Stoeger Model 2000 Shotgun

Stoeger Model 2000 Shotgun manufactured by what was known as Vursan Arms and available from guncity (www.guncity.co.nz). Semi automatic inertia recoil action, 4 round tube magazine + 1 chambered, sling swivels, ventilated butt pad, red bar front sight, sturdy synthetic stock with cavity for mercury recoil reducer. The Stoeger is the only shotgun licensed to use inertia recoil system other than Benelli and Franchi shotguns.

[@grannman]

I've put very few rounds through this shotgun so I don't have enough experience to say how long it will last. All I can say is that there are very few moving parts and so long as the shotgun is lubed properly I can't imagine much could go wrong with it. It is a very simple, solid design that should keep plugging along and if cared for I would think it would hold up well over the years. Can't guarantee anything though. A single shot is always going to be more reliable - less moving parts.

[@grannman]

No problem. Italy has pride in its firearms. Greetings from New Zealand!

[@grannman]

I'll put it this way - in my opinion this shotgun is built solid and there are so few moving parts I can't imagine anything going wrong with it mechanically without some sort of abuse. I would have no issue buying one. If it did have a problem I'd claim warranty.

[@grannman]

cheers, glad you all found the vid useful. 26" barrel. As for stock I've always liked the look of black guns so I tend to prefer synthetic. Also a bonus is the weight reduction and durability against wear and tear. I can understand why some people love the quality appearance of a wood stock though. In the end it's up to you.

[@passngas2]

for those of you looking for a cheap auto loading shotgun: The Stoeger M2000 is the best deal. I know reviews say that they have had problems with them, but if you clean off the grease on the mag tube and cycle the action for awhile without ammo, you shouldnt have problems. THE ONLY thing i had was, if you get a coating on it, remove and put back on the barrel and REALLY make sure the barrel is tightened down because the coating gets in between the reciever and barrel

[@marshaul]

I have a Stoeger 2000 which I bought new for around $350 USD back in 2004. I don't know if this is still true, but at the time they required a break-in of 100 rounds or so, preferably using the heaviest load available. At any rate, I've fired thousands of rounds through it since break-in and the gun is exactly 100% reliable with every load of sufficient weight. No malfunctions of any sort, ever. And this is with an admittedly "relaxed" cleaning schedule. Try that with a gas-auto!

[@costelpodaru1877]

Ma poate ajuta cineva cu o informație. Pentru pusca Stoeger2000 mi sa spart Ejectorul.cum pot comanda unul.

[@marshaul]

@@costelpodaru1877 In principle it's a simple as clicking the part on the schematic. The problem is the distributors I know are in the US, and thanks to DFARS we can't export gun parts. Can't you find a European distributor? Stoeger worldwide? They probably would even sell parts direct if you could find out who to ask.

[@grannman]

The recoil doesn't hurt if you hold the gun correctly. You need to keep the butt off any pointy shoulder bones and I've found inching the butt toward my bicep works for me. You could also try moving the butt further in toward your chest.

[@grannman]

It will cycle loads 28 gram loads or greater. Target/orchard ammo is typically right on the 28 gram/1oz weight limit although there will probably be some very light target loads with less weight. Stoeger recommend first firing through between 100-200 rounds of high power shells to limber up the action before shooting the target loads.

[@Lex5576]

Not a bad gun for the money. One can be had for about $350 here in the U.S. Good fit and finish and easy to clean. I bought one for my son(his first auto) this year and he loves it. Wish I'd gotten the nylon stock instead of wood though.

[@grannman]

No the bolt is locked so it can't just blow back like a blow back action. When the gun recoils it compresses a spring between the bolt and carrier. The carrier is then thrown back by that spring unlocking the bolt. The spring rather than a rod (rod as on a gas piston system) throws back the carrier.

[@sldghamr1]

i've got it also, 2 of my roommates and i went shooting on Saturday (9/5/09). put 250 shells thru, a combination of slugs, buck shot, waterfowl, and game loads. failed to cycle less than 5 of those shells. at the end of the day, the only thing to worry about was our shoulders.

[@z1zn]

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[@JohnnyBoy040291]

This is a very helpful video. The Kite target was very cool.

[@grannman]

The manufacturers don't claim it will. Minimum load = 1 ounce. It is perhaps possible that after an extended break in it may be able to cycle those lighter loads. I don't have the experience to say it would though.

[@grannman]

As I had no plans to shoot light loads I didn't do any break in. Those that want to get to shooting lighter target loads as fast as possible will be interested though. As for Stoeger, they recommend anywhere from 100-200 rounds of heavy load for break in.

