Stop using Zapier, Make, n8n

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[@TheoParis]

I just saw the previous video on n8n - you earned a new subscriber!

[@adomakins]

Thanks bro!

[@Nathan-pu9um]

When scoping Make and n8n is just so powerful especially with working with clients, trick would be if you could use n8n or make to visualise, then still have access to the source code of the modules when scaling. Its so powerful because a PM can use low code no code to translate to the Software Dev and still understand the highlevel technicals

[@adomakins]

Yeah 100%, keeping a visual diagram of how things work is also helpful. Could use a mermaid diagram to represent the code as well since AI could easily make that for you

[@NoskiNoski]

In Make You can: Edit scenario json in editor and also you can use modules with custom code. This gives you a lot of flexibility

[@adomakins]

@@NoskiNoski Yeah if that's enough flexibility and you don't mind fixed pricing then Make is a good option

[@andrewlewin6525]

I chuckled at this video, yes if the types are in place, it puts a lot of rails and safeguards in place. Massive time saver, In the industry, they call them foot guns, cause you can blow your own foot off with silly typing mistakes.

[@adomakins]

Yeah footgun is a hilarious term, honestly I haven't come across any footguns yet. JS was an entire footgun for me, getting the types right meant spending hours staring at documentation and using like 5,000,000 console.log() statements

[@Chris_Faraday]

Foot guns 🤣

[@iamatrix1]

I never comment on videos.. but you had me laughing so much. I've been a programmer for 30 yrs.. we call this style of execution "queuing". Interesting way of doing it.. make your life easier, look at cursor ide or claude dev. Copilot sucks..

[@adomakins]

Dude I fucking love it. I was using Continue.dev with VS Code and Mixtral as the autocomplete and it was way worse. Copilot feels like fucking magic. But having Claude as a backup to review code and ask about syntax is definitely good too.

[@maximeaube1619]

​@adomakins yes Copilot autocomplete is better but Continue has better customization (including choice of autocomplete model) and overall experience, with a lot of context options and actual llm conversations, while Copilot doesn't seem to remember any of the previous messages in the conversations. It's just simple completion based on the last question, which sucks especially when compared to an open source free tool. Github can do better with all that Microsoft money and sweet sweet licence violation on a massive scale.

[@Quetalocatl]

For me copilot works perfectly well especially on Rust and Typescript

[@suleimana5063]

checkout supermaven, and thank me later

[@dereksturman4466]

n8n actually does have a 'retry on fail' feature. Just click the gear icon for an individual step to set up that logic. There are certainly benefits to something like Trigger though! =

[@adomakins]

Oh word thanks man! That makes a ton of sense. But yeah still not a fan any more sadly

[@StephenRayner]

It’s amazing listening to you. You are sharing valuable information and watching you discover the amazingness of typescript whilst calling it low / no code because of all the modern tech that’s available is awesome.

[@StephenRayner]

PS type X = {} and for interface it is interface X {} Difference is type needs an equal sign. Also lambda can only run for 15 minutes before it times out. It’s a massive headache if you want it to resume after a day. You have to use AWS StepFunctions. I use Inngest for this as it’s so much better. It’s called Event driven architecture.

[@adomakins]

Appreicate that man!

[@samds7750]

Man your videos and recommendations are so super useful. Please please keep making them.

[@adomakins]

Thank you bro! Will do

[@makelife9661]

It's pretty expensive if you run every second a simple 0.5 GiB task. About 82 USD per month. My VPS with 2 GiB costs 20 USD incl traffic. Does more costs less.

[@adomakins]

Yeah fair enough, I'd rather pay more for easier debugging though and all the other features

[@Chris_Faraday]

The energy the knowledge the strategy the tactis = insta sub

[@adomakins]

Thank you bro!

[@tumoxa24]

Hi Adam, great video! What triggers (cha-cha) my suspicions though is that project is so much in the shadows. It went through Y-combinator, but there is almost nothing out there about it. A handful of year-old videos on YT, no recent content, no tutorials, no anything. Compared to n8n it is kinda dead. What's wrong? Even the way you start your video - "if it went away...". What's your take on it? Still worth investing time and effort into it?

[@adomakins]

Haha yeah good catch lol! It has a really healthy discord that I'm in a lot of the time and the founders seem to be in all of the time. Definitely more low key than I guess I'd hope but I think they have really solid product market fit so I don't think they'll go away. Definitely worth using though, nothing beats it

[@BradleyKieser]

Thanks for the tip. Been looking at what to use. Node red is also like that.

