Declination Diagrams on a Topographic Map

[@STOKERMATIC]

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[@martinkolar3595]

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[@STOKERMATIC]

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[@philippejoyal8065]

Thanks a lot! The way you explained it really simplified my understanding and I am now more confident of my plotted azimuts.

[@johnstevenson9429]

I was once given this saying to adjust for declination. Always assuming you are begining with a grid bearing: west is best and east is least. If the declination diagram on the map shows mag is west of grid then add. If it shows it east of grid then subtract. This only works if your going from grid to magnetic.

[@jacobriley7970]

From the video: "If you're to the left - to the west of the isogonic line, then your left-add/right-subtract is going to be--if your trying to convert from grid to magnetic--you're going to Add (left add), but if you're on the east side of the isogonic line, if you're on the right coast as opposed to the left coast, then it's going to be the exact opposite." Isn't this the exact opposite of what you're saying, John Stevenson? Because the west side of the U.S. shows "mag is east of grid" on declination diagrams, and the east side of the U.S. shows "mag is west of grid" on declination diagrams. Meaning if you're on the west side, you would subtract (grid to magnetic). Stoker says ADDif you're on the west coast, though, as per above quote. Every time I think I have it figured out, I feel like I hear something that contradicts what I thought might be true. lol.

[@johnstevenson9429]

@@jacobriley7970 yes I know what you mean. That was only what I was told. I guess someone will figure it out

[@jacobriley7970]

@@johnstevenson9429 It totally seems like what you said is correct though. That's what's throwing me off. I think, maybe, stoker misspoke?

[@johnstevenson9429]

@@jacobriley7970 I don't know Jacob. If the choice is between me and what I read on the internet and Stoker, I would go with Stoker...lol

[@jacobriley7970]

Yeah, but what you said matches up to what someone told me IRL that's good at Land Nav, so... hahaha. What a pickle, could mean the difference between arriving at your destination, and being hundreds of kilometers away >.< But thanks for the interaction man, have a blessed day.

[@diynhamy8452]

Very useful . Thank you SGT

[@STOKERMATIC]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@caseykelso1]

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[@STOKERMATIC]

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[@tomstclair3390]

Thank you

[@Rickflairshair]

Thank Top. Glad you made this video. Its such a great learning tool

[@STOKERMATIC]

Right on amigo! I think I could have done a better job looking back, but hope it still helps out someone.

[@mawgateway]

Stoker, at 6:15 you say that if you're to the west of the isogonic line, you need to add to convert from grid to magnetic. That's backward. Being physically west of isogonic and converting from grid to mag requires subtracting from grid. Converting from mag to grid requires adding to mag. Maybe you were referring to the direction of the compass declination rather than your physical location (east or west of the isogonic line). This stuff seems like it should be simple, but it's easy to confuse it. Left, right, add, subtract, magnetic, grid. Wait a minute, let me think this through again.

[@STOKERMATIC]

LARS.

[@mawgateway]

@@STOKERMATIC The LARS acronym is useful. But here's the confusion in what you're saying starting at 6:15. You said if you are west (or left) of the isogonic line, then you add. But the LARS thing doesn't base left or right on your personal position compared to the isogonic line. The left/right applies to the direction of your declination. If I am west (or left) of the line, my declination is to the right. Therefore, right declination = subtract in order to convert from map to compass. By the way, you're my favorite source of instruction on land navigation. Please keep it up. Great stuff.

[@P6009D]

Let's assume my map's GN points to 12 o'clock. TN = Meridian points to 11 o'clock. MN = Compass needle points to 10 o'clock. Magnetic declination is the angle between 10 and 11. I have an adjustable compass and correct the declination + the difference between 11 and 12 which is the difference between TN and GN. In which situations should the difference between TN and GN be taken into account? I agree with you civilian maps are bad at informing about what and how things should be adjusted.

[@STOKERMATIC]

Wow, Thanks brother! Magnetic Declination would be the difference between 12 and 10 (GN and MN). TN means nothing when using map and compass (assuming as in your scenario that TN isn't the same as GN). To use a grid azimuth with a compass, or to use a magnetic azimuth with a map, the math you must account for is the difference between magnetic north and grid north. Hope that helps! When to account: always if 5 degrees or more. Especially if moving more than 400 meters. If it's 4 degrees or less, it's always good practice to account for it (but it won't make that much of a difference if traveling short distances). If you have a compass where you can preset it, there's no reason not to.

[@P6009D]

@@STOKERMATIC Yes, you should probably avoid unnecessary mathematics when you are tired in the forest. I have seen some adjust between MN and TN, then turn the shed in the compass parallel to the meridian lines on the map that are exposed on Swedish maps. I have two tools, a map (GN) and a compass (MN), where Santa lives is irrelevant. Thanks for the reply.

[@JeffMeadowsOutdoors]

Being in the east, I just know my compass will read 8 degrees more than my map. ( 7 or 9 degrees if I drive more than about 40 minutes either way) Thanks Stoker for the videos!

[@STOKERMATIC]

Right on Jeff! I could have explained a little more about easterly and westerly declination but maybe next time.

