

"Double backwards knights jutsu" lmao I'm dead dattebayo!

[@maximmironov6961]

Too bad they didn't have the bongcloud built-in

[@yadhavkrishna7266]

btw at 22:00 the reason why stockfish didnt play bishop h5 was bec of the move Rxf6 and u lost 2 pieces for a rook and the pawns are separated

[@alifarhat667]

…Rxf6 is met with Bxf7, so you end up getting a Queen for the two pieces, not a rook

[@kugelblitzingularity304]

The most underrated stockfish superpowers are endgame simplifications and defensive counterplay. no other engine can do those two like stockfish.

[@eyeofhorus1301]

+Kugelblitzingularity I'm not sure how you can tell what it does well stylistically when every move it makes is just super strong

[@kugelblitzingularity304]

@@eyeofhorus1301 you can compare stockfish's performance in certain positions compared to other top engines. stockfish wins some endgames that other top engines are oblivious to, also, stockfish can hold bad positions like no other engine, usually by insane counterplay.

[@vendyy_]

my favorite part of these videos is levy's half second stare into my soul right before saying his intro

[@anishortmoment]

4:15 that's a very awesome jutsu stockfish got there Levy. Hahaha

[@randys2669]

18:51 In a strange reversal on the classic story, a chess engine was found using a Petrosian.

[@AlexDings]

😀😀😀

[@gladio2029]

4:16 kuchiyose no jutsu:🐴

[@ramachandra776]

Nice touch from Levy giving Stockfish a Norwegian flag 😁 . Stockfish will be giving an interview soon saying it wants to reach 4000 elo .

[@tetsi0815]

That is because Tord Romstad - the developer of Glaurung (the engine that would become Stockfish) - is Norwegian.

[@leo25darklight]

Based on the fact that it gains only one digit ranking over a comparatively long period of time for being the best in the existence, and that the rate of gaining rating will be slower when it reaches closer to 4000 elo, we need to wait long. I guess a human will reach 2900 elo in classical chess sooner.

[@XAlpt]

Should really implement the Double Backwards Knight Jutsu, into my games, thank you Levy

[@QuCaNi]

At this point I need to advertise the channel "Silicon Road", which is run by GM Matthew Sadler. It focuses exclusively on engine games and goes into much more detail. There you can learn a lot from all the nuances, or you can just enjoy them. Matthew is known for his analysis of Alphazero games and his book "Game changer".

[@sangster49]

I love these engine games. Please analyze more of these.

[@qwyte7950]

When Gotham uploads you know it’s a good day

[@victasanchez1900]

Agreed, whenever I see the Gothamchess notification, I quickly get off "The Hub" and watch his recaps/ lessons

[@solice6475]

are u gay

[@FlareiOS]

So…….everyday?

[@victasanchez1900]

@@FlareiOS OMG yes, everyday, everynight. My favourite category is " Japanese, no squealing"

[@NatalieDemary]

“Is the Stafford Gambit refuted at engine level?” -Eric Rosen

[@ChaoticRain1]

Can someone please explain to me how 'book moves' became theory in the first place? What if the computers were able to find even better lines? I assume people have explored this idea already, but if so can you explain what happened when we let the chess engines play the entire openings on their own?

[@synergy1916]

It was already done. There are already existing books that were based on the engines' recommended moves.

[@sportsjefe]

You're thinking of 'book moves' as a set of moves that is understood to be best. The way 'book moves' work in the competition is that there is a group of organizers that want to lay out the starting board for the game, whether it takes 3 or 13 moves. Are there better answers midway through the move chain than the moves the organizers chose? Probably. But it's about putting the engines into difficult situations to work their way out of.

[@quag443]

The top engines nowadays are so strong they will never lose any game against each other from starting position. They will play solid (but rather boring) lines like the berlin and QGD, and every game will be a draw. The only way to get decisive games is to force them to play weaker lines that lead to complex positions like the ones shown in the video. It's kinda sad, but the bookless engine tournament era is now a thing of the past.

[@ChaoticRain1]

@@quag443 Thank you for the great explanation!

[@ChaoticRain1]

@@sportsjefe Thank you for the great explanation!

[@nooneatall5612]

The engine videos are my favorite videos. I suck at chess but know programming, a possibility on why Stockfish promotes to a rook is for faster calculation. A rook can move in less ways meaning it has less positions to evaluate, so if the position with the rook is winning then that makes more sense than promoting to a queen.

[@tankoteemusic9755]

Stockfish 15 is out. Let's download and play the best chess engine ever.

