Stop Saying the Diamonds Are Redeemed (Steven Universe: the Movie)

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[@RoundtableVids]

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[@thomas9368]

No u

[@wehweh6791]

saltier than s1 pearl

[@claire1391]

The Roundtable Pepper

[@joaovazquez7757]

The Roundtable very much salt

[@SoapyWater813]

Like Pearl

[@rebelappliance771]

The diamonds aren’t redeemed. They’re just no longer a threat.

[@traehjacquet2720]

That's true

[@NonsensicalTrickster]

This

[@iannations2543]

they gotta earn that redemption.

[@Mr.Cynical]

... But is that better?

[@Reckno64]

Bout f**king time someone said it. The term "redeemed" is thrown around so much that it's lost all meaning at this point.....

[@cemintation]

Why is it that the diamonds aren’t genocidal after slaughtering millions of their own people and fusing them together in a horrific experiment?

[@yeah-hs9fr]

the biggest bruh moment in this comment section.

[@TheMightySceptile]

Also they were still planning on destroying the earth and all life on it. They just got stopped.

[@barboraklepalova3886]

I think genocide means intentionally eliminating NATIONS. So they aren't technically genocidal since organic life isn't really a nation and gem They shattered were their own kind. But I could be wrong so...

[@TheMightySceptile]

@@barboraklepalova3886 Genocide is just the intentional killing of a very large group of people, usually of the same ethnicity. So i would say trying to blow up the earth is attempted genocide

[@siyuanyan9332]

Barbora Klepalová and not only referring to organic life forms, how about the shattering of crystal gems (and fusing them into the cluster) and the active discrimination against the off colors?

[@Yamibakurakitty4]

genocidal adjective relating to or involving the deliberate killing of a large group of people of a particular nation or ethnic group. "a genocidal dictator" Sounds like the diamond's to me....

[@greenamber9827]

When did they genocide?

[@Yamibakurakitty4]

@greenamber9827 The off colors, any gem with a defect, hell a huge chunnk of the original crystal gems were shattered and stuck together. The cluster may not have actually destroyed the planet, but that was its intended purpose. And you know that would've killed everything and everyone on the planet.

[@Lowkeylie]

@@greenamber9827”I want my Cluster. And I want that planet to die.” -direct quote from Yellow Diamond. Y’all really trying to act like she was just a standard bad person instead of trying to, I dunno, _destroy the entire earth_ Like damn. I genuinely like Steven Universe but people are twisting themselves into pretzels to rationalize the Diamonds’s heel face turn.

[@greenamber9827]

@@Lowkeylie She said nothing about humans. The whole Cluster arc isn't driven by Yellow hating humans, it's about her not caring about an ecosystem and her unhealthy grieving methods. The whole show has environmentalist themes that many viewers ignore.

[@Lowkeylie]

@@greenamber9827Her motivations _really_ do not matter in this context. She knew earth had sentient life. She hated it for taking Pink from her sure, but she was hellbent on destroying the planet in revenge and wiping out all traces of it and all the gems and organic life that had a hand in it in the process. If trying to exterminate an entire group of people out of malice is not genocide, please explain to me what is.

[@MobDraws69]

Diamonds: Come on! We’ve changed! Steven: You’ve learned nothing.

[@devildnevercry]

I have a comment in here somewhere you might like.

[@StareachValcin]

Not sure if the diamonds didn't learn anything. It will take time.

[@loregoblin3854]

Change Your Mind still resulted in one of the _worst pacing issues_ of the whole show. let's think about what "Change Your Mind" actually means as a title. a lot of people think it means that Steven changed the minds of all three of the diamonds to make them start caring about the error of their ways and trying to fix their mistakes, but it's honestly way more nuanced than that. what Steven had to do was convince the diamonds to listen to him. and that should've taken way longer than it did, because it _should NOT have been a given._ even if he is a diamond! when the diamonds first found out that Steven was Pink's son, they didn't even really find _that_ out at all... they thought that Steven was just a new reformation of Pink. they called Steven Pink, they expected him to have the same character "flaws" as Pink, and they started treating him the same way they treated Pink before she even left. Yellow in particular instantly wrote off Pink's "faked death" as just some stunt that she pulled as a cheap bid for attention. Yellow was much more ready to put the past behind her and move forward about Pink... she lays out her position pretty clearly in "what's the use of feeling blue" so like, just go watch that to see how willing she'd be to actually change her actions based on her affection for Pink. I think the SU writing team did too good a job of characterizing the diamonds as having a one track mind that will steamroll the desires of others... including, historically, Pink Diamond herself. Pink literally had to run away and fake her own shattering because they wouldn't listen to her no matter what she said or how hard she tried. and before you say that the trauma of thinking they lost her would phase the diamonds, I will say that I'd maybe believe that for Blue, but it would be wildly out of character for either of the other two. when Steven appears before White for the first time, she's basically like "oh, you're back. did you have your fun? get it all out of your system? are you ready to settle down yet?" like this was nothing. and at the end of the movie Yellow literally laughs at Spinel and says that 6,000 years is nothing. you know... a little over exactly the amount of time that they've thought that Pink was dead? so Pink's faked death could've been a stunt pulled over the equivalent of maybe like a year (?) from the perspective of the diamonds. the diamonds are not a monolith. Blue, Yellow, and White are different people with different capacities for, and reactions to, trauma. I could see changing Blue's mind enough to get her to listen to Pink, after an episode like this... but not all in one episode! and what _really_ throws a wrench in all of this is that Steven is Steven. he's not even the Pink they knew! he's even younger, and even less of an ideal person to wield the kind of power that they were already reluctant to give to Pink... and look what Pink did with the power they gave her in the first place! literally, what incentive do they have to let Steven hold any sway over their thinking? he might be a lion, but he's a cub, and White is the true leader of the pack. I could much more easily imagine them becoming extra coddling and protective over him, so that something like this wouldn't happen again, while not changing anything because technically everything that happened just points to the idea that they were right all along. When White was literally willing to yank Steven's gem out, because she valued having Pink back over having something that looked like Steven, I think it's obviously gonna result in tonal whiplash if she instantly starts valuing Steven when she learns that she can't have what she really wants (Pink Diamond). and especially when the line that actually Changes Her Mind is the "no, you're acting like a kid" line from Steven. up until that point, White had been all fighty, and _that_ was the line that took all the fight out of her. which literally just doesn't make any sense. the diamonds needed an arc. they needed time, and they needed work. they needed to not get treated like all three of them are the same character. they don't have the same issues, therefore, they cannot be solved with the same solution. they had very weak reasons for switching from treating Steven dismissively, the same way they did with Pink, to suddenly taking him very seriously and risking upsetting everything that had been working so well for them for such a long time. this was rushed writing. and before anyone even gets on me about this, I actually LOVE the diamonds in their villainous roles! I'm just asking for _more of that please._ like, you can redeem them later, that's fine, I don't even care! just give me more of that good active antagonism! the diamonds have barely even had a chance to be named characters with faces, voices, and personalities... and they all had so much potential to be really cool villains! so much squandered potential, because now they just seem wishy washy! I wanted to see White Diamond being all creepy and domineering, like the other mother from Coraline! I wanted White Diamond to use her brainwashing ability to mind control a room full of gems and turn them into a full choir to back up some really super grandiose villain song! I wanted to see more of Blue being actually mysterious the way she seemed when she first appeared... I especially loved Blue's aesthetic ties to fae folk... I was looking forward to seeing that leveraged as a force of antagonism! I wanted to explore Yellow's personality as someone who is just more rough and tumble than the other two diamonds in general... like maybe her whole court is just a more fighty sort of environment, wherein she values strength and power. there was just so much wasted material with the diamonds, and putting them on relatively amicable terms with Steven just makes them seem too tame to really ham it up with their respective personalities at the forefront.

[@StareachValcin]

@@loregoblin3854 you make a lot of great points and I agree in the case of White Diamond that her changing her mind was rushed. In fact, I felt that Steven should not have been able to change White Diamond's mind during "change your mind", but I think in the case of Yellow Diamond and especially Blue Diamond, changing their minds was fine. In Blue Diamond's case, she was willing to side with Steven to make up for hurting Pink Diamond, something Blue Diamond clearly never wanted to do and she realized she had done to Pink Diamond. In the case of Yellow Diamond, I don't think Steven would've been able to sway her to his side without Blue Diamond, due to the fact that Yellow Diamond really cared a lot for Blue Diamond, possibly more than Pink Diamond. White Diamond's case is more that she had to face the fact that she was wrong, because after removing Pink's gem from Steven, she expected Pink Diamond to return, but instead the gem took the form of Steven. White Diamond tried to take control of the situation by forcing her will onto Steven's gem half, but to no avail. After Steven's human and gem halves combined back together, White Diamond threw a tantrum as her way of not accepting that she was wrong. I still think that White Diamond should have had more time to change her mind and it could have been done better. At the very least, I think Blue Diamond and Yellow Diamond were handled great.

