If You Don't Know These 100 Pieces, You Don't Know Classical Music

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Make sure to leave a comment🙌🏻

[@yoyogie69]

As a pianist I listen to classical "piano" more! However, a great video, I enjoyed it.

[@erichodge567]

How about John Williams' "Theme from Schindler's List?" One of the most heartbreaking pieces of music I have ever heard.

[@johnchessant3012]

0:08 Bach - Toccata and fugue in d minor (BWV 565) 0:20 Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 (BWV 1050), mvmt. 1 0:32 Bach - Well-Tempered Clavier Book 1, Prelude in C major (BWV 846) 0:53 Bach - St. John Passion (BWV 245) 1:12 Vivaldi - The Four Seasons, Spring 1:31 Bach - St. Matthew Passion (BWV 244) 1:53 Bach - Christmas Oratorio (BWV 248) 2:20 Handel - Messiah, Hallelujah chorus (HWV 56) 2:31 Bach - Mass in b minor (BWV 232) 2:51 Bach - The Art of Fugue (BWV 1080) 3:20 Mozart - Piano Sonata No. 11 (K. 331), mvmt. 3 ("Rondo alla Turca") 3:34 Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro (K. 492), overture 3:59 Mozart - Eine kleine Nachtmusik (K. 525), mvmt. 1 4:15 Mozart - Symphony No. 39 (K. 543), mvmt. 4 4:32 Mozart - Symphony No. 40 (K. 550), mvmt. 1 5:02 Mozart - Symphony No. 41 (K. 551), mvmt. 4 5:24 Mozart - Requiem (K. 626) 5:45 Mozart - The Magic Flute (K. 620), overture 6:03 Haydn - The Creation (Hob. XXI.2) 6:21 Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 8 ("Pathétique") (Op. 13), mvmt. 1 6:38 Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 14 ("Moonlight") (Op. 27, No. 2), mvmt. 3 7:08 Beethoven - Symphony No. 3 ("Eroica") (Op. 55), mvmt. 1 7:35 Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 21 ("Waldstein") (Op. 53), mvmt. 1 7:48 Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 23 ("Appassionata") (Op. 57), mvmt. 3 8:28 Beethoven - Symphony No. 5 (Op. 67) ("Fate"), mvmt. 1 9:04 Beethoven - Symphony No. 6 (Op. 68) ("Pastoral"), mvmt. 1 9:35 Beethoven - Symphony No. 7 (Op. 92), mvmt. 2 10:08 Schubert - Symphony No. 8 (D. 759) ("Unfinished"), mvmt. 1 10:41 Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 (Op. 125), mvmt. 4 ("Ode to Joy") 11:15 Mendelssohn - A Midsummer Night's Dream (Op. 21) 11:34 Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique, Op. 14 12:06 Chopin - Ballade No. 1 (Op. 23) 12:33 Mendelssohn - Symphony No. 2 ("Lobgesang") (Op. 52) 12:58 Chopin - Ballade No. 4 (Op. 52) 13:26 Chopin - Sonata No. 3 (Op. 58), mvmt. 3 13:51 Schumann - Symphony No. 3 (Op. 97) ("Rhenish"), mvmt. 4 14:24 Wagner - Lohengrin (WWV 75) 14:57 Verdi - Otello 15:17 Liszt - Sonata in b minor (S. 178) 15:57 Verdi - La traviata 16:16 Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (WWV 90) 16:44 Strauss - The Blue Danube (Op. 314) 17:10 Brahms - A German Requiem, Op. 45 17:55 Bruckner - Symphony