The Hero Too Difficult For Professional Players

[@CaptainAdmiralMango]

The lost meepo is the meepo that was left AFK in base to the point that he was forgotten about, then went on his own journey

[@parham1023]

He is also probably the extra meepo you get via talent.

[@DianaProudmoore]

.... I'm quite guilty about using my scepter Meepo as an escape point~

[@CaptainAdmiralMango]

@@DianaProudmoore aren't we all 🤣

[@DianaProudmoore]

@@CaptainAdmiralMango Meepo Express -Tower breaker Edition(my usual build)~ Travel,Vladmir's,Cuirass,Radiance,Bloodstone,Aghanim's~

[@int3r4ct]

Ever since I started playing back in AllStars, Meepo was always one of those heroes that when you saw someone pick you knew you were either in for the easiest or the hardest game of your life. It was always a noob who didn’t know, or a Meepo main who had thousands of hours of nothing but split farming on Meepo

[@canyuxel]

I was a Meepo main on AS, its fairly straightforward if you're used to handling micro like on autopilot. I'd decimate solo-queue lobbies but it gets very tricky when the entire opposing side is a coordinated team (and you're teamed with feeder clowns), your "numbers" advantage turns into a disadvantage real quick.

[@MsHojat]

This is very misleading/wrong. If someone plays mostly or only Meepo it means that they will be calibrated for that performance that they always get for that hero, meaning they will _not_ have abnormally good performance. They might still do really well, but that would count on how well they do in the early game and how well the opponent does and if there are counters on the opposing team. When an experienced Meepo picker picks Meepo, allies force him to the off lane, opponents counterpick with something like ET/ES (or Meepo picks into it, even), there's no reason to expect that experienced player to do well, and more-so should even expect them to do poorly.

[@xkcloud]

What are you doing outside of NL's channel, @int3r4ct? Jkjk

[@XxDotApRoxX69]

​@@MsHojat wtf are you talking about? Literally everything you said is wrong: There was no calibration in Dota allstars, allies don't force meepo into the offlane, you can't counter pick the last hero picked in the draft which is why meepo got banned so often.

[@Unormalism]

I was the guy that would -random for extra gold, land meepo and oh no.

[@kaerret]

once i tried to play meepo, to do that, i started playing Starcraft to improve my micro lol

[@caiofiuzaseixas9027]

Yeah meepo is like "i wanna play warcraft 3 but i also wanna play dota as well"

[@serajalhorani838]

Red alert 3 online would make meepo a walk in the park

[@KiotheCloud]

Me was the opposite i started playing starcraft (broodwar) before playing dota and it was hard to play with only a single unit meepo was my go to hero back in dota(old) and even now on dota2 i can still say my main hero is meepo although i have more heroes in my belt now that i can use properly

[@ryanscott2745]

I was literally thinking while watching this that starcraft would be a good practice to play meepo lol

[@lightofheaven4381]

That’s how abed mastered meepo

[@Randomperson-sz2gq]

When someone in my team picks meepo: we lost When someone in enemy team picks meepo: we lost

[@Drebolaskan]

Here's a simplified version 'When start game: Lose'

[@majmunbezgaca5220]

@@Drebolaskan xD

[@robbierotten2024]

Finally, justice for Meepo. People will never not have strong opinions about the hero as if they know what they’re talking about and that it’s some absolute fact that he’s always garbage tier for some reason. Meepo is a beast, and definitely the most unique hero in the game, with very unique results. You can’t call a hero bad when the entire pro scene is absolutely mortified to face him to the point they obsessively ban him almost every game a Meepo main shows ip

[@MsHojat]

For most of DOTA's history Meepo had a really bad win rate that hovered between like 41 and 49%. It only actually went up above 50% maybe the better half of a decade after DOTA 2 first went publicly playable. But in more recent years there have been a couple periods where Meepo has had high win rates too. Certainly pro level can be slightly different though. It really matters a lot if they can get the right draft and opponent draft for Meepo to work. That, plus someone who can play the hero at an abnormally-high level (which skews the balance outside of gameplay win rate stats) Although on the topic of skill ceiling, for a long time Meepo had a very high skill ceiling. I'd argue for a long time now that ceiling has been somewhat lowered though, due to clones no longer gaining much exp from kills, nor gaining much exp around allies, reducing need to keep the Meepos split to multiple areas as often. I suppose the addition of Dig and MegaMeepo helped return the skill level back a bit though.