[@loregoblin3854]

@@StareachValcin I agree except for the fact that I still think it all happened way too fast. I wanted each of the diamonds to have an arc, meaning that each mind changed would have at least one episode for the actual change in perspective, plus possibly some supplementary episodes to address specific issues. for example, I think Blue's arc could've revolved around her wanting to go back to exactly how things were. not only in terms of treating Steven just like Pink, but in terms of not updating how she would treat Pink, in spite of everything that happened. Blue could get over this fairly quickly as her nostalgia gives way to potential frustration at not understanding Pink's actions, or why things turned out this way... and then realizing that Steven is different than Pink when she sees that Steven doesn't fully understand Pink's choices either. he's not her. and in fact, Blue finds Steven perhaps more relatable to her than Pink ever was, because he understands what it's like to remember Pink in a complicated way. I think Yellow's arc then could've revolved around being frustrated with Blue. she and Blue had been really close in the aftermath of Pink's disappearance... possibly closer than they'd ever been. but Yellow still was pushing for Blue to snap out of her depression and get with the program, because Yellow seems like she got over her grief by distracting herself with her work. and that means that while the two were there for each other, Yellow might not have been able to fully empathize with Blue, or her methods of working through this crisis. in addition to that, Yellow also seems to be the main diamond involved with conquest and expansion of their empire... meaning that while she had previously taken pride in this as an accomplishment, Steven is directly asking her to consider it a failure instead. this would be incredibly difficult for her to accept, independent of all other feelings she has about Blue, White, or even Pink. how much of her existence will she have wasted if she admits that this was wrong? wasn't it worth creating all these gems that exist today, even if she had to desecrate planets in order to make the kindergartens that produced them? and if she really does consider all of this to be wrong... could she ever be forgiven? for Yellow, not admitting that she was wrong might be the only barrier between her and several confidence-shattering revalations. these could've been really compelling questions, if the show had even taken the time to ask them... much less answer them. and as for White... I would love to explore how cold and alien she really is. like maybe this isn't an ideology thing so much as it is a biology thing for her... she is ancient. by my understanding, she is the progenitor of their species. perhaps, as gems have strayed further and further from her image, (that of the original gem), they have become less and less like her. less and less standardized, and less and less perfect. theoretically, the climax could involve Steven asking White why she doesn't just brainwash everyone in all of gem society. then they'd be as perfect as she wants them to be... because right now they aren't. and they never will be. they're just hiding their flaws and imperfections out of fear, but beneath that, everyone has flaws, and that's okay. but White takes it as advice, rather than a rhetorical question, and actually decides to brainwash everyone. to which Steven takes it a step further and asks why she even needs all these extra bodies. she is already a perfect being... why corrupt her perfection with all these add-ons? to which she just smiles blankly, stops everything, and disappears into the vacuum of space... because that made as much sense to her as anything. this is, of course, only one possible direction you could go from the original concept of White Diamond, but it's also an example of how to preserve the unsettling intimidation factor of her first appearance, all the way up through her "defeat" and all while commenting on what it means to be a thinking and feeling creature, and why that matters so much. and if any of this were to get properly addressed, each diamond would need breathing room within the narrative. to have all three change their tune so heavily in one episode was just too much. even if it had been just Yellow and Blue it would be too much. there was too much information established too solidly prior to this, that had to reroute itself too quickly. and especially because Steven Universe had established a pretty laid back pace for the story in the whole rest of the show. important plot moments would be broken up by large amounts of other episodes that had more to do with the characters and their problems outside the context of intergalactic conflict. love it or hate it, the "filler" made the show take it's time... which makes Change Your Mind stick out like a sore thumb for all the stuff it crams in.

[@hamuhhh8510]

white diamond feels like a dramatic grandma in the movie

[@Kamodomon]

Oh she totally is. "Steven, why don't you call or visit anymore? Grandma White Diamond misses you" lol

[@paperbag8790]

DistantEchos is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[@angrybrony]

@@paperbag8790 it's the best thing.

[@p0l4r0ids3]

This is so true its funny

[@ayolotl4830]

I've heard that she's like the racist grandma at the family barbecue

[@nicholaswittkopp7624]

Maybe what the Diamonds need is more character development, and maybe season six will provide that. And we all know that if anyone can make Blue, Yellow, and White feel sorry for what they've done... its Steven.

[@lunabruce1804]

Yeah

[@zachbahamutson5477]

I still feel like they need to give some more character development to pink diamond I mean yes she was a bad person but she was a bad person trying to do good things because she wanted to do what was right in some shape or form.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Yeah, this is when we come to one of the big flaws of the show; stapling itself to Steven's perspective. Because character development only seems to happen if Steven visits a character and stories are made if Steven either is present or told about it, this meant that you had stories where Steven had to be in them or Characters just wouldn't develop. It also didn't help that Steven, for the most part, was a passive player in his own story, lying on the beach until something literally walked by him. Plus, just as a thing, Rose only appears in flashbacks of people who were positively biased towards her because, well, she's dead. Sadly, unless Steven discovered time travel, since the rejuvenator didn't reset his gem fully, or he makes an effort to go see the diamonds, we won't get that.

[@itscosmicnerd]

Honestly character development doesn’t just wash away the genocide that the diamonds committed. They still committed a horrible crime. No “power of friendship” can wipe that away.

[@reneegordon66]

Season 6 is the time before the movie season 7 & 8 is what happens after the movie, which were could possibly show more character development of the diamonds but there will be more important focuses on season 7&8 ( spoiler )

[@PauloJrchannel]

"If you didn't fit in that place, you were shattered. Was it awful? Of course. Does that make them genocidal tyrants?" *YES!*

[@gheata_playz874]

its doesn't, its awful yes but they have rules, its bad yes but its not genocidal

[@wha6688]

@@gheata_playz874 So the diamonds having the lives of gems ended, due to these gems not being a certain way, is not a genocide? I have to disagree with this point due to what I know of the Holocaust, a genocide. Jewish people were slain because they were different in the wrong way in Hitler’s eyes, a similar if not the exact same reason the Diamonds had some gems shattered, for being different in the wrong way. I hope I could convince you of my point, but if you have something else to say on the matter, I would love to hear your view.

[@gheata_playz874]

@@wha6688 yes, as to how if people in our world didn't act or be a certain way they're in the wrong, its not really genocidal, tyranny yes but not really genocidal, the definition of genocidal and tyranny are very different

[@wha6688]

@@gheata_playz874 I do have another way to argue my point, but if you don’t want to, don’t feel a need to read it. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. I can think of two ways the diamonds have done this. 1) The diamonds actively try to exterminate off colors 2) The diamonds also tried to exterminate all gems on planet earth, due to most on the planet wanting to protect it. Again I hope I was able to change your mind, but if you are able to, I would love to see an explanation as to why they may not be genocidal.

[@gheata_playz874]

@@wha6688 1. Not all, there have been some who didn't get shattered ex. Skinny and Carnelian 2. they tried to exterminate gems that were a part of the crystal gems aka the gems that were against them, the ones that were a part of their army were assigned to leave the planet immediately and the reason they did that was a last-ditch effort in the war for Earth and because of the "destruction" of one of their own (Pink Diamond) and the loss of her colony, Earth again tyranny and genocidal have very different meanings, also didn't Ian-Jones Quartney specifically said on Twitter that Earth was the first world the Diamonds ever encountered with intelligent life, everywhere else just had animals and flora?

[@k.delisabeth9608]

Something that my moms therapist told her is that regarding family members that were toxic ” it’s important to love them within a box.” That’s exactly what Steven does in the movie. He still wants to stay in contact and everything but he sets down boundaries when they start trying to smother him, correcting any of their bs, and not letting them guilt him into anything. He stands his ground and is patient with them. This show is healthy af.

[@danielacastaneda4377]

I think people are getting redemption mixed with Character development. A character can still develop even without being redeemed in the proper story.

[@Kamodomon]

I agree with this. There is a lot of people not understanding what redemption means or other things about narrative elements.

[@dallama2616]

its the fact that thousands of years of colonization and ruining planets were just overlooked after steven gave white diamond a pep talk

[@pokebreederrichard1200]

The diamonds are in character development but they are redeeming themselves in the process.

[@dallama2616]

@@pokebreederrichard1200 ok yea i get that the diamonds are trying to get better but the fact that they were so easily convinced is dumb. they tried to murder steven several times and one talk from steven changes white diamond's mind. I think blue is fine because she's just in mourning. yellow's character changes a lot depending on who is writing the episode but she clearly enjoyed colonization and being superior to others so it'd make no sense for her to go against white or want to give up her ways.

[@lunabruce1804]

Yeah

[@hamer5171]

The diamonds sounded like my evil manipulative grandmother I agree their no where near redeemed or anywhere close to trust worthy characters

[@hamer5171]

I think their just hiding their atrocities from Steven now

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

Saying "evil grandma" made me think of a Supervillain grandma who schemes to take over the world lol

[@theskeptic777]

I'd give it about 3 episodes.

[@siaskies1704]

White Diamond reminds me of my own evil grandmother, so I truly feel you.

[@siaskies1704]

@Bevon Austson evil grandmother twins

[@miguelavendano8818]

Blue Diamond- “ I never shatter, I never make anyone cry” she says it like she doesn’t understand the severity of shattering by emphasizing cry. Also, there are gem shards that were stripped of their autonomy and forced to fuse.

[@rafaelmanzo9497]

I thought she says, "I never shutter,"

[@EpicEmberOriginal]

I still think White Diamond was handled very poorly. She was the shows main villain and was built up for 5 damn seasons and yet she had like 10 minutes of screen time before saying 'Yeah, you're right, we messed up.' and reversing what might be millennia of empire building.

[@angel-nv7jk]

I agree, they still have a long way to go to redemption

[@lordseelenfresserdemonking1168]

Yeah...remember the forces fuzed gem shards? That was pretty messed up

[@90swifi99]

Angel 101 ya people sentered all the hate on pink diamond but there just like ya the others are fiiiiiiiiiine

[@Kamodomon]

@@90swifi99 Yeah, that was the weird thing. The Diamonds never felt remorse, they just wanted their family back. Pink at least tried to save lives.

[@Kamodomon]

And she mostly succeeded too. Humans are still alive and we have to guess, doing very well for themselves.

[@Ms1977beauty]

Not blue diamond she kind of is redeemed

[@Rivr_Shen]

their redemption arc is beginning. they can still go either way right now.

[@camrynsean7559]

Wouldn’ That just invalidate all of change your mine

[@Rivr_Shen]

Camryn Sean no. im saying that they COULD return to their original views if something goes wrong.

[@Kamodomon]

@@camrynsean7559 Change your mind wasn't about the diamonds. It was about Steven finally, truly being okay with himself and leave his mom's shadow behind. That was the point of Change your Mind. Not that you will, but if you want to, Steven will be there no matter what cause your opinion and views on him won't change how he sees and feels about himself.

[@lunabruce1804]

Yeah

[@Naiadryade]

I'd really like to see, in Steven's efforts to get the Diamonds to actually understand the ways and ethos of the Crystal Gems, a Green Diamond fusion attempt.

