STOP playing these pieces if you're self-taught

[@manuelcasarespiano]

OMG, this comment section blew up. I can't believe I have to clarify this, but in case you are amateur/self-taught and you didn't get the message of the video, I created it with my best intention to spare you many of the injuries and frustrations that I've unfortunately seen in many aspiring pianists through the years. If you still disregard my advice and try these pieces out, at least please make sure you're not getting hurt making the specific common mistakes I point out for each piece. I'm literally offering free 1-on-1 feedback and advice in my Discord server, so this is how much I care for you guys. No intent to be "elitist" or to "gatekeep". I don't want you to get hurt, that's all. Peace ✌

[@masdaff1943]

@@manuelcasarespiano Thank you for spoon feeding spoons basically. I can’t believe that you have to break down the video even further for certain people to understand that all you want out of this is for people to grasp that although they CAN reach the piece they’re trying to reach, they should do so while adhering with proper technique and practice not just racing to finish the piece. I’ve been self taught for over 5 years and have been working on my technique as best as I can even though I have no teacher. And regardless whether you DO or DON’T it wouldn’t make you any less or more susceptible to injuries while playing. It all depends on what type of hand you have and how often you practice tension release. I met a guy who is double jointed in one hand and he managed to play Etúde Op.10 No.4 fully. He struggled yet, he managed to play it. Take your time to develop proper intonation, hand motions, and tension release. That’s all folks.

[@ateneaflorescastillo]

Veo que hay descontento con respecto a este video. Si te sirve de algo, para mí fue muy útil para poner atención en por qué mi antebrazo izquierdo se tensa tanto cada que me siento al Piano. A pesar de habérselo reportado a diversos profesores de Piano, desde hace tres años y medio que empecé a tomar clases, no han sabido qué hacer con el asunto y yo tampoco. Me doy cuenta de que eso explica por qué no puedo tocar rápido, pero no sé cómo hacerle para soltar esa tensión… Hoy empecé a forzarme a respirar mientras hacía rutinas y creo que eso ayudó. No te desanimes. Siempre habrá quién descalifique lo que haces, pero ahí mismo tiempo, siempre habrá alguien a quien le sirva lo que estás planteando.

[@towardstheflame]

Winter Wind can not be played effectively with perfect finger independence alone. It needs proper wrist rotation and forearm motion in a sort of circular way.

[@towardstheflame]

And I don't agree that rotation doesn't solve anything. It's absolutely key to piano technique.

[@anyallewis]

the wrist can’t be tense, but if you try to rotate it it probably will add tension instead of achieving its intended purpose of relieving tension - i’ve played this etude and it really is about fingers being independent to each other

[@towardstheflame]

@anyallewis But I definitely agree that you need finger independency as well :)

[@loganm2924]

This is absolutely the case.

[@ChopinhammerOp40k]

People want to be individualistic and feel they are doing things their own way at the expense of everything else. It's worth it to them to cripple their progress and waste many years as long as they feel they're not being gatekept or being talked down to, even if it's correct. It's funny but they have every right to do as they wish. But it's great that at least one person is willing to just talk straight and not try to overly spare people's egos.

[@draazir5103]

some people don't have the privilege to pay for a good teacher "ChopinhammerOP40k" They are doing the best they can

[@nickwilson7697]

I’m so glad that we’re finally starting to address the elephants in the room! This is the PSA we all need to hear! It’s amazing to see folk like you talking about the possibility of injury when not taking our time at the piano seriously. I’ve been there - and done that. And had to stop playing for quite a while. Where were you 20 years ago?!

[@DSMS-nu4vj]

Thank you, as a self taught beginner, I am learning much easier pieces first. I am starting my first "difficult one" with Passacaglia. Everything you say makes sense. And I learn from your detailed explanations of each difficult piece. Many people do not realize how debilitating injured wrists and fingers can be. I have trigger fingers but can still play but I have to always remind myself to relax and use correct posture technique, etc. You provide valuable information to anyone wise enough to listen.