No. 4 (WAB 104) 18:18 Smetana - Ma vlast, "The Moldau" 18:40 Grieg - Peer Gynt (Op. 23), "Morning Mood" 19:00 Brahms - Symphony No. 1 (Op. 68), mvmt. 4 19:22 Wagner - Die Walküre (WWV 86B), "Ride of the Valkyries" 19:46 Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake (Op. 20) 20:11 Wagner - Parsifal (WWV 111) 20:35 Bruckner - Symphony No. 7 (WAB 107) 21:08 Brahms - Symphony No. 4 (Op. 98), mvmt. 4 21:42 Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 5 (Op. 64), mvmt. 4 22:05 Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade (Op. 35) 22:21 Dvořák - Symphony No. 8 (Op. 88), mvmt. 4 22:42 Bruckner - Symphony No. 8 (WAB 108) 23:08 Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker (Op. 71) 23:31 Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6 (Op. 74) ("Pathétique"), mvmt. 1 24:14 Dvořák - Symphony No. 9 (Op. 95) ("From the New World"), mvmt. 4 24:42 Humperdinck - Hänsel und Gretel 25:36 Debussy - Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (L. 86) 26:15 Mahler - Symphony No. 2 ("Resurrection") 26:46 Puccini - La bohème 27:14 Mahler - Symphony No. 3 27:42 Puccini - Tosca 28:28 Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2 (Op. 18), mvmt. 3 28:57 Mahler - Symphony No. 5 29:34 Mahler - Kindertotenlieder 30:00 Mahler - Symphony No. 6 30:31 Mahler - Symphony No. 7 31:02 Strauss - Salome (Op. 54) 31:39 Debussy - La mer (L. 109) 32:15 Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 2 (Op. 27), mvmt. 4 32:44 Ravel - Gaspard de la nuit (M. 55), "Ondine" 33:27 Berg - Seven Early Songs 33:57 Mahler - Symphony No. 9 34:20 Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 3 (Op. 30), mvmt. 3 34:52 Stravinsky - The Firebird 35:16 Ravel - Ma mère l'Oye 35:51 Stravinsky - Petrushka 36:20 Ravel - Valses nobles et sentimentales 36:48 Ravel - Daphnis et Chloé 37:23 Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring 37:50 Zemlinsky - Six Songs to Poems by Maeterlinck, "1. Die drei Schwestern" 38:16 Strauss - An Alpine Symphony (Op. 64) 38:58 Holst - The Planets (Op. 32), "Mars" 39:20 Korngold - Die tote Stadt (Op. 12) 40:00 Mussorgsky (arr. Ravel) - Pictures at an Exhibition 40:37 Puccini - Turandot, "Nessun dorma" 41:16 Bartók - The Miraculous Mandarin (Op. 19) 41:44 Prokofiev - Romeo and Juliet (Op. 64), "Dance of the Knights" 42:11 Bach (arr. Webern) - The Musical Offering, "Ricercar a 6" 43:07 Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5 (Op. 47) 43:38 Rachmaninoff - Symphonic Dances (Op. 45) 44:03 Hindemith - Symphonic Metamorphosis of Themes 44:29 Britten - Peter Grimes (Op. 33) 44:51 Strauss - Vier letzte Lieder, "1. Frühling" 45:17 Bernstein/Sondheim - West Side Story, "Maria" 45:47 Williams - Star Wars, main theme 46:18 Williams - Harry Potter, "Hedwig's Theme" 46:53 Shore - The Lord of the Rings