[@robbierotten2024]

@@MsHojat Meepo will always have a bad winrate though, because most people playing him won’t be good enough. For most heroes, their winrate is a good indicator of their balance. But for Meepo, it’s been shown that even when he has low win rates he is capable of being extremely impactful when in the right hands. If a characters bad, there’s a limit to how good you are with them will carry you in a game. What Meepo has shown for a while is that in capable hands he is entirely capable of being a very strong hero; he just requires a specialist in a game that discourages being a specialist at the highest levels. His winrate even in the pro scene is hard to know his strength from exactly, because when someone gets good with Meepo he terrorizes the scene so much Meepo gets banned almost every game anyways and won’t be banned in situations they think they can win, which skews with his true winrate numbers alot.

[@nolanstone4723]

No matter the win ratez the TI audience will never not scream at the top of their lungs in excitement when meepo is drafted.

[@goaway7904]

​@MsHojat dude the new aghs makes the hero braindead

[@Real_Genji]

Due to the sheer nature of Meepo, it's quite literally impossible for any human to play him at his max potential

[@sevenpolar3483]

the same could be said for any hero, human reaction times can never match the Dota 2 framerate.

[@MDZ20667]

​@@sevenpolar3483not really, and even if you are right, it's nowhere near true to the same extent as the above statement. When you play meepo, you play up to five heroes instead of one so it's up to five times as hard. In a game such as dota 2 which is very complex and hard to play as one hero, even "easy" heroes such as huskar or pa or lc, imagine if you could watch 5 different parts of the map at the same time and play each hero at the same time perfectly, it's just impossible even if u played dota for everyday for 80 years for 15 hours a day, no human can do that while you can master heroes such as sniper way easier and use their full potential. To your point, even then, you will probably always make small mistakes with positioning or miss last hits or something like that but still it is humanly possible to master other heroes where it will never be possible to fully use meepo's potential unless he gets reworked.

[@saosombachang4480]

​@@MDZ20667I dabble in a little bit of meepo too, and the things you said, that is what keeps me up at night man...

[@MDZ20667]

😁😁@@saosombachang4480

[@Swish_TV]

@@MDZ20667 the only way I would see it possible is if you had hotkeys bound to each meepo so you can quick swap between each within milliseconds. From there, its just picture reference and what you can analyze at each given moment. Master chess players can play multiple games of chess at the same time and magnus carlsen did it blind folded lol

[@NoobMicesters]

To expand the tangent, (in reality its most likely the devs just forgot) but in an lore reason could be, he was originally (when he broke the crystal) he was all of them simultaneously. However over time each individual soul developed their own independent personalities and over time became their own selves.

[@vez3834]

I quite like the idea of having a universe where soul fragments slowly develop into their own beings. Even if there is a clear resemblance between the original and one of the clones, a clone could be very different from another clone. What's the smallest size where a soul fragment would still be able to take control of a full body? Would a smaller fragment still be able to take control of a small body, even if not a full one? Is it possible to clone a clone? Is there a sort of resistance that the body has to its new soul? (analogous to how a body's immune system might attack an implanted organ)

[@HerrrHosen]

@@vez3834 You're describing exactly the sorts of questions that people with dissociative identity disorder have to navigate every day 😅

[@vez3834]

@@HerrrHosen I'm glad the questions make sense to some people at least :D

[@CunnyMuncher]

@@HerrrHosenYeah all 1 of them, and the 9 other ones who pretend to for attention. Antipsychotics fix that, a father figure fixes the ones that pretend to have it.