[@hentesgyik95]

I dunno, the "Cluster" and its soul purpose sounds quite genocidal to me. A weapon that can destroy an entire planet and its inhabitants by just taking form. Not to mention the Corruption was originally intented to eradicate all the problematic gems on the surface of Earth. And speaking of Cluster, don't forget the forced gem-fusion experiments, which were some of the darkest aspects of the show, yet they got totally forgotten at the time of Legs from here to Homeworld, as a problem that should be fixed too.

[@ollie2111]

There are like 4 or 5 ways at minimum that the Diamond rule was genocidal. I'm not saying you can't try to redeem whoever you want, but don't paint them in a better light. They were all extremely genocidal. • they made the cluster • they tried to wipe off all life on earth again, including their own people with what ended in corruption • they have killed a total of billions of species across hundred of planets • the most blatant instance of genocide: they tried to murder all off colors, members of their own species who they deemed "lesser". Guess who also deemed people of their own kind "lesser" and tried to commit genocide- Nazis/Hitler. The fact that they saw all these lifeforms as lesser does not change the fact that its genocide, in fact it falls in line with what real life people who commited genocide deluded themselves into believing. If they wanted to put them on the path to redemption, they need write it better. Even if they're not supposed to be considered redeemed yet, the way their shift was written was so bad. Specially White, but also Yellow. As least Blue made more sense given what we saw about her character, and Yellow had more time to develop even if her character was really inconsistent, with her saying she never liked the colonization, even though in early episodes she clearly did and showed no indication of being scared of the regime.

[@ReblazeGaming]

@@ollie2111 With all that they did, they shouldn't have even attempted to redeem them at all. They don't deserve it, never in a million years. Not even Blue. They literally committed some of the worst evils you can commit and did it over multiple planets and thousands of years. The fact that they started to redeem them/ show them in a positive way and overlook their crimes is crazy to me. As positive and child friendly Disney is, back in the day even they wouldn't do something that dumb. They'd at least kill their villains off by idk "falling off a cliff" if they didn't want to make the protagonist do it themselves.

[@ktm1125]

If the closest person in the world to you, got killed (so you thought) by a group of people that also plan to kill you (*cough* bismuth *cough*) wouldn't you yourself perhaps take action against that if you could? Both for self preservation, and revenge. The Diamonds were awful, and what they did could not be excused, but never the less they did have their reasons, and they did love pink (in the abusive way). Not to mention, the reason Blue grieved so much, was because she thought she was the reason Pink got killed. (When Steven went to the moon after Lapis, he dreamt and had one of Pink's memories in which Blue says: "But this is what you wanted. You begged us for a colony of your own. And now, all you want to do is be rid of it. First, there were too many organics, then their cities were too difficult to dismantle, a-and now these... Crystal Gems? We're tired of your excuses, Pink. This Rose Quartz can't hurt you. You can't be swayed by a few unruly Gems. Enough! *tries to cheer Pink up* You must understand. You... are a Diamond. Everyone on this planet is looking to you. You don't even have to do anything. Just smile, and wave. Show everyone you are unfazed by this little uprising." So in Blue's mind, she herself sent Pink (the single most important gem to her in the entire universe, who she genuinely loved) to her death... That's really gotta weigh down on you man...

[@Vascohll]

@@ktm1125 why the hell would you wipe out an entire planet instead of just the people that were involved in the killing of that closest person, if you truly cared that much about their death you'd put in the effort to find out the culprits involved and it's not like the crystal gems are hard to find since they make themselves known quite a bit by a lot of different gems and humans. and even before pink "died" they were still conquering several other planets and destroying life on those planets

[@ktm1125]

@Vascohll U don't even know the story lmao. The cluster was made after the diamond blast. The blast with which the diamonds were sure they already killed l the crystal gems. Also, I was talking about Blue. Yellow made the cluster. It's been 4 months, get a life please. Or at least make concise points.

[@sqwertt8605]

“Imagine the closest person in your family” “Now imagine the died” “Now imagine they had a child you didn’t know existed” Ok now I know this goes against the point of this but I’m fairly sure my 7 year old brother doesn’t have a child

[@charlottefitton6518]

One girl got pregnant at five, it is very possible.

[@sqwertt8605]

@@charlottefitton6518 ah yes but you see the female sex matures sexualy much faster then the male

[@DavidJoh]

He won't be seven forever.

[@sempaiiwacky9542]

Spinel became a fan favorite in 1 minute *PINK DIAMOND HAS LEFT THE CHAT*

[@krispy4119]

yEs

[@eze9775]

Spinel was cool for the beginning of the movie now she's ok

[@dragonempress8367]

@@eze9775 how is she okay?

[@roxuum]

it’s what she deserves

[@lazrinproject3001]

HyperPotato! :3 *Y U P*

[@UmbraeNacht]

"Owning up to responsibility" Something Pink never did.

[@aaronjones6299]

Yae why own up and become a tyrant when you can run away and fight for what's right.

[@aaronjones6299]

@Devinn you mean when she finally found love in Greg and wanted to make new life with him after years of no diamond forces attacking and having loyal fighters there to help Steven learn.

[@aaronjones6299]

@Devinn here are a few things you got wrong. First spinal was the only one she left for selfish reason and that was before she learned to appreciate life, bismuth wanted to shatter gems something she was against and bismuth attacked her maybe even shatter her so what was she supposed to do and she didn't even want to do that to her, and leaving Pearl to suffer was not selfish because how was she supposed to Know Pearl was that obsessed with her, and did you see what happened when her secret was revealed her not keeping secrets would make the whole rebellion point less as the rebellion would vide over it and the diamonds would know that she was pink if they captured a gem and forced them to talk, and when starting a war against what's wrong with the empire home world chasing you down is to be expected but the gems fighting for what is right did it any way because they wanted to be free. And only when it benefits her I am sure her bubbling currupt gems in hope for them to be healed in the future after she failed to heal them is 100% selfish I guess. And she didn't want to dump all the responsibility on Steven she had Steven because she genuinely loved Greg and wanted to make new life with him I guess she not aloud to have live now and she was childish but we see that she grew in responsibility over the years but still had some of her childish treats and I am pretty sure not shattering other games is not selfish.

[@KingOfGaymes]

She’s dead, she can’t really do that. At least Steven fixed things. She probably knew she couldn’t do it. If rose hadn’t died to birth Steven, none of the good things he’s done would’ve happened. I think rose somehow knew her child could make things better. I highly doubt she gave up her life and everything she loved just for fun

[@UmbraeNacht]

@@aaronjones6299 She was worse than a tyrant, she was a spoiled brat given power over an entire planet and many gems.

[@SeymourDisapproves]

So Yellow "I want that planet to die" Diamond never planned to do a genocide? Aight.

[@AchiBellarosa464]

I have a perfect antithesis to the idea that villains can’t be likeable: Hades from Hercules.

[@ashebennett7726]

Achi Bellarosa exactly! He's my favorite!

[@Madison-jm4oo]

Bill cipher Edit: I commented this before finishing the vide oof

[@archmagus8384]

Achi Bellarosa But we can safely like Hades because we got to see him fail and lose after he got the snot beat out of him. No consequences for the diamonds.

[@christopherpoff4117]

@@archmagus8384 Besides dismantling their empire and becoming redundant in their own society. The Pearls snickering at White Diamond -- of all gems -- her time being up? I think what people are complaining want is they want to see retribution. Retribution isn't redemption, it isn't justice and it isn't consequences.

[@archmagus8384]

But they did that by their own choice like it was flippantly easy. “Oh I dismantled my army ho hum isn’t that what you wanted”. We never got to see them defeated and the justification that they were too powerful just seems weak because Hades, a god, Bill Cypher, no matter how strong the hero pulls off the win. They’re too powerful to beat seems like a hopeless message and I don’t think Steven universe should be hopeless. This idea that you can’t stop your abuser and the best you can hope for is live and let live and hope they don’t get mad because what they did didn’t make Steven instantly love and want to live with them like they wanted.

[@camrynsean7559]

The diamonds shattered millions of gems( the cluster )and caused the corruption of the gems. What you forgot to add was that Blue diamond said that they thought it would kill all of the gems. And by the way making up for a mistake to made is not a consequence it is the bare minimum.

[@lyonsin2535]

The cluster was made from shattered gems that fallen from the war

[@samuelmatheson9655]

@@lyonsin2535 Imagine if our world leaders took fallen soilders from a major way and turned there bodies into a giant meaty nuke, That is the cluster

[@LambentLight00]

The bare minimum could still be a part of their consequences, though. They’re not mutually exclusive.

[@ammierose4211]

You forgot in jungle moon when yellow diamond explicitly said that she didnt care about the organic life, or when blue was going to shatter ruby for fusing with sapphire, or the entire cluster arc. The diamonds Are genocidal

[@Obsolete.videos]

I want don’t want the diamonds “redeemed”. They made such good villains for me 😫 They made such awesome dictators. I love the evil diamonds 💎

[@poemboigenesis4435]

Yeah. People need to learn that every villain shouldn't be redeemed. I mean, they CAN be redeemed, but redeeming a villain depends on what type of villain they're supposed to be, like if they're a sympathetic villain, then yes, they can be redeemed. But if the villain was just evil for the sake of it, then redeeming them would make no sense!

[@crazy13alex]

@@poemboigenesis4435 But they weren't evil for the sake of it. In context to the Diamonds, this comment seems like a contradiction of the show.

[@harrywilliams683]

@@crazy13alex why were they evil then

[@poemboigenesis4435]

@@harrywilliams683 To have the story move forward. It's like Rebecca was trying to foreshadow that the Diamonds weren't evil, Rose Quartz A.K.A. Pink Diamond was, when White, Blue, and Yellow did some awful things as well

[@harrywilliams683]

@@poemboigenesis4435 how is corrupting and shattering gems not evil

[@spyroJM]

it's more like rehabilitating their own ways and I think Steven is a family councilor

[@NeonPegasus1979]

Me too. They're far from fully redeemed, but Steven will help them.

[@GemCB7]

this is upseting :'(

[@lrich1104]

They're still diamonds in the rough uwu

[@deucedaz8300]

l rich Did you reaallly need to do that? Now I wanna watch Aladdin again...