[@anonb315]

The video would be much better without the tacky ai art

[@charpin7]

Would it though? How?

[@Someoneisontheinternet-h4j]

I love that AI art!!

[@erichodge567]

The art is pure Thomas Kinkade level bs.

[@canko15]

The point of the video is the music and the comment around it, images are just fille so AI is perfectly fine, you are just complaining without need

[@stefandidoszakmusic]

Not having Samuel Barbers Adagio for Strings was criminal for 1935-2001!!

[@erichodge567]

I mean, we gotta forgive him, but still... Barber's Adagio is one of few pieces of American classical music at certifiable great-master level.

[@qbqred]

Where is my goat Sibelius 😭

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Sorry😂

[@fabkle1512]

What are your favourite Sibelius pieces? For some reason I never got to know him but beeing a huge Mahler, Dvorak an Ravel fan I know I'll love his music. But they aren't playing him at all where I live...

[@HectorGarcia-ho3xe]

@@fabkle1512 I recommend you definitely listening to his 2nd symphony in a mor of a Tchaikovsky style and if you want a more Sibelius symphony would be his 5th one, is incredible!

[@qbqred]

@@fabkle1512 just went to a BSO performance of Sibelius's Finlandia and Symphony 7 last night, both great pieces that you should def listen to!

[@witekg.6183]

And of course we must mention the symphonic poems - "En saga" op. 9, "Spring Song" op. 16

[@grelusradu]

Huge effort in making this video! Great works, the musical excerpts were very thoughtfully chosen, in many cases not straight to the obvious Schlager moments and well described. Thank you!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

You're welcome🙌🏻

[@Izurag]

I often think how privileged I am for not only knowing but performing many of those pieces. Life wouldn't be the same.

[@imrebenedect]

Awesome video! ❤ What an effort. Thank you!!

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

Not a bad selection, but of the greatest composers Monteverdi, Zelenka, Rameau, and CPE Bach are completely missing, while Handel and Haydn are only listed with one piece each. And, of course, JS Bach's Chaconne is simply a must.

[@chelmrtz]

While I love Dvorak’s music in general, his 9th symphony is always the one for me. I cry every time I hear it. Not only is it stunning and beautiful, but the impact of his short teaching career in America giving opportunities to Black musicians and highlighting Black American and indigenous American music. It’s a complete package that remains timeless and beautiful.

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Didn't know that, thank you🙌🏻

[@Dylonely_9274]

What about Porgy & Bess ?

[@chelmrtz]

@Dylonely_9274 I don’t know what Dvorak and Porgy & Bess have to do with one another so I can’t answer this question to your satisfaction.

[@chelmrtz]

@@Carl-FriedrichWelker The podcast Sticky Notes did a great episode on the symphony and goes into this story. Highly recommended

[@culturalconfederacy]

If you want to really get to know classical music, go beyond the same war horses in the canon. Seriously, how many times do we need to hear Beethoven's 5th in the concert hall. I recommend the symphonies of Franz Krommer, Hoffmeister, C.E.F. Weyse, Traugott Maximilian Eberwein, Johann Wilhelm Wilms and Ferdinand Ries. If you like Chopin, you'lll be blown away by the sonatas of Hyacinth Jadin. Anton Rubinstein's 1st Piano Concerto is a must hear. Check out Tchaikovsky's Queen of Spades. His 1st Symphony and symphonic poem The Storm are also works that should be better known. My favorite disc, btw, is the Berrnhard Romberg symphonies with the Kolner Akadamie. Khachaturian's Spartacus and Piano Concerto are also excellent. Spohr's 3rd Symphony and overture The Alchymist should be a mainstay. Other composers to explore include Friedrich Ernst Fesca, Jan Kalliwoda, Franz Berwald, Hugo Stahle, Norbert Burgmuller, Luka Sorkocevic and Carl Friedrich Abel. Abel's Symphonies Op. 10 on CPO are a must have. Not one throw away movement in the bunch, Trust me, you will be pleasantly surprised. One more mention: Muzio Clementi. His four symphonies and Overture in C Major will perk you right up.

[@The_Entertainer-]

Too much Bach. You forget so many other important composers.

[@gabrielrockman]

Too much Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Mahler. I'm disappointed that he left out Paganini entirely.

[@erichodge567]

Sorry, but Bach is just that good.

[@makototv1035]

Yeah tbh, I never heard a bach piece that I liked. Not saying he isn't the goat, but he could've made way for other composers.

[@m_uz1244]

Indeed, Bach was just that good. The real reason is that the other Baroque composers were either one-dimensional galantists like Handel or were geniuses in their own right but their style didn't really propagate onwards in history like Scarlatti. In general, the Baroque-Classical transition was very much a chrysalis; the musical traditions that Bach mastered were entirely lost and subsequent composers rarely even attempted to make contrapuntal music (and when they did, it wasn't that good). It was only when Bach's old tomes were dug up in the 19th century that the Western musical world understood what 'harmony' could mean; it was also then that Bach became the go-to answer to the question, "who was the greatest composer?". In the words of Mauricio Kagel, "Not all musicians believe in God, but we all believe in Bach". The art of counterpoint has never been and will never be mastered to the degree that it was by Bach. The Baroque tradition without counterpoint is mostly an antique faffle with older and fewer instruments and a lot more religious music than the Classical (granted, Scarlatti was a genius and an unrivaled harpsichordist, and Rameau was pretty good too).