[@grannman]

I've never held or fired the Franchi semi auto so can't say how they compare. As for as value for money I'd rate the Stoeger at the top. They are well built and durable. I'm the type that wants to pay less for something which does the job just the same, therefore the cheaper Stoeger appeals.

[@grannman]

real shotgun. Shotguns are generally used to spray various sizes of birdshot like I'm doing in the vid. Can also shoot slugs and sabot shells.

[@mrfish1991]

I own a benelli montefeltro super 90 and that stoeger reminds me of it. great shotguns

[@grannman]

Yes. I've read some people use a modified cylinder/skeet for slugs also as its only a very mild choke.

[@DK-mt1xw]

The kite is a great idea! I never thought of that!

[@passngas2]

I have a stoeger model 2000 with 26 in barrel and in the Max 4 camo, and it hasn't skipped a beat! Make sure to take the heavy machine grease off of the magazine tube/ recoil spring. The only problem I have, and I have another friend with a m2000 who has the problem too, is that it beats the shit out of your cheek after awhile. My cheek swelled, and I've got a bruise now, and I don't bruise easily. Great gun!

[@danmenard306]

I have a similar product which I occasionally use. Good to have and save tones of time calculating a tight fit install.

[@grannman]

@SuperBearsfan4life The curved washer is meant to be curved in order to keep enough tension. From what I remember with this shotgun you put the flat washer in the forearm first followed by the curved washer with its curve pointing out of the forearm. Really it doesn't matter what orientation you put them in but I'd put the flat washer into the forearm first followed by the curved washer. Cheers.

[@grannman]

No issues but then again I don't own the gun and just reviewed it. When I read up about this gun at the time virtually all the comment I read on the gun was positive so hard to imagine it's all turned negative.

[@grannman]

great stuff. Good on you for getting it sorted out and posting the update.

[@fixdeluxe1]

@grannman That's a nice shotgun you have there,nice to hear it has only a few moving parts(easy to lubricate and doesn't rust).

[@grannman]

You must be new to shotguns. The ribs you see on top of the receiver and the raised rib that extends down the top of the barrel to the front bead site are your sights for sporting use. Reflex sights can be attached via the receiver dovetail if desired.

[@fixdeluxe1]

@grannman They actually "sent" it to you. I quite like GunCity,they have almost any piece of hardware you need,and if they don't,they can always import it.

[@grannman]

I've seen Dragunovs sold with silencers and I could put one on if I wanted but I want to keep this Dragunov stock standard, an untouched example. It's always good to have the silencer option though. Yeap silencers are freely available, no red tape to go through. That's the way it should be :-)

[@grannman]

yes it will. The manufacturers say this gun will cycle any load 28 grams (1 ounce) or greater once broken in. I don't think there are any factory 12 gauge loads lighter than 1 ounce or 28 grams. The remington gunclub target loads are 1 ounce and up.

[@grannman]

That's unacceptable and sounds like the gun store is trotting out complete garbage to me. Any gun shop that values its customers would exchange the entire shotgun in a heartbeat. Whoever is dealing with the store needs to assertive on this matter.

[@grannman]

Mate barrels are tough things. Your barrel bulged out over halfway along it's length which is what happened to a friend of mine after some shoddy ammo misfired and left some wad or some other obstruction in the barrel without him realising. He loaded in another round and boom... Unless you check the barrel every time you fire you can't really guarantee the barrel was clear when you fired that shot. I really doubt that sort of damage is going to be the shotgun's fault.

[@151mamao1]

The first hunting season as I have a stoeger 2000 kamo Max -4. I am very satisfied.

[@grannman]

The shotgun I have was factory shipped by stoeger with the extra spacer so I would have thought yours ought to have been also. To try and get the part you could google stoeger, enter the stoeger industries website and contact them through that website for help regarding the spacer.

[@grannman]

The gun is in its element hunting waterfowl such as ducks etc. I don't own this rifle. Guncity (largest NZ gun seller) sent it to me to review. The gun is built very solidly and I would fully expect it to be still going had I still be using it.

[@duemamay]

looks like they have a very big kick to em nice shotgun and good review

[@grannman]

I havn't shot the benelli m2 field. All I can say is the Stoeger is good value.

[@grannman]

The shotgun cannot be fitted with a free standing pistol grip, magazine greater than 7 shells, flash suppressor or folding/telescopic butt, but everyone is free to own silencers, there is no regulation on them. If you do want to do any of the above things you need a military (e-cat) license. With that license you can do pretty much whatever you want with the shotgun except make it full auto or under 30 inches in overall length (anything shorter requires pistol license).

