Stop lying Hornady!

[@gunman-6646]

I always liked the core loct

[@larrybassett5559]

Nosler Partition, has worked since the late 1940's. Now if they would just get them back on the shelves. Thankfully I have a lifetime supply, and they have always been superbly accurate for me.

[@jefferywilliams7687]

It would be interesting to put an old Bronze Tip on a Nosler Partition. I just carry fine steel wool to keep the points cleaned up. They Never Fail.

[@foubert45]

Hornady ELX is the most overrated hunting bullet out there. Most hunters need a bonded bullet for big game or a copper bullet

[@lavanice]

Couldn't agree more. I love Barnes LRX & TTSX. Noslar ABLR is my fav too. But for Hornady if I need to choose i will pick interlock over ELDX and SST . Recently bought 286 grain Interlock SPRC for 9.3x62 as couldnt find in Barnes or Nosler but always hesitate to use them , looking to find 250 Grain Barnes TSX

[@rogerramjet7567]

Hornsby on targets 👍 varmints, 👍. Big and dangerous game, 👎. Partition bullets, while not target bullets, are totally superior to everything. For me personally, many elk, big brown bear, anything BIG, partition bullets are the very best. Period. 👍👍👍👍😀

[@jasonthomas8535]

I'll stick with my Speer HotCor bullets. They are just a really good cup and core bullet. Anything more needed, Nosler partician, all the way.

[@andrewcleveland]

The HotCor is a fantastic bullet. Shame you never hear much about them at all.

[@1fast10r]

You definitely can do long-range hunting with a monolithic bullet... You go light for caliber to keep your speeds up.. I have never had an issue with my .257wby with barnes ttsx or hornady gmx bullets. 3900fps with a 80gr ttsx allows you to reach out pretty far before you fall under the expansion threshold. . Same goes for my 300wby and 6.5-300wby... if you want to use copper make sure it's going fast. 127 grain lrx out of my 6.5-300wby will easily drop elk at 700+ yards..

[@bryanmassey6201]

I’m sure many others besides myself have noticed that when you look at the cutaway drawing of the Hornady ELD-X bullets you’ll notice that the Interlocking ring in the jacket that is designed to help prevent core jacket separations is too far forward on the shank of the bullets. In my opinion, it should be located lower inside the shank so that that when the bullet mushrooms on impact, and the jacket peels back it doesn’t distort to the point that it can no longer contain the core. I also think that the interlocking ring inside the jacket should be more pronounced and dig deeper into the core. I personally wouldn’t use ELD-X. Bullets on game larger than deer. I’d use Nosler Partitions and AccuBonds on the lager stuff. Austin, I think that 200Gr AccuBond you shoot in your excellent 300 Weatherby Magnum is and outstanding choice for a hunting bullet. Just my opinion.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

I hate to see Nosler drop the ball on availability and pricing of excellent bullets in the AB’s and partitions. I know partitions are not as accurate but they were/are the standard in hunting bullet performance. Accubonds are far better performing bullet on a consistent basis than the koolaide brand. I have hunted/shot/loaded AB’s for 25+ years with excellent results. Everybody has their choice and that’s what matters. I’m very high on Hammer Bullets. Thanks for the video!

[@diggernash1]

I've run 125 grain ABs in .300 blk and .308. So 2200 ish(16" bolt gun loaded hot) and 3200 ish. Deer die from both and they pass through. I'm happy with them and I'm even happier that I paid .15 apiece for 1000 of them several years back.

[@dustinemerson7828]

How do u like the hammer bullets I've got a sample pack coming for my 7mm

[@mopardoctor9966]

Nosler sent me emails offering free shipping on every bullet they didn’t have in stock.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

@@dustinemerson7828 easiest bullet to work up a load. Very accurate. My only concern at times is that I primarily hunt whitetails in Georgia and they are fairly thin skinned. Bullet may zip thru without leaving a blood trail that’s visible. Great company and very helpful. I would wish you good luck but you won’t need any luck. Let me know how it goes. Thanks

[@johnkaraphillis754]

@@dustinemerson7828 I’m shooting the 120HH in my 7-08 and 143HH in my .280AI.

[@Aaron-mn8gw]

I find it funny when people talk about shooting game with premium bullets then go on to say they use the ELDX. A rebranded match bullet. Backfire is one of these channels who goes on to bash the 6.5 CM and the 6.5 PRC, when in fact he should just switch bullets to increase their effectiveness when shooting game that's considered to be tough and large.

[@dallasnewson6977]

Exactly right. Shoot a bonded or copper out of those two cartridges and it's a completely different rifle.. Eldx is accurate but shite game bullwt

[@Mtpumpkinsman]

The one deer I shot with the eldx , not impressed and went immediately to another bullet. Personally love the Barnes ttsx, yeah long range maybe issues but under 400 yards, fantastic performance and have had great harvest success with those rounds.

[@The_Judge300]

The Barnes lrx bullets are great for longer ranges/lower bullet speeds. I highly recommend the lrx bullets for cartridges with rather low muzzle speeds or if you want to shoot animals past 300 yards with a faster cartridge. As an example for what I use myself, am I shooting a 120 grain ttsx bullet in my 6.5-06 for use out to 3-400 yards, but I am using a 127 grain lrx bullet in my softly loaded 6.5x55 Krag out to about 300 yards. I also have a load for the 6.5-06 with the 127 grain lrx bullet, but I really only use that when I go on an expensive trophy hunt and might take a 500 yard or more shot if needed to shoot the animal. Normally I prefer to keep my shots inside 300 yards and very often much shorter.

[@danielrobey1759]

I shoot a lot of Hornady bullets because of price and availability and I think in general their bullets are okay for deer hunting but honestly I have a lot more faith in the Speer Hotcore bullets holding together and penetrating deeper. After bad experience with deer hunting and 7mm ballistic tips I refuse to hunt edible game with them and since they evidently aren’t interested in selling partitions I don’t bother with them anymore… I guess I’m down to using Speer Hotcore bullets in my run of the mill rifles and for the “hot rod” cartridges and bigger game it’s Barnes ttsx, frankly I find that those are awesome in my 25/06AI…

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady has done very well at keeping up with demand. Can't say the same about Nosler...