[@adomakins]

Yeah heard of Node Red! I like Trigger because the UI is so nice and modern. Not many platforms have a sleek UI like Trigger

[@Nathan-pu9um]

Damn ive been taking the time to research last week, started with make because it looked cool, went to n8n because of the cost, and now thinking about trigger 😅...

[@seanknowles9985]

If you like co-pilot then you'll like Cursor.

[@adomakins]

Yeah I remember hearing about Cursor. I use Zed though and they integrate with Copilot really well

[@seanknowles9985]

@@adomakins I do like zed but for my daily driver Cursor is literally head and shoulders above everything. I tried them all and Cursor smashed everything.

[@adomakins]

@@seanknowles9985 Ohhh yo I didn't realize it was a full-on editor. That actually looks sick I'll have to try it out

[@semontrashbin799]

Man i love your Energy, im sure if you put more effort in making these videos (talking about quality) your channel will blow up 100%

[@adomakins]

Thank you bro! Definitely could put more editing in but it's just not worth it lmao

[@ibnurasikh]

very enjoyable explanation, i have the exact same pain point on n8n like you ;))

[@adomakins]

Bro that's hilarious so it's not just me Yeah changing shit around in Trigger is so much better, you get full type-checking and you can see the run logs way easier than n8n. One thing that bothered me with n8n was using ${{ ['Node Example'].json.object.value }} because you have to guess and it doesn't tell you what it looks like. And by default it just uses ${{ json.object.value }} for the previous node, but when you switch things around they break and you have to re-test the entire workflow even though everything works except that one part that COULD be working fine if it weren't for the UX decisions.

[@ibnurasikh]

​@@adomakinsYes, that's absolutely true. It happens to me most of the time. I really love doing easy drag-and-drop integrations in n8n, but there’s a lot of testing and inconsistency involved. I often end up using a lot of console logs because I usually need to manipulate the raw data/value before sending it to the next workflow, and that’s the hardest part. However, now with AI tools like Copilot, which I also use, it's much faster to generate workflows automatically. We can even use AI to generate TypeScript types from an API response. For example, we can copy the sample response data from their documentation, send it to the AI to create the TypeScript types, and then embed them in a fetch generic, so we can use it with type safety. But overall, n8n is still the best for me when working with people, like the marketing team, who don't know programming. I don't need to open another app like Excalidraw and manually create diagrams from scratch to explain how things work, n8n makes presentations easier.

[@GB007-]

You can use fucking text edit 😂😂

[@Jason-ju7df]

I want to see build something with it and also show your AI coding workflow

[@adomakins]

That's a great idea!

[@ARodRocks]

Great video bro! Super pumped to dive in to this 💪

[@adomakins]

Awesome man! Yeah I'm still loving it bro so easy to see when things are running smoothly or need fixing!

[@DreamTeamExtreme]

Love the energy...+1 sub

[@jeramee]

No Python SDK. Aight imma head out…no but for real I like this tool but I’ll wait for Python support

[@adomakins]

Ha yeah fair enough, what would you use it for? I like typescript because everything else I do is written in TS so I don't need to break habits like semicolons or something to use it

[@lesismodi]

Bro how do i check the apps that I can integrate with trigger? i want to do social media automation like Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Tiktok and Facebook

[@adomakins]

Yeah for that you'll need a seperate tool that can post to social media for you. I've done some stuff with that and it's relatively tricky. The options with an API that you could use from your own code (instead of a UI) are like Ayrshare and GoHighLevel which has a social media manager but they're both like $100. I'd say it's worth it because you can make that much easily in a month if you know what you're doing, but it would be nice if there were a cheaper option.

[@sta8hs13]

Thank you very much for the informative video. I advise you to not move your face as much since it's quite distracting and adds no real value. You can just switch it on and off from time to time.

[@adomakins]

Thanks for the tip! Could probably move my face around a bit less

[@letzl]

Thanks for your great videos! Would you say that jumping in as a beginner to automation/coding that trigger´s entry barrier is penetratable? I want to create a start up with AI Agents and Automation and the whole jazz but I am still trying to get an overview over everything.

[@adomakins]

Yeah for sure! You could set up a dedicated server or use a no-code tool for that stuff, but you're gonna hit a wall eventually with the latter, and the former is just a PITA. Using Trigger isn't rocket science, but I'd give yourself maybe 3-4 hours to understand how to set it up and then the first few things are going to be slow as you learn to understand everything. But I hadn't coded in years until a few months back and just jumped it. Honestly with AI it's so fucking approachable (but I recommend Claude over ChatGPT)

[@letzl]

@@adomakins Hey Adam, thanks for your quick reply, really appreciate it :)

[@adomakins]

@@letzl No problem!

