Stop buying into "HEAVY DUTY"

Are the Singer heavy-duty sewing machines any good? Why do so many people buy these machines? Singer sewing machines aren't what they used to be. Join us as we talk about why these machines aren't heavy-duty, why that may not matter, and what heavy-duty sewing actually means(and costs.) FYI there are many budget sewing machine options out there.
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Budget(under $500)
Baby Lock Joy(see local dealer)
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Janome 1600P-QC: amzn.to/33uelvQ
Convenience Sewing machines(Over $500)
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Treat yo-self!
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Juki HZL-NX7: amzn.to/3baHBfi
After this point, premium sewing machines are sold exclusively at boutiques
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[@timothytotten9409]

Who are the fools giving this a thumbs down? Rude! Great video. Keep it up!

[@KatchiVatchi]

Right!? Thanks Tim!

[@celesteklassman2546]

Because she is wrong

[@africo9104]

Where can you see the thumbs down, I thought it was banned to press that button

[@KatchiVatchi]

KZbin removed it rather recently.

[@rocklicker639]

Probably the people that fell for the gimmick and bought one.

[@melindaadams6520]

I've been sewing for 52 years. This is my 4th machine and it does everything it promised. I've sewn heavy upholstery fabric and even welted seams on heavy duty outdoor fabric to sew my own trailer awning. It preformed better than any other machine I've ever owned with heavy fabrics. I never saw anything on the box when I purchased it claiming to be an industrial machine. It's held up well for the six years I've owned it and has never given me any trouble. I only paid $200 for it and am not ashamed to sit next to women at quilting retreats with machines five times the expense of mine. My Singer Heavy Duty is a beast but light enough to lug around. I don't think they are pretending to be anything other than what they are.

[@djtblizzle]

Well said!

[@ladyflimflam]

Absolutely. I’ve used mine to make awning for a horse trailer, heavy canvas skirting for a stage, costumes of ultrasuede, denim, cotton, linen and silk, a canvas lined leather bag, webbing straps for tie-downs, kites from ripstop nylon and more, more, more. It has the FLEXIBILITY to deal with heavier weight fabrics without clunking out, has everything I need without all the other $$$ features I don’t need and is a mechanical machine so I can take it apart and service it myself. All for $100 on sale. Case closed.

[@WhatashameMaryJane]

Very useful comment, thank you Melinda.

[@hstevenadams1202]

Exactly! Sail covers and boat upholstery, vinyl, the Singer HD works well. Can punch through 6+ layers of canvas. I've used mine for more than 5 years. Yeah... next step is an industrial machine... when I find room and feeling like The Hulk. The Singer HD is straight forward, simple, easy to service and maintain.

[@gaylal8647]

I completely agree with you! And thank you so much for this comment. I just bought the Heavy Duty 6360 with the accessories I wanted-$220....a great price. I'm so in love with this machine and it does everything the website says. So this persons video here is so wrong and Singer isn't selling any hype at all. Thanks again and happy sewing!

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

For most of the average audience sewing at home, theyre decent machines and affordable. One thing that i really hate in the online sewing community is the snobbery, sneering at people on a budget and looking down on any one not buying a 500 dollar machine out the gate. Not saying that this video is the snobbery but its definitely a problem in forums and reddits

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

I left the sewing reddit a few years back when I saw them belittle a nice lady who was respectfully asking for help with a singer. She had an 11 year as I recall who was interested in sewing and she didnt want to sink a lot of cash into a machine at least until her daughter stuck with it and showed whether this was what she really wanted to do. For someone like that, a Singer HD is perfectly fine. But no, those people posting were so rude, telling her she was being cheap and she should just buck up for a Janome that was twice her budget. How is that helpful?

[@sienabrielle]

@@JoJo-ie8sl Reddit seems to hate singers!! i get it it’s not heavy duty but it’s still a good machine! but what i hate the most is when they keep recommending me to get a vintage and used machine. like i’m sorry but i can’t find any of those and i don’t want to have to get it serviced because it might be broken 😒 reddit can be helpful but not when it comes to sewing/sewing machines…

[@lydiajimenez1454]

Totally agree

[@lilybee_]

Agree!! I bought an expensive baby lock that is sitting unused because it was having major issues within a month of buying it. I have a basic singer that is amazing and reliable. The singer HDs can handle heavier fabrics so I don't know what this video is about.

[@betglo8151]

Glad I've read the comments.

[@douglashedenkamp1087]

Eh, it's a 200 dollar sewing machine, what do you expect? It's heavier duty than other 200 dollar sewing machines, and if you have 200 dollars to spend on a machine, I doubt there's anything out there that is as well made and versatile. All of the machines on your recommended list are more expensive. I have used mine to sew canvas bimini tops with V-92 thread and heavy canvas, and to repair a Sunbrella boat cover. On both projects I was using thick thread and a thick needle and sewing through multiple layers of canvas, thick webbing, and velcro with no problem. I've also used it for numerous other canvas projects, as well as more delicate fabrics. Overall, given what I have already done with it, I'd say it was a bargain. Will I get a heavier duty machine if I get into bigger projects? Maybe, but in my opinion, this is an excellent first machine for someone learning to sew.

[@halibut1249]

The machines you're recommending are EXPENSIVE. The Singer H.D. line on the other hand is relatively affordable. For me it is the basic machine but with the bonus features that it can sew fast, all weights and layers of materials, won't break the bank, portable, and there are videos that explain how to use it.