[@leondyer3855]

or just, the rough...

[@geoleo965]

Bless you.

[@Solqueen86]

You can polish a nazi till it shines but it's still shit

[@krisdeltarun]

Hamilton war flashbacks just came back to me-

[@KingOfGaymes]

Remember, all three diamonds shattered gems (especially blue who the fandom loves cuz uwu she’s depressed was called a shatterer by ruby) and took over planets that probably had life on them, killed entire species probably But Pink is the worst one cuz she tried to do something good and just went about it badly.. and she didn’t know better because of how she was taught.. and was abused... Nobody in her situation would do things well.. but at least she tried.. she’s the only diamond who wanted to make things better...

[@anannoyinganomaly2079]

Yes! Exactly! Right! ❤👍

[@anannoyinganomaly2079]

Like! Like! Like! Like! Like! Like! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ktm1125]

Pink always tried to become better. And yes, would there have been better ways to protect earth? Sure. But people don't take into account the fact that the only way she could oppose the other diamonds, was through the persona of Rose Quartz. She was probably so terrified of them (they did abuse her for thousands of years, both physically and mentally), that if they knew that she was actually Rose... she couldn't muster the strenght to stand up to them (much less fight against them) just because of the fear they instillied in her. But through Rose, she was free. She was the rebellious gem who found herself, and who didn't care what anyone thought! The gem who was going to drive the diamonds off of earth and save it! Pink and Rose, always tried to do what she thought was best, and even though, most times that was flawed because of the own upbrining and baggage, in the end she was redeemed herself. She gave up on herself, to channel the power of the greatest thing in the universe (to her), the power of a human... to change. And that power, the power to change, and grow, eventually fixed everything.

[@starvoltnexus3139]

I thought maybe it was Sapphire who called her that

[@jeshuarestituyo284]

There's something you forgot to mentioning and it's something you've already mentioned several times before, the fact that homeworld has an army. If humans are really the first sentient and intelligent life form the diamond have encountered then why the need of having several armies and such? And even if it's for defense again you said how humans are possible the first intelligent life form they've found meaning they would not know about other intelligent life forms out there but themselves then why neeed of an army? So I very much believe they are indeed genocidal and have conquered and battle other planets with humanoid life forms.

[@abeluli89]

Thats how war works? The world has done that before.

[@abeluli89]

I also think that when he said that he meant intelligible life during COLONIZATION. So yes you even said it yourself its for defense. What are they supposed to do let themselves be defeated?

[@mehmetalireyhan8436]

@@abeluli89 he is talking about the point that roundtable says about there not existing intelligent life therefore not bad his answer is why would they have an army if there is no intelligent life

[@Pablo_Martin_aa]

@@mehmetalireyhan8436 good measures?

[@sonoio869]

@@Pablo_Martin_aa doesnt add up 'cause if you consider what was explained only via twitter or tumblr (already shows the "genius" talent of theese writers by the way) they considered weird that on a planet could live intelligent species. If you consider the canon decision (the one shown obviousley by the show) they had an army only because they killed intelligent life for millennia.

[@dryrailsandsmoothrunning3310]

I'd like to respectfully disagree with the point that they weren't genocidal. Genocide has been used throughout history to kill people who didn't fit into a supposed place in society. It is systematic and against others of our own species. The diamonds used genocide to eradicate gems who didn't fit into their idea of a perfect society. For example the off colors, they could've been capable members of the gem world, but because they look different they were immediately ostracized and shattered. Hell you can even argue that "off-colors" in itself is a slur. Good video anyways! Just wanted to state my opinion! ( ´ ▽ ` )

[@HannahStarella]

Tianna Antoine *cough cough* The cluster COUGH COUGH

[@archmagus8384]

Who made organic killing goo and why? The diamonds? Who else would -_-

[@warhorse5152]

-Not to mention the number of planets they’ve destroyed. -Countless Species they’ve drove To EXTINCTION. -Even Turning against their own when shit don’t go their way (Cluster🤨)

[@tobiasbayer4866]

"could've been capable members of the gem world" *looks at Padparadscha*

[@Decembirth]

Except this type of thinking became present only after the "shattering" of one of their own. Of course they would want to quash any form of rebellious behavior before it happens again. Their issues with Earth is personal while prior it was business.

[@ericemigh3869]

I really have trouble accepting that the Diamonds would ever seriously implement all the changes that Steven is asking for, even with him manipulating them. I never wanted them to be shattered, but it feels trite to accept that an empire ruled by semi-immortal, wholly unaccountable monarchs is fine now that one of said monarchs is a nice person. An assurance that Steven had set up some sort of check on their power while he was gone would have been a nice throw-away line. Also, if I may nitpick the genocide comment, the Diamonds definitely knew that the Earth was inhabited by sapient life when they decided to blow it up with The Cluster. Plus they only spared the Rose Quartzes because they were mementoes of Pink, suggesting they'd be fine with wiping out a less emotionally fraught line of gems.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Speaking of those Quartzes (probably created for Pink to bubble), where were they?

[@ketsu4435]

I think people often forget how old.the diamonds are. The emotional trauma that comes with mourning a person for so long (while not getting help, none of them ever got over pink, they are STILL not over it, they just found a replacement to fill thehl hole, a coping mechanism) cannot be explained. Really at this point anything could happen The diamonds indulged Pink A LOT. And imagin your child runs away, you mourn it and it come back a few millenias later. You are desperate and would try anything to keep them home. Really, pink Is more important to them (emotionally) than their empire. It's not a good charactertrait, but it's absolutely believable. Just my take, I had to say this

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@ketsu4435 I can understand it to some degree. The issue is that we'd rarely see this in flashbacks as those were solely from the perspective of either Pink or friends/slaves of pink.

[@ericemigh3869]

@@ketsu4435 I understand that the Diamonds are traumatized and therefore susceptible to Steven's demands, but relying on emotional manipulation to achieve long-lasting societal change strikes a wrong chord with me, particularly since Steven is refusing to stay with the Diamonds and endure their dysfunctions, thereby proving to them that not even following his instructions will given them the emotional outlet they want. So what's to stop the Diamonds from just going back to the way things were once they realize nothing will ever please him they way they want? Spinel? I don't think she's in a good state to bare that kind of emotional baggage, never mind kept the empire from regressing. But more than that, I'm annoyed that Steven doesn't appear to have any plans to overhaul the system so there's some sort of check on the Diamonds. Especially since it's clear he has no interest in sticking around to keep a permanent eye on them. We began this series with three unaccountable tyrants in power, and, as of the movie, we end it with three tyrants in power, plus a well-meaning sixteen-year-old who kind of wants to get on with his life. And he absolutely has the right to do that! But he should at least be working to ensure that eons-old trauma isn't the only thing keeping the Diamonds in line before assuming that he's reach his happy ending. And yes, I know the point of the movie was Steven learning that happily-ever-after doesn't exist, but it would've been nice to know there was something in the works to decentralize the empire's power.

[@ericemigh3869]

@ExpAwesome I meant sapient, and have corrected my comment. I'm not sure "it doesn't count as genocide if the killers view their victims as wholly lesser lifeforms" is really a road we want to go down, but I take your point. The Diamonds obviously are not literally Hitlers. I just think the video brushed aside the idea that the Diamonds would ever kill a sapient race a bit quickly considering one of the show's big plot points was them trying to wipe out the vast majority of a sapient race, even if they didn't view that race as sapient.

[@_Rhatsody]

Just because he said "very rare" doesn't mean they didn't attack And conquer intelligent life on other planets. Leaving a statement ambiguous does not mean it didn't happen

[@EctoZ]

Genocidal doesnt just apply to humanoid and sentient beings, it applies to the wiping out of all life on any planet they touch, for essentially no reason, as it doesnt benefit them in the slightest.

[@beam_0f_lovee]

"no reason" did you mean to expand their colony lmao?

[@EctoZ]

@@beam_0f_lovee the point of the expansion of a colony is so that said species does not die out, gems do not die, even when shattered.

[@beam_0f_lovee]

@@EctoZ diamonds shattering their own species lol

[@ktm1125]

@@EctoZ They were doing what they thought was best of their own kind.... And we don't know the scale at which the diamonds operated. Were they the only intergalactic species in the whole galaxy? Probably not, especially since we know prior to steven, a thing called "The Intergalatic War" was going on. Like Peridot stated, a succesful earth colony would have given life to millions of gems, and would have helped their empire. In spite of eradicating a whole other species.

[@Lowkeylie]

Even if we limit it to just sapient or humanoid life. Yellow tried to wipe out the Earth with the Cluster. Yellow knew there was sapient life on earth from the rebellion and Pink Diamond. Yellow attempted to commit genocide. Period.

[@gay.cannibal]

I think the main gripe people have is that the diamonds are shown in that likable manner that you mentioned, despite the implications of them being awful, as people would view that as undermining what they've done. It's not wrong to make antagonists likable as you said but after being built up as tyrants with no regard for life, it can come off as very "glossed over" when they're suddenly so easily likable post Change Your Mind, especially since the solution felt very fast in Change Your Mind. Personally, this video did give me perspective though and now I don't think the diamonds are officially redeemed. However, I don't blame people for feeling iffy about how things are taken too lightly when it comes to the diamonds.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Totally agree. It's kind of like how Blue being first shown as a total grieving mess after episodes like the Cluster arc and the reveal that Blue tried to get Ruby killed for fusing with Sapphire, that this depiction might have rubbed others the wrong way. If you want comparisons in different shows, after a season where Miss Martian broke people's minds and made Superboy feel like he had to keep this behaviour secret after she tried to erase his memories whilst he was sleeping, the three year timeskip having him propose to her in the first episode and showing that she was the new head of YJ made people pretty ticked off.

[@gay.cannibal]

@@christopherbennett5858 Essentially, people may be wrong about the diamonds being redeemed or forgiven but fact is, the weight of their actions isn't taken into account and that rubs off the wrong way.