[@HerrrHosen]

@@CunnyMuncher I have DID,, for the usual reason: severe childhood abuse, committed by my father. It interferes with my daily functioning in profound ways, but if there is a silver lining, it is the ability to inspect and deeply understand the functioning of my own mind. I have a question for your consideration. Why does the existence of people like me, and heroes like Meepo, appear threatening to you?

[@easymoneyfromthe6]

Abed's Meepo back in TI 2016 Wild Card was perfect. That's one of the reasons why he was drafted by NA teams.

[@NoobMicesters]

Then proceeded to get bulba only drafting him storm spirit every game even when it was bad games for it

[@jqa16]

I know him personally through friends we were in a discord call he said that he can't play meepo anymore in the current meta of dota where everyone is as good as him. It takes so much effort to play and mentally exhausting that's why he hasn't played it in years.

[@vangough10]

@@NoobMicesters lol

[@BDtetra]

Surprised you didnt mention Dragon Lance once, that was a complete breakthrough in meepo tech

[@Dyleniz]

Yea that was the meta where you can actually pick meepo with 3rd pick and still out power spike counters with how efficient the build with stats was

[@sameveland8560]

That was stupid and the reason we can't have good stat items is outlier shit like this

[@MsHojat]

Also Rod of Atos. People called me stupid or a noob for using it for such a long time then suddenly top pros start using it, goes into the standard build, and it gets nerfed. And it's not like the item takes skill to use either. In fact if anything it seems best for worse players since they don't need to hit their net as often. But even for Dragon Lance I found it hilarious that people would badmouth me for taking Dragon Lance even _YEARS AFTER_ the item came out. And this was at like Legend level, so it's not like these are even terrible players.

[@PODstudent438]

@@MsHojat you are a legend!

[@thehoogard]

Was looking for this comment.

[@scottrobinson4611]

Just watching this as a LoL player. I played a little DOTA back in 2014-15, but I never experienced Meepo. This Hero seems totally insane. The sheer potential of being in control of this many copies of the same Hero at the same time is immense. The complexity and skill ceiling is far beyond my tiny little brain. Huge respect to all the Meepo mains out there

[@vincentizghra6144]

Great hero. There are some draw-backs though. He has a lot of counters, for example earth shaker, a hero that does extra damage with his ultimate the more enemies are around him, and has 2 big aoe stuns. He can't use spell shield on clones(black king bar) meaning retreat is sometimes impossible if the opposing team has any kind of lockdown. Any aoe slows and stuns are devastating for him.

[@nelmvn]

I remember when I was a little kid, playing DotA in Warcraft 3 is my only game I can play with my friends, and I mained Meepo, Using TAB and UNIT CONTROL using 1 to 4 Button are fucking confusing at first but I manage to master it and I always dominate every single game. Garena, man, I feel so old when I remember those. I kinda miss it. Garena Era is the best era for me, NO MMR, NO BAN, JUST TRASHTALK AHAHAHAHAHAHA. If someone left the game, the game still go on, no one never give up. Sometimes you will feel fucking devastated if you see your fucking Fountain destroyed by enemies 😂😂 and Spawn kills you over and over again 😂😂😂. When the Dota2 comes out, everything has changed. DotA players quit and play other game such as LoL and HON.

[@alexr6448]

the worse thing about him is that he is not a bad hero even without the 1k hrs

[@KILOBify]

Definitely has a high skill ceiling, but I think it's silly how complex folks pretend he is. Rather, there are not many people who have learned or are aware of some very simple methods for controlling more than one unit. The sort of skills that are present in RTS games, but not generally necessary in MOBAs.

[@alexr6448]

Its the infinite layers of bag of tricks. Then after the tricks. Meepo mops you with practically infinite bind

[@Bagginsess]

It would be cool if you gave a little 1 minute backstory of the hero as they were in warcraft 3/dota 1. Great video as always :)

[@oscara1573]

same. I dont play dota anymore and i barely played dota 2 i only follow these videos more for hero lore and development

[@deshtom]

That lore tangent made me laugh by the end. So much research went into this one thing which I know a lot of people don’t care about, but it really is important to be clear with how you refer to a character, and it’s fun to see how you dug into it way too much.