[@giezimiami]

Nice shotgun today i bought one 28 barrel and found this video that help me to know is really good, i didn't tough it was nice, and good shotgun. thanks

[@grannman]

@banshee714SH couldn't tell you definitively. Since this was a test gun I had to send it back after testing. From what I've read I'd probably only use steel on cylinder and imp. cyl. Any tighter choke and it might be best to buy an aftermarket steel rated choke. A choke that will fit a Benelli will also fit the Stoeger from what I've read.

[@grannman]

For rifled slugs make sure you are using the cylinder choke.

[@grannman]

I overlooked franchi, thats a bit embarrassing Ill add some annotations. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes Beretta could produce these actions also if they desired to seeing as they own Benelli, Stoeger, Franchi and the list goes on. As of yet they are sticking to their gas operated system.

[@Pro2AGuy]

Kudos on the gun and a very useful info for those of us considering this model.

[@airsoftjunkie2]

oh, kk i was just wachin vids of stoeger x20 pellet rifles and then this vid came up! sweet gun by the way!

[@grannman]

They sent it to me to review and after I had made the video I sent it back. Would have liked to keep it!

[@grannman]

In theory the inertia recoil system will produce higher velocities due to no bleeding off of expanding gases but in practical application I seriously doubt it would be very significant even noticeable. I havent shot a gas system shotgun so can't compare recoil. I guess the water containers were approx 20 meters distant and kite about 30-50 meters when I first began shooting it. I think the load I was shooting was 36gr or greater, but I can't remember exactly.

[@grannman]

no worries and have fun shooting.

[@grannman]

@ko0b I don't own the gun and after evaluating for Guncity in this video it was sent back to them. I'll put it this way, if I wanted a semi auto shotgun without paying too much the Stoeger m2000 would be the top of my list.

[@grannman]

@117buster You can shoot any slug. If it's 12g in a 3" shell or under you can shoot it.

[@grannman]

Mate, this thing is built like a brick outhouse. Should be just warming up after 3000 shots!

[@grannman]

Depends how large the flock of birds are. I've had a friend who has a 6 round capacity magazine who timed the landing of a flock of ducks perfectly and used his full magazine. In my opinion the hunter's shotgun magazine should not be limited for the simple reason of killing humanely. Having to reload when a struggling bird could otherwise be dispatched sooner isn't good.

[@Sbarkowski]

Very thorough video well done. Love the kite shooting too. So it does NOT cycle light target loads is what I understand?

[@grannman]

@scottchkill nope, just let fly. If you can shoot target loads out of the box then breaking in is pointless. Otherwise yes, pounding some non-target ammo through will break it in to the point target loads cycle fine.

[@fixdeluxe1]

Accounting...Nice you must have a lot of patience and self-discipline,as well as be able to COUNT if your ever going to survive the big bad world of counting money. Good luck,and nice review,very well done and you know your firearms.I am dropping into GunCity,there is an sudaneese AR-10 I have my eyes set on.

[@Dizzarchangel]

franchi and beretta can also use the inertia system... but they are owned by benelli so...

[@grannman]

New Zealand. If you have a gun license and a place to shoot you can go for it.

[@grannman]

have put no target loads through. The shotgun is rated to fire 28 grain loads or greater. If the gun is brand new it will probably need to hammer out a few heavier loads to break it in for target loads.

[@grannman]

yeah the damage looked terrible. Man I'm glad it wasn't me who shot it! Did you get any hot powder and rubbish venting onto your arm or face?

[@eslingur]

Большое спасибо за Ваше видео. Это мне очень помогло разобраться с моим Stoeger 2000. Good luck!!! :)))

[@grannman]

havent done any duck shooting since the paradise duck shoot a couple of months ago. I don't own this shotgun, I just promo'd it for guncity. I really doubt this gun could begin to approach worst gun ever. The machining is good, the action components are solid, big and built to take punishment. From my time with it I'd recommend it. Have to wonder about reviews saying it's the worst gun ever, must be an ulterior motive surely.

[@grannman]

@passngas2 I know what you mean about the cheek seeing as on many shotguns you have to crush your head down onto the stock to get a good low sight. It is possible you could get a shim kit i.e. spacers that drop the comb of the stock. I've recently purchased a pump action escort that allowed me to do this and it really allows you to get your eye level without squashing your face against the stock.

[@sniper6636]

very true such as the remington 500 benelli M4 all depends on what you do with it and how your going to reeat it

[@grannman]

great, glad you found the vid useful.