[@ZeanIkLaurie]

Choose a difficult piece. I'll help you out daily for free and make sure you dedicate enough time to complete it in one or two months

[@altoclef6688]

I used to have teachers, I don't anymore. Rather than stop playing too difficult pieces, just note when something is not comfortable, makes your hand strained and figure out a way to make it relaxed. For polyrythms, you just have to do them at some point. My first frustration was first mvt of Beethovens tenth piano sonata with triplets in the right hand. If I had stopped, how would I have learned? My method was to play a very simple repeated pattern in each hand until it worked. Still have problems with polyrythms within one hand though.

[@jeremywade1493]

Although you're right for the most part, there is clearly an element of gatekeeping here. Sometimes having these pieces as long term goals for people motivates them to start learning piano in the first place, and saying that they could 'never' learn them because they're self taught leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not everyone can afford piano lessons, and those people who can't still have the right to aim towards learning these pieces eventually. (I'm not self taught btw)

[@ThisCanBePronounced]

Definitely an important warning, especially to keep in mind you should not have pain. Pain means stop. Too much tension, strain, etc. I had less than 10 lessons and otherwise learned from others about technique but I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing - but I was never playing or learning for performance, just composing and improvisation. But I did take lesson for violin so I know the warnings of tension. So I've never dreamed of playing these pieces since I know they're beyond me haha - except maybe fantasie impromptu some time back after realizing the beginning isn't all that hard, so I only worked on that part a little bit as an exploratory exercise.

[@defentel5686]

I learned rach’s c sharp minor as my first piece, I fortunately did not injure myself but now realise that it was a mistake

[@imaansharifi]

Why?

[@JédynMusic]

I literally did the same exact thing. It was fun, and only took me a month or two. So, naturally, the next big piece I started practicing was Chopin Etude Op. 10 No. 1, and I did somehow get through that in a few months as well.

[@defentel5686]

@@imaansharifi took me about 8 months, i also couldn’t read music

[@imaansharifi]

@defentel5686 that's great. Rest assured now you do it way better than non-self taughts.

[@defentel5686]

@@imaansharifi Yes, Im improving and got a teacher

[@Fireball_ZMinecraft]

3:43 You are stealing: right to jail. You are playing music too loud: right to jail, right away. Driving too fast: jail. Slow: jail. You are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you right to jail. You undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail. You overcook chicken, also jail. Undercook, overcook. You make an appointment with the dentist and you don't show up, believe it or not, jail, right away.

[@CharlesShorts]

i dont understand

[@RodrigoRaez]

I've already started to play the first one and only have felt pleasant sensations, but thank you very much for this warning. I'll try to be carefully warmed up before I play it.

[@NelGabriel]

I really hurt myself trying to learn some pieces, but I couldn’t really find a teacher who can put some emphasis on teaching a lifelong self taught pianist proper technique.

[@juanvic-q1l]

Ostras Manuel Casares! Soy Juan Vicente, te recuerdo del curso de Astorga y del concurso de Veguellina, hace casi 13 años.

[@manuelcasarespiano]

Ahi va, que ilusión!!! 13 años hace, dios mio jajajaja Búscame en Insta si quieres! @manuelcasarespiano Me alegro de saber de ti!!

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

Merci. Since I had to treat people for their aches and pains, and joking that I had been born with two left ears, I was never at risk to injure myself on the piano. Until my retirement. This was a good warning to those who think their techniques are beyond the realm of their possible. I have made a video about exercises I gave all my patients to stabilize and strengthen the low back, as well as techniques for the shoulders arms and hands. Oh My Aching Bach

[@ZeanIkLaurie]

Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility in piano playing because this knowledge isn't as constructive as maths or chess. People often just choose uncomfortable fingerings and refuse to revise them

[@draazir5103]

as a self taught player i don't think the title should directly target self taught players because i think self taught players can have efficient techniques and reach these pieces with time

[@manuelcasarespiano]

That's unfortunately incorrect and that's exactly the point of the video. Self-teaching has a very low ceiling, and trying these pieces when one is not prepared can create serious injury (apart from frustration). I've been contributing to the r/piano community on Reddit for five years, and I've never seen any self-taught pianist yet who could ever come close to playing any of these pieces with a relatively solid technique and without high potential of getting hurt.