[@thelittlesonic7250]

Big agree. Like, the show built them up for multiple seasons as these terrible monsters that ruined countless lifes. Regardless of what was noted later on or what was said outside the show in some google doc from 2013, the show presents them as these terrible monsters for the majority of the story. To suddenly have them be shown is this more comedic, more light hearted matter, of course that's gonna make people upset! It doesn't feel right or natural, especially when you compare them to other characters in the show like Peridot or Lapiz who had episodes upon episodes of character development. It feels incredibly rushed and that's the main issue people have with it.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@gay.cannibal And I agree with you on that.

[@KrisRN23935]

Well to be fair, horrible people in real life still have moments and qualities that would make them “likable,” I mean even Hitler was a vegetarian and a painter. One modern-day Dictator loves horses and rapping with his grandson. People are complicated.

[@Uli_2099]

"They weren't genocidal" Yellow diamond: "i want my cluster to emerge and i want that planet to die" They've been conquering planet for eons, killing off trillions of living things that lived on those planets, all for the sake of expanding their empire

[@flufftron2781]

What would u do if u was a celestial god and u have nothing to do

[@jjjjrrrr4353]

Tcp Rosé it worse because the round table is trying to say that they didn’t commit genocide because those planet didn’t have sentient life but they committed genocide on their own people. Like what they did to the off colors and fusions is still genocide..............

[@ollie2111]

@@jjjjrrrr4353 I know, he was trying to claim it's not genocide but it literally is. Hitler killed groups of humans, the Diamonds shattered groups of gems (off colors, besides those who stayed hidden). Also killing entire animal and plant life even if they aren't to the same *percieved* level of intelligence as the conquering species is still genocide. *And* the cluster was a thing, yeah that was designed to kill all earth life. Just because they didn't think any of them were not intelligent, doesn't make it not genocidal. Hitler thought Jewish people and other groups such as disabled people were unintelligent lesser lifeforms and that has a lot to do with his act of genocide, just because he saw other humans that way didn't suddenly make it not genocidal. And no, I think the Diamonds are not irredeemable, but you can't say they weren't genocidal just because it makes them sound less bad. I think the Diaminds can be slowly somewhat redeemed, their arc was just handled poorly thus far, and I do hope they fix that issue in the final season. Mainly with White, where she acts like an amazing terrifying villain, and quickly flips a 180, even if she is doing it out of emotional blackmail, it doesn't feel like it fits her established character based on the little bits we saw of her. It was done way too fast, even if she isn't supposed to be redeemed yet. So yeah, I'm annoyed. Sorry for the rant.

[@jjjjrrrr4353]

Gabrielle i agree I think this video is more mental gymnastics by the fan base to lessen the diamonds actions and it’s trying to compare them to us which again is lessening their actions

[@ollie2111]

@@jjjjrrrr4353 yeah. I mean I've been a huge fan of the show for years but you gotta admit when mistakes in writing are made. I was very disappointed by the end of Change Your Mind. I thought the show was doing amazingly up until the White Diamond changing part. It's okay to criticize or be mad/upset about something you love. It happens. And I feel like him and some fans are hardcore defending it because it feels better than to admit it was disappointing (or that's their genuine opinion, idk some people actually were happy with it somehow).

[@unknownuser2897]

One could argue that Blue Diamond is at least much closer to redemption than Yellow and White.

[@ollie2111]

Agreed. I wish the others were at *least* as well written as her redemption arc, and hers still has room for improvement tho I think ultimately works fine enough.

[@ktm1125]

The Diamonds were awful, and what they did could not be excused, but never the less they did have their reasons, and they did love pink (in their own abusive way). Not to mention, the reason Blue grieved so much, was because she thought she was the reason Pink got killed. (When Steven went to the moon after Lapis, he dreamt and had one of Pink's memories in which Blue says: "But this is what you wanted. You begged us for a colony of your own. And now, all you want to do is be rid of it. First, there were too many organics, then their cities were too difficult to dismantle, a-and now these... Crystal Gems? We're tired of your excuses, Pink. This Rose Quartz can't hurt you. You can't be swayed by a few unruly Gems. Enough! tries to cheer Pink up You must understand. You... are a Diamond. Everyone on this planet is looking to you. You don't even have to do anything. Just smile, and wave. Show everyone you are unfazed by this little uprising." So in Blue's mind, she herself sent Pink (the single most important gem to her in the entire universe, who she genuinely loved) to her death... That's really gotta weigh down on you man...

[@magicsiren91]

The Joker is very likeable....I guess he's redeemed and no longer evil said no one ever🙄

[@tyrkun1624]

@KJ Beast He's not redeemable in the slightest. He's sympathetic though.

[@iylamstoy]

I hate how people suddenly hate pink diamond because of the movie and think the other three are so great now I haven't liked any of the diamonds even pink before I knew Rose was pink for a long time. And pink is still a better person than the other three. Their turnaround is bizarre and feels unrealistic. Pinks actions and feelings atleast are long developed and make sense. All the diamonds suck and I'm probably not gonna end up changing my mind on that unless they pull of the redemption arc of the century

[@mirkohoble]

Thanks goodness! some who thinks like me! Finally!

[@christopherbennett5858]

Yeah, make the genocidal authoritarians sweet aunties in a 2 year timeskip but have the movie smack you in the head about the rebellion leader being a malicious child?

[@Decembirth]

Truth from me, I never liked Rose Quartz even in the flashbacks. Her behavior just never seemed genuine. As Pink Diamond that thought was reinforced. However, I am fully capable of seeing why she acted the way she did.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@Decembirth Oh no, I'm not saying that she isn't all that but, compared to the diamonds as a whole, she's small beans.

[@KingOfGaymes]

It’s because we got to know Spinel Imagine if we got a flashback episode all about a gem, loved that gem as the episode went on, and then it ends with that gem being shattered by blue I bet everyone wouldn’t like blue

[@squishyjungkookie1132]

I love how AwestruckVox sounds more and more excited in every opening. “WELCOME BACK TO CRYSTAL CLEAR”

[@timberdew]

*WELCOME BACK TO CRYSTAL CLEAR*

[@squishyjungkookie1132]

Keoh 8 um no he’s just excited, and I understand why got a shit ton of valuable info from the movie that answered a lot of our questions, so yeah I’d be excited to share it with others too!!!

[@wagerobot5231]

The editing in this video is amazing too. The visuals perfectly match what is said.

[@Brandon_Powell]

12:35 This argument holds no weight whatsoever. Saying it's alright that A does a thing because B does it as well is childishly simplistic and ignores the nuances and differences between both of them. It's a false equivalence. Most people enjoy watching and reading about what The Joker does not because villainy is inherently entertaining but because he is the perfect antagonist for Batman. His actions force conflict upon the hero. If they were to change that dynamic and Batman convinced The Joker to give up his criminal ways that dynamic would fall apart. I'd bet good money that people wouldn't be as interested in The Joker if that were to happen. This argument also ignores the fact that people did enjoy watching The Diamonds while they were villains. That's not to say that I think The Diamonds can't be redeemed. Like I said before Batman and Steven Universe are entirely different properties with different stories and different goals. But to try to justify a rushed redemption arc by arguing that they're still the villains even though the threat has been completely sapped out of them is preposterous. What about Bismuth? She tried to murder Steven because he disagreed with her. She wasn't even given a redemption arc. Everyone just forgave her. Are there any arguments out there that she's still a villain? And I don't want to hear any of this nonsense about her feeling like she needed to attack Steven because Rose Quartz bubbles her before. She attacked Steven out of anger while he was trying to run away from her. I love Steven Universe but I do acknowledge that it has flaws. Out of all the lazy excuses for the bad writing I've heard in this video hearing him say but mom, Batman does it too is probably the worst. Especially seeing as though it is objectively incorrect.

[@mazethewise1293]

Brandon Powell wow you destoyed that one lol

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@mazethewise1293 Almost effortlessly.

[@JLacay]

And then there's Lapis Lazuli, she stolen the Earth's water to try and go home, almost drowned Connie and Steven, and fought the Crystal Gems and yet after all that, everyone forgives her. I know she was doing this to go home but it doesn't excuse her for actions. The only time she mentioned her past mistakes was in "The New Crystal Gems" when she told Peridot the event that happened in "Ocean Gem and Mirror Gem" and the show plays it off as a joke. I feel as if Vox forgot some plot points from season 1 - 3.

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@JLacay To be fair to Lapis I do feel like some of her earlier actions weren't malicious. She was trapped in the mirror for thousands of years, her gem was damaged and she was confused and traumatized. Let's not forget the fact that she tried to warn Steven and The Gems about the oncoming invasion from Peridot and Jasper. I hesitate to call it a redemption arc because I don't think she had a lot to redeem but her coming around is more convincing because I do feel like it was built up to properly. And if I'm being honest I think he intentionally forgets a lot of plot points. Full disclosure, I'm not terribly fond of these guys. Especially him.

[@VideoGamer8]

that is not at all what he was saying. i agree with the point he made. he wasn't saying what the diamonds did was right because bill cipher did it. he was saying people call it redemption because the diamonds are likable now and people don't want villains in SU to be likable while villains in other shows like bill cipher are way worse and people still like them. he was pointing out the hypocrisy, not whatever garbage you just said

[@000Dragon50000]

I Disagree on one thing: The diamonds did genocide off-colours, just not any sapient alien life forms. They did cause mass exctinctions of just sentient, or animal-level, life, tho. The diamonds definitely haven't been redeemed tho

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Yeah I find myself agreeing with Sai-scribbles They were doing themselves any favors by making off colors It’s kind of sad that I’m on the side that should’ve been cut because I do like the idea of an off color jam and sometimes gems have different colors in real life

[@ericmoon2974]

Remember when Zuko in Avatar started his redemption arc by freeing Appa and had bad fevers for weeks? That’s a good start for a redemption for a v bad guy. The diamond had NONE of this.

[@shadenox8164]

Because they weren't redeemed?

[@macaronifanatic7287]

I feel like BD was redeemed as she actually realized how she made pink feel and helped Steven and even briefly fought Yellow to do so.