[@grannman]

@117buster just make sure you've using cylinder choke or at most improved cylinder.

[@fpsnewzealand100]

Really good vid thanks vie read your articles in nz guns and hunting swell and think they are great

[@grannman]

Airsoft plastic breaks if you even look at it wrong. This polymer furniture set is so far ahead of that rubbish it's incomparable.

[@grannman]

@117buster put your skeet/cylinder choke in. No need for another barrel.

[@grannman]

Yes I think it is.

[@grannman]

and if the Mossberg 835 cant hold up to what you expect there's always something like an Ithaca mag 10 to give you the firepower you want. Apples to oranges, there's always something different.

[@grannman]

yes that's what I would expect given the exchange rate.

[@grannman]

I'm having difficulty understanding what the problem is. Disassemble the shotgun and make sure the bolt is sitting correctly on the action bar. Once disassembled you will have a better idea of what the problem may be.

[@the_npve]

@fxdwg19961 you dont need to use heavy shells to break it in. dont listen to people who say that. the guns fires no differently after you shoot big ass loads through it. dont waste your money.

[@grannman]

Yes businesses do that to differentiate brands and their associated quality and price points. Generally companies like the above would get a controlling interest such as 51% rather than 100% ownership.

[@762alekto5]

All the people having issues with these guns makes me wonder if its the gun or people are not cleaning them good and then breaking them in. The Mossberg 930 is junk to some people because it has some of the same issues but if you clean it very well before shooting it and polish some of the parts with sand paper you can get the 930 to operate like it should with low and high brass.

[@sldghamr1]

i haven't had that problem yet, i got mine in May, 2009. put about 800 shells thru it so far. about 2 out 100 shells doesn't chamber all the way on mine.

[@xDIK86x]

awesome vid!

[@grannman]

First thing I'd do is strip it, degrease everything so it is nice and clean and then re-oil with whatever you like to use.

[@randomdud668]

holy hell. thats impressive

[@grannman]

It probably would have been around 30 meters. Yes, a bit far away.

[@FlamingTBag]

thanks

[@grannman]

@ko0b it was a demo gun from guncity. I reviewed it for them. Where did you read that this gun jams a lot? There will be unrepresentative lemons out there of any brand but to say stoeger m2000s jam a lot is a silly fable a bit more reading should cure.

[@Toledotourbillion]

I like your slang, you sound nice.

[@danephillips]

Got one today !

[@Dizzarchangel]

I am getting one of these in a few weeks. 24" barrel all synthetic... did u do the break in for it??? the best thing to do to break this in without wasting shells is to remove all of the oil, and rack the slide back for about 30 mins, lube it up and your ready to go!!!

[@grannman]

@scottchkill any non-target load. Use cylinder/skeet choke.

[@fixdeluxe1]

Hell yea...I would have brought it.

[@grannman]

It never did nor would it unless the user failed to replace it properly.

[@grannman]

@whittanger That step is not part of a field strip. Use google if you need to know.

[@grannman]

@SuperBearsfan4life You can see me putting them in at the end fo the video. They go in the forearm and it doesn't really matter what order you put them in.

[@grannman]

@jebustheone absolutely.

[@passngas2]

@welseypipes2989 i had a similar problem that really annoyed me because the gun just wouldnt shoot shot after shot. The shells were being dented lightly. It was at the beginning of a round of sporting clays, and i thought i had the firing pin in wrong. my gun has a camo coating on it that makes the barrel fit really tightly, and as it turns out, the problem was the barrel wasnt tightened down quite enough. Once i tightened the barrel down, my gun functioned flawlessly the rest of the day.

[@electricalengineeringmachi2923]

i have Stoeger model 2000 delux when i shot a fire they didnot reload the other cartridge in to barrel.please recommend solution, how ever i had cleaned so many times.

[@grannman]

@ko0b operated fine for me and I'd be confident buying one.

[@kaser975]

I have get a problem with my Gun Shot moving left of the target>>!!

[@sldghamr1]

specifically which dove load are you using? the lightest load i have used since buying my stogie 2000 is Federal 2.75" 1oz 7.5 low bass. cycles just fine for me and that was me out shooting in the back woods right after using some Kent 3" 1 1/8 oz 2 shot waterfowl loads.

[@grannman]

@cyberbirth 28" is the way to go. The longer the better for waterfowl imo.

[@grannman]

As I said in the video... Vursan initially pirated the Benelli inertia recoil system.

[@grannman]

looks like you had a barrel obstruction to cause that damage on your over under shotty.

[@grannman]

@WarBoundification I don't see why not.

[@raberry92]

Thanks Great Video