[@deand6411]

The bottom line is if you want to sell some thing learn to code or hire someone as you’re learning. Like Adam says it’s very easy to learn things now and the people who are going to exist a year in the future are going to be there because they learn fast, since nothing we do today will be the same -get really good at learning using ai ! :)

[@adomakins]

@@deand6411 Yeah bro for sure, and I've been building with react and javascript but I barely know how they work. AI writes 99% of my code and I just hit run and it works.

[@manubier]

How are you setting up webhooks to actually trigger your tasks? Still use n8n or do you run some sort of server to have some endpoints?

[@BatShitAI]

Would you say trigger is better than n8n for all levels of ability? Or only for coders? Great video!

[@adomakins]

Thanks man! If you're interested in coding, I'd say it's better. It's far easier to test and build complicated apps with. But obviously if you don't want to learn to code, then n8n is still fine

[@isabelapetss2]

Are u using loom to make the video?

[@adomakins]

Yepppp

[@northloo]

Bro use cursor IDE + claude instead of zed+copilot. You're welcome

[@adomakins]

Facts bro I actually switched over recently and yeah it's been pretty life-changing

[@northloo]

@@adomakins niice dude. 😂

[@HectorSalazar_hrsalazar]

Check out trigger + cursor 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stassen5243]

Where can I find the built-in APIs web page

[@adomakins]

They actually took it down, now you can use anything!

[@suleimana5063]

bro, i cant find the page 5:13, where it lists all the APIs supported

[@adomakins]

Lol yeah dude they actually took it down because that was the old version, with the new version you can use whatever integration you want

[@suleimana5063]

@@adomakins ic, do they have the documentation for these app anywhere on their docs ?

[@adomakins]

@@suleimana5063 It'll be the same for all apps basically. If you want to use Stripe you'd just use their sdk and then run like stripe.initiateCharge() or whatever so you don't need support from Trigger

[@prutwo2]

How does trigger compare to pipedream?

[@adomakins]

Way better. Pipedream is just like Zapier, Make, or n8n. I've used it before and I wasn't impressed, especially with the pricing. Trigger gives you buckets more control at a fraction of the cost

[@dmitrygolovin8066]

Great content! Can you review Knime, it a no code logic/model builder.

[@adomakins]

Have you used it? I just checked out their website looks corporatey than a mf seems intimidating lol

[@dmitrygolovin8066]

I have tried it and they have some cool features and then there’s some things I don’t like about them but still interesting product.

[@ADHDOCD]

Amazing video! Can you make a coding tutorial you outlined at 11:00 ?

[@adomakins]

Thanks man! What specifically do you want to learn?

[@ADHDOCD]

@@adomakins Maybe its a lot to ask 😅. The whole code structure. How'd you plan everything on the left bar at 11:00 ? handlers, installation, token etc.

[@adomakins]

@@ADHDOCD Lotta coffee and 16 hour days. It might be helpful to make a flow chart for yourself especially for debugging if you have a lot of intertwined workflows. But to build it I just dove in and built things as I went. Worked out quite well.

[@Opeyemi.sanusi]

Do the downside is it takes time to input data so instead go and learn to code. Okay okay 👍🏾 let’s continue. Retrying tasks on failure is the reason to switch? I am 7 minutes in and you haven’t made a strong enough argument. As someone who codes myself I can see the advantages of a tool like that but you can really only see the benefits of you want to build apps on it. These are things I can manually code or use a tool like this to make integration easier. No code tools like Zapier, Make and activepieces are tools for everyday people not just devs. So except that’s the audience you are advertising to, I don’t see how this is better. But thank you for this though! Personally it would be useful but not as an alternative to those tools

[@adomakins]

Fair point, they do have a lot more built in integrations. The problem I see though after using these tools is that you always feel constrained by the UI. Learning to write code (or ask an AI to write code) makes for a way better experience and system.

[@bluetheredpanda]

“takes forever to load” → litterally loads in one sec. Also, this depends on the server it's running on, so stop using Digital Ocean's crap boxes and get a decent server. This is on you. “so many problems when editing” → nope. You just have to know how to use the tool. The steps that are run when testing are intentional, so you don't destroy your data integrity or blow up your infra costs when building. I generally like your vids, and I get that you're excited about another tool, but honestly this seems in bad faith 😕 I'll keep watching the video I guess, but… yeah I don't know I just think that part isn't great.