[@nikos6220]

Sorry if I missed that in the video, but how exactly did you get that ELD-X you are showing. Was that shot at a water jug, gel, or did you get that out of game? Thx

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Water jugs. I know that it's a hard medium. But there are a lot of other videos out there showing it blow up in ballistics gel or on an animal.

[@nikos6220]

@@ReloadingWeatherby thx! That’s great because it’s a way more controllable set up. Frontline Rejects are doing tests like this at different speeds- their ELD-X results are quite similar. It seems that the core jacket separation happens more often at lower speeds wirh the ELD-X. To me that is unintuitive. Do you have an idea why that is and have you seen a similar tendency in your testing?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@nikos6220 It has a very thin jacket. It's a rebranded match bullet. It's still lethal... but it won't perform how Hornady says it will

[@nikos6220]

@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah, they are leaning into the marketing too much for my taste as well. I actually shoot the ELD-X in my 30-06. But I opted to handload the 200 grain @2515 ft/s to avoid some of the inherent weakness. Extremely effective so far

[@Charles_ONeal]

I love my Nosler Partitions. I admit they are not the most accurate bullet out there but work for my style of hunting.

[@alaskatruoutdoors9238]

Hornady’s Interbond was my go to in the 300 magnums for years. They hold together at over 3200 fps but still expand well down low. I’m all out and they can’t tell me if or when they’ll ever make more. Eldx is not a big game bullet by my standards.

[@wayne-oo]

How about the bigger problem, all of that lead in the meat of your animal ???

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That is not ideal

[@Accuracy1st]

I guess I'm lucky. I've never found any lead or bit into any with all my kills using lead core bullets. That said, I did immediately try the TSX when first available and then the TTSX, and then the Nosler E-tip. The latter shot the worst. My dad is an engineer and when I was telling him about the original Bares X bullet and its disappointing accuracy, his first comment was bullet surface area in the rifling with a solid copper bullet won't mix well or stabilize well, that they needed to lengthen the bullet to keep the same weight but fabricate relief grooves to allow for copper flow while getting hot. About 3 years later, TSX introduced. Your point is a good one and why I've primarily used Barnes bullets the last 23 years even though I have no personal experience with fragmented lead or copper in my venison

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Nosler Partition is all I'm gonna say.

[@nickjaydar]

I shot a deer with one of these at about 50 yards and the bullet ended up just like that, but the deer also died instantly. 6.5prc quartering away, the bullet stopped at the skin in the front left shoulder.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

The bullet is lethal... I just have issues with how Hornady saying it won't fall apart.

[@nickjaydar]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I totally agree with you I would say that I had even less bullet left over than you did. I was actually really worried that the bullets were bad hahaha

[@vicjones1179]

Your summation of the Hornady ELDX whether shot out of a 300 PRC or a 6.5 Creedmoor Your telling the folks the truth, great video.

[@Accuracy1st]

Best bullet for the money that makes a perfect mushroom that is a cup/core design I've seen is a 150 boat tail Speer in my first 270 rifle. Found it on offside skin, perfect broadside shot at 125 yards on my largest whitetail buck from Missouri in the mid 90s. Dropped him, just hit the rib area. I've considered just selling a lot of bullets I have on hand and going back to Speer. So hard to beat their prices and bullet performance

[@awsomedude12345678]

Yup ive had the same experience

[@andycronin6170]

We love the 100gr Speer BTSP. It seems to produce a "bulge" on the offside of deer, but never exit. Same performance every time.

[@14goldmedals]

Speer is usually the underdog but they still make Grand Slams and bonded hunting bullets too. Federal uses Speer bonded bullets in their Fusion line and they perform perfectly.

[@rockylavigna5977]

I get the same results in a 280 with 150 gr core loct, drops them right down so beyond impressive. Never had bullet seperation, always a pass through and the shock delivers a quick clean ethical kill. However no one will listen to you I have been told I am ignorant I don't even know I am using an outdated inferior cup and core bullet. I just shake my head in disbelief.

[@danielrobey1759]

I’ve not used the Speer btsp on game yet but I love the Hotcore bullets! I recently purchased a contender barrel in 25 bullberry improved and I intend to use the 100 gr Speer boat tail bullet, I think at those velocities (2400 fps at the muzzle) it will behave perfectly.

[@btmountaineer93]

You did forget to mention partitioned bullets such as the Nosler Partition, Swift A Frame, and the Speer one I can’t think of. The too perform well on big game. I 100% agree with you on the Hornady bullets for big game, but they are excellent target bullets. Also, the V-Max is second to none as a varmint bullet. Their prices are affordable too so that’s a plus. For big game, I’ll stick to swift, Barnes, or Nosler bullets. I mostly alpine hunt for Sheep and goats here in Alaska and like the bonded, high BC of the Nosler ABLR, but not because I take long shots at game, it really helps when shooting in the high winds you can get above tree line in coastal AK.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I love the Partition! Have the 130 gr loaded up in my 270 Winchester.

[@The_Judge300]

I like the Swift Scirocco II bullets a lot when I want to use a bonded high bc bullet. They are not great for very long shots as they tend to be to hard to expand well at low speeds, but they are great in short to mid range shots in windy conditions because of the high bc. Swift A-Frame is great for shorter shots when no high bc is needed. I have shot lots of animals with both bullets. I don't like the Nosler Partition much as I think they damage to much meat.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@The_Judge300 Have you tried Terminal Ascent?