[@shotx333]

Please more stockfish content Gotham, do not stop

[@veni1]

stockfish is actually an open source project and has developers from all over the world actively working on it, so I wouldn't really call it norwegian

[@markrobertson3054]

It is founded in Norway

[@МихаилЧалый-щ3ж]

@@markrobertson3054 not really. Stockfish was created by Marco Costalba who is italian. But it was a fork of Glaurung which was made by norwegian Tord Romstad. Then it merged with Smaug - another fork made by Joona Kiiski. Eventually it all got merged into stockfish branch.

[@blender_wiki]

@@markrobertson3054 founded? You must very little about software development

[@soumyaroy5455]

Leela is also an open source engine. Why isn't it making up to the finals? Can you explain?

[@clausable6328]

@@soumyaroy5455 Just because just just because something is open source does not mean that it is strong. There are plenty of chess engines that are open source and are around 2800 ELO

[@colts8146]

Please do more videos about these engine games they are truly fascinating!

[@DeadSezSo]

Stockfish pushing a pawn is a beautiful lock down of the position but when I do it, it's "tOo SlOw"

[@tjohnnnnnnnn]

Love your presentations of the engine content, thanks so much

[@User-Mizoarchive]

They should be given a Grandfather title instead of Grandmaster... 😂

[@swolejszo]

I love the chess engine games. Super surprised that Leela Chess Zero ended up in 3rd and outside of the final. The Leela/Stockfish games are always my favourites.

[@Anytus2007]

Leela was by far the best performing engine against Stockfish and did well against Komodo head-to-head. But it wasn't as efficient at holding against tough positions against some of the lower-rated engines. If you did a 3 engine final, I don't think there's any question that Leela would score substantially better than Komodo.

[@eel9]

currently Leela as the third place finisher is battling Komodo to prove it should have been the one to challenge Stockfish

[@victasanchez1900]

I love how the world champ Stockfish has the Norwegian flag

[@tetsi0815]

Because Tord Romstad - the original developer of Glaurung (the engine that later became Stockfish) - is Norwegian.

[@thechesssavage6400]

Double backwards knight jutsu, if only I was strong enough to utilize such a technique over the board.

[@ElRectalo]

But now... Hear me out... How about analyzing a stockfish game with a stockfish?

[@FussySky]

I can’t tell if stockfish agree with its own moves completely or it would find better moves🧐

[@mateinminusthree5963]

especially an IM - doesn’t matter though cos the average viewer elo is like 1k

[@ElRectalo]

@@johnnyhyperborean1035 I know, and that's exactly why I want to see it. in any case, as a human being, you will never be able to understand them, so why dont just have some fun watching a weaker stockfish scoring it's own moves as mistakes?

[@Ghi102]

21:34 I think bishop to h5 is not played because if the queen gets on g6 by recapturing, it can do a bunch of things. It can get on g2 and win the rook. If the white bishop goes to g4 to prevent this, the black knight can fork the king and rook on c2. Both of these scenarios leads to overall a bishop being lost for white Best move I could find for white as a response is king to f1. Then maybe black rook to g8 leads to a forced mate. Otherwise, it allows the black knight to wreck the white pawns by capturing on c2, threaten the rook and then capture on d4, winning the center, equalizing material (rook vs 2 pawns + bishop) and planting the knight in a very annoying position

[@michaeldezhniek3751]

The amount of people thinking alpha still better than sf15 pains me a lot

[@-zelda-]

@Black Swan55 No human can beat Stockfish without handicaps (so not the one on lichess) using reasonable hardware (not running on a potato) in a tournament (multiple games)

[@calialis1531]

True. The historic alphazero run on an (nowadays) outdated hardware and 'zero' means 0 knowlegde and they gave it just a day (or was it a week?) to learn to play chess. It probably has no chance vs. SF15 now. BUT: give A0 an up-to-date huge cluster and a week or 2 to learn and it will kick SF again.

[@-zelda-]

​@@calialis1531 That is NOT TRUE and its a huge misconception that a lot of people (if not most) have about neural networks. More training won't always lead to better results because neural networks saturate. If they saturated the net in those few hours of training because they used a lot of hardware, training it for a week more, or even a month wouldn't have lead to more elo.

[@michaeldezhniek3751]

@@calialis1531 I'm afraid you don't know how NNUE works, it's not that simple, the gain in performance will slowly diminished overtime, so, no matter how long a0 trained, it would NEVER catch up with sf15 with superior codes

[@michaeldezhniek3751]

@@calialis1531 and if you think, why the stoomp even happened in the first place, well, bcs one the engines use nnue and ones not, its very simple, basically a0 just invented a gun, meanwhile sf8 still using a bow, no matter how good sf8 at archery, a0 still have the upper hands, unless, sf8 will also equipped by a gun, in this case NNUE

[@elliotbaker5416]

It would be fun to see what evaluations both engines gave themselves in any given position, to see when an engine realises it’s made a mistake