[@JustinDAMusic]

I've never seen anyone physically injure themselves from playing piano. This has to be one of the most ridiculous videos that I have seen on KZbin. You sound really silly.

[@ZeanIkLaurie]

​@@manuelcasarespianoit isn't. And we should stop pretending people shouldn't play what they like at their house. Professional pianists risk getting hurt too and you don't learn that much about ergonomics at the conservatory. And they really need their hands fully available for their job. I feel like this type of BS you push is what is isolating the classical music world and is unacceptable

[@triumphantmichael]

​@@manuelcasarespianoI had an experience learning the Moonlight Sonata 3rd movement for a recital. It was a compulsory piece so there was no way I could go around it. The days I spent learning it were the worst days of my life as a pianist. I had only just done ABRSM Grade 5 piano exams at that time. After I managed to barely learn it (Note: It sounded terrible), I got depressed after listening to Valentina Lisitsa's recording. I'm unable to listen to my recital recording of 3rd movement because I know how terrible it sounded.

[@marswaterman]

@@ZeanIkLaurie Your comment misrepresents what’s actually being said. He isn't telling people they can’t enjoy playing whatever they want at home. The point is that without proper guidance, you risk real, documented injuries. It’s also just not true that conservatories don’t teach ergonomics; proper hand position, posture, and tension management are all core parts of formal training. This isn’t some elitist tactic to exclude anyone-it’s proven advice that helps pianists play safely for the long haul.

[@efekoparan6486]

Can you make a video on what pieces should we play to improve slowly but rightfully in a timelapse of 5-6 years

[@lindat.9976]

Wow! A recommendation video for masochists with plenty of time on their hands! 😂

[@tueu1224]

it was the most necessary video that this platform needed, unfortunately many try to play these pieces too soon, and don't really know why they are called "most difficult on the piano", videos like this save lives

[@duartevader2709]

Just a thing for the op 25 11, i believe you can use rotation, very minimal but when done well will surely help on the long run, i feel like it should just be shifting the weight of the hand to the finger playin and no more, very small movements that do help a lot

[@loganm2924]

Yes this

[@someguy4071]

Damn it, so that left hand danger is also in Ballade No.1. Alright I'll keep that as mind as someone self taught.

[@148zeus]

Thanks for the tips! i just started learning aeolian harp today and i'm watching tons of videos trying to make sure im doing the rotation right, im not sure if its too early but my last pieces were arabesque no1 and liebestraum no1, which took 2-3 weeks each to memorize. I want to get good enough to play mephisto waltz or liebestraum no3 but they're probably a year out...

[@llIlllllIll]

I've been trying to play Aeolian Harp for a while but my hands always hurt after a few minutes :(

[@yords7750]

I agree with this video. Piano injuries are a real thing, and something i unfortunately experienced myself when learning chopins fiest etude. I learned it at the cost of my right forearm. It took months for it to heal. Thats when I learned more about ergonomic playing and tension. I think you should make a video on that to spread that knowledge. With the emergence of synthesia videos, many people like myself fall into the trap of playing pieces too hard for their current level and hurting themselves. If theres one thing that i actually know helps your technique, its practicing your scales and arpeggios properly. That is 100 percent a guaranteed way to build much more efficient technique. As for exactly HOW to practice those, i recommend getting a teacher, or learning CAREFULLY on your own. I can't stop you. I hope this helps someone know what to work on.

[@mariecarie1]

I understand what he’s saying, everyone. Calm down. All he’s saying is that without proper hand positioning, posture, etc taught by piano teachers, these pieces CAN hurt your fingers and wrists. You can exacerbate tendonitis, carpel tunnel and even strains on your fingers/wrists if you aren’t careful, even with proper training. This isn’t gatekeeping-it’s a PSA. Even though I’ve been taught by a professional pianist, I STILL tend to hold my arms/wrists rigid and tense. I still have to be careful. Without proper training I definitely would’ve hurt myself playing these pieces over time. I can’t imagine how bad I’d have hurt myself if I hadn’t had someone point this out to me.