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

For deer, I love the blow up. 150 SST's in my .308 hammer deer from 20-450 yards. They dont run off.👍

[@edgarlombera7066]

You know how in CA we’re limited to copper. Personally, It makes sense to get a magnum here to take advantage of the velocity so we can get reliable expansion up to 500yds if need be. Anything over 2800-2900fps regardless of cartridge, preferably 3100

[@CastIeBravo]

Every Hornady Interlock I’ve ever recovered suffered jacket-core separation. It’s a cheap and ineffective alternative to Remington’s mechanically-bonded Core-Lokt. Hornady wants you to believe that once the core gets to the Interlock ring, it’s dumped it’s energy and done it’s job, but that’s just not the case. It’s marketing hype. I wish they’d just be honest and not misrepresent their products. 4:44

[@WilhelmNauta]

Thanks for pointing out the Hornady lies. We’ve always known this to be the case.

[@GeneralObeseus]

Was wondering if you could do an episode on 7mm PRC vs 7mm Weatherby? compare modern vs old?

[@rex8958]

I’ve just found it crazy how much everyone shits on the SST yet they fanboy on the ELD-X, yet from all my testing and research they are damn near identical in performance, ignorance is bliss. I get around 55% (pretty much the same from 0-100yadds) retained weight with a 140gr SST in my 264 win mag, not terrible. I’ve taken 3 black bear and countless deer with the Nosler 150gr 270 ballistic tip. They are deadly as hell just have to put them in the right place, which is sometimes easier said then done

[@Accuracy1st]

Only experience I've witnessed with SST bullet was a buddy shooting a TX pronghorn with his 308 and 150gr SST. Took 5 shots. Each consecutive shot would not even penetrate the scapula. The killing shot was when he walked right up to the buck and shot it at 5 yards in the ribs. The hole in the shoulder area was torn up to about 8-9" shaped like a football. Meat was gone, just an undamaged bloody scapula exposed. I've also taken a large number of game with 270 Win and 150 Nos btips. In fact, I just loaded 300 of them for 3 rifles with H4350 and IMR4831 and we hit bone all the time, no issues

[@jfess1911]

Results with the SST are mixed and I suspect that there is significant variation from one size bullet to another. Many say they get nearly 100% fragmentation, but that is often with the relatively shorter bullets. The 140gr 264 bullet is relatively long and that seems to prevent complete fragmentation. The ELD-X is just a refinement of the SST. The both have a plastic tip and thin jacket at the front, then the jacket gets thicker towards the rear which has an interlock ring. The big difference is that the ELD-X is a little more extreme, ie thinner up front, thicker in back.

[@andycronin6170]

I've had nothing but success with the SSTs.. people say it's frangible. Yes, but not like a damn vmax... The SST is literally an Interlock bullet with a plastic tip. Yes it sheds weight, that's part of what it should do, but it's energy is dumped and it's devastating in my experience.

[@alexclarke3534]

@@Accuracy1stI myself had 2 experiences just like that. shot a 4 year old short horn in the head 4 times with 30cal 165grain SSTs from 30m and it still just bucked and tried to run. Lucky a mate had his 308 with 150 soft points, dropped it instantly. The other time was even worse I won’t even go there. Accubond’s or woodleigh PSP’s are awesome but cost a heap. To be honest factory federal powershoks are good value, available everywhere, and have never let me down either. Cheers

[@rex8958]

@@Accuracy1st I’ve been looking like crazy for more of the 150 bts with no luck. Only have 30 rounds left, luckily it’s not my only rifle but when I find them I’m buying atleast 200 bullets

[@tlloyd9325]

After contacting Barnes, they told me a minimum of 1600fps for upset. That’s what I’m thinking about when I set up my max range to shoot at.

[@craiglafosse8086]

Im shooting the 130gr federal fusions and 150gr ABLR out of my 270 winchester. My gun loves them and man do they pack a punch. I do like the hornady SST bullets in 300 blackout for hogs and the 12ga SST sabot slugs for my primitive season in a single shot. I like hornady they do make good stuff but if i was choosing one for big game i would go with the CX bullet

[@jefferywilliams7687]

Skipped over the Partition, A-Frame, and Swift Scirocco II. I have never seen a Partition or A-Frame fail. I think the SST is a great bullet for thin skinned game and varmints.

[@jaciemiller7927]

Shot an elk in 2019 at 400yds with the 7mm RM 162 ELD-X. The first shot went into the upper arm bone, the hit broke the bone and stopped the bull for a second shot. When I butchered the animal, I found the jacket of the first hit in the arm bone fracture, no core! The second hit (in the lungs) separated as well... I wont be using ELD-X on any animal that I need to be able to possibly penetrate "structure".

[@Accuracy1st]

Just a thought, but to all my fellow hunters and shooters, if most of us are filling tags inside of 300-350 yards, which, I definitely am, and for me, more like 200 and under in most cases, it can be a bit difficult to justify any higher dollar bullet in any caliber with a few exceptions such as state laws indicating no lead core bullets, or you don't want to have lead sprinkles along side your salt and pepper on your deer burgers. I waver on my decisions often when I'm spending money on ammo or reloading bullets. On one hand I say, get what works, get what you know, get what you've experienced, cost doesn't matter, you have proven-repeatable loads....and then I say, you never shoot too far and definitely beyond 400 yards is rare, just buy good old Speer bullets or similar, like Sierras. They've just been great for me, much cheaper and kill the same. I loaded some 150 Ballistic tips not long ago for 3 270 Win rifles. I've had them on hand since I worked in a gun store in Tucson in 1992 back when btips came in a box per 100 at $23.95 not including my robust discount. No clue what I actually paid. Now a box of 50 is $33 at Cabelas. A box of 100 Speer 150 boat tails is $27 and in my experience not one deer died any differently and I get great accuracy. Moreover, even the experienced techs at Sierra will tell you, inside of 300 yards, flat based bullets are typically more accurate so no advantage to boat tail design until you shoot beyond 300 unless you just like the ease of seating boat tails. The premise, as told to me by Nosler years ago, regarding the plastic tips, was to improve consistency with BC and accuracy, and I believe it does vs an exposed lead tip but again, inside most common shooting distances, I don't think it matters

[@gregoryminniear8184]

We live in the straight wall rifle areas. I have shot hornady for years in muzzloders,44,450. Only found 2 bullets. 1 450. Bullets have done the job from point black 200 yard on large Whittails would not flinch to shoot a moose or elk with the same load. It’s all on averages can you have a bullet failure yes. But I have photos to prove that I killed a 4 inch tree 3 as big as your thumb and still dropped the deer. 300 grain ftx. 1 of the bullets we did recover. I do agree they need more accurate marketing. Just because ppl have shot elk with a 6.5 C. Doesn’t mean you should.