[@makototv1035]

@m_uz1244 Well, I'm no musician, so I guess I just won't be able to understand the hype, unfortunately..

[@ThePancakeLord]

You seem to have mixed up the descriptions for Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto and symphony. It was his 2nd piano concerto, not his 2nd symphony, that he composed following the failure of his 1st symphony.

[@WassupBOIII]

3:15 "GET A LIFE" Bishop Mari Mari got me

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Haha thank you🙌🏻

[@Dylonely_9274]

What do you think about Porgy & Bess ? I consider it as the greatest musical work (maybe tying with La Bohème) and everything is tremendous in this opera. The script, the music, the orchestration and melodies… it is certainly the most underrated piece of music ever, for what it is truly worth.

[@mikes.8732]

Absolutely LOVE Brahms' 4th and Tchaikovsky's 5th. Both *amazing* symphonies that are criminally underrated. Also, I saw Bronfman live this year performing Rach 3; really stunning!

[@zyplixx1415]

With peace and love, Brahms 4 and Tchaikovsky 5 are FAR from underrated. They are some of the most widely performed works in the repertoire. You want actual underrated, try Dvoraks and Schuberts early symphonies

[@mikes.8732]

@@zyplixx1415 Thanks! Will definitely take a listen!

[@mikes.8732]

I guess I was just considering those works compared with symphonies like Tchaikovsky's 6th or Beethoven's 5th, for example, but I had no idea that these two were more common than I thought! Still great to hear those symphonies are getting airtime!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

I went to see him with rach 3 two years ago, but he was sick and someone else played😂

[@backtoschool1611]

Very neat how he included film music!

[@arthurfunk3104]

So many piano works, but where are the string quartets?

[@vrixphillips]

Wild to think of how all these composers lived at the same time... especially Johann Strauss, Wagner, and Brahms?? and Smetana?

[@FLOJo83]

I just came here for MAHLER!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Haha, not a bad choice😂

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

I’m here for a crash course to learn how to be pretentious and judge people for not knowing any of these music. Thank you for the knowledge 🙏

[@michaeldd8948]

Exactly! Now I can say "oh you don't know these 50 pieces? Haha classical noob" to dispersuade them from listening to classical music and make myself came across as an elitist

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

You're welcome🙌🏻

[@fedegwagwa]

​@@michaeldd8948 Actually most of these pieces are pretty mainstream and would make you sound like a noob to an older classical listener. Will work with anyone else tho

[@Quim1441]

You know the video is wack when some great masters of the XX century like Varèse, Messiaen, Ligeti or Xenakis are not mentioned, but John Williams appears in it.

[@johannpetersen1727]

nah, people just have different musical tastes. Plus he talks about shosta and stravinsky, so you can't say he just hates modernism

[@Quim1441]

It's not about tastes, it's about influence and innovation. The title doesn't say 'These are my 100 favourite pieces'.

[@johannpetersen1727]

@@Quim1441 it doesn’t say these are the most important classical pieces either, so… Plus, the influence and innovation of these latter modernist and early contemporary composers are questionable, and really depend on how you define these terms, so yeah, completely subjective

[@Quim1441]

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[@molybdaenmornell123hopp5]

​@@johannpetersen1727 It does actually close by saying, "You do now know all the important classical pieces."

[@WolfgangAmadeusMozart1761]

If you don't know who i am, you don't know classical music.

[@Dylonely_9274]

Obviously Stefan Zweig.

[@erichodge567]

9:28 Beethoven's 6th! My favorite too!

[@subplantant]

If you know these 100 pieces, but don't know anything before Bach nor anything about music in the 20th century, you are definitely not an expert in classical music.

[@ragnarostbrok1254]

Modermism is shit better not to mention it

[@emilkp3352]

Great video. But Otello was composed in 1887, not in 1830-1853

[@dennisdavis3919]

Nothing at all from Schönberg? Okay, I don't like 12-tone either, but how about Verklärte Nacht? He just seems too important a historical influence to omit entirely.