[@hrodiyx64]

Baumi bought shard and didn't want to waste it

[@parham1023]

I was like: no way he wasted so much time on such a usless topic XD. I still call puck her altho her pronouns is IT. Like my man, they are video game characters who tf cares. Gonna give him respect for dedication, tho.

[@thesmart4128]

yeah it was so annoying and redundant

[@pitofomen]

I loved the tangent. The pronouns a character use to describe themselves is important for their identity, if you care about lore and stuff, and it leads to such interesting diversions.

[@parham1023]

@pitofomen they didn't choose this pronoun, tho. Cause they aren't real. Valve gave it to them.

[@joshuamiller7502]

Oh my god I didnt realize it was Baumi until like halfway through. Dude I used to watch you ALL THE TIME when i was like 13... I'm 22 now. Pimp my Peon, that clash free for all custom game I think you made, I remember when you first got into angel arenas like allstars and blackstar and decided to make your own and it legitimately became my all time favorite custom game and I actually enjoyed it more than normal Dota, it was a fascinating take on competitive Team Deathmatch Moba game that still incorporates the farming aspect at the core of the Moba genre. God i love OAA. O MY GOD and when you first met your wife, when she first started appearing in videos and custom games. The crew that i VERY SADLY can't quite remember their names, but i used to love them as a kid. DOTA IMBA. That boat game on the old client.Working on that one space game as a game designer, going back to UNI. Its crazy because I'm doing all those things now, not game designing im trying to become a scientist but still. You were such a pivotal part of my childhood and my love for Dota as a whole. I used to dream that someday id be able to donate a million dollars to repay back all the good times i had watching your videos and interacting with the MNI community. haha not there yet... but maybe some day. Anyways, good vibes man, glad to see your still going strong. Sincerely - A pretty big Fan

[@nwcleear]

Same dude, the baumi jumpscare is too funny

[@Holidoll]

When you went off on the singular vs plural Meepo thing I could feel my brain slowly splitting into 5 Meepo

[@THEPINAPPLEABLE]

Dota players are so gay

[@miguelronilla3430]

Lvl 25 talent should add another meepo,and the aghanims shard gives also another meepo

[@FootOfDOOM]

Yes, more hot keys! More more more!!!

[@dontblattme7227]

That would probably scale way too fast tpo suddenly and itd bend over thr enemy team way too fasr

[@silentstorm1509]

1400 gold for another clone yikes how about no thanks

[@DJTimeLock]

well thats how the old ags used to be lol

[@kirjoittajajoni]

And the Aghs upgrade gives… another Meepo

[@DiDotes]

My man, these videos are the definition of above and beyond. I now know more about Meepo's self-identity and lore than anyone working at Valve haha. Keep up the great work!

[@semesabrown8203]

​@@namagem0main meepo is voldemort, clones are horcruxes

[@Why_Blue]

Adding on to the tangent I think that Meepo is one being but all of his clones had different experiences so they developed slightly different personalities over time. Now they do all level up at the same time so that could dispute this but I'm not exactly sure how the lore explains levels. It could be possible that they all share the same psychological Id, but have separate ego's and superego's which would give them a shared unconscious connection and would also explain how they can poof to each other but I don't think anyone at valve got that deep into the lore of how he's supposed to exist. As for the lost meepo it looks like he's alot older so maybe that's just one of his family members idk.

[@rofl1rofl2]

It's like a physical embodiment of a split personality disorder. Instead of one meepo personality at a time being in charge of the shared body they manifest as duplicates.

[@r.pizzamonkey7379]

I think you're right. I think Meepos are like a bunch of copies of the same person with different experiences, but a psychic connection which means they share a lot of their knowledge and etc. I think the lost meepo somehow lost his connection to the greater meepo, which made him age rapidly and suffer from various health effects.

