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[@qazdr6]

So quick review based on the tests here: Battle plan > approx. casualty ratio 3:1, Micro > 12:1 Took about 1.6x longer to play Micro vs Battle plan Victory was achieved in about half the in game time with Micro results may vary That being said there are benefits to battle plans other than the obvious saving of time and attention, like taking Difficult fixed points or overwhelming an opponent in an MP game. interestingly I just tested to see how quickly AI Germany beat AI Poland and they took only about 1.3x longer than cristo's micro, test much faster than cristo's battle plan test.

[@CountCristo]

Thanks for the numbers recap. I certainly think on a tough front the casualty ration would be MUCH more biased in favour of micro. Yes attention in MP was why I added the single player caveat. That test is interesting - suggesting they more often change battleplans would be my guess.

[@qazdr6]

@@CountCristo totally agree

[@sweetsweetapple6557]

I play hoi4 by putting agressive battleplans everytime, cuz since you learn from mistakes I make as many mistakes as I can in order to learn a lot. 👍

[@xModerax]

My head always hurts when I see the ai going over a river into a fort 😀

[@CountCristo]

mine too!

[@Acularius]

Basically, while it has increased functionality compared to Hearts of Iron 3, leaving battles to the AI would lend itself to a slugfest that would inevitably grind your manpower and material into the dust compared to controlling it yourself. So that hasn't changed much. :p

[@danielwallace1759]

Also don't forget that if you control-right click on the icon that displays either in green or red how the battle is going with a unit selected you perform a support attack, meaning that once the battle is over the unit won't move into the province you were attacking.

[@CountCristo]

You can also control-click on the units that your friends are attacking

[@xModerax]

Thx I didnt know this :D

[@ukaszbartoszek4008]

This is a very good idea actually. What's more, I use to create a single-tile battleplan sometimes and delete it just before starting the attack with my units that were assigned to it. This way I get the planning bonus, and after advancing I've no fear that they will randomly change their position and ruin the whole plan. This is for extreme micro but extreme micro means extreme fun :)

[@CountCristo]

You don't need to delete the battleplans - it's often best to keep them (as I do here) so you can get a bonus any time they are static.

[@drachedragoon_1894]

@@CountCristo If you have tanks you do not want the frontline to send the tanks back do you have to unasign them

[@CountCristo]

@@drachedragoon_1894 Or just move your frontline

[@jarickvance4376]

In a single player game against silly Ai it generally doesn't matter whether you use battle plans or not as you can beat fully buffed expert Ai mod Soviets as Germany battle planning - However the main reason why one would battle plan is general grind which if you manage to get certain traits gained from battle planning, your chance of winning the other wars becomes much better as you can then get logistic wizard and other broken traits. So I believe your not entirely right here as battle planning is actually beneficial and despite slightly more causalities against Poland, you will be significantly stronger against Soviets and possibly level up your generals due to the constant attack.

[@CountCristo]

It does matter - you play better and get better results. An easy win is better than a close win. If you want constant attack you can also micro that better than the AI. Also you should remember the way generals get xp has changed - you no longer want constant attack you want battles with good casulty ratios: meaning encirclements are the best way to get general levels.

[@jarickvance4376]

@@CountCristo I enjoy your playthroughs and loved yout black ice game - but the video you have here is almost solely for singleplayer - when in MP it's better to battleplan poland to grind xp as the fastest ways are inflicting/suffering the greatest amount of casualties. After battle planning Poland your invasion into the USSR won't just be easy (if Ai), but easier. Obviously in a single situation microing is better than not, however it's more looking at the meta of grinding generals. Which playing at constant 3 or 4 speed, yes some micro is probably better than none just to ensure all divisions are always attacking, but practically same effect as battleplan. Now in MP you generally just battleplan as it's better to focus attention on microing france/benelux as they either have players or good industry while Poland is banned from most MPs and their industry is pretty trash and since one doesn't need to micro poland it's just better not to as you want to grind them for as long as possible since you don't need their industry. Anyways am awaiting your next modded series where you optimize the bujeebers out of the game!

[@Schicksal0]

14:23 Droid 1.23 reporting in

[@CountCristo]

XD it really does sound roboting. Thanks for sharing.

[@HuszOG]

Roger roger.

[@orestisbe6978]

Here is a chalendge: play a campaign where you can only micromanage when battle plans are on.