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

Yes! I am tired of the snobbery online, the way people think everyone needs an 800 dollar machine out the gate

[@gaylal8647]

@@JoJo-ie8sl Yes, me too! All the machines on her list are ridiculous in price. I love my Singer HD....great machine!

[@jarikinnunen1718]

I have Singer HD and 230€ was enough for sewing machine.

[@LB17780]

Couple of points. I'm not sure you understand the market for this machine. You seem to have gotten hung up on the "HD" label and become a little confused. You seem pretty nice so I'd like to help with that and I hope no offense is taken. First point would be that folks who buy $200 machines generally can't afford the $700 - 1,500.00 machines you suggest as the alternatives we should consider. That's why there's a $200 sewing machine market, but those in that market have very legit needs for a durable strong machine. And this machine is definitely all of that. The 16 different models of machines in that lineup are actually a good thing. You can get a config that most suits your needs. Not sure how or why one might think that a bad thing. Regardless, the machine is constructed not just of metal housing, but of metal innards as well. You wouldn't know that unless you took it apart to see inside (or watched a fantastic video from someone who did kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnrQhYd6bd5qa5I). That's what is commonly referred to as Heavy Duty construction. Minimal plastic, maximum metal. For durability and longevity that's hugely important. You can sew leather with this machine. Multiple layers. Denim. Multiple layers. Pretty much as much as you can fit under the foot. For the average user (who isn't sewing inch thick saddle gear or sewing together nylon towing straps or load bearing equipment harnesses) that is PLENTY. And, by any non-industrialists standards it is absolutely 100% a Heavy Duty machine. Speaking of which, I think you are confusing the term Heavy Duty with Industrial. HD consumer machines are not Industrial machines, and are not meant to be. For 99.9% of the laypersons who would need a tough machine this one will easily do, and then some. Also, while it's probably somewhat impolite to link to another YT video on the same topic, I think I would be remiss in not suggesting again you watch this technical breakdown of the Singer 4452 HD. Hopefully this will help. Peace and kind regards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnrQhYd6bd5qa5I

[@MrTpirrone]

Really ironic that you didn't actually show the machines not doing what they claim ???

[@DirkBotha]

Sorry, no! When compared to the stuff in it's price range, the Singer Heavy duty is exactly that, Heavy Duty. i.e. You won't get a machine that stays with you longer and works harder IN THAT PRICE RANGE! Two very popular international brands have failed me repeatedly, while my Singer Heavy Duty 4432, just keeps going. I can sew silk today and 3 layers of canvas tomorrow, both without so much as a single lost stitch. No other EQUALLY PRICED machine, has been able to grant me the same level of utility. I've made garments, belts, wallets and more! Even 2cm sponge sandwiched between 4 layers of webbing and two layers of felt, is no challenge for this machine. Yes, you can't be half asleep when doing that, and you can't do it 12 hours a day, 365 days a week, but you can do it more often than not, and it will get the job done. Which brings me to my next point: There is a difference between Heavy Duty and Industrial. And no, the Singer Heavy Duty is NOT an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine, if you need an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine get a JUKI, or even better; Go rescue that old Singer K320 or K319 from your grandmother's attic. They are damn near indestructible, and capable of dealing with heavy upholstery jobs on a daily basis. In fact, the Singer K320 and K319 were considered industrial machines in their time and yes, many sail boats sported sails made using these machines, but I would not use them to make modern sails of Dacron. For that, your best bet is still Sailrite. The Singer Heavy Duty range fills a gap between home sewing and industrial sewing, at a price that still falls comfortably in the home sewing range. Don't expect it to be an industrial sewing machine and you'll have a far more reliable machine than anything else I've seen IN IT'S PRICE RANGE.

[@TheFallenAcorns]

Well-explained.

[@KatchiVatchi]

I would agree that older singers are comparable but my experience has been that there are more reliable quality machines in this price range FOR sure. And there are equally crummy machines in this range as well.

[@DirkBotha]

@@KatchiVatchi Please share links to those machines. Getting better than the Singer for 200 USD would be amazing.

[@markwilliams1824]

Totally agree!

[@wuessara9582]

Well said, totally agree with you Dirk.

[@MargoDiPatri]

I have a Singer HD 4452…. With that said, I purchased it during the height of Covid shut downs when no machines were available, and if they were, they were through the roof! It was affordable and ’s been good to me. I’ve made thousands of “donated” mask, bags, backpacks and It’s still going. No regrets.

[@KatchiVatchi]

Absolutely, the point I’m really trying to make here is not that they are terrible machines but that they are not better than other quality machines in the same price point.

[@gaylal8647]

@@KatchiVatchi But they are better, much better. I've got the 6360 HD and hands down is the best machine I've ever owned, and I'm 60! It sews anything and everything I want, just as described on Singer's website. And there are far more people standing by Singer HD than you realize.

[@amarug]

I love the Singer HD. It was really cheap, it honestly goes through multiple layers of denim and thick leather like butter if you get a good needle. It has all the basic functionality I need to do anything from making simple pillowcases to dresses to adjusting thick leather pants and jeans. Sure I would rather have a Juki industrial grade one, but that is out of budget.