[@jackbruce309]

I'm over their lying with the 7mm PRC.. its the most bullshit cartridge ever.. their numbers don't match what is actually being achieved.. its already loaded at Max from factory and it only just beats the factory rem mag.. so if I hand load the 7RM I can beat it quite easily

[@Matt-np2mw]

I shot a 650 pound deer with a 7mm08 150 grain eldx, and everything you mentioned was correct. At 70 yards the projectile completely fragmented and a very quick kill. Great video

[@kansasscout4322]

650lbs deer. Yeah right

[@The_Judge300]

Just a comment when it comes to what you say about monolithic bullets and expansion at longer ranges/slower speeds. This is true for most monolithic bullets, but not for the Barnes LRX bullet. It expends very well at rather low speeds. They claim that the expansion threshold for the bullet is 1600 fps, and even if the expansion might not be very good at that speed, is the expansion good at 1800 fps. That means when shooting with the Barnes Vor-Tx Long Range load with that bullet in 6.5 Creedmoor, you will still get good expansion out to about 600 yards and even out to 725 yards if you trust what Barnes say about the expansion threshold. No matter what Vor-Tx Long Range factory load there is, you will always get great penetration out to at least 500 yards. And that is further than what 99% of all hunters should even consider to shoot at an animal at in my opinion. The LRX bullet works also very well at high speed at short distances and you will always get good penetration. You might in some situations lose a petal or 2 if a hard bone is hit, but the rest will ensure good penetration and a clean kill.

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

You are correct in your video Hornady ELDX and SST both are highly accurate but are better for coyote hunting and paper punching I would not even hunt deer with them

[@doghousedon1]

I think the ELD-X would be an excellent bullet to use in Wyoming on speed goats. But they tend to blow up on me, and I don't have any good recipes for bloodshot meat with lead particles through it.

[@JonRangel87]

If you want a long range bullet that doesn’t fall apart, the terminal accent is your best friend

[@The_Judge300]

I have stopped using Hornady bullets and ammo for hunting a long time ago. Me and some friends always buy a package or two of ammo when they come with something new to test it, but we always decide to never use it while hunting, unless it is for shooting varmints. They never disappoint when it comes to making disappointing ammo for hunting. If I was to shoot animals at 700 yards or more, I would for sure use some of their ammo, but that is not that kind of hunter I am, so I have never ended up buying more than a 20 cartridge test package when they come with something new. I doubt I will even do that anymore, as they will most likely continue to come with similar disappointing ammo next time they make something new. The only Hornady ammo I buy for more than testing, is their 17 HMR ammo.

[@tomaszpaluszkiewicz3189]

Great video.... I agree with u..... Every each hornady bullet comes apart amd makes huge meat damage....

[@tomaszpaluszkiewicz3189]

Apologize... There is one I like .... 20grain XTP in 17hmr... Norma Oryx or Sako Super hammerhead for me....

[@gerry6.8]

I don't like Hornady because of the Clot shot fiasco but their bullets are available and more affordable than Nosler unfortunately. I do like the Ballistic Tip for deer sized game, specifically the 120 and 140 gr from our 260 and 6.5x55 and the 270 Win with the 150 gr. My experience so far with those three are reasonable wound channels with about a 1-1.5" exit hole. Honestly I would use them on bigger game too. I don't mind core separation on deer since by the time it happens, if at all it's into the lungs. Love the Speer GS bullets too, excellent on game at normal ranges and they are priced well.

[@johnnymccann5607]

I've reloaded many calibers in 44years reloaded many different brands.i mostly rifle hunted with Hornaday sps flat back and boat tail and same style with serra. where i live serra bullets are limited and expensive. serra i believe the best hunting bullets made. outher brands i weigh each bullet to match weight. i finely quite weighing serra .i would weigh boxs and they were so close they were all ready matched.the serra bullets i retrieved from game were more consistent in expansion, retained weight, than most any all outher brands. it's a brand hard to beat.papa wishing you well 😊

[@The_Judge300]

I have used the Ballistic Tip bullets a lot and it is really a great bullet, but you need to know it's limitations and not take shots that this bullet is not good for. And Nosler are totally honest about it and tells people about the limitations. The ELDX is also a great bullet for really long range hunting if that is a hunter's cup of tea, but it is for sure not a great bullet for inside 100 yards in most cartridges and not even good for inside 200 yards in some really fast cartridges. And the huge problem with it, is that Hornady lies about this, and claim it is great for these short shots and these are lies that result in gutted hunters and wounded animals.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

I, too, bemoan the unfortunate loss of the Hornady Interbond. As a true bonded bullet, I always thought it would have made a better base for the ELD-X than the SST. I've used the 178 gr ELD-X in .308 Win Hornady Precision Hunter, out of 18 and 20 inch AR-10s for a couple years. It shoots well under MOA from the bench. I've shot several deer with it, all within 100 yards, and like you, I am skeptical of its ability to take bigger game. Nothing I have shot has taken a single step because I've taken shoulder shots, but I've lost a lot of meat to this bullet coming apart, which is discouraging given a modest impact velocity around 2400 fps. I do get exit wounds, large ones, but with as much core and jacket I find in the animal, I don't know how much can be exiting the animal or how much bigger of an animal it would exit from.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

As hunters: bare MIN is the cup and core. So everything else is better and prefered cuz u never know when u have to/will punch through a shoulder

[@texpatriot8462]

I have shot deer at less than 100yds using both the ELD-X and Nosler BT with my 6"5CM. Both times, I got pass throughs and a dead deer that didn't go far. I would not hesitate to use either bullet at short range on a Texas Whitetail deer. But, if I draw a Nilgai public lands permit, my 280AI will have a monolithic or a bonded bullets loaded in it. I always want a blood trail.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Ive even had jacket sep on an interlock at 300 yards. So def gunna happen on an cup and core

[@frankkee8709]

Nosler partition!! Pop flop done

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Love the Nosler Partition

[@jackwagon1798]

"Blows up", you have no idea about terminal ballistics.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

🙄🙄🙄 Living up to your KZbin name.