[@loganm2924]

@@mariecarie1 he’s also been saying in the comments that there is a low skill ceiling for self-taught piano, which is gatekeeping and simply not true. It just serves to discourage self-taught pianists.

[@mariecarie1]

@ This is what I think he means by saying “low skill ceiling,” (although I could be wrong in my interpretation): With any art, _any_ art, there are nuances and techniques you won’t learn if you do it on your own. E.g., I don’t care how many drawing tutorials I watch-there are aspects to drawing I won’t learn unless I’m taught more specifically by an actual art teacher or two, or more. I know that, and I’m fine with it. I’m fine with being a pretty good artist who’s picked up some decent skills. But I would get a lot farther a lot faster if someone properly taught me the nuances, the history, the specific skills to make my art come to life in a way I couldn’t have before. Could I draw professionally? I suppose so, in niche circles for specific things. But I can’t hope to draw for DC Comics or Disney if I don’t know drawing techniques, styles, perspectives, etc. in ways I probably won’t think to learn about without someone to guide me. FOR THE MOST PART, you can only get so good at things if you’re self-taught. Most people need to be taught most things, at least at some level. You can teach yourself Japanese, sure, but if you wanna get 100% _fluent_, you better know Duolingo won’t cut it. Not even close. That’s all he’s saying. Please, for the love of God, teach yourself piano. I’m still teaching myself to draw. I’m thinking about illustrating a children’s book I’m writing. You can still create art and you can still get pretty good, or even very good. But like with anything, you’d greatly benefit from the expertise of those who’ve gone before you.

[@gibletgravy]

Perfect beginner pieces that I recommend: Rubinstein etude op. 23 no. 2 in C major and Chopin / Godowsky op. 10 no. 2 for LH alone

[@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf]

And also Amedee Mereaux exudes.

[@Turunflo]

I am self-taught and I played all of this pieces with total relaxation. You need proper method (Sandor, Fink, etc) and exceptional piano teachers from KZbin (a lot of them are for the worst). Anyway, although it worked for me, I think I was lucky. I found (by reasoning or by chance) just the right path to become a composer and pianist, but I would not recommend to do it. There are infinite wrong paths and only one good for you, and a piano teacher is something you mat want. I'm just saying it is not 100℅ necessary, especially for becoming a composer (a creative one, with your own way). I would encourage you to get a teacher if ypu can, but no way I'm telling you to stop. Just feel your body and avoid ANY tension. Be honest with yourself abouy this and you will be able to play anything you want. Just read those books and feel your body.

[@velti3178]

I‘ve had a teacher for 7 years, who told me the fundamentals and I didn’t really practice much back then. Then she quit teaching, right when I was more committed than ever. I taught myself through KZbin and stuff and practiced for 3 hours a day. Now playing chopin Etudes with good technique. My Point is, when you use logic, inform yourself about how to develop good technique through channels like Joshua Wright, Tonebase or Paul Barton AND actually put this info into your skillset through studying thoroughly, It is very possible to go pretty far without an actual teacher.

[@RasielSuarez]

I'm a beginner starting out on... the Festin D'Esope. This one's ok, right? 🙏

[@manuelcasarespiano]

😂

[@takinghavimi1834]

Hi and thanks for the great videos! which pieces would you suggest for self taught pianists (let‘s say intermediate level)? (except those two easy Beethoven sonatas😅)

[@manuelcasarespiano]

That's a great question! Hard to answer in a single comment. Come by the Discord and we can talk about that!

[@hakore906]

there is not a single point in this video i agree with. as a self taught pianist, i have been able to play these pieces and even much more difficult ones with ease and without injury. you have basically taken every simple technique and said it can injure my hand. so apparently all self taught pianists can play according to you is chopsticks 😂

[@mariecarie1]

Good for you. Not all of us are as naturally gifted as you. Some of us have a lot of tension in our bodies and need training to properly relax and hold our hands, wrists and arms. Most of us need training. Glad you don’t, apparently. We’re not all you.