[@DaniGirl6]

I think the point of the video was to say avoid allowing badges like Heavy Duty or Tough Series stop you from looking at more models, not to really say Singer HD is garbage. Despite what her cynical technician said. The matching heavy duty and jumping to a specialist straight stitcher was not well explained. First, heavy duty doesn't have a standard meaning for sewing machines so one person's heavy duty needs doesn't match another. Thus, arguments start. First, I would discard if you need a heavy duty machine. I think someone typically who wants a heavy duty machine doesn't have a clear idea of what fabrics they will use and just doesn't want a broken machine due to not knowing what to get. Someone who wants what she defined as heavy duty knows very well what they are using it for and wouldn't be looking for heavy duty but for something for their specific needs. Notice none of these industrial machines say heavy duty? It's typically the lower side that says HD. The Singer HD is a safe choice that is priced slightly higher for being a household name and overall no research generally do what you want big box available everywhere choice. So look for the sales. You can get better but it takes leg work doing the research and maybe literal leg work trying out sewing machines. But it's not like double the value better, just oh that's nice and I appreciate it better. You probably wouldn't miss it if you never experienced it.

[@VStarRiders]

ok... So i started this video about an hour after I had watched a Teardown and view of the exact machine types. Sewing Machine Repair Guy on youtube did an actual breakdown by opening and showing you the inside of the machine. He broke down what parts were metal and what was plastic and why one could be fine being plastic. She started talking about how the motors only take so much in regards to power. The motor is always geared with a small gear on the motor and a big gear on the Top. they are belt driven and if a belt can work in a motorcycle they can and do work on a sewing machine. All of her rants were second-hand because she does not have the first-hand knowledge to understand what she is talking about. The electrical part was a huge giveaway on why she doesn't understand half the topics she is talking about. I think she is pushing for other brands. Babyloc is her push of choice. I won't watch more of her videos.

[@KatchiVatchi]

Thanks for the feedback! Yes a large portion of my opinion comes from secondhand information. And I have no qualms with plastic parts inside machines. The main point I was trying to make is this machine is not better than other basic sewing machines I would not consider it “heavy duty. As far as pushing specific brands actually really adore Juki Janome Babylock & brother sewing machine I just particularly find singers to be of lesser quality, so no, I won’t “push” those.

[@VStarRiders]

@@KatchiVatchi I get that... the key to the Heavy Duty versus nonheavy duty I suspect is within their own line. Is it heavy duty compared to a commercial product.... probably not. does it contain heavier components compared to the non-HD versions in their line? That is where I think it does. Me personally, when I viewed the video (especially after watching a repair video that showed what actually was heavy duty and why by having a stripped down model on the video and being an ex nuclear engineer) it was hard to hear much after the part when you spoke of the motors as the motor is only a MINOR part of what does or doesn't make a machine heavy duty.

[@ExCenterProductions]

I have a singer HD and it works through everything, i can fit under the foot. 8 layers denim? No problem, doesnt even slow down much. It is a strong maschine targeted at new people to the Hobby who are searching for a maschine, that will do a lot of denim etc. Without problems and thats exactly what it does. And it is light and small enough to Just put it away when you dont use it. I think its the right marketing. Its not a disadvantage for the buyer. I wouldnt have bought a more expensive one.

[@silverstarfinder]

This is fascinating! Really learning a lot from your videos.

[@Discotechnica]

Oh man this was the first USEFUL video about Heavy Duty branded machines I've seen. Thanks!

[@africo9104]

I'm a yachty and needed a heavy duty sewing machine and something I could sew my clothes as well. I bought the Janome HD 3000 and couldn't be happier with it. It sews throught 12 lawyers of denims, sail covers and smaller sails, but once you take the sails off you would usually have a long lasting work done in a sails loft anyway, but its good for tears . It sews delecate fabrics like chiffon and silks. I've had this machine for 6 years and love it. The best thing is that its not Electronic so very few things go wrong. It has plenty of stitces including stretch and serving as well.

[@KatchiVatchi]

Hey thanks for sharing. Janome makes awesome stuff.

[@barbaramatthews4735]

I have the Singer 4432 Heavy Duty machine. I got it when they first came out. I didn't like it much at first, but I grew into it. I actually enjoy it now. I had a cheap Suinger basic machine that broke sewing denium. It busted, and the timing was way off. With the heavy duty one can sew denium. I don't care if it is hype or not. I'm pleased with my machine. It works for my needs. I have a vintage Singer 414G. That machine can do heavy duty. It doesn't do much more than a straight stitch, but it works. I get what you are saying. I do believe for a home machine the Heavy Duty is good enough. It does do more than the regular Singer does. I have a Husqvarna Viking Emerald machine too. It is a little more fussy but it's a good machine. I may be a sailor (In a Navy veteran) but I'm not going to sew sails. I'm not sewing layers of canvas. I'm not a machine snob.

[@barneygerberg6547]

What machine do you recommend for putting patches on a leather vest?

[@zeeusoderqvist4921]

so what would you recommend for first time buy? I wanna sew some pouches(EDC) in some canvas and condura material. does the Singer do the trick? what do you reccommend?

[@mrjlsny]

I would give you a hug for this, I 100% agree, it's all marketing, and it works well on a lot of people!

[@daughterofyah6209]

This helps a lot!! Now I’m going to check out your video! Thank you for being honest with us!!

[@TraSea72]

What machine would you recommend for doing alteration work?

[@djtblizzle]

Heavy duty machines handle leather and denim better than a standard machine. It’s not “just”!marketing. There’s a difference between heavy duty and industrial.