[@kansasscout4322]

Just one sample is not scientifically valid to draw conclusions with. Sloppy work. Do better.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

There are plenty of examples on KZbin of the ELD-X falling apart.

[@kansasscout4322]

Using the word "Lies" is BS. Its childish school yard talk.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I literally showed you how Hornady lied/lies. Stop being so butt hurt.

[@markcarew6724]

Another interesting issue emerged recently with both the ELD-x and ELD-m bullets at the range. 2 out of 15 of the 147 grain and 6 out of 20 of the 143 grain bullets didn't make it to the target at 300 yards. The rifle is a 6.5x284 with a 1 in 7.5 twist and 32" barrel. I think the jackets are too thin and as a result are coming apart in flight.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Interesting...

[@benjaminhurt8280]

What’s your velocity? It might be more than they can handle.

[@jfess1911]

The made the front of the jacket thinner than on the SST to allow it to mushroom at a lower velocity. That might have made it less tolerant of high spin rates.

[@markcarew6724]

@@benjaminhurt8280 The velocity is high, as it is a 6.5x284 in a 32" barrel, but not the highest one could achieve in 6.5 mm caliber.

[@jerrymartin5100]

Nosler Partition is my go to bullet.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Great job great information well needed information for Alot of people. I found those federal terminal accent few years ago and never looked back. Bonded are the way to go for sure. Even on deer. I got big deer up north 300lbs the big bucks get to uo here. Those cup n core are terrible at pennetration even close up. Ill never use em again

[@gkhuntertrapper2738]

CX 👍

[@eduardoolaechea]

Core lokt, deadliest mushroom in the woods.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@cabochris100]

Hornady also exaggerates their SST. Just read what they say about it!😮

[@rickycrazyhunter8530]

I have used a lot of hornady bullets over the years and still do to an extent. They have been everything I needed them to be, but so have other brands. Years ago I jumped on the Combined Technology components. Accurate and reliable in many of my rifles. So when I happened to get a chance at a grizzly bear, I took my 30-378 and headed out. My load was a 180gr Ballistic Tip at around 3300 fps. Probably not the best choice of bullets for grizzly, but when the time came, one shot at about 125yrds, through the shoulder just above the joint and he expired in about 3 seconds. The point of this rambling is that I have used all sorts of bullets, some less than ideal for a situation and the vast majority seem to fill my tags. Ironically the worst performance I have ever had was out of a 30-30. The bullet never expanded at all and just rumpled the nose enough to bend the jacket. It was on a big bodied whitetail at about 10 yards. Go figure 🤔

[@pikeman0357]

In my 40 years of hunting for deer I've killed deer out to 400 yards with a 150 gr. Rem corelokt...never came apart never failed to mushroom

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@kansasscout4322]

Cup and core bullets (Corelokt) has taken (Millions)? Hundreds of thousand deer, elk and moose. Success is its own proof. You lost credibility here. A lot

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Where did I say cup and core bullets haven't killed the most animals?

[@christophertate6453]

I had to shoot a 160 lb 3 1/2 yr old 8pt from Kisatchie National Forest in Louisiana 3 times at 80 yds using Hornady 6.5CM 143gr ELD-X. 1st shot broadside center-shoulder. Buck fell in tracks but immediately got up & on a slow hobble heading dead away from me, I put a 2nd shot in the lower rear to break the pelvic. Buck again went down & got up again. On a slow hobble/walk, the buck stopped at approx 90-95 yds & turned broadside, my 3rd shot I wanted to get the buck diwn & keep him down, so I went for a high shoulder shot & it worked. When skinning the buck, I found all 6 pieces of the 3 bullets. All 3 bullets had lead/jacket seperation. In all 3 shot: 2 to the shoulder & 1 in the rear, all 3 jackets were 3" in, while all 3 lead cores were found just 5" farther in. Not one pass-thru. Worse, the buck only traveled approx 15 yds from 1st shot to 3rd shot, without a single drop of blood, except where it expired after the 3rd shot. However, on the 2nd shot which was in the rear, I did find a few strands of hair, but no blood. This was an afternoon hunt. That morning, I shot a big doe at 28 yds center-shoulder & dropped her like a sack of potatoes. She spun around & pushed with her back legs til I couldn't see her anymore, approx 100yds. Both front shoulders were out of commision & broken. I shot her with Hornady 308 178gr ELD-X. Without a single drop of blood on the ground, I tracked tha doe for approx 200yds & eventually lost her where a tornado had down a lot of trees. Again, I found lots a deer hair where I shot her, but not a single drop of blood. Im a very extremely good tracker & rarely loose a deer. I spent 3 hrs tracking that big doe, but came up empty. That was the 1st day I've shot ELD-X bullets in 308 & 6.5CM at whitetails. I'm a Winchester Power-Point guy. Shot well over 100 deer/hogs & never lost one. Plus, always had clean pass-thru's to follow extremely good blood on the ground. I went back to the Winchester Power Points. Power Points may not be as accurate as the ELD-X, but at least I know I'll find my game.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for sharing.