[@Gabitrompeta]

Just dont't do it, let Manuel do it for you!

[@ВоскресеньеПонедельник-в5б]

🤣

[@Seraphita7]

i cant believe you got ALL of the pieces i wanna eventually play as a self taught beginner LMAo that was funny

[@victorstrokin3369]

What about Beethoven Appassionata 3rd movement? Or Liszt Transcendental Etude No 1?

[@duartevader2709]

Same issue, no self taught should be playing those pieces

[@ZeanIkLaurie]

​@duartevader2709there are self taught pianists who play way better than conservatory graduates

[@duartevader2709]

@ZeanIkLaurie you cant compare the top 0.1% of one thing to the bottom 50% of another thing

[@ZeanIkLaurie]

@duartevader2709 putting numbers on it you're making a comparison too. And it certainly isn't 0.1% vs 50%. Plus it's would be safer to say that if you didn't start as a child you're technique will always be mediocre. Plus you said no self taught and I'm just mentioning some self taughts are competition level pianists

[@TomBerg-hj3ei]

Hi Manuel, what about Chopin's prelude no.24 op.28? I'm practising it since 3 weeks. In the beginning the left hand did hurt, I think you can't really avoid it, but it's getting better and better, it hurts less and less. I'm not a professional player, just hobby pianist, some years of piano lessons in the 1980's. Do you have any advice for the right technique for playing the left hand in this piece?

[@manuelcasarespiano]

Great question, come to the Discord and let's talk over there!

[@jawshua100]

I haven't tried all the pcs u have mentioned ..tht is considered advanced pcs but anywhere thks for ur advise. Will try it after Xmas..I m in Xmas mood now ...

[@TerminatorElvxn]

is pathetique 2nd movement a good piece for self taught learners?

[@michaelkklam]

I'm no expert, but I think at least the pathetique 2nd movement is easier than any pieces mentioned in this video.

[@DougGray-xf3hz]

Hi Manuel, I immediately subscribed to your channel after listening to your first on ‘speed’. Very helpful. As a self taught player I did find this video was a little discouraging. Stick with ‘how to’ rather than ‘how not to’. Keep them coming, Doug

[@manuelcasarespiano]

Hi Doug! Thank you for your comment and your kind words. The intention is never to discourage, but to present a reality and to help you (and as many as possible) to avoid getting hurt and frustrated. I don't want to say "you will never be able to play these pieces"! - on the opposite, I want to encourage you to seek some good guidance if you want to learn any of them, and to be patient because the road ahead is long. Thanks again for being there 🙏❤️ Take care of your hands!

[@zeroossi5967]

Am self tought pianist I can play hard pieces etudes but am really bad reading music Can you make a video on it ?

[@loganm2924]

There is a lot of misinformation in this video. Calling wrist rotation an endgame skill is one of the most outlandish claims I've ever heard about piano technique, it's a core principle of natural motion that every beginner and intermediate pianist should practise and apply, and honestly it can solve a lot of issues. Saying there's not enough time in the Op 25 no 11 runs to enact wrist rotation misleading. You should practise with the rotation very slowly to build a good foundation for the notes without tension, and then the motion gets smaller and smaller as you speed up towards the desired speed (the speed Chopin suggested is significantly faster than what you show even). Of course the fingers do a lot of the work for the notes but practising with only finger movement with no understanding of how it plays into the ergonomics of the hand is a lot worse than practising it with only wrist rotation and failing to get it up to a very fast tempo. You overgeneralise self taught pianists far too much. Richter and Godowsky were almost completely self taught and yet two of the greatest technicians at the piano in history. Godowsky especially was known to be one of the greatest teachers of technique in modern times. Even barring very exceptional cases, a lot of progress can be made without a teacher (though it's much slower and less efficient) using books and many online resources, and especially making sure to practise everything from the ground up very slowly and avoiding tension at every step.