[@DaniGirl6]

Heavy duty is literally a marketing strategy. It has no legal definition for sewing machines "heavy duty equipment" does for earth moving equipment, not sewing machines. They could call these "military grade" sewing machines or made from "military grade" metal and plastics if they thought it would reach a demographic they could market towards. I don't know what this difference is because it only exists in your head, it isn't real. If you brought up a complaint saying hey this sewing machine isn't heavy duty or isn't industrial duty the judge would ask you, "what is that supposed to mean?" Then dismiss the case if that's all you had to go on and no other concrete promises the company made and failed to deliver.

[@lalon2337]

@@DaniGirl6 it's supposed to be better than a standard machine in the same price range. the name is a marketing strategy and it's also exaggerated, but it's clearly indicating some real features the product has. So it's not heavy duty, but it looks like there is no real reason not to buy it, as the klickbait says.

[@DaniGirl6]

@@lalon2337 the machine that handles thick heavy weight materials cannot handle lightweight materials. That's where people are going wrong. They think it's quality and upgrade, when it isn't. It is one or the other or buy multiple machines. Look at the differences in Juki DDL-8700H and the Juki DDL-8700. It's only a few parts, but it is significant. A do it all machine that people want doesn't exist exactly. It's only going to be okay, never great.

[@Coleen_West]

Nice! -- QUESTION -- I am looking at a CONSEW 206 RB-1 as it seems nice. Do you know whether it can do a ZIG ZAG stich on that machine or is it too old? We want to be able to repair sails on our sailboat and do stuff like that. Heavy materials.

[@grantdeisig1360]

I was given an old (japanese made) montgomery ward sewing machine. Are these machines any good? I was having trouble getting it to stitch consistently without stalling. But I'm sure it's probably just something I'm doing wrong. (like the tension on the thread)

[@jerometruitt2731]

I just got a Janome HD3000 is that a ploy as well? It sewed leather and denim in the review I saw.

[@kazkazzie3906]

Hello, do you know the Necchi q132a which falls in the category of Heavy duty? Is this a good sewing machine, comparable to the Singer HD machines

[@thomasgradine9433]

My wife wants a sewing machine for Christmas. Mostly for your average tasks. However I’d like to use it in the future of sewing some things with 500D-1000D Cordura fabrics. Do we need a heavy duty model or will the Janome 4120QDC-T model work fine for cordura?

[@keremalbayrak5916]

Hello, thank you for the video. Can this machine sew 3 or 4 layers of canvas fabric?

[@alisongarcia3476]

Of course you get paid per view and comment so I guess this helps your algorithm. My Singer Simple and Heavy Duty both made it through the pandemic with basic maintenance. Not a single one of them failed me. Even now my Heavy Duty is making pageant gowns with all the sequins imaginable. No threads busting, there’s a broken needle here and there as with any other machine, and have used heavy fabrics. To each their own on this machine but I love it and do recommend

[@lydiajimenez1454]

I second that. I love my singer HD

[@notconvincedgranny6573]

Weird. I must have gotten their rainbow unicorn. It's doing everything I need in terms of heavy duty. How many home sewers are in need of a Juki industrial or a Sailrite?

[@annastites-foreman4132]

Great advice. Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions and reminded me of previous readings and research I’d done.

[@alonsomartinez9588]

I need to sew 10mm neoprene. Would something like the Sailrite leather sewing machine work?

[@Rooftopdarling]

This answered all of my questions thank you so much!!

[@michaelprosperity3420]

Thanks this helped me out. I'm a beginner and need it for basic sewing like curtains and hems.

[@Zaffindo]

I've got the heavy duty denim. I just bought it because it looks so good. It actually does work too! Nice vid!

[@AdrianYM]

Can you recommend an inexpensive machine that can do a chain stitch?

[@SwampYankeeProjects]

I’m hemming jeans and maybe some leather what do you recommend??

[@ElizaPerks]

Thank you. This video has helped me to finally make the decision of which machine to buy.

[@ivanaIVZ]

What do you think about Necchi Q132A 32? For thick materials ansd everyday use

[@davidbell4986]

Well, Our family business for the last 50 years is sewing machines. I started repairing them at the age of 14. That's right. My dad put me in the back so no customers could see a 14 YO working on their machines. At 65Years I can say this lady is dead on and took the words out of my mouth. Nothing more or less HD about these machines than any others in the price range. No real difference between 600 and 800 SPM. If you want speed get an industrial that will lay down between 7 and 12K SPM for 8 hours a day. It's truly all marketing. I remember when "Free Arms" became popular. Just marketing. Almost useless. Love the Mark Twain quote "It's very easy to fool people and very hard to convince them they have been fooled". This lady is giving out true and honest info. Thanks.

[@Carmangeddon]

I did a search on KZbin University for the Baby Lock Joy and watched a few of your videos and I am happy that the purchase I made. You said all the same things the wonderful Lori @Sierra Sewing told me! I took in a 1960 something Singer for repair and really am bummed that it was far more to fix it than buy new. I am only missing the nostalgia but you both have made my decision feel safe and sound! Thank you!

[@user-er9pj6jt1q]

hi guys I am a beginner What would I buy for sewing leather, plastic as well heavy fabrics? Any brand specific models etc.? Thanks, guys, for your time.

[@cigarboxmaster]

Thank you!!! Was about to buy one but feeling good that I didn’t now.