[@ollie2111]

Yeah I feel like she was the only one written decently when it comes to the redemption arc, specially compared to the others.

[@Kekkersboy]

ehh about them not being genocidal. I'd say wanting to destroy a planet is pretty much the definition of Genocidal. As in doing so would be commiting an act of Genocide.

[@anentiresleeveoforeos2087]

there's a clip of Pink's memories where Yellow is shown telling her gems to "exterminate" organics on one of her colonies. she also is actively trying to activate the cluster which will destroy the planet which she knows (and is further reminded of this by Peridot) and then says she doesn't care. she along with Blue and White attempted attacked the entirety of the gems on the Earth; it's unclear what exactly the attack was meant to do since they seem surprised at the fact that the Earth gems are corrupted but the fact that they had assumed that all the gems on Earth were shattered, and that they were trying to build a planet sized super weapon (you don't need a weapon unless you're using it against someone) out of the shards of millions of gems implies that they attacked fully knowing that it would effectively kill whoever was present on the surface which is arguably genocide as well. it does not matter what the team says in tweets and blogs, it matters what is in the show... and in the show, they're genocidal. simple as that.

[@Lesbianlichen]

Well they certainly didn't seem to have a problem planning to wipe out an entire planet of intelligent life forms.

[@geoleo965]

I'd argue that only BD deserves to be forgiven, considering that everything came out for the best thanks to her intervention; and for being the only one who genuinely showed care, reasoning and concern between *The Three Caballeros.* 💎 Yes, I'll be calling them that from now on because of the abuse with the musical segments... No, you can't convince me otherwise... But hey! You get to choose and argue who's who as an avian Disney character, so have fun and good luck with that! 👍 ****EDIT/SIDENOTE****- Something I felt was needed to add as a clarification... By quoting... My... Self... OH BOY! Starting to hate this already! Please bear with me, folks: "Of all three, BD was the first who had the courage to transform and improve exponentially, to become the stepping stone (no pun intended) with her nephew and revolutionize Homeworld's wrongful dogma (with PD as an inspiration but primarly, the same for her sisters, as a cross to carry; and with Steven by serving as the catharsis for the trio in the end)... We can't say the same for the other two Diamonds, in comparison, whom also lacked the motherly virtues that define BD."

[@comradedyatlov4143]

I think so too! Blue is so sweet and truthful, after all she was the only one to clarify that White wasn't judging the planet. I love Blue (No homo), she's the best diamond for me.

[@geoleo965]

And they still keep forgetting her nurturing side and motherlike figure: from having both sympathy and emphaty for a human being (Greg), when she personally gave food to the kids and help them escape by standing her ground despite being most probably the weakest of the three, to even revealing against her own nature and changing for the better... All for the pure love and cherished memory of her little sister. The MAYOR flaw and personal (also unanimous) beef with this series was the unnerving and exaggerated amount of fillers.

[@MintyCoffee]

Even though Blue Diamond has also had no problem shattering countless numbers of gems for trivial reasons. You're just bought in by a pretty face.

[@geoleo965]

@@MintyCoffee Nope, please read what I added... Sooner or later, for the best (thankfully in this case) or worst, changes are inevitable. Her actions speak more than her looks, and I advice you to be cautious and more careful about that kind of ideology. That's the beauty of time itself: to give us the oportunity to evolve... Hope the best for you too, cheers.

[@luigigamerocker]

@@MintyCoffee no. That just doesn't bother me. As far as I can tell, Gems are made s certain way and always do things/ act thast way unless they realize they can change. Whatever made the diamonds like that in the first place is the thing at blame for me. She's changing

[@TheNukedNacho]

“ThE dIaMoNdS aRe ReDeEmEd” Steven: yeah. I don’t know about this.

[@whitephoenixofthecrown6514]

So pink isn't redeemed either?

[@yvettescorner1878]

White Phoenix of the Crown yeap.

[@waddafugg3072]

Well turns out they really are redeemed

[@sonoio869]

SUF: big hug with genocidal aunties AYYY (not redeemed of course 😏)

[@alarmlessRifleman]

I like how in "Homeworld Bound" Yellow was shown repairing gems used previously in experiments. It was clear that she enjoys bringing gems back to life, that she does it on her own volution and noone really pushes her to do it. She calles her past actions "horrible" and is glad to undo them, because "it would only be right". She even plans on repairing the Cluster, which is going to take a tremendous amount of work. Also, Yellow was the only diamond shown to actually do something useful, unlike Blue (who is now a.. drug-dealer?) and White who travels from planet to planet with some parades... or something. The diamonds aren't redeemed - yet. Their remorse is mostly a façade for now, and it's natural. Changing one's mind and adopting a new way of thinking takes time, especially when we talk about creatures who never age and exist for millenia. I don't think that diamonds are beyong redemption, it just will happen off-screen and will take quite some time. As for the fact that the show ended in such a peaceful way - I used to think about alternative ways it could've go and came to a conclusion that no, there were no other way to end their era of terror. What could Steven and Co do instead? Start a war? There already was a war, and the Crystal Gems lost it. Shatter the diamonds? With so many gems loyal to diamonds, they would've just sign a death sentence for themselves. All Homeworld gems (not counting the Off-Colors) were either loyal to their leaders (Peridot and Agate, for example) or just brainwashed. There was no way the Crystal Gems could've shatter the Gem Hitlers without being shattered right after themselves. They couldn't banish them from the Homeworld either, for the same reasons. As was shown by Yellow, the diamonds aren't completely faking it, and with more time passing, they will fully realize how horrible their actions were. It is just going to take some time.

[@Kasai2025]

Okay how is blue a drug dealer you know the some psychiatrist prescribe certain medications to regulate certain emotions is one emotion is extremely unbalanced due to a chemical hormone imbalance blue is more like a psychiatrist that can help people try to make do with what they have to work within what they can because in certain situations and certain events it's hard to be happy however Blue diamond doesn't just use her powers to help Stephen she actually tries to talk with him and even in change your mind she does but blue is not the type of person to vent white diamond okay right now isn't truly redeemed however she's using her power of instead of controlling people they control her temporarily so that they can get their emotions because sometimes psychological problems you need someone to vent to hence white diamonds new power and blues power is like a psychiatrist that you can talk some things out but they more so can prescribe a medication to help you so manage your own issues

[@BlueDiamondIsNotEvil]

⁠blue’s hot😻

[@RegisMach5]

I can't imagine Rebecca creating/approving a storyline where Pink Steven is neutralized and The Diamonds resume being evil. So, yeah, The Diamonds are redeemed.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

I personally also can't see a storyline where the Diamonds truly change for the better. Which is sad because they are actually my favourite characters.

[@princedonovaughn1182]

Not being evil isn't redeemed.

[@shadenox8164]

That's not what redeemed means dude. Closer would be reformed but even that isn't quite accurate because while they have stopped the bad behaviours they don't fully understand why its bad.

[@ollie9646]

Just let us adore your video

[@somenerdpng]

get this more likes

[@Brooke052]

somenerdpng Yes

[@JD-lh2vp]

Agreed

[@criiss2712]

come on come on

[@krisdeltarun]

Just let us adore Awestuckvox

[@moniquevankooten1825]

Anyone feel that Pink Diamond is the story's scapegoat which she cant redeemed herself? I preferred when she was more a gray moral character but after the movie, she just seems evil.

[@MaluuniRosa]

Personally, I saw the movie have Pink diamond as a nurture vs nature sort of deal. Despite what people seem to think, she hasn't been the only diamond to "run away" from her problems or to abandon other gems.

[@HexManiacQuinn]

I mean, of all the misdeeds Pink Diamond did, aside from the "6000 years of waiting" specifically, it was one of the more human and grounded transgressions she ever had. Yes, people had a reaction to it, but that's because getting ghosted and abandoned is a thing that happens. People stop hanging with friends, even if they were close. I still wouldn't call her "just evil".

[@burntfrootloop4073]

She's not completely evil. She stopped the Diamonds from destroying the Earth to save humans and the Crystal Gems. Yeah the way she did it was incredibly manipulative and selfish, but she still tried.

[@BladedShard]

Honestly the Diamonds in the movie were kind of jarring to watch except White, who was great on her own not to mention provision of context on her character. Mostly Blue seemed heavily out of character and acted as if she didnt *Acknowledge* in CYM that her Gems were suffering in silence under her rule. That whole dialogue where she's acting like she stopped shattering to appease Steven had some erasure energy of majority of what was her realization in that episode post fighting Yellow. She and Yellow were so hive-mind/single brain cell'ed in the movie that White may as well have bleached them again and I wouldn't have noticed apart from the color, they just were swept up in the theme/emotions White displayed.

[@Systemerrorick]

at least they're making AN EFFORT to CHANGE. get it? Ill leave now

[@Blaze-kz2uk]

Steven: They can make a...... Change

[@rasheedhogan4030]

Can people also stop saying Pink diamond is canceled? Like that was BEFORE Greg TAUGHT her humanity. She became a loving gem from that

[@TheGreatShambala]

That then left her friends and without guidance, leadership or any closure with her. Then proceded to essentially use her son as a scapegoat without ever giving him a heads-up or advice on how to deal with the transgressionas and problems she left behind.

[@jeremiahvaleska8464]

This video is completely redundant now that Future is finished 😂😂😂

[@maumariii4162]

The Diamonds were definitely genocidal and COMMITTED genocide. It's really disheartening to see that debated. It's what happens all the time in real life sadly... Sure the diamonds have had some character development but literally have a legacy of colonial conquest and genocide on their hands that has to be actively worked on. I wanna know how bismuth feels about these upper crusts

[@ashrimp4505]

The diamonds aren't evil (to some levels) nor are they fully redeemed yet, they are getting there, slowly, they still have to slowly stop smothering steven and make their own choices and not just listen to steven and what he says is right, the diamonds themselves should tell what's right from wrong

[@Fluffkitscripts]

I think they’re trying to be better than they are, which is kind of the point of the movie. Rebecca herself did kind of say the point of spinel’s story arc was that it’s ok to be a work in progress, and is it too much of a stretch to see a bit of that in the diamonds?