[@Izunundara]

Noospheric Meepomind

[@TheShurimanPigeon]

Alrighty gonna throw my weeb hat into the ring, I see Meepo and his clones a bit like Naruto and his shadow clones. All duplicates of the same person AT THE TIME OF CASTING but can be influenced by personal experiences. Say for example you took someone exercising and made a perfect clone in the middle of it. One of them keeps working out day after day while the other decides to stop and just laze about. One gets fit and the other gets fat. But they're both the same. I guess in a sense Meepo is literally a parallel universe gathering of different hims

[@melancholy9236]

it's like twins, triplets, or quadruplets who grew up separately.

[@AkshayGaneshkumarNSx]

i wish notail as a carry with meepo could’ve been mentioned more. I know he didn’t use meepo at the Ti and these videos are Ti centric but still, a classic in my opinion.

[@gungrave10]

Holy shit NoTail meepo is the shit. But didn't during that time Meepo is sort of like a signature hero for w33?

[@AkshayGaneshkumarNSx]

@@gungrave10 Yeah kind of, for the player w33 meepo was signature but when notail brought it out- man, it was something else

[@tomka1418]

Im a League player but this one was very interesting to watch. Seeing what one of the most difficult heroes in Dota looks like, although I could understand half of the things you were saying I really enjoyed watching the history of Meepo. Great video.

[@vukvla2046]

LoL hardest champs: fiora, ezreal, yasuo, katarina... Dota 2 hardest champ: you play as 5 players gl bro xd

[@kang1983]

@@vukvla2046all of leagues hardest champs are usually ones where you have to micromanage certain things similar to meepo clones (azir soldiers, aphelios guns, gp barrels)

[@ultimaabyssal2484]

​@kang1983 Crazy how League's hardest champs are both broken S tiers on average and are extremely easy to master at a "fundamental" level. No way GP is even a tenth as difficult as Meepo, especially when his skillcap is...placing barrel chains. Or Aphelios, who has to micromanage guns...but has the best autos in the game bar none. Sure you can learn cool tech like GP's "ghost barrels", but that still will never be as difficult to perform as the average of Dota's hardest.

[@kang1983]

@@ultimaabyssal2484i didnt say they were harder than meepo

[@user-sz9vt4sd7y]

​@@ultimaabyssal2484delusional

[@vincentgasatan9393]

THANK YOU SO MUCH . I FINISH 1HR OF THIS VIDEO WITHOUT EVEN GETTING BORED. MEEPO IS MY FAVORITE HERO. I REACHED IMMORTAL BECAUSE OF HIM.

[@imlatinguy2134]

I have been playing meepo for 2 years now, not very good tbh but playing meepo just feels amazing, lost a LOT of games before a decent one, now is one of my best heros, almost not losing with it now, totally worth it.

[@ante4331]

nice nice, what is your mmr may i ask? Just curious xD

[@BreadAccountant]

I had the same experience. Playing well on meepo just makes you dumpster the entire enemy team. feels so good

[@sushiwushi5335]

​@@BreadAccountantmeepo the perfect hero to play the game yourself😂

[@Bixmy]

Opposite of mine i stop playing him for 2 years now since the nerf hes not viable in anyway in current meta. If they decided to ever buff him back im definitly picking him back up

[@VigaveFoc]

Great Video Baumi, ur Stories of Dota Videos are trully getting better by the minute. Sing Sing was such a beast player, shame he didn`t have the right conditions to win a Major tournament, he deserved it.

[@SomniaCE]

As someone who has just played a lot of HotS and League, I always enjoy hearing about Dota. Meepo is like the Lost Vikings but even more skill intensive somehow, super neat!!

[@TheZiadGuides]

I played meepo one time cuz I thot it was the banning stage(I do NOT play micro hero’s). Needless to say I went 0 20 and even tho I hate him I respect anyone who can play them even slightly competently

[@CheeseWedge056]

I've never played dotage, but enjoy watching it and have played other mobas, and the production quality on this channel always makes the videos worth a watch even if I've never heard about the character before.

[@Joyexer]

Man, I really love this hero. Playing him is so unique and so much fun. I really think the new, bigger map suits him really well and his recent patches have been really good as well. I feel like pros have maybe forgotten how crazy this hero can be.