[@sunzofman940]

Would a basic brother machine handle sewing patches on jean jacket?

[@marciapierce8025]

My 1990 Singer Quantum CSL is a total workhorse! I do a lot of upholstery, sometimes up to 4 layers of duck cloth or Sunbrella and with the proper needle and thread it’s never let me down. My main complaint is parts are hard to get.

[@Shadenese1960]

I’ve owned the Singer HD 4452. I sew home decor, faux leather handbags with no problem. I recently purchased the Singer 6700c they can handle multiple layers of thick fabrics. I can sew up four layers. Of course an industrial machine has more power. I’m speaking honestly from experience

[@sheilaroch5548]

Hi I m looking for a sewing machine that can sew leather, pvc, canvas n cotton . What is the best sewing machine to buy tq

[@TheBethyb00p]

Yes you can invest in an expensive machine, but when they need repair, there lies a difficulty for a rural sewist. Invest in Singer HD and if unable to repair, you can buy another a few times over compared to high end machines.

[@krodkrod8132]

I just made a sheepskin zip up hoodie with mine and it worked great. Easiest machine to use. The titanium needles work awesome in it.

[@sunsettaye4820]

So people shouldn’t buy it because it has heavy duty on it? Everyone knows you can’t buy an industrial machine at Walmart…In todays market more domestic machines (in this price range) have nonmetal frames/components. It’s popular because it’s a solid machine for the money.

[@KatchiVatchi]

There are better solid machines in the price point or even cheaper that are going to hold up equally as well. I don’t want people to be duped by Heavy Duty, when other quality machines for $200-$250 will perform better or equal for possibly longer even. Heavy duty is a marketing ploy and isn’t providing the services that the name implies

[@pappi3]

I was considering Singer Heavy duty but now I will explore some more options. Thanks for sharing your experience. It'll certainly help people to look past the marketing gimmicks.

[@celesteklassman2546]

I have a singer heavy duty machine, it’s really good I sew 5hrs a day for a home business and it’s never skipped a beat

[@pen25]

the singer machines have a 1 amp motor. using the proper needle and thread will allow you to do some heavy sewing. it actually isnt a marketing gimmick these are not meant to ne a commercial machine but i know of several that is being used in that manner be it as a back up for when their commercial consew is off to be serviced. same with the brother st i know of another who uses the brother st machine in his leather shop. again its not used 24x7 but maybe a couple times a week. but seriously how many of us need a 100% duty cycle sewing machine? and yes these hd machines will sew heavier fabrics for the simple reason of having the means of fitting thicker stack under the lifter foot. and the janome hd3000 has all metal gears that if you dont push the sewing machine hard it will last a lot longer then the brother made babylock joy recommended. sad thing is they no longer put a 750watt motor in the machine and are only using 500watts.

[@a_mustache_of_great_repute]

I will give you some advice that repair men will not: slow the fuck down and use the correct needle for the canvas or leather your trying to ram through, and you won't break your machine

[@laviniajohnson9210]

A walking foot is a must sewing soft furnishings. The 4423 works so well when using it and you get better results every time. It regulates 2 layers of different weights of fabric so you get a flat seam.

[@loominaria721]

Is the janome jw8100 good or just as good as the hd1000 or better? If I wanted a computerized

[@KatchiVatchi]

I honestly haven’t seen the jw8100 in person so I don’t know that I can give the best estimation, however I would say that typically to get a computerized machine in that price point you will most often be sacrificing some quality to reach that threshold.

[@sylviahildebrant6037]

Thank you for putting g HD machines where they belong on the buying list. Years ago I needed a stretch stitch machine so I went shopping with a $20 bill in my purse and the only 4-5 stitches I needed. Kenmore fit my bill and I've had her for years. Currently looking for a mechanical machine that I can use set up with a different thread, double needle, whatever and almost fell into the HD talk. Was more into the metal frame lasting longer. (At 70 y.o. forever is exactly what I need. Lol. ) Thank you for letting me know that I was right to keep on looking ~~ not saying I won't get one but knowing facts is important. Once again, thank you.

[@soulstice6365]

What did you buy instead?

[@annebarden4179]

I am researching for an industrial machine and I’m glad I found your video as I was considering one of these as they’re cheaper but it looks not a lot better than my 30 year old brother thanks.

[@amierichan7231]

Hmmm-- the Sewing Machine Repair Guy tested out the Singer Heavy Duty line with all sorts of electronic gizmos and said it really is a heavy duty machine. I have seen the Janome HD1000 compared with a "normal" home machine and it really does handle more. It may be a marketing thing, but that doesn't make it not actually heavy duty.

[@amierichan7231]

Oops, no, you're referring to an industrial machine:-). Heavy Duty and industrial are 2 different things. HD means thick layers. But you're right, I would not sew on the Singer HD for hours a day. For that I have my Singer Studio 16.

[@aquiroz651]

You right, Thanks not so many people said that .

[@melissavalenzuela293]

This was very informative. Thanks!

[@ronald8792]

I'm looking to buy my first sewing machine and this video was very informative. Thx

[@catsshadows]

This is soooo true (about the HD part). Im just trying to find a machine that I can do general sewing and some quilting on.

[@Ziggy77710]

What do you think about Brother heavy duty computerized machine? ST150.