[@DashawnLoves]

THEY COMMITTED MULTIPLE FORMS OF GENOCIDE WITH NO REMORSE BEFORE AND AFTER PINK'S DEATH!

[@ashrimp4505]

@@DashawnLoves yes I know

[@dr.dapper120]

This video should be called “angry fan boy yells at people for having an opinion/having different views”

[@LovelyTayForce]

And doesn't understand what genocide means. 😂

[@patiencewallace8453]

I agree. I feel attacked. I love Roundtable but there weren’t any facts. Definitely biased. It felt like a rant video. He wasn’t making much sense and kept contradicting himself.

[@shadenox8164]

I mean, sorry but the diamonds weren't redeemed.

[@TheAshes232]

"They weren't genocidal" Yellow diamond: "i want my cluster and i want that planet to DIE." yeah....sure dude.

[@strewbeerry]

Here’s my thought: The diamonds don’t like Steven, they only want Pink Diamond back. I think they want to get close enough to Steven to get pink out again

[@StareachValcin]

Not likely. Pink Diamond has been proven to be gone and I do think that the diamonds are getting attached to Steven.

[@starseeker3002]

They want steven to be pink diamond (who he is very clearly not)

[@coolboy5539]

@@StareachValcin they probably just like Steven because he has Pink's gem in him

[@StareachValcin]

@@coolboy5539 possibly but I am not entirely convinced of that, especially due to the events of diamond days (especially "change your mind"). Plus a lot can happen in 2 years.

[@basicallystevenuniverse511]

I think it’s more like he proved that what they were doing wasn’t the best way so they do what he says and they need him to tell them what to do because they basically realized their whole life was a lie

[@geminizodi3508]

I don't care what anybody says I love the diamonds. They made the show so exciting.

[@rebecca_rh]

Me too

[@relientlykrazie6011]

Kevin: *gets heated and yells* Me: hell yes, go off Kev!!!!

[@stirlingno.1296]

Personally I view the current Diamonds as “antagonistic allies.”

[@Jbelnap510]

The diamonds had every intention of destroying Earth with the Cluster. Just because they haven't had a chance to be genocidal doesn't mean they don't have a genocidal mind set.

[@starvoltnexus3139]

I think that was more yellow and while it’s not good she’s acting more on rage and anger and bitterness towards what happened on earth what happened to pink more than any typical Genocidal mindset

[@jonathanhall3640]

I think your genocide argument is pretty flawed the diamonds were still attempting to kill the earth for the cluster until they found out about Steven and i feel like you don't need a army and battle ships just to kill animals and plants why make a giant hand laser thing if all you ever fight against is wild life seems pretty excessive

[@KingOfGaymes]

Jonathan Hall imagine what they did to other planets full of life, and yellow said she conquered hundreds I mean *O o f*

[@PlanetGoddess]

I don't think the diamonds personally knew about humans nor that they're sentient tbh.

[@jonathanhall3640]

@@PlanetGoddess they have a zoo and apparently yellow and blue set that up I'm pretty sure he did a video on that

[@samuelmatheson9655]

Mmm, u can't genocide what you see as ants

[@jonathanhall3640]

@@samuelmatheson9655 what?

[@moocowthegamer]

Eh.. The diamonds are not redeemed. But I like blue still....

[@andreassmed2255]

Yes. And Pink was a horrible person... But I still like her...

[@chickenstripz1961]

@@andreassmed2255 all the diamonds were horrible.

[@andreassmed2255]

@@chickenstripz1961 That does not change my mind about Pink...

[@chickenstripz1961]

@@andreassmed2255 that wasn't the point.

[@fidebagwell5697]

Another reason the diamonds aren’t redeemed: forced-fusion experiments with gem shards, and the Cluster. That NEEDS to be touched on.

[@shadenox8164]

Yellow literally commented on how horrible it was and is actively fixing all the gems.

[@jayfeather464]

Steven and Rose are manipulators 🤷🤷🤷 that's just that. People fail to realize that or just choose to straight up ignore that Steven DOES HAVE Rose's traits.

[@diamantemrobinson]

That's most definitely true

[@habarn-amcenumesaimipun1237]

I mean steven literally run from the diamonds and abandoned them like no thank screw ya' just like pink did with spinel

[@jayfeather464]

@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem ....dingus? The movie specifically showed how Steven is just like Rose 😂 he used Spinel and made it seem like he'd be her friend when he really meant she could befriend anyone but him. Spinel was right in tht regard. He played the diamonds using his connections and emotional leverage to keep em in check 🤷 just like Pink Diamond to keep her gems in line. Steven IS a diamond and runs the place and uses manipulation to help him. His mom didn't hv "darkness" and if she did the movie just amplifies Steven falling into said "darkness" rather than him getting away from it.

[@HexManiacQuinn]

@@jayfeather464 No... the movie showed him getting away from it. Because he naively tried to move too fast with Spinel coming over the his side, she lashed out at him, he had to rediscover his capability to change... pretty sure that was a tell that he was meant to realize that manipulating Spinel like that, even for the greater good of the earth, wasn't going to work. As for the diamonds... yeah, people need to keep them in check.

[@jayfeather464]

@@HexManiacQuinnLmao she lashed out because she felt (justly so) that Steven really wasn't out to become her friend even if he wanted her to be "good". Steven reached out for Jasper more than he did for Spinel 😂😂 Steven remembering he and other ppl can change was just a catalyst for her to actually change (even tho we didn't see and probably won't see her getting over abandoned) and she did indeed change 🤷 Manipulating the diamonds cuz they needa be kept in check is literally what Diamonds used to do to their subordinates....funny how Pink Diamonds diamond is at the top of the insignia now..... Anyway yeah ur right they needa be kept in check using those oh so helpful manipulation skills.

[@sodathejunker]

I really don’t get it. People say it was a complete mess, but when I think of how this show could have ended I can’t think of a better way. Just cuz the characters do cute things and show a softer side, it’s pretty clear they have a long way to go. Blue’s probably the only one that’s even shown a sense of mindset shifting.

[@mirkohoble]

Everyone thinks the same, Blue is the only Diamond who truly changed in the whole series.

[@samyes1726]

Aww how cute, the genocidal nazis are blushing, what a great end

[@shadenox8164]

@@mirkohoble Yet Yellow is doing the most to correct her mistakes.

[@CyanSoCalico]

Apologies for not seeing the whole video yet before commenting, but I'd say Blue Diamond was genuinely redeemed, White only begrudgingly did so to appease Pink, and Yellow is somewhere in the middle

[@eze9775]

I don't think so but ok

[@Topunito]

Yeah honestly Blue was the closest to deserving a redemption, but she's still a space nazi.

[@aaronjones6299]

Compared to the other diamonds pink was actually the most redeemed.

[@somenerdpng]

@@Topunito im gonna say you're deaf?

[@somenerdpng]

@@aaronjones6299 no she wasnt, shes horrible, rose is good tho

[@samyes1726]

This really seems less like "refuting bad faith claims about Steven universe and the diamonds" and a lot more like "I really like this show and I'm unable to admit it has flaws and I will defend it no matter what even in the process making myself look stupid"

[@PauloJrchannel]

Yeah, pretty much.

[@shadenox8164]

Except he's right about a lot of it.

[@samdragonborn5864]

They went from maniacal overlords to racist grandmas

[@DarkstarArchangel]

The Diamond finale last season should've been 10 episodes long rather than 5. (Similar to what I said about Samurai Jack ending needed more episodes). I feel like Blue Diamond is the only diamond that is redeemed like what some other guy said.

[@rayhuerta9763]

I feel I should mention that compromise was the only solution, given that they were much stronger individually than the entire crystal gem team. With built in anti fusion abilities.

[@Youre_dumb]

What about when Peridot told Yellow Diamond that the Earth was full of life, yet YD wanted to destroy the Earth with the cluster? That's pretty genocidal.

[@lolface_9363]

“The Diamonds where redeemed to easily” I’ve heard this story over and over again

[@danbrought5922]

I agree the diamond are not really fully redeemed

[@camrynsean7559]

I agree with you but how do the homeworld gems feel about the diamonds still being in power. As the diamonds the to pay for there actions

[@pokebreederrichard1200]

Not fully but they are working on it

[@tallytally5116]

I don't think they're redeemed. I think it's gonna take the Earth being in trouble. Steven and the Crystal gems not being strong enough and them coming in and lending a hand and not because Steven asked them to either

[@cmigbear]

So, no, this isn’t the main problem people have with Change Your Mind. It’s how fast the Diamonds change and how little development they received as characters.

[@johnathanargow4762]

*Looks at video after 6 months* I want to make arguments over this, but its kinda like beating a dead horse at this point

[@mysteryhatter]

Is it me or this video felt a little personal?? 🤔

[@jesusarmandoholguinsaenz7171]

I've never seen the critique on the show being that the Diamonds are redeemed as a character, more so that the show just kind of turned them into silly mom characters even if literally a couple episodes ago they were crushing gems and brainwashing others like it was no biggie, and they also just let spinel bounce off with the diamonds (im sure nooooothing could go wrong with that) also, even after knowing that steven was pink, the diamonds were far from just doing whatever steven asked but they just did a full 180 in change your mind and it just felt undeserved double also, when people say the diamonds are genocidal i think they're talking about the part where they just wipe out the entire gem armada on earth or when they tell pink to hurry up with the colonization on earth, they already knew about humans, and they didn't care either way

[@Vince-rh8es]

I guess my problem with this is everyone says they did a full 180 but where? When? How? They're still selfish, white still acts entitled and above it all, Like vox said all they did was fix they're messes they had to if they wanted 'pink' back and they knew it was a mistake

[@Kamodomon]

I will agree that we didn't get enough time to understand their "growth." Tho with Blue and yellow, you do get it better than with White. White got shafted in the developmental department. But, then again, the story is Steven's and we got the full realization of who he is as a person and a being. So, for me, in service of that aspect of the story, I can let some of the other stuff slide. That moment was too important.