[@adomakins]

Yeah that's fair enough, I just don't enjoy working with n8n any more because of these UX things. And using Trigger I don't have these so it just makes n8n feel worse. It is probably my fault though

[@bluetheredpanda]

@@adomakins I mean, if you find it tedious, that’s a solid reason not to use it. Trigger seems cool as well, if only a bit outside of my comfort zone - my JS skills are decent but I personally like working in n8n with a mix of no code, and code (being able to use JS and Python in the Code node is just awesome). That being said, I’ll readily admit Trigger seems to be much more rich when it comes to observability. I’m a tad jealous, ah! 😌

[@MrKearnsd]

You don’t even know how to use n8n…

[@adomakins]

Who

[@xrehpicx]

thank u for this

[@adomakins]

No problem!

[@Ben42-Ben42]

All this stuff will go away fast if real LLM agents will be deployed. Your Programmierung language will be you your natural language and the LLM agenda will do the rest.

[@adomakins]

Yeah eventually

[@Ben42-Ben42]

It will take some time and in the Beginning (as we are right now) we will have automation with zapier/make/… and LLM. But over the next 5 years I would say, we don’t need them for 90% of the automation because automation software and agents Change sides/roles.

[@deand6411]

Dude, everything‘s going away. If you haven’t noticed changes is accelerating in software at an exponential rate. The more we use AI the faster you can stand up some thing that’s better with fewer resources and you don’t have to be a smart so everyone can do it.and then using those solutions you build even better solutions that are simpler and easier and it just accelerates. So the trick is to be really fast grab opportunities and then start looking for the nect one.

[@adomakins]

@@deand6411 100%. Yeah being good at executing quickly is the #1 advantage, not the specific tools you use.

[@МаксимСергиенко-г2э]

Вообще не понял, зачем мне эта хрень? Он так же выполняет код примерно как и n8n. Имеет меньше возможностей, чем n8n. Да, n8n более грузной, но бесплатный ебзилмитно на своем сервере. Какую-то АИ функцию показал для программирования кода, так это среда разработки и так же работает написание кода в JeyBrains или как они там называются для кодеров. Нафиг нам это знать для автоматизации?

[@adomakins]

100%

[@Adam-bg9lz]

I want the knowledge that you have! What plugins/extentions do you use for Zed ?

[@adomakins]

I use Claude and that's about it bro, in the settings I turned everything off related to Git. Zed straight out of the box is just fucking good

[@firte3899]

👀

[@irajatsolanki]

I am not coder how to start learning this

[@adomakins]

Easiest way to start is with a tutorial. Vercel has a good tutorial for next.js which uses typescript for building a demo website and you can follow along step by step. Then once you feel comfortable you can mess around with trying things yourself. It's not rocket science though

[@thedhanrajsingh]

Do you have any guide for fetching data from Facebook?

[@adomakins]

I don't what sort of data are you trying to get specifically?

[@thedhanrajsingh]

@@adomakins I want to transfer Facebook lead form data to Google sheet or any crm

[@adomakins]

@@thedhanrajsingh Oh gotcha, idk you'd have to do some research. It's for sure possible without using a paid app to connect to Facebook with, I just don't know the easiest way

[@MariusMusty]

🔥🔥

[@Chris_Faraday]

yes fire 100% - my mentors are all kids now LOL - zoomers rule lol

[@jobautomation]

Thanks!!

[@adomakins]

No problem!

[@AdamEgret]

Ive been triggered

[@adomakins]

Great name btw

[@AdamEgret]

@@adomakins thanks. It's Egret, like the bird 🐦.

[@adomakins]

@@AdamEgret Yeah awesome, I meant your first name tho lmao

[@nightmisterio]

😀😀😀😀😀

[@angloland4539]

♥️

[@sergiosierra2422]

Like ansible bro

[@adomakins]

Yeah but more appraochable Idek what tehy do based on their website

[@ricko13]

dude talks like he's on meth or smth lol btw thnk u for the video, 🎉

[@adomakins]

Haha takes one to know one and you're welcome

[@SaidThaher]

If it was easy to use , you just make it complicated.. they should ban u from affiliate 😂😂😂😂

[@Chris_Faraday]

is he a hack sir? I think not. But I am not dev - I think you are joking he seems pretty solid and confident just free flowing a bit much

[@adomakins]

@@Chris_Faraday Thanks man! Glad to hear I'm not coming off as a TOTAL idiot