[@shanksworthy]

The Tock Custom channel did a stress test on this one, and it was able to sew at least 2 layers of leather, and 19 layers of duck fabric. Another lady did something like 12 layers of denim. I know people who own regular machines that can’t even pull off 2 layers of denim, so this model seems pretty solid.

[@oddysee209]

I bought a singer 4452 brand new for 100 bucks at auction and it's been fantastic for me for the price point. Solid build and the insides are well put together. There is definitely a difference between these

[@celesteklassman2546]

I’m on my second Singer sewing machine (by choice I wanted to have a second one) and I sew hours and hours a day and it’s never had any problems. My first one is from 2014 and it’s never had a single issue

[@KatchiVatchi]

I can absolutely believe this, I simply make the point that these machines are no more heavy duty than a normal sewing machine. Many many machines can be sewn on for hours and hours for years and years, this is a normal function. By no means “heavy duty”. I’m glad your machines are serving you well!

[@bhobbs3284]

Thank you, thank you thank you! I am sooo tired of seeing YT videos claiming these Singers are the best beginner machines for a given year. As a professional sewing machine technician, we have these machines come in to our shop for repair all the time--some as new as six months. Broken gears, bent shafts: there is nothing we can do for them. You recommended Baby Lock joy, which is a great alternative. There are a few baby lock machines one could buy for the price of a Singer HD. Folks, instead of picking up a cheap Singer at Walmart or the hobby craft store, take a trip to a real sewing machine dealer and get a quality machine on any budget. As the point was made, Singer is owned by an equity firm and has noting to do with the quality machines of 100 years ago. Singer of today could just as well market pogo sticks!

[@andwicahya8870]

I was impressed by this fact, but according to your video. You've mentioning Juki sewing machine a lot in this video. So are the Juki HZL heavy duty portable is just 'heavy duty' branding or it's really heavy duty and more better then singer HD. And Do you prefer the janome HD or the Juki HD for heavy duty portable sewing machine? i'm sorry if my grammar are not really good, i hope you can understand it :") Thank youu

[@rocklicker639]

I suspected this was the case. Glad to hear your perspective.

[@lisareed5669]

I totally love your outlook! I have a Singer Stylist 7258. I love it!

[@lisareed5669]

My first was a refurbished Brother, when I was in 7th grade.

[@lisareed5669]

I'm 63 now. Lol

[@conqueringmountscrapmorewi2509]

I have a vintage Singer and it is all metal. I love that 301A! I', not sure which machine I should look at next.

[@KatchiVatchi]

Vintage singers can be so fun to collect! They are so neat and if you get them in good working order its kind of like taking an old car for a drive. It's about the experience. New machines are just easier to use. I'd look at the metal straight stitch machines like the juki tl 2010 or something like that.

[@AGreaterAmerica]

If your Singer 301 still runs, and does the job for you, just keep it serviced. It'll be a better machine than most household sewing machines that are made today. Otherwise, invest in a commercial machine. You're used to the direct-drive motor that will sew most anything you can put under the foot. You can't get that in a household sewing machine today.

[@rosemaryabbott1020]

I bought my Singer 4411 for this reason. It's simple and I'm a beginner. It's common and easy to find people to repair it when needed or parts for it if need be. I don't want anything too complicated, so I still believe I made the right decision. The price was also right for my budget. A lot of reviewers forget to take affordability into their requirements for being a good product.

[@ES_Glenn]

Great video! I love to hear the real inside scoop before I buy vs making my purchase just on the branding and hype alone.

[@cym.oreo_creates]

Thank-you for replying/making a comment on this! ! Making petbeds (one for an aggressive pitty (pitbull)

[@rachael780]

Are "heavy duty" and "industrial" synonymous? Not in my mind. The Singer HD is a good price for a machine that can sew through many layers of denim and canvas, for HOME use. I don't see Singer marketing these machines as capable of sewing boat sails.

[@lauraneill5981]

Thank you !

[@sanozz7683]

Does singer 4423 heavy duty machine suitable to stitch dress

[@amierichan1428]

Yes, it can stitch pretty much anything.

[@astropgn]

One indication that heavy duty is just a marketing term is looking how Singer market the same machines in different countries. In Brazil it is not called "heavy duty" (or the equivalent in Portuguese). It is called "Facilita Pro" (which translates to "Ease Pro").

[@infiniteoffset]

The name heavy duty is weird, but if you don't look at it as some professional industrial machine, rather casual hobby machine, then it really delivers. And the price is at that level as well. Personally I would recommend HD line over those cheaper non-HD white machines from Singer because those machines are slow and can't sew through thicker fabric.

[@lydiajimenez1454]

I've had mine for 6/7 years and for home sewing sewing..I live it..2 of my sewing machine mechanics say it is one of the better home sewing machines

[@David-kd5mf]

What sewing machine would you recommend that is simple low maintenance can sew canvas tents and backpacks but also can sew linen and denim clothing?

[@KatchiVatchi]

Do you need a zig zag stitch? My go to for that would be the juki 2000qi, but it runs about $700 and is only a straight stitch machine. I say it bc it sounds kind of like you’re doing a business. If it is a business I’d got for that or a sail rite if you need a zig zag. If just making the occasional tent or personal sewing projects a Babylock joy could sew all those things but it’s not meant to do it all day every day for years on end.

[@David-kd5mf]

@@KatchiVatchi Not a business as of yet but that is why I want to learn the skill. Never sewn before. Was looking at heavy duty singer but not anymore after watching your video. I imagine I would need zig zag. Thank you very much for your response.

