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[@frank88ster]

Very good variation. First, master the 'IN COURT SERVE', no use if you can even get it in at least 70%. Aim for 100% before any other variation( fancy) serves. Out or net balls means you loose serve when you should have easily mastered as rule 1. Try fancy only when you are 'ahead by 4-6pts'. Don't give up your lead easily.

[@Fernwald84]

There's frequently misconceptions about the effect of the follow through on the ball. In tennis, the average length of time the ball remains on the strings is about 4 milliseconds. In terms of how much distance the ball travels on the racket strings, well it's roughly 4 inches for an average groundstroke. I don't know the timings for pickleball but the paddle, lacking those trampoline-like strings, won't hold the ball nearly as long as a tennis racket will. So, something like 2 milliseconds and two inches would be a good guess. This makes it obvious that the ball has long since left the paddle before the follow though begins. Yet the follow through does influence the shot and it does so by allowing things to happen in the forward swing before contact with the ball. One of the things it facilitates is an easier low-to-high motion and it is this particular motion that imparts topspin on the ball. It may seem that the heavy pronation follow through (tennis players call it the windshield wiper motion) is directly imparting topspin but, in actuality, it is the low-to-high motion of the forward swing just before ball contact that is doing the trick.

[@mindright9771]

As a former tennis coach, your approach is absolutely on point. Granted the follow-through doesn't increase topspin because the contact with the ball is extremely short but it does help with consistency and muscle memory thus creating a dependable swing and service motion. Your "slice" service motion instruction is excellent. Love this channel. Keep up the good work.

[@Wannabecrafting247]

I love the music! Thank you for the great description on how to put a spin on the ball.

[@Harvmorbi]

I would have liked to see more examples in slow motion. Including close ups of what the ball does when it lands on your opponents side. As a film maker this means a little more work, but it makes for a better training video.

[@joelpolanco731]

This is just what I needed. Thank you!

[@Ke875]

Great Lession ! Thank you 🙏

[@thinkplanetearth2946]

Really good and clear explanation and visual of each. It would've been great to see the actual serve and how it landed on the other side to see the effect of each.

[@Ke875]

Great Lession ! Thank you !

[@ModestMa0ist]

gettin them subs. way to go dude.

[@larrysee7306]

Great explanation and excellent editing. I would question your stepping into the court after your serve-best to actually step back in anticipation of a deep return

[@shaynesummar]

Great vid bud!

[@steveganis8501]

Lefty me Followed your advice in my rec play w advanced beginners today, but the topspin serve kept going a foot long and chip serve went wide. Not sure how to adjust technique you show..

[@moasaad]

Excellent podcast! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@peterc.jordan2420]

Any ideas on a backhand serve a la Scott Moore?

[@richardlively4087]

here we go again - cliff working his magic to make me look WAY better than i really am! :-)

[@coachfezz1137]

Rich I started to use that hitchhiker tip from the other video for the backhand and its BOOM !

[@richardlively4087]

hey coach, so glad you found it helpful - it's definitely my 'go to' shot

[@cucabueno]

great video! I'm excited to try this out. Feedback: less music, pls...

[@lynnjensen2174]

"rolling over" the paddle does nothing to increase topspin. I see it as a bad habit that promotes inconsistency. It's fine if it occurs long after the hit, but then it's irrelevant. It just introduces inconsistency -- if the "rollover" motion is anywhere near the hitting zone, there will be drastic inconsistency. Just look at slow motions of the best pickleball, tennis, or table tennis players hitting big topspin -- they are brushing the ball with an upward motion, but keep the face square through impact. Any "rollover" motion is long after impact.

[@godgunsandgoldens]

I agree with your basic tenet but stopping the follow through takes more energy then just completing stroke all the way unless you are to close to net to do full stroke.

[@charleszook7873]

thank you... accurate in the fundamentals and detailed in the nuances...insightful, helpful, well done...more please

[@CliffPickleball]

@Charles Zook thank you for watching we have a lot more coming.

[@charleszook7873]

possible idea, you doing commentary on specific games or parts of games, to give insight as to the nuances you are seeing, priceless

[@coachfezz1137]

you guys are the best place to get better without all the BS its real to the point ideas thanks

[@MD-hk8xq]

geat examples...it's important with this serve not to make foot fault which I see in your examples you did half the time.

[@craigconway9930]

"aeroflight dynamics"

[@robinrobine8100]

Sorry, some of the top spin serves are illegal. The top of the paddle is above the wrist and the ball has to be off the paddle face before the top of the paddle is level with the wrist. Some of his serves were illegal. Also, the officials are not calling the illegal serves. One woman in the PPA about a week ago hit illegal serves most of the time. Paddle head was above the wrist and on top of the ball at release point.

[@wonderifthisistaken1]

until they add slow-mo in pickleball I think it'll stay uncalled. just hit it below your waist and in an upward motion and it will be a legal serve 99% of the time

[@mrbranson73]

It's only illegal if it's called. Otherwise shut ya yapper Mr know it all

[@guyrestivo]

@@mrbranson73 big words from behind a keyboard but some of us like to play by the rules...and everyone has a right to speak ...