[@keniz9133]

I got less than 30-40/100, but only because im a solo piano listener. I thought to start listening to more orchestral pieces, and ill start from stuff out of here :D

[@nightshockplayz5894]

Wonderul pieces of music! I also saved some of the pictures as they are amazing!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Thanks🙌🏻

[@wobblyorbee279]

4:35 this photo hits hard 43:37

[@StevenPJames-fl1un]

95/100 for me. Not bad!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

💪🏻

[@steveneardley7541]

Where is Gershwin?

[@Dylonely_9274]

Please don’t tell me he forgot him…

[@Dylonely_9274]

He probably just forgot it, I’m sure he would have quoted at least one from him.

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

What recording did you use for the F minor sonata Op.57?

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

K. Zimerman I think🙌🏻

[@keniz9133]

Definetly Zimerman, sounds like it

[@al_gc1703]

Where’s my Scarlatti… 😢

[@johannpetersen1727]

Solid list

[@ApaOFF]

I know 42 of them, not too bad. I am much more opera oriented. A propos, check out La Fanciulla del west, by Puccini. Of this opera Ravel said that its orchestration and its blending with the voices was perfect, and it was Puccini's favourite one!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Thanks🙌🏻

[@Dylonely_9274]

I didn’t know about that, thank you very much ! What do you know else about this opera ? It’s one of my favorites as well.

[@ApaOFF]

@@Dylonely_9274 I do not know much more than what I wrote. The libretto is based on a successful 1905 Broadway play "The girl of the Golden West", set in the mid 1800s. It had its world premiere at the MET in New York and was well received by most of the american public, less so by american press. Interestingly enough, a song about nostalgia sung by gold miners in Act I was a big success amongst Italian immigrants, as they saw their nostalgia for Italy reflected in it.

[@Dylonely_9274]

@ This opera is way too overshadowed nowadays…whereas it’s almost a good as the three previous from the composer and even better than Turandot in my opinion. And yes, the first act men chorus is very good, one of Puccini’s best ideas… and by the way, we can hear fragments of this chorus melody at the end of the opera (third act). Genius writing and beautiful music.

[@ApaOFF]

@@Dylonely_9274 Absolutely agree! Turandot has sublime moments, but lacks at times some of the grounded and at the same time heavenly sentiment that pervades La Fanciulla... It also is, for me, the ultimate combination of 20th c. modern music and late romantic/verismo melodic style. The styles here are sometimes in contrast, other times in perfect harmony. I am by no means a 20th c. music listener. I have hard times listening to R. Strauss, Schöneberg etc., but I find them in a more accessible way in this opera. Just pure Genius. Ah, and I also LOVE the fact that it has an happy ending, for once!!

[@moffrofflplock600]

His german... uh... _paper rustling_ excuse me... GÄRRRRMÄNNN accent is thiccer than overnight oats.

[@SassiLass01]

So much orchestral focus. I've been schooled in classical music since age 4 (now 72). Where are the vocal/operatic/recital works, the concertos... and Liszt? Very little of Handel, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Schumann, Schubert. Not even all that much focus on Mozart, yet so much on Beethoven. Gave up waiting for Vivaldi. Or Holst. This sort of bias limits the appeal of true classics for many. I once dated a man who, on first meeting, told me he loved classical music. Turned out his notion of classical music was Patsy Cline. Saying this list is somehow a definitive assessment of one's knowledge of classical music is a far reach.

[@Alcachofasycoliflorlomahrico]

76/100, there are composers I know but I don't listen to their music much 😔nice video btw!

[@imaginaryunitlord]

i got 25 until 14:37 watch later: schumann symphony 3

[@teodorb.p.composer]

Yo, where is Medtner?!?! He is literally the greatest composer of 20th century (even Rachmaninoff and his contemporaries told that)

[@teodorb.p.composer]

@c05.63 nope. His texture, thematic work, harmony, contrapoint and the authentic mood of his are absolutelly unparalled and irreplacable. He deserves to be marked as one of the greatest composers ever!

[@gabrielrockman]

@@c05.63 Not even the best Russian composer of the 20th century: that's probably Shostakovich. Could be Scriabin, Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, or Stravinsky. Medtner isn't even top 5 among Russians. I could see him ahead of Myaskovsky and Kabalevsky. Probably not ahead of Schnittke or Gubaidulina. Medtner might be top 10 among Russians for the 20th century, but that's pushing it.