[@loominaria721]

So is the janome hd1000 basically almost the same as the singer heavy duty? I was actually looking at the janome hd1000 rather than the singer

[@KatchiVatchi]

Pretty much unfortunately. I would say the Janome is higher quality parts than the Singer but even still I would say both are just decent sewing machines, not “heavy duty”

[@b.e8401]

here in EGYPT we only have SINGER and BROTHER machines .. i want a machine for garment small business but solid to stand me for a long time ,, H.D is better or simple 3232 ? or brother is better ? Brother is cheaper here after taxes ,, buying babylock without reparing options here sounds wrong .. please help me ! shipping it across is right or buy from here bc of the garantee ?

[@b.e8401]

@katchi_vatchi

[@IamAlic]

I bought the 4452 last spring and use it with a multitude of indoor and outdoor upholstery fabrics and automotive leather and vinyl, using T45-90 polyester thread (in the bobbin also) ... so far so good for me at least ... it seems to handle them just fine :)

[@kward101]

Great video. I'm mostly in agreement with your opinion, but having sewn on the machine and pulled the covers off, I think it deserves good marks among PoS machines. BTW, the Singer HD series is one of several brands (Bernette B05, Pfaff 160s, Necchi Q132A, etc.) that offer a clone of this machine. The plastic skin, features and accessories vary, but the base machine is the same. We have a Necchi Q132A version. It's not the smoothest, straightest, most powerful, but it does a good job (for a cheap machine) on material considered heavy by modern home machine standards. It will handle heavier poly and lighter nylon thread and responds to tension adjustments well. It punches thru extended runs of maximum thickness (6mm?) fabric (denim, etc.) at speed with no strain. It will sew some coated nylon, webbing, garment leather, etc., but technique, (start position, attack, thread tension...), needle type (denim, leather) and possibly thread lube are important. It's reasonably well designed internally. There is a fair amount of metal where plastic is often found (on modern machines in the price range). It's simple to access, clean, oil and adjust (internally). High mortality rate parts are cheap, common and appear uncomplicated to replace. There are some (felt washer) oil points which help with durability. It's not a lifetime machine or worth expensive repairs, but among PoSs there is a decent value proposition in the heavy duty marketing. Can it sew with my Bernina 1030, Pfaff 1222SE or Juki walking foot, no, but IMHO it's (they are) a good value.

[@podivan22]

Great information. Thanks!

[@user-im1ps9ip2v]

I found a used sewing machine dealer, I told him I wanted a sturdy clothing capacity machine. He told me "I have just the thing you need," a Sears Kenmore, 1980's vintage, made in Japan. It's almost entirely machined metal parts, and has a step reduction speed drive that walks through blue jean/canvass layered fabrics relentlessly. It had very low hours use like many used machines and I really like it. Sold to me for $300.00

[@Aonexia]

I want to buy a Heavy Duty Machine to sew through eight layers of silk. Can I purchase a Cowboy CB3200 stitcher to get started? Its my very first sewing machine...

[@beatlebrarian]

This is really helpful. I'm going to a big sewing Expo next week. I used to sew patterns as a teenager (20 years ago) but moved around so much since then. Now I have a house and want a machine. I thought heavy duty meant it was geared toward denim, leather, etc. One of the projects I'm looking to do is cotton rope bowls, baskets, etc. for my house. I tried the Baby Lock Jubilant last week and really like it but all the Amish ladies around me swear by Janome. Are there good Janomes in the $500 price range I should be looking at? The HD3000?

[@KatchiVatchi]

The Janome 3610 is the most comparable to the Jubilant and it runs around $650. It add the scissor trim function but doesn’t have an easy set bobbin. I love it though bc it comes with an extension table and hard cover and a walking foot which could easily cost that extra $150 that to purchase for the Jubilant( which really is a solid little machine too though). HD 3000 isn’t worth the price difference from the hd1000 in my estimation. ☺️

[@bananapeel3147]

I bought a singer heavy duty because it offered an adjustable pressure foot , 1,100 stitch per minute and more feed dogs than the usual

[@franceshurley3168]

I bought one because it was a manual machine with no computer chips in it. Has enough stitches for all I need, 1100 stitches per minute and I also ordered extra feet to do all I need to do. Should last rest of my life as I'm in my 60s. Have a manual Kenmore from the 70s or 80s and it's still going strong. I've worn out several computerized machines. Never never again on computerized! Also my 1947 Singer from my grandma still going strong but only a straight stitch. Everyone has different needs. I'm an expert seamstress with 50 years experience and after weeks of research I chose the Singer 4452. Very satisfied with it.

[@kazkazzie3906]

Which one of the Singer Heavy Duty was this?

[@anitalandry5232]

Thank you for thing information on heavy duty sewing machines.

[@janniewilliams3569]

I have two of my mother's old Singer Sewing Machines but what I've found out through the years is that it comes down to the needles and the feet. However, I look forward to buying a Baby Lock Machine.

[@PestVic]

The Singer heavy duty went through leather for me just fine. Much better then the standard ones. My Janome HD is going through thick materials like butter so... I think it does help?