[@alohahoward1]

That never occurred to me. Thanks for the observation.

[@LowDinksHijinxPickleball]

I don't want to defend the instructor here, because a lot of his advice about pronating the wrist and all that is in direct contradiction to what the pros say to do. But the key thing (with respect to wrist/paddle face) is that the paddle face is below the wrist at the moment the ball is struck. If you can show me a freeze frame where he breaks that rule, I'll eat my words, but his serves look totally legal to me.

[@alexjandernoa3953]

Love it

[@CliffPickleball]

@Alex Jandernoa Thanks for watching!

[@michaelstetzer3144]

Nice instruction

[@CliffPickleball]

Glad you liked it

[@godgunsandgoldens]

I don’t see the drop serve ever going away. It’s simple and really can’t be exploited by server without obvious intent.

[@reneastewart2436]

Thank you for the Great content and instruction! Only constructive feedback would be that It would be easier to focus on what you are saying without the music.

[@CliffPickleball]

Thanks for the tips!

[@rmonsipapa]

one other note, step back from the camera so we can see the whole swing, your so close that your entire lower arm is out of the frame so we can't see the paddle positioning, etc... Slow mo video on the court showing each serve example would be very helpful...

[@annmaes7550]

Drop serve is in for 2022!

[@stayready4fun]

Video tips: epic music and repeated cut scenes, of which some come in at the wrong time, are a bit distracting. When describing the cut serve, the clip that plays is of a guy doing a top spin serve.

[@coachfezz1137]

Rich How do you like that Electrum?

[@richardlively4087]

love it!!! as a former tennis pro, the spin i can generate with this paddle is unparalleled - it'll be interesting to see all the new models from other companies coming out copying this one

[@MarkNapartovich]

@@richardlively4087 all new Electrums are not as gritty even those they send for replacement

[@ChadBreece]

@@richardlively4087 what is it about the paddle that allows it to generate so much spin? I am currently using Engage Poach Icon...

[@richardlively4087]

@@MarkNapartovich yeah, i'm worried about that...

[@richardlively4087]

@@ChadBreece the grit on the face is just the best for generating spin; the rpm increase is fantastic, def not a paddle for racquetball players who prefer to hit a 'wristy' flat shot or slap shot, but def the paddle of choice for any table tennis or tennis player who capitalizes on spin

[@walliegirl2]

Pickleball serve is a thousand times easier than the tennis serve, which is so hard,

[@CliffPickleball]

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[@shaynesummar]

Can’t believe u didn’t show some epic LOBSter

[@candacezubricky5601]

Red waw

[@bbrick]

Is the serve at 6:42 a "foot fault"?

[@CliffPickleball]

@bbrick after you hit the ball you can touch the line.

[@bbrick]

@@CliffPickleball what I was questioning was whether the foot was above the baseline while the ball was still on the paddle and, if so, is that a foot fault. Or does the foot have to be touching the baseline to be a fault. Thanks. Enjoyed the video.

[@mtarosky]

Did you mean to step over the baseline on your opening serve in the video :)

[@richardlively4087]

i didn't know there were lines in PB! :-)

[@indyglf]

RH player in your video lands in the court on his right foot when serving. Seems counterintuitive to a tennis player.

[@igustingurahdeli7611]

Halo ...i am deli from Bali , Indonesia i want to paly pickleball want i can buy paddle and ball ....thanks

[@valeriesmith2829]

Amazon com

[@OrganicHealer]

2.5

[@mathewmccabe2658]

Super distracting music

[@afterthesmash]

As titled "Stop Doing This In Pickleball - Intermediate To Advanced" this is causing actual IQ damage, though it's still better than a children's book titled _Mein Campfood._ Nice tutorial on two intermediate serves, bound to a KZbin title fit to make grown men cry.

[@webstermiller7765]

This guy is confusing 'cause' and 'effect'. The follow through is the 'effect' of the motion before/during impact that 'caused' the spin. The follow through itself has zero 'effect' on the ball.

[@anger7556]

This comment is spot on and needs more attention. The danger of YT instruction - misinterpretation by the viewers. I see a lot of students roll the wrist at contact and the misses are in every direction as they try to correct the face but keep rolling the wrist. Like pronating after a serve in tennis, the follow through is a result of the swing through contact and the form assists the swing through the contact zone. Nothing more.

[@bucklau3933]

Not exactly sure what the title has anything to do with the video content. "Stop doing" what exactly?

[@sersta9008]

The epic music is not needed... Makes it hard to watch.

[@CliffPickleball]

@Sersta Thank you for watching and what would you suggest!?

[@sersta9008]

​@@CliffPickleball Honestly, no music at all.Video is great.

[@YourUltimateGod]

This sport is getting annoying they keep updating the rules tailoring for slow people.

[@dougpotter171]

A lot of talking but no real substance.

[@feistybastard]

🤮🤮

[@MarkNapartovich]

And don't forget to be at least 6 ft tall :)

[@richardlively4087]

ha ha, it does help! and of course generating power from the hips and not just the wrist

[@brianlane9534]

You cannot toss the ball in 2024.