[@jjjjrrrr4353]

Jesus Armando Holguin Saenz also the fact they systematically killed off colors for billions of years that’s genocide

[@FumanyuX]

Everyone forgets the fusion amalgamations? pure suffering

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@FumanyuX Not to mention the cluster which is basically a mass grave of severed limbs screaming for thousands of years. But yeah, sweet baby joseph the time compression. Seriously, Amethyst and Steven have several episodes of bonding to get to Smokey but Steven just has to fuse with an unconcious Pearl, Ruby and Sapphire in a span of minutes?

[@SunshineCasy]

Vox, any other arguments aside, I'd like to address your definition of genocide. Just to clarify, I'm not angry, I'm just trying to be informative. I feel this is an urgent point to convey: shattering fusions and off-colors qualifies as a genocide. Genocide is the mass killing of a group, and the groups here are off-colors, and fusions. The fact they did it as a part of their system makes it more explicit - mass murder is genocide, whether it is part of an invasion or not. There's no denying the fact that the Diamonds are genocidal toward "lesser" gems - they had roving robots specifically to shatter off-colors. Again, I'm not angry, but I think this is important, and I believe you should consider this in your argument.

[@The_Skrongler]

You make some good points about the nature of this plot point, but I'm still not comfortable with Steven having a relatively amicable relationship with his mom's abusers and it going relatively smoothly for two years. Framing them as a family makes it worse in some ways, because a kid watching Steven Universe will never have to deal with intergalactic tyrants, but they might have to deal with abusive family members. I don't want SU to give anyone the idea that spending time with abusive family members is a good idea. In real life when family members are like the diamonds the best we can do is get away from them (which is what Pink did in her own screwed up way), because we can't change their behavior and it's not our job to expose ourselves to their toxicity in the process.

[@shadenox8164]

Sure, but he's only doing that to keep them from destroying planets and can barely stand to be in the same room as them.

[@isitreallysandstorm]

I just wanna say something that I have been thinking about. Pink Diamond liked Pink Pearl's entertainment, but didn't like Spinel's. The Diamonds liked Pink Diamond's entertainment but didn't like Steven's entertainment (Fusion). Wonder if this was intentional?

[@darthestar8791]

Maaaaaaaybe?

[@psyffee3755]

She did like Spinel's orginally, but sorta grew tired of it.

[@isitreallysandstorm]

@@psyffee3755 That is true

[@Kamodomon]

I would say that Pink like's Pink Pearl's companionship more than her "entertainment." Pink Diamond was kinda shown to be starved for attention. For friendship. Everyone that wasn't a diamond would never dream about being her friend and the actual Diamonds were too busy or just didn't understand where she was coming from. Basically, parents don't understand. Spinel was good "entertainment" but clearly had attachment issues (which are totally not Spinel's fault cause she was made and expected to be that way.)

[@squeegool]

it's more like Pink diamond is entertaining Pink pearl which was shown in the dream

[@eggosxon185]

critiquing a show doesn’t mean you enjoy taking it down, just because ur a big fan doesn’t mean u have to agree with everything the show does. just saying.

[@somenerdpng]

no one said that wasnt true lol

[@JayDee11300]

ZOMSEN I completely agree, sometimes some people go too far to defend this immaculate can-do-no-wrong show, and it seems to utterly cloud their judgement. They make excuses for lousy writing, bad plot line resolutions and poor storyboarding, and viciously attack any critiquing perspectives, while still getting on a high horse because of the show’s premise.

[@rhymenoceros3303]

@@JayDee11300 on the flip side though, that doesn't justify bad critiques that spread literal misinformation or act like these mistakes are some how unforgivable and the people who caused them should be basically treated as social pariahs.

[@yonsetv5223]

Very rare to find a good critical review, most comments about "lousy writing and bad plot lines" are subjective

[@undergalaxy775]

I guess he's talking about EZ PZ/Lily Orchard type videos where they seem to attack the show more on a personal level than on a critical one. Not all critics are like that of course

[@megaleafblade27]

I feel like Blue is redeemed or at least the closest to redemption but I don’t feel full/complete redemption from Yellow and especially White.

[@abylue1847]

Thank you, someone finally says it. I feel like I am close to redemption mostly because if you watch Change Your Mind, I save Steven and his friends and made Yellow actually change ( That I know of ) her mind on this situation has a whole.

[@megaleafblade27]

̶B̶l̶u̶e ̶D̶i̶a̶m̶o̶n̶d̶ 😦 My diamond! *diamond solute* you’ve always been my favourite diamond!

[@abylue1847]

Oh well thank you, I know most humans ( and gems ) Favor Yellow.

[@Schweigetherapie]

But if they never encountered intelligent life, they wouldn't really have had a use for soldiers, or outlined their plan for taking over a planet as sending soldiers to wage war, right? Didn't they talk about that in the trial episode, or something? Animals don't do war. And you don't need entire breeds of soldiers, made by specific machines, to wage war if there is no enemy who can respond in kind. If the organics were only animals, wouldn't they be called "hunters" or something?

[@kylepope7850]

@Redcat "Animals don't do war." Actually, ants do.

[@shadenox8164]

They could also have been attacked by intelligent life they weren't actively colonising.

[@e.wincentsen4017]

"I'm not saying to love or adore them" (To the Diamonds) Just let us abhor you Kidding, kidding. But honestly, I agree. They're not redeemed. That would take a long time.

[@cameronkidd3.290]

Blue Diamond is the only good Diamond who else agrees

[@niccolosantana7957]

Blue and yellow, blue didnt take well to the shattering, so thats why she seems better, because her grief hid her true personality

[@walnut2446]

Not really blue was just as bad as yellow and white, she shattered most gems out of any of the diamonds and she has committed genocide a couple times as examples with her colonies. All the diamonds still have a long way to go till their redeemed they need to understand just what terrible things they did as tyrannical matriarchs. Commiting murder on their own, being tight fisted and killing countless species of animals and plants off forever and being like a parasite that just takes over the homes of many lives. They don't exactly feel bad about anything they're just doing what Steven told them and they're not even grateful for his help.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@walnut2446 Everyone seems to forget Blue was the one who tried to kill Ruby for fusing with Sapphire

[@walnut2446]

@@christopherbennett5858 that too

[@fairymairah]

Pink is the good Diamond !

[@Locodeus]

I think we can all agree that injecting genocide into a children's show was a bad idea.

[@absolutelydeadinside]

“Are you a bit more open minded” Yes how mature of you :/

[@waheedabdullah6371]

Can we still say that Pink Diamond is a bad person? Remember, Steven got blamed for her fake shattering and she abandoned Spinel

[@almondjoy4938]

All of the Diamonds are horrible,so you're not saying anything new there. Pink still is the best of the worst,as White herself would gladly verify. At least she didn't need to be manipulated by a 16 year old to try to change for the better. (Key word on "try").

[@somenerdpng]

yes, the point is that pink diamond is bad, at least the other diamonds are changing, pink didnt want to change and be better

[@vixiebun8861]

@@somenerdpng Pink and Rose are literally the same. The only difference is her physical form. She actually did change but the way she was shown from the 80s with Greg to thousands of years ago and it makes her look bad but she did change as a person when she changed her form from Pink to Rose

[@somenerdpng]

@@vixiebun8861 no they're not the same, they're very clearly different people, if you dont understand that you've missed a heavy part of the show and thats saddening

[@almondjoy4938]

@@somenerdpng Dude,Rose changed into Pink in "A Single Pale Rose" right in front of our eyes. They aren't different.

[@sydneeblueford3754]

Very thoughtful and necessary vid. Not just for people butt hurt about the series but how we view the evil in the real world. Thanks! Love your channel🐱

[@flavortown6280]

This didnt age well imo After seeing steven universe future

[@Anonomius0]

1:15 Not genocidal? WHOA WHOA WHOA WHAT????? Okay, I'm going to have to wait for the rest of the video.

[@Anonomius0]

Okay, you are basing your argument on the fact that the fact that humans were the only intelligent life the gems had encountered was still relevant by the end of the series. I mean reading that synopsis, it is cleared that they changed a few things. Also it's worth mentioning White's remark that she has said please and thank you 'even to lower life forms'. lower life forms suggest organic life, and to say please and thank you to them suggests that this is life they could communicate and interact with, aka sapient life.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@Anonomius0 We know the Diamonds fought other sentient lifeforms in the dream/flashback where Yellow is overseeing an invasion of an alien world that is facing stiff resistance and Pink tries to mess around with the controls to Yellow's chair. Proof the Diamonds have waged war/extermination on other intelligent races.

[@LouisLazuli]

The Diamonds are redeemed. :> (Edit: ISSA JOKE BECAUSE OF THEIR TITLE. I don’t believe they’re redeemed, I just like going against their title lol.)

[@7473R]

Louis Lazuli agreed, they seem pretty changed to me

[@rasheedhogan4030]

@@7473R agreed

[@nicholasvandiver8464]

OMG I love lapis lazuli

[@user-ui6mm9ph3y]

Not really they’re kinda just following Steven they haven’t realized the error of their ways in the movie white complains about being respectful to lower life forms and only changed it when Steven corrected her they haven’t taken that step to take owner ship of all the terrible things they’ve done and until then they aren’t redeemed

[@LouisLazuli]

E I..I was just saying that because the title said not to say the diamonds are redeemed. 😂 I don’t think they’re redeemed either sooo.

[@Somersalsa]

Fair enough, but... _How about I do anyway?_

[@codafett]

The Diamonds aren't redeemed, they're clearly just holding back their evil ambitions until Steven freaking dies or something.

[@gheata_playz874]

I can't tell if you're being serious or not

[@codafett]

@@gheata_playz874 Is that difficult to believe?

[@Perskan.]

@@codafett they did nothing wrong

[@bernardogarabana8580]

The diamonds are a family, a beautiful homicidal family that deal with a loved one's death by killing and torturing millions, acording to the crewnuvirse the lovely space tyrants are redeemed, and also they commited all those attocites and by the end of SUF they haven't face consecuences, the crewuniverse can't write good villains Rebecca can't create convincing character arcs only peridot's.

[@ReblazeGaming]

I know this comment is years old but you were spittin facts