[@cabochris100]

Hi, I know you'll read this.... take a 300 Weatherby, 300 RUM, or 28 Nosler. Now, in the past I've leaned towards, say a 300 yards bullseye, and knowing my drops out to 500 or 600 yards, for big game hunting. I.E., right on the Weatherby box it shows drops out to 500 with a 300 bull. This seems pretty forward and quick, to make possible shots out there, in perfect conditions, knowing the range. My question is, would using a quality dial up scope, like a Leupold HD5, be a better way? Either way one must know the dope, but because I'm hunting, keeping shot distance ethics in mind, I question the use of a dial-up scope? What are your thoughts on this? I've made long needed shots, 400 and 500 yards using plain 3-9 scopes, but am wondering if adjustable scopes are really a better choice for the occasional longer shot? By that I mean, one day the Bull elk of my dreams stands broadside out there at 500 yards. I wouldn't want to pass. Also, your thoughts on barrel lengths and muzzle breaks adding 2 inches/noise which I despise. You might do a vid on these topics. Thanks.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

With those high velocity magnums you could sight your load in for 200 or 300 yards and just hold over a little bit and you're all set. If you plan to shoot past 500 you would want a turret to dial

[@thomashaley7657]

Nosler Accubound is a great bullet! But I'd rather spend my money on Winchester Power Max bonded ammo. Say what you want about it, but it's a beast! I just wish that it was more readily available.

[@barrymantei7795]

I think the power max bonded ammo has been discontinued

[@Wheelchair-bear]

Crap! I just bought 200 eldx for my 300 Weatherby, that was the only 30 caliber they had, I should have waited for some TTSX. I have had great luck with the old inter bond in the past on elk and mule deer.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It will still kill the animal. You will just have some meat damage

[@stevemarshall7689]

I've had great luck with the Eldx on bull elk,mule deer buck and a whitetail buck in 6.5 prc your 300 with eldx will definately work. the bull was shot at 65 yds and folded like a duck. The bullet made it to the hide on the far side after going through close side shoulder blade, a rib, through front of both lungs , far side shoulder blade and stopped on the inside of the hide works for me I,m a huge fan of Nosler accubonds but the hornady eldx was availale when i bought the rifle so i have stuck with it so far

[@Wheelchair-bear]

You are right, I shouldn't worry, I also shot my biggest Whitetail buck with ELDX 6.5 PRC. Most of my kills have been out past 250 yards.

[@bradenhickman9154]

I have also had bad experiences with hornady bullets, I shot a 200 pound boat hog at 45 yards with a 300 win mag( overkill I know )and I was shooting a 150 grain interlock and it practically blew up, the hog dropped in his tracks but zero blood loss and hardly zero penetration

[@roadkillanonymous4807]

Not to be fault finding but that’s gonna happen with any basic 150 grain soft point

[@edwardabrams4972]

In my short 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles I have found Nosler makes the best non all copper bullets and over all reasonable hunting ranges,even in magnum calibers which can not be said for Hornaday bullets! End of story!

[@justinturdeau2383]

The ELD-X is nothing more than a dressed up SST and pure marketing. They suck as bad as the standard grenade SST.

[@keithbelz2952]

I've killed deer with the sst many as a matter of fact back when the sst first came out,,they work great ,,you just can't run them fast, 2800 at the muzzle for 30-06 is about all they want

[@jfess1911]

The ELD-X is just a refinement of the SST... and designed to lose a lot of lead. They thinned the front of the jacket and fooled around with the front of the core and plastic tip to allow it to mushroom at slightly lower velocity (closer to 1,300 fps than 2,000). They also thickened the base a little in an attempt to make it stay together at higher impact velocities. The ELD-X's do seem to work at lower velocities than the SSTs, but like this video shows, there are still some issues at higher speeds.

[@stevemarshall7689]

@@jfess1911 Shot a bull elk last fall with great results at 65 yds with the eldx through both shoulder blades and a rib and stuck in the hide on the far side the bull droped in its tracks this was just a little 143 grain out of a 6.5 prc the bucks i've shot also dropped quickly with pass through on one and far side hide on the other at 200 yds...works for me

[@jfess1911]

@@stevemarshall7689 It is interesting, the hunting experiences with the ELD-X bullets vary a great deal. I have seen the word "grenade" used fairly often. It is possible that certain bullets like the 143 you used are more consistent. With the SST's for example, the 140gr 6.5 also didn't seem to fragment as much as some SST's. I'm glad you have had good luck.

[@bigracer3867]

Unless a super duper target shooter. All this one bullet company against another is just bs. Chose the right projectile for the job folks. Unless dangerous game. Solids. The end

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It's the summer... not a lot to talk about

[@thomasgradine9433]

They made it. They have to sell it. So they’ll market it any way that they can to achieve the sales. I shot a whitetail a couple years ago. First hunt trying out my new 300 PRC. About 120 yard shot and it blew the heart apart. However on the opposite side it shattered a section of rib cage the size of a grapefruit or a little larger. And left an exit hole the size of a quarter below the shoulder. Now where the ribs were destroyed no exit holes through the hide in that area. I think the core blew apart and the small exit holes was from what was left of the jacket. Never saw a bullet act like that before. These are more target bullets being sold as game bullets. When I find a good load for my 300 in accubonds, accubond LR or Barnes LRX, Hunter Hammer tipped etc I’m going to hunt with that and drop the eldx. Only reason I have the eldx is it was the only factory “hunting” load you could get then.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That's the problem with the 300 PRC factory ammo. If you don't like the ELD-X or it doesn't shoot well in your rifle....

[@SteveM0732]

I don't think of Hornady (or Sierra) as a hunting bullet company. For that you need Nosler or some bonded Speer bullets. The ELD-X is a poor choice for many hunting situations, but might make sense for a military sniper.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting!

[@jdg5682]

I see what you say but I have shot many larger animals like koedoe with eldx and they all died rapidly with one quartering towards me and the bullet penetrateted well, 178 gr eldx at around 2780 mv on my 30.06. I think when you use a small calibre you should not use eldx but anything over 160 gr bullet going at good speed will kill almost anything. I know people who shoot eland with eldms and nosler custom comps in 308 and 300 win with bullets exiting the animal or at least deep penetration. Another thing to keep in mind, in SA atleast, eldx go for about half the price that any bonded bullets go for that I know of, it is also alwayse available. If you hunt with it at close range you must just keep in mind that its a soft bullet and to try not to shoot into the femur

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

The bullet still kills. Just false advertising by Hornady

[@michaelchen8643]

I’ve been strictly a very short range, Hunter, like with the 20 to 60 yard range in heavy Woodland East Coast I may encounter a black bear, but not necessarily looking for one mostly what I encounter Whitetail deer So the kind of bullet construction and white retention with large old animals with sinews and muscle is not something I’m going to encounter This has been an education for me your video

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@roadkillanonymous4807]

I have no interest in the eld x. It’s trying to be two things (a soft violent long range capable hunting bullet and a shoulder busting close range tough bullet) and fails to be either. The closest thing to an all range all game hunting bullet is the federal trophy bonded tip and newer edge tlr, in my opinion. For true long range work the ELD M is awesome, it comes right apart and all kinds of damage even at low velocity. The eld x is a compromise that doesn’t impress me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@gbett6835]

here's my issue, where can I buy something other than a hornady product on a regular basis? nosler are twice the price if you can find them and no issue with the eld-x getting the job done.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Very true

[@ronlowney4700]

🤣 Since Horneday Did A Podcast This Morning On Bullets, I Referred Them To Your Video! 😜

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Oh boy haha

[@ronlowney4700]

🤣

[@ronlowney4700]

😋 Oh, apparently I can't post comments on Weatherby's Website Now? 🤷‍♂️ Is it Because Of What I Said About Their 257 WBY Magnum in comparison to the 270 Winchester? 🤣 This is What I tried to post, in response to our recieved comments this morning 🕵️‍♂️ (pretty soon these companies will start banning You too Austin, for pointing out the Truth):

[@ronlowney4700]

🧐 I thought you might give your input, since you actually own a 257 WBY? 😯 Your Thoughts??? 🤷‍♂️ The Comparison was using a 110 grain bullet out of each! 🔥

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@ronlowney4700 Which comparison? 110 gr from a 257 WBY and a 110 gr from a 270 Win?

[@MrRourk]

The blowup bullet requires a rethink in hunting. Most of the hunters I know that use them to great success are going for spine or neck shots exclusively. They are harvesting with these tactics.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Not my preferred method.

[@Pew_pewchronicles]

Hornady are the masters of marketing that’s why all of their cartridges are so successful but you gotta take it with a grain of salt

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Not all of the cartridges are hits... 300 RCM, 338 RCM and a few others are all but dead

[@jameswilson5562]

Spot on good video

[@robbiecarswell4566]

Ah, not what I was wanting to see or read. Just bought a box of .277 eld-x bullet heads to load develope for my .270win 😬

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Bullet will still kill

[@texpatriot8462]

What are you hunting with it? For deer, they are essentially a streamlined version of all the soft point cup/core bullets that people have killed deer with for probably 100 years.

[@chad58103]

Agreed. I've had much better luck with the SSTs, which have respectable BCs as well.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertoaragon1506]

Great video

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@ChronicalsofAl]

6.5 creed ammo pretty well universally manufactured by everyone as àre rifles chambered in the caliber. Did you mean 6.5 PRC?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Huh?

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Unless I heard you wrong {which is entirely possible) near the. End of the video you said that 6.5 creedmore was Hornady s cartridge, I'm asking if you meant 6.5 PRC?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@alexmoore8395 Oh... they both are made from Hornady

[@philipsteele5704]

I still love the bonded bullets for almost all game hunting!

[@ForestryTrunkRoad]

Monolithics don't have any separation due to one material. I'd rather the penetration addition and continuous destruction through anything it hits. I think most hunters take shots at moderate ranges, at best 300m ( i know some people constantly hunt above that). At 300m and in the velocity is at safe value for expansion with most modern hunting cartridge. If you hit softer tissue, it expands. If you hit bone, it expands. If you have an aggressive quarter or frontal shot, it expands and keeps driving. Any inadequatcies in the shot due to my input can be overcome with a tough hard driving bullet. Lead free, tough, and consistent. For reference I hunting In Alberta Canada, a very environmentally diverse place. Rolling plains, wooded foothills, rugged mountain, and boreal swamps. With very little effort the average dedicated hunter can encounter shots from 50m up too 500m in short order. I also hunt with very generic cartridges 308 Win for the woods and swamps and 300 Win Mag for the plains and mountains. From antalope and whitetail to elk and brown bear

[@14goldmedals]

Well summed up friend. I'm another Alberta hunter in the Northern half of the province. Hunted my home province since 1980. Why go anywhere else? Flat prairie to boreal forrest and right up to the Rocky Mountains Eastern Slopes. We've got it all.

[@ForestryTrunkRoad]

Nice, I got a bull Moose for Red Earth, bull Elk just west of Peace River, and Mule doe in Smoky Lake. All on zero points... don't see that every year. Probably shoot 300 all year. A 165 TTSX cruising at 3100fps, a good remedy for everything Albertan.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Love the video , you are spot on! Now that we agree thete is one issue I have. Availability. Hornady seems to be more available to reloaders than the other brands. Theredore I buy more hornady. Not because they are better. But because boone and crocket steel and paper need to be pewed.

[@hopefulballistics]

ELDX definitely comes apart at close range. It might kill at all ranges, but it doesn’t hold together.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep

[@davhuf3496]

Good info!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks!

[@callmecamo2]

I've had excellent results from Hornady SST's. Been trying to get away from lead bullets for hunting food animals, though.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hammer and Barnes make great bullets

[@tomlarue654]

I shot a big doe with a 6.5 CR with a ELDX at about 150 yards. It really tore the deer up. I believe the bullet just exploded.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Sounds about right

[@tomlarue654]

Nosler ballistic tips hold together quite a bit better than the ELDXs in my opinion.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@philrizzo]

I’ll bet you a heap the Nosler is easier to make group and just as consistent after the load is found

[@couespursuit7350]

So where was the lead core from that 30 cal bullet you showed on the scale?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Couldn't find it

[@couespursuit7350]

@@ReloadingWeatherby As in exited and was gone? Or as in ended up in the carrcas somewhere? BTW where was the copper cup found?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@couespursuit7350 Here is the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJvSlYenbLacn68 I know what you're going to say... water is too hard of a medium. There are plenty of other videos showing it fall apart in ballistic gel and on game

[@jmgates09]

Ive wondered what happened to the interbond bullet haven't seen any in shit probably 6 or 7 years maybe more than that

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady has gone all in on the ELD-X. They cut it out because bonded bullets are harder to develop ammo for

[@jmgates09]

Can't hate on that then cause they raking in the money with ELDX &M plus they are very accurate bullets but hate to see Interbond go

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

I like the ELD bullets but I’m only shooting whitetail deer. They seem to be easy to get to shoot well and I have not had that luck with nosler. I would like to see Sierra bring up production and introduce a bonded bullet I believe that’s what the ‘game changer ‘ should have been. Lose a little of the bc and get an ojive that lends itself to easier to stabilize like the matchking line. I guess they are to busy trying to catch up on back orders so no need to improve anything yet. I would prefer a non tipped version because of the extra length it adds. So I’m waiting for Speer gold dots to come back in stock. If you’re looking for a tough hunting bullet I don’t think they can be beat.

[@jmgates09]

Same here the eldx and m have worked great on deer for me has laid em down every time

[@WayStedYou]

Hornady are master marketers. They resold the 6.5 creedmoor from the 260 remington and somehow convinced people ftx tipped 225 gn 44 magnum with lower B.C had a higher B.C than their regular XTP 240 grain.

[@cw2a]

Good stuff Austin!!❤❤ I like those Accubonds and of coarse Partitions, A-Frames and Trophy Bonded bear claws. But one that really impresses is the Federal premium terminal ascent. It combines the best atributes of all todays best bullets. A solid copper shank and cup n core nose thats also bonded! All with a hard plastic tip for hi BC numbers. Allow for a bullet that can expand at slow yet hold good weight numbers at high speeds! ELDX and ELDM are both paper or virmin bullets for me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I still have the Terminal Ascent in 30-06. I have a friend that has a very accurate 30-06. Going to give the box of ammo to him.

[@cw2a]

@@ReloadingWeatherby American Reloading is where I have gotten a bunch. Look @ Premium pulled bullets.

[@colbydavis6873]

My brother in law won’t use eldx because it shot like a full metal jacket. 6 shots in about 2 minutes on a mule deer 150-200 yards from first shot to last. Used a 6.5 creedmoore 24 inch barrel factory ammunition. When he finally got the deer skinned out 5 shots straight through the ribs last one on the spine put it down.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤯 If You Think That Those Bullets Are Bad, You Should See The Burgers! I wouldn't use them on a coyote, because they disintegrate so bad! 💥 I publicly called Them and Federal out on this and they changed the box and are now calling it an "Elk Bullet"! What a Bunch of 🐃💩! 🤥🤥🤥

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Berger is at least honest about how their bullet performs. But I wouldn't use a Berger bullet either

[@ronlowney4700]

☹ Honesty Is Something That Alot Of Companies Are Lacking These Days! So too the " Hunters" that are using their products and thinking that they are some kind of "World Class Shooter/Athlete"! 🙃

[@Accuracy1st]

270 Win, 150 Berger VLD, H4831SC, 1x fired WW brass, Fed210M primer, seated 10 thousandths from lands, 3010fps, 24" Krieger, 24" Broughton, 24" factory Tikka - roughly 20 whitetail kills, no failures, no fragments or bullets recovered, all pass through from 3-4 yards under my stand to 340 yards 7mmRemMag, 168 Berger VLD, Retumbo, 1x fired WW brass, Fed215M primer, seated 10 thousands from lands, 3015-ish fps, 26" Krieger barrel - first and only longest kill shot biggest mule deer buck for me scored 202", 2019 Colorado, dropped him, a few Alabama whitetails from 50 to 220 yards. Recovered mushroomed bullet in the mule deer Bergers have worked so well for me I've loaded the 140 grain for my 6.5-284 Norma this season - Lapua brass, Fed210 primer, full case of Retumbo, brand new rifle build by Dave Bruno in Dayton, PA: McMillan stock, Jewel trigger, 24" Brux #3 4 groove, Defiance GA Hunter action, Nightforce scope, lucky to get 1/4 MOA to one hole groups of 3. Like the Nosler btips and original Sciroccos, I've heard impressive stories in a negative way. I personally never had any issues with btips but only shot the Sciroco IIs and no issues there either. In fact my first 2 tags filled with Sciroccos were black bears at close range in Alberta - 30.06, 180 grain. As for Bergers, oddly, nothing but outstanding results and lots of meat have been my outcomes

[@stevemarshall7689]

I've had excellent results with the Eldx on Elk, mule deer and whitetails I'm not saying that its the best bullet for elk but it definately worked for me

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 That Text Above is What I Sent Hopefull Ballistics This Morning! 😃

[@tacticalmattfoley]

They could make a Frankenstein bullet like you're discussing, but it would cost a fortune. Some kind of multiple chambered/partitioned bullet with an exotic alloy would produce a "magic bullet".

[@andycronin6170]

So one bullet that you extracted from a DEAD critter separated and you decide that's the result you can count on every time? I've got samples of the ELDX mushroomed and I recovered 60-65% of the weight. A 150 eldx from a 7 Rem Mag through an elk and recovered on the off side shoulder. And a few 90gr ELDx recovered from deer. You have fell victim to insufficient sampling. Do some research and every bullet company has produced individual bullets that didn't perform as described.

[@countercivilization]

Just a warning as a long range bullet the ELDX cut off point is not 1600fps but rather 1800fps at a push... because the ELDX jacket is on the thicker side it is definitely not frangible enough at lower velocity. Gel block is one thing reality an other...you will need to at least strike a bone to open up at 1600fps... It's a good bullet but Hornady marketing had to trompet everywhere it's a do it all best of the best... For example a 150 ELDX at 2700fps from a 7-08: 1800fps is 600 yards energy 1130 1600fps is 800 yards energy 850 It's pretty good on paper but the energy is not enough to open up the thick jacket...it has been done.