[@maiaka_]

Wait is Mozarts requiem a symphony? I thought requiem was its own type of piece. 5:30 edit: Actually the script is so strange at certain parts. Like who writes like this? "Williams would write Mahler's 5th, was he just born in the same time" huh? Why bring Williams into a conversation about Mahler's 5th? So many confusing moments in this video...

[@arthurmorgan7557]

A requiem is it's own form in music.

[@maiaka_]

@ that’s what I thought. So the script is just really badly written?

[@subplantant]

@@maiaka_ Yes he's wrong to call it a symphony there

[@maiaka_]

@@subplantant Yeah he also calls a solo piano piece a symphony later on, and some times talks about very random topics during the presentation of the piece. Or he just describes the piece very vaguely. Script reeks of AI ngl

[@Finn.285]

I have to watch the full video but I ain’t got the hole time 😭

[@tomhagel9498]

Krystian Zimerman's Liszt b-Minor sonata is indeed in its own class, such an incredible recording

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Yes💪🏻

[@markcbeaumont4670]

Youve missed 1750-1782

[@gabrielrockman]

I'm disappointed that you didn't include the master of the violin: Paganini, or the master of the organ: Messaien.

[@Evangelion0189]

97/100 for me, damn Berg and Webern, give us Sibelius XD thanks for the video!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Good job🙌🏻

[@stephantuschen9540]

Nice video! What´s your opinion about Carl Nielsen? I especially like his 5th symphony.

[@filbsmoatlas1801]

Nahhh Espansiva is the best!

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Don't know much of him so can't tell🙌🏻

[@Barrin10]

@@Carl-FriedrichWelker I always hope for a Nielsen work in this sort of video but I'm not surprised you disappointed me. At least you included Benjamin Britten! If you don't know Nielsen then there's two symphonic cycles to recommend, Ole Schmidt conducting the London Symphony (my preference) and Herbert Blomstedt with the San Francisco Symphony. For a quick introduction to Nielsen, there's the overture to his opera "Maskarade". Equal to any Rossini overture but taking it into the 20th century. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH67e6hrbbhmgs0

[@ragnarostbrok1254]

Jo carl where are you from?

[@danielapfeld4190]

Otello was written 1887

[@quyiGMD]

After reviewing all of your videos, an ai could come up with the idea that Tschaikowsky is god...

[@2009Andersen]

Tell me Professor. What is this intro music? Can you help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqu7aGeBg616fLc

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

I don't think that's the most famous baroque concerto. Vivaldi seasons

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Fair enough😂

[@RachManJohn]

Brandenburg concerto the most famous baroque concerto? Not the 4 seasons?

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Ok, fair enough😂

[@REALSNAPGAMES]

I got 50/100 Also was that Ivo pogolerich's recording of gaspard de la nuit?

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Yes, I think so🙌🏻

[@thethikboy]

Traversing the history of important classics reduced me to tears. Too much Beauty. Maybe that's the criterion. And I know 90 percent of them.. But shame. you missed Scriabin

[@lorenzschmidt629]

Why does everybody always forget Mahlers 8th

[@nepsevdomim]

why must everybody remember Mahlers 8th?

[@jpopkeys]

chopin sonata 3 4th mvt, not 3rd

[@SkyLaec]

No 12 tone composers?

[@clink69]

my guy posts this and then doesn't know classical music LOL

[@taubenangriff]