[@josephlascuola5751]

I have a question related to declination. If I adjust my compass for a westerly declination (I’m in an area that has an 11° W declination) and I’m in the field and shoot a bearing to an object located at 118°, would I subtract 11° from the 118° to find the object on the map using a bearing of 107°, or use the compass bearing of 118° since the compass is adjusted for declination? I think I will have a firm understanding of declination once I have a clarification on this scenario. I look forward to your reply. Thank you. Joe L.

[@STOKERMATIC]

To draw an azimuth on a map that will be relative to what you determined with your compass you would subtract the declination before taking pen to paper. Hope that helps.

[@STOKERMATIC]

...if your using a baseplate compass and you have it preset, there’s no need to make an additional adjustment. If your using a lensatic compass what you shoot is magnetic and you need to adjust.

[@ericdee6802]

How the heck did I miss this video???? Must be your new microphone 🎤🤯

[@STOKERMATIC]

I dunno Eric! lol

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[@STOKERMATIC]

Right on! I filmed a demo that I’m still working on - similar but longer. But I’m thinking of a series - short and long movements. I’m rambling...we’ll see what I can come up with. Lol

[@rickm4295]

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[@Stone-Wolf-Outdoors]

great info Brother :)

[@STOKERMATIC]

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[@rayvila7761]

Ray Vila what if gn line falls between tn line and mn line, what then? thanks a lot...

[@STOKERMATIC]

Only thing that matters for declination is the difference/relationship between GN & MN: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYCpe4pqptJlh9k

[@donaldburton6869]

If I am using a map that was upgraded in 1981 and the declination is listed at 17 deg. But the declination is now 14.8 deg. What number do I use? I know it’s only 2.2 deg. different. Thanks! Oh yeah I love all your videos. VERY informational!

[@STOKERMATIC]

Use the recent declination. In your case, I’d use an even 15

[@joefennell7535]

Top notch Top

[@STOKERMATIC]

We’re in the danger zone Joe!

[@dancurrey6073]

What would happen if you lined your compass up with Grid North on the map, then subtracted the GM angle (if westerly) to orient the map to Magnetic North. Couldn’t you then get your azimuth right off the map by aligning the two points with your compass (assuming you have a properly oriented map to Magnetic North).

[@STOKERMATIC]

Yes. If the map is aligned to MN - you could use the edge of your compass (connecting point to point) and read the azimuth on your compass which would give you a magnetic azimuth from point to point.

[@GryphonIndustrial]

Theres a bit with map declination I don't get. MGRS maps make sense because the grids are straight with the map but I have a local topo map and the grid lines don't run parallel to the map. They are canted. Do I still adjust my declination to grid north or for that map do I use true north and just kinda ignore the grid lines?

[@STOKERMATIC]

If you’d like you can send me a picture - [e-mail]. The GM angle is to help convert grid azimuths to magnetic. If the map has one you should be able to use it. If it doesn’t you couldn’t use your areas GM (when trying to convert grid to mag or mag to grid) because it’s going to be different. Hope that helps!

[@t_train3796]

Hurricane, you could use your compass and orient your grid lines to magnetic North. That way whatever you plot off of it has the declination factored in.

[@GryphonIndustrial]

@@STOKERMATIC I rewatched your land nav videos and I finally got it. Light bulb just wasn't going on before. I also just scored a 2005 cammenga compass for $25 at an auction so now I just gotta print me a topo and get out there in the dirt!

[@32FluidOz]

Stoker, I've seen your later videos where you explain the LARS method but I don't believe you mentioned "LARS" in this video. The LARS method of converting G-M or M-G works the same whether your current declination is East or West, correct?

[@STOKERMATIC]

It does. If your moving the angle to the LEFT - you always ADD (for example on left coast moving from Mag to Grid, on the right coast moving from grid to mag). Visa versa for moving angles to the right - subtract.

[@rdaugherty52]

Stoker I am getting old and my brain forgets now so I have to keep referring to your videos to remember this stuff. Is it absolutely nessary for my well being nope. This is what I do. I take a map I make a tiny mark and call this my patrol base. I then make 7 or 8 tiny little marks usually in a circle back to my patrol base. One mark might be a ammo can another water, maybe a lurp patrol, a sniper, a observation point, and then back to the base. Now I will make up a mission I will pick up the ammo and water and take it to the lurps, I make it a little harder by having a set time to deliver. Then to the sniper, to the observation point and back to the patrol base right after dark. I plot the asmith to each point I know how many meters to each and how long it takes me to walk. This to me is fun. I may not be normal. Have you thought about a set of Stoker cards you can pull out to refresh your memory on some of this stuff? Oh well thanks Stoker see ya man.

[@STOKERMATIC]

Good training and idea!

[@ronvonbargen8411]

Can you orientate your map to the declination angle?

[@STOKERMATIC]

You bet - and in fact, you should because that's the actual direction to the north pole. But if the declination isn't that much, it won't be a big deal. I'll try to work up up a demonstration of this in my area since my declination is fairly great.

[@ronvonbargen8411]

That would be great

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