[@yvonne2259]

Indeed, nostalgia is keeping the name alive. I ordered this 'heavy duty' a few years ago and was astounded by the terrible noise it made. So I returned it and bought a second hand Elna. Perfect machine! Then, about a year ago I fell for an offer on a Singer serger and sold my old, but very good Toyota 😞 Hell, the noise it makes!! I couldn't use it late at night because my neighbour, sleeping behind the wall of my sewing room, started complaining about the noise. So now I just bought a second hand Huskylock. Awesome, and the sound is of a normal, smooth machine. No more Singers for me, ever!

[@mikemcchesney2555]

I have the Singer 4452, Consew CP206RL, Janome HD3000BE, Singer HD110C, Elna XQuisit II, and Viking 21e. Also, just found a Singer Quantum XL6000 at Goodwill. The only ones not technically "Heavy Duty" are the Elna XQuisit and the Singer Quantum XL6000 (although both have more power than many Heavy Duty Machines (.9 amps Singer and Elna [same machines]). I have zero complaints regarding the Singer 4452. Sews denim and even light leather.

[@jayatkinson1152]

I have this machine and bought into the 'HD' stuff as what I was making at the time needed a machine with more 'oomph'! My Janome actually did as good a job - after 20 yrs the motor gave up and now I only have the Singer HD, but I do agree with you. It doesn't actually do much more than the Janome did! XXX Thanks for the honest review xxx ps. I wonder if you could recommend a quiet sewing machine? xxx

[@user-qt6mt2lq9j]

Wish I saw this when I was researching for my next sewing machine.

[@danielsabh]

excellent content

[@nahaneumbo6794]

I been owning heavy duty more than 10 years works very well for business

[@gillrbee6914]

I fell for the wording on machine - the Heavy Duty on Singer. During lockdown I bought one and regret it. It’s noisy and slow and it’s light. It kept jumping backwards during fast sewing. I have a old Pfaff and I’m sticking to Pfaff forever.. Thank you so much for highlighting what many people are experiencing with this Singer Heavy duty crap machine.

[@cat.nova74]

Thanks for this video. I was looking into a HD machine as I sew bags with multi layers and foam interfacing and my current machine struggles sometimes.

[@sheila003d]

Do not get the singer 4452- mine broke after 4 small pouches. Last week I was singing its praises, this week I can’t find a repair man that wants to take my money to fix it. Even the Singer service was not jumping up to do it

[@PibbleMom297]

@@sheila003d I'm sorry this happened to you Sheila. I expect you were very frustrated. I'm not assuming that a plastic gear was the reason your machine broke down, but plastic parts can be a problem. And of course there are many other things that can go wrong as well. But this is the problem with modern-day machines. The quality of manufacturing, plastic parts can be faulty, or simply give out when the machine is forced to work too hard. I'm sure Singer makes the effort to produce quality. (Although the Singer company no longer exists. Singer is now just a name put on certain sewing machines. It's owned by a very large conglomerate.) But the the built-in planned obsolescence factor ruins it. The machines are expected to fail at some point, then the user learns that it's either unrepairable or would cost too much to repair - sometimes more than the cost of a new machine. The only way for companies to profit is to keep selling more and more machines. They can't make machines that will last indefinitely or they'd go out of business. A sad comment on products of today's manufacturers, not just sewing machines. Consider dishwashers, furnaces, ovens, refrigerators, and so on. On the other hand, vintage machines were built to provide generations of service. No, they won't last forever, but plastic machines will often be in the recycle bin while 50 to 80 year old (and older) machines are still being used by a fourth generation. Vintage machines are not perfect, but finding the right one for what a person wants to sew is frequently a great solution, especially a machine which can handle much heavier use than what's produced today and not break down. I didn't mean to get this wordy and I'm not knocking all modern machines, let alone all items made with plastics. I own some modern machines myself, along with a collection of vintage "old ladies". Modern machines do have their place, you just need to be sure the machine purchased is suitable for your needs so that it will work for you as long as possible. Some people may scoff and say I don't know what I'm talking about - they have the right to do so. But I've been around since the middle of the last century and have watched planned obsolescence develop and become the norm. I find it rather sad.

[@lasilvers70]

great video - thanks so much!

[@laurieannebaker885]

I love my Singer HD been using it for over two years. I've made several bags with it, it's a fantastic workhorse. Will it do as much as an industrial machine will do, no of course not. It's not meant to, because it's still a domestic machine just one with a little more power.

[@lydiajimenez1454]

Totally agree..I love mine. I have had no problem with it as well

[@davidvineyard4383]

Great job and perfect message. So true on the "Heavy Duty" term used for the Singer machines. They are great machines for normal sewing They just are not made for heavy or large material like awnings, upholstery, Thick tarp etc.

[@KatchiVatchi]

Exactly!

[@africo9104]

@@KatchiVatchi Problem is that the HD on the Singer loco makes people think its Heavy duty, I did a lot or research before I bought the Janome HD 3000. Lot of my yachty friends were annoyed with their Singer HD , and sailright machines are quite bulky, heavy and difficult to handle as well, but mostly used by yachties, I wanted a dual machine for all kinds of sewing. My research showed that the Janome HD3000 comes normally with a 110 V for the American market . So I flew to Singapore to get the one with the 240 V. Hope that helps people who want to buy a genuine HD machine.

[@CrystalChristianStore]

Is great for jeans

[@junechacon9602]

I’ve given up on Singers , I’ve dumped them in the trash 🥲

[@glowup978]

Are they good for sewing clothes ? I want to make a dress

[@MelEveritt]

Thank you so much xo