Super interesting watch. some pieces, especially romantic era, were completely new to me, as they aren't that mainstream, 2nd row at best, in classical - you don't tend to encounter them as much, and they are at risk at becoming historical footnotes, so thank you very much, left a sub and a thumbsup. However, I'll allow myself some critique to perhaps open up a discussion, as I'd be very interested to hear your answer on this: I think your list is extremely biased towards the pieces that are taught in german music universities, which which tend to have an either elitist or nonexistant approach to the 20th century and beyond, the "nonexistant" approach often being the way of general music history classes. We are nearly 100 years beyond Schönberg, and still the cut is made right after him. You said yourself that you aren't a big fan of the 2nd viennese school - I get that, nobody is forced to like it, especially listening to it. Often times it's a giant pain. However, 2nd viennese school, as well as the rest of the 20th century is integral to classical music and should not be this disregarded. The impact here is more ideological and philosophical. After Romanticism and Programmatic music gave meaning, music that outright refuses any meaning (Cage, Stockhausen) is only a logical step. Adding a stilistic divergence and plurality unseen for ages, the post-WW2 classical world is a giant bag full of superb and interesting pieces, despite their lack of connection to their listener. Ironically, the less you think about it, the more everything sounds the same :D They are also key to understand why we are where we are today. Hans Zimmers Klang and texture composition isn't happening a vacuum, the classical approaches to parametricize Klang itself are based in serial thinking, Ligeti was the enabler who opened the door towards soundscapes. While we are at it, as a fellow John Williams enthusiast, give his 2nd Violin Concerto a listen if you haven't done that so far. Only after that I realized how much modernism is hidden away in plain sight in his scores, and how versatile his writing is. Not really in the themes, but the inbetween. (compare his Tuba concerto with the music at Jabbas Palace) Oh, and don't get me started on how the list didn't contain a single guitar piece, although as a guitar student, I might be HEAVILY biased on that ;)

[@construct3]

Yes, I was wondering what he would choose from Schönberg. I would suggest Pierrot lunaire. If we really wanted to go out on a limb, the violin concerto would be a good example of the 12-tone method. But how often in the violin concerto performed? I was also disappointed that Scriabin didn't make the cut. I've gotten really tired of the Poem of Ecstasy, but that may be an indication that it needs to be here. My being tired of it doesn't make it any less brilliant. It's also more accessible than Prometheus or the late piano sonatas.

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Interesting thought, still, as you said "despite their lack of connection to their listener. " if a piece can't create a connection to the listener, what is the intend of the piece then. I don't get it and I don't get the music. You could say, well exactly this should be the intend, but that does not make sense to me. Hans Zimmer catches the audience, they, and I, love the music, and even if Hans Zimmer developed his style out of Schönber and co, doesn't mean, that they were great composer or that these compositions are amazing. Maybe, they are just a means to an end so that other composers could pick up on them and then work with that material and make it better, maybe this style of music just needed more time to develop. As far as I'm concerned, 20th century music gets taught way too much in my opinion in music universities in Germany. But this is just my own person opinion, I'm just a guy on the internet...😂

[@taubenangriff]

@@Carl-FriedrichWelker A guy who clearly knows what he's talking about tho. Going back to the connection topic - One of the fundamental developments is that the pieces more and more rely on their connection to the composer instead of the listener, with the latter having to find or build the connection by themself (mainly talking about serialism and modernism). Ironically, either composers started to explain their pieces in such great detail that they published entire multi-page appendices, or they give no explanation at all, refusing the need to do so. It's not meant to be intuitive, meaning is deliberately hidden away, only to be discovered in close inspection - and intentionally vague. Definitive Interpretation is not possible, and that's often the point. As I said, listening to serialism, modernism, postmodernism and whatever else is a pain and I'd never ever put them on my daily playlists. But the pieces are what they are and they are ingenious in their own way. Accepting that nothing, no rule, no fundamental is set in stone doesn't mean breaking with tradition entirely, in fact, just watch how close 2nd viennese school pieces orient themselves in every way - except harmonically - on tradition, especially in form and gesture. The full breakup and replacement approaches came after that. Just recognizing how limited tradition is and that other worlds can coexist at the same time is an eyeopener. It's like the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse of music, everything can happen, so why not make it happen? Also, in order to break the rules, you must know them first, so deliberate refusal of tradition requires understanding tradition first. But even some serialists themselves have later stated that they want too far and that serialism was a failed experiment that won't stand the test of time, exactly because it kills all tradition. Does that make every single serialist piece pointless? Heavy Doubt. Recommendation: Check out Samuel Andreyev's yt channel on Schönberg and modern music in general. Or start listening to Schönberg in chronological order, starting with his early tonal pieces like Verklärte Nacht.

[@Proud_Troll]

Everything after 1800 sucks. I know every mozart piece you mentioned, but a lot less about anyone else.

[@aleksanderkalicki5518]

Ai sucks