[@CountCristo]

I did something kind of like that one - only battle plans - literally never microing. It was really hard XD - not to win just to do.

[@olafschmidt6512]

I usually do the same thing but what absolutely annoys me is what can be seen in your video too. If I leave a division on it's own for a few moments it just starts to move to a completely different part of the front line instead of just staying on the newly gained tile until they get new instructions from myself (the green arrows) and messes up my plan. Is there no way to avoid this? It just becomes tedious to take care that all the divisions don't make new plans on their own.

[@pyayaXC]

"Speed 5" Tutorial #1, don't play at speed 5 I certainly didn't expect that.

[@leon033gaming3]

The Poles said the city must survive

[@farcloud3701]

Really good advice, I was getting pretty frustrated with the game experience using this "AI" to make decisions. The dismal "autoplan AI" makes horrible, illogical decisions, AND disconnects you from the game. Having much more fun (and results) actually making these decisions myself.

[@Slvrbuu]

Could you provide an example of this in MP? Because I have a feeling it's not as effective with all the pausing.

[@CountCristo]

As I say in the video I'm talking SP. In MP there are definatly use cases for battleplan activation.

[@kban77]

I’m pretty new. I still have huge problems winning any battle against AI. I often see the skull symbol. But that isn’t always the problem. Any help? I do upgrades.

[@luisguess3885]

it's probably attrition from lack of supplies check your supply overlay and make sure you build supply hubs or connect your railroads to supply hubs

[@VladimirBerezkin]

is this music a part of some mode? where can I get it? :)

[@CountCristo]

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[@terralp2062]

Its the Frostpunk Soundtrack

[@RodneyMcKayyy]

Now I feel stupid that I did not figured this out on my own

[@CountCristo]

Nah it's not stupid.

[@adamelestratega]

A more effective and related approach is to use both as the game makers intended that way you can relax a bit more while fixing mistakes of the IA and gutting the soft attack bonuses too

[@CountCristo]

You get the full attack bonus from planning when attacking manually

[@adamelestratega]

@@CountCristo Didnt know that

[@crazysarge9765]

Bruh im trying to roleplay, I don't think the Germans microed their troops into Poland.

[@aidenmclaren1595]

Crazysarge So you think they just attacked randomly everywhere along the border?

[@Nate14567]

thanks bro, i got 19K casualties as germany only while poland had 245K casualties

[@nener6967]

Im so dumb if I just had use the plane before I would of gone much better

[@leaveme3559]

R u ever gonna play meiou and taxes again?

[@CountCristo]

maybe

[@leaveme3559]

@@CountCristo Man plz

[@kaiserkonnigratzer1528]

Source on the song in the video?

[@CountCristo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqfXYoGJd8xghdk

[@kaiserkonnigratzer1528]

@@CountCristo Thanks so much!

[@Shad0wack]

What about the planning bonus? New player here

[@CountCristo]

You still get the planning bonus from a deactivated plan

[@Shad0wack]

@@CountCristo So i make a plan and never activate it or deactivate it once combat starts?

[@CountCristo]

@@Shad0wack the former

[@Brayden_D.C_Dean]

What mod is that

[@CountCristo]

People are bad at asking this question

[@britishgamer666]

IMO, you should activate battleplans when an enemies frontline has just completely collapsed. Makes it easier

[@CountCristo]

Easier but still less efficiant. And much MUCH slower in game time.

[@ironwolfnl7365]

Yeah. Trying to micro against the soviet when you've encircled and killed most of their army is kinda annoying when you need to push up to the urals to make them capitulate...

[@swagodaman6320]

As a HOI3 fan this has always annoyed me

[@konplayz]

God i will never understand how someone can use those disgusting nato icons

[@CountCristo]

:P

[@Acularius]

Familiarity I would say... or at least that would be in my case.

[@Luca-gj4yi]

@@CountCristo I use them to learn read NATO Symbols just for fun

[@pertys_socks]

The AI is so dumb, I just play with AI improvement mod. When I try to micro and surround them, the AI wont just sit there and do fuck all

[@covini4142]

"Im better than you" 1v1 me nerd /s

[@covini4142]

Im famous now

[@gandalfos]

wtf no

[@Aralotus1]

I think u can even do better cristo. U missed some chances

[@redidlobile7126]

worst game hoi series