[@brianbernstein3826]

Schubert Erlkonig most dangerous piece there is

[@chironchiron5053]

As a concert pianist, I find this video completely dismissive and borderline condescending. The idea that self-taught musicians “shouldn’t” play difficult pieces is absolute nonsense. I’ve worked through Chopin’s Ballade No. 1 and Liszt’s Reminiscences de Norma-pieces that are undoubtedly challenging-and I didn’t need extraformal 10000$ lessons or fifty masterclass teachers breathing down my neck to achieve that. Self-teaching requires a level of discipline, dedication, and critical listening that many underestimate. Even though I have two private teachers, that does not imply that I somehow did not do a majority of my playing self-taught. Do you really think people only practise guided? 99% of pianists learn their pieces by themselves and get guided from time to time by another professional. The assumption that self-taught pianists are inherently incapable of tackling advanced repertoire undermines what music is about: passion, expression, and growth. Do self-taught musicians sometimes struggle with technique or interpretation? Sure. But so do many formally trained ones. Progress isn’t limited to the confines of a classroom. If anything, self-taught pianists who take on works like Chopin and Liszt prove that it’s not about how you learn-it’s about your love for the music, your willingness to analyze and experiment, and the time you put into honing your craft. Just because someone doesn’t follow a “traditional path” doesn’t mean they should limit themselves. Music belongs to everyone, whether you’re in a conservatory or sitting alone with a piano and a score. Saying self-taught players shouldn’t play difficult pieces reeks of gatekeeping, and it disregards the accomplishments of countless musicians who carved their own paths. Stop discouraging people from aiming high-if someone has the passion and drive to play Norma or Ballade No. 1, let them, and don’t assume they can’t succeed just because they’re self-taught. Your nonsense has to stop. Seriously, what on Earth are you ranting about? Playing loudly is NOT rough if you can play it right. I don’t see that you have any greater technique than what you’ve explained. Your Rachmaninov prelude lacks musicality, density, nuances, power, dexterity, polytone and direction. There is no need to degrade self-taught pianists with these stupid clout videos. To a logical musician, you’re part of the clout and waste we’re trying to erase. Your playing is far from perfect too, and from what I can see, you also learn your pieces by yourself and not stick to a private teacher supervising your musical journey and life 24/7. I know a friend who is self-taught and could perform the behemoth of Alkan’s Le Preux Concert Étude, which you probably never heard of, due to your lack of musicality. I still don’t get why such an informal and unprofessional pianist like you gets to judge the ones who make an effort. You give the most basic musical examples which make no sense and proves that you’re nothing but a low-end, effortless pretentious talented musician that asserts his dominance over unprivileged or more unique people. The fact that you use pieces like Moonlight Sonata for clout thumbnails also implies that you have zero idea of what you’re talking about. You probably never heard of 90% of pieces I’ve listened to, and take the most basic examples to try to impress others. Also from your ‘epic’ cadenzas video: why are you using the five most known cadenzas? There’s a lot of them like the Busoni Concerto Mvt. IV which are overshadowed by basic ‘professional’ ‘musician’ videos like yours. This also implies how little you know about true classical music and the subject as a whole, and shows that your beloved and wannabe elitist personality misinforms half the pianist population. Because of you, thousands of people will now never challenge themselves to play a difficult piano piece due to their lack of musical understanding. I’m done.

[@Adot345Music]

get this as top comment

[@manuelcasarespiano]

Your initial comment (pre-edit) started with "as a self-taught pianist". Your channel's description starts with "Amateur pianist". Do you want to start again, without criticising anyone's playing and without trying to fool anyone? 😉

[@chironchiron5053]

@@manuelcasarespiano Here we go buddy, a very simple counter argument. So with your logic, a self taught pianist cannot be an amateur pianist who plays in concerts? What a wannabe elitist who bears zero logical and musical profound knowledge!

[@chironchiron5053]

@@manuelcasarespiano It seems like the platform had the audacity to delete my comment. Let me repeat. With your logic, a self taught pianist cannot be an amateur pianist while also playing in concerts? Are you somehow implying that self-taught pianists do not have the capability to go professional or amateur, studying in conservatory? Please bear logical knowledge when talking to someone. As for criticizing, no, I will not rework my comment, since you’ve just misinformed and degraded millions of self-taught pianists with a few statements.