[@lurkingherkin1223]

One time I was in a pub with my mates, I was new to dota at the time and I played Huskar a lot cuz of the op magic res. Anyway my friends were playing dota for years by then and one of them said that he’s actually made good progress learning meepo, gotten better with keybinds and all that. I, unknowing wtf a meepo even was all I knew was Huskar, says that yeah man I’m getting pretty fucken good with Huskar too. The looks I got from them were amusing

[@zpektar]

finally, a good dota 2 content creator Ive been waiting for this exact one

[@MentalVideographer]

Listen. If Christianity gets to say 'we only have one god, but that god is three people simultaneously that are not just the same person' and be taken seriously, then fuck it, Meepo can do it too. There is only one Meepo, but that Meepo is in five bodies, and those bodies are also, on their own, also Meepo.

[@MrNikostheone]

Amazed by the love and passion you show for the content you create man. Thank you for this awesome video!

[@Star22233]

As always a fantastic indepth anlysis, videos will be slow but I know I will watch every single one!

[@5chneemensch138]

Meepo is only difficult because Valve refuses to implement mist basic and findamental RTS/RTT mechanics like formation movement. In D1 he is incredibly easy.

[@goaway7904]

formation movement like patrol in sc2?

[@christaylor86]

Keep telling yourself that lol

[@chupasaurus]

@@goaway7904 Patrol order always was in Dota2. OP talks about feature in WC3 that forces a group of units to keep their current formation, the main usage for Meepo is to have them in the same order for chain-casting.

[@goaway7904]

@@chupasaurus yeah i know patrol is in dota but in sc2 if u make units patrol they stay the same distant apart from eachother as they move

[@chupasaurus]

@@goaway7904 I know about magicboxing too, but it's specific to SC2 because devs wanted to avoid mutastacks, it isn't there in any other Westwood-style RTS I could think of.

[@Milzy20]

Great Video! FYI @ 8:23 you might want to blackout that guys name haha

[@SkeIIum]

There's a book line by Peter F Hamilton where some people decide to go "Multiple" they have one or more bodies grown and their consciousness implanted in them as a copy of their original consciousness all of which are bound together in a form of quantum hivemind. It's not delved into too deeply but it's interesting, given that every one of you is still you the concept of jealousy for yourself isn't an issue in the arrangement and different aspects of you assume different roles much like hands or arms do. Since it's a post scarcity society there's not an issue of overly favoring one of yourselves.

[@kayn9651]

Meepo's potential map-wide presence and all the micromanagement that can go into that really could make him a potential pick for like RTS players wanting to get into MOBAs, especially something like a Warcraft 3 pro that's used to micro-managing multiple heroes on the map and base building. But yeah, for the average player, there's not much reason to burden one's self with learning the hero. - Want clones? Play phantom lancer. Want the lock-down and scouting? Play Mirana. Want map presence? I dunno, play mid and buy a blink dagger or something.

[@Nick-ym4gh]

Man that background music at 3:00 remembers me so much about morgan freemans narrating in the shawshank redemption; "I remember it as if it was yesterday; when i saw meepo for the first time he immediately struck my eye. When he came out that bus i could tell: That man was actually four guys."

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

i'd like to confuse the debate even further : you are a part of your brain, your conciounsness is one part of it , the only thing that stop your brain from doing muliple concioucnes in paralel is that it uselss . you could have mulltiple conciousness and never ever be able to know it . further : your identity is more defined by other than by yourself , so how many of version of you existe there is no soul, there is no absolute definition of you , you could be multiple . source: i had a quite severe case of disociation

[@AKMAHASANULHAQUE]

Meepo is such a Hero that can be played by 4 man at same time 😂👀

[@Darti7]

"Can I Meepo? I have perfect macro skills"

[@thendar823]

Micro skills

[@Darti7]

@@thendar823 you are right

[@king_kunta_0]

Meepo's 35% magic resistance was also innate since 6.78 (he was the only one who had a different base magic res, whereas every other hero had 25%), wherein it was normalized to 25% in patch 7.07c. The magic res was later readded into Divided We Stand in 7.31.

[@lemeres2478]

11:30 "