[@mariecarie1]

Hey, dip ass “concert pianist”-his point is that without proper hand positioning, you could hurt yourself. That’s all he’s saying. No one’s gatekeeping. It’s a PSA, that’s all. From one professional pianist to another, open your musical ears and listen to the words next time before you get on your high horse.

[@thisismoyukhsworld2022]

The first three pieces are advanced, but the last two are upper advanced.

[@yosefGames]

You forgot Liszt Mazzappa it's the most dangerous that no one will try to really learn this piece it can really destroy the hands it's only suitable for those who have played hundreds of etudes of excuses and leaps can afford to try it right very important finger names This is easy to verify The pieces you mentioned Fantasia Inferno by Chopin La Campana and Millonette Sonata 3 do not come close to this level

[@barkopediusmaximus5552]

You dropped yours, so have some of mine, use as desired: ...........,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:::::::::::::;;;;;;;;;;;;!!!!!???????

[@JigyanshuBhanj-pc23k]

I am a self-taught pianist, and I believe learning these pieces won’t hurt if you have efficient techniques. Early in my piano journey, I learned the full 3rd movement of Moonlight Sonata and am now working on La Campanella and Fantasie Impromptu and many more in just 3 years😂😂

[@RetroRonin-nf1qg]

Yeah but you see, these are popular pieces that most self taught piano players (if not all) learn because they sound cool, and because of wanting the cool sound, they can ignore the need to relax properly. It's not just efficiency, but safety.

[@Adot345Music]

me when I spread misinformation on the internet:

[@gamliel2782]

don't be afraid of hurting yourself.by the time you can play at tempo you will figure out how to play comfortably

[@duartevader2709]

It doesnt work like that

[@toren-touissannt]

Well something to consider is that the people who composed these pieces were self taught

[@towardstheflame]

No, they weren't.

[@ChopinhammerOp40k]

LOL no.

[@MrMikomi]

What a depressing and patronising video. Shame on this person trying to discourage so many people from trying to achieve their dreams.

[@ВоскресеньеПонедельник-в5б]

The pieces in this video are what kept me interested in piano 😂. When I was a beginner, I was fed up with only being able to play the RH of pop songs (I wanted to play classical music instead). Now, I look back at the section/s of those pieces that I'm able to play and just admire the beauty. Now I mainly play folk music by ear (I feel that sheet music is a too complicated standard of writing music). But playing these iconic pieces helped me grow towards being a better pianist, and I encourage any self-taught pianist to attempt these pieces even if it hurts them! (People shouldn't make such a fuss about getting hurt while learning the piano. It is temporary pain and I believe its a part of the process)👍

[@Ricardo7250]

Becoming a good pianist (or good on any instrument) isn't just about playing what you always wanted to play, but also discovering the bigger picture. When I was still starting at the piano, I wanted to play Liszt's Transcendental Etudes, which in no way was possible for an amateur. However, there were other paths at that time for me, like playing old Liszt's pieces (such as Aux Cypres... 2), which impressed many people. Head diving into a single piece instead of working on the big picture is risky.

[@sp1704]

You're joking right? There are literally so many wonderful intermediate and upper intermediate pieces a self-taught pianist can get very far! And play a lifetime's worth of satisfying repertoire at the 7-8 grade level. I have many aspirational pieces and none of them made his short list because I've found a wealth of amazing music to play on the RCM syllabus that's more appropriate as my ability grows. I don't know if I can really play xy or z properly w/o a teacher, but no way am I even attempting Rach on my own lol

[@jjh8149]

Boring

[@imaansharifi]

Stop posting nonsense just to get views!!!! Ok???

[@piotrkobza2776]

The only thing in that video that is hurting is the reasoning

[@ggez3993]

BS!!! All this doesnt matter. Its propaganta by pianost teachers trying tk gatekeep and suck money. Just play it. No technique. Easy. Ryht does NOT matter

[@3gc42bx]

So basically, start with a piece in Major key. Also if it's C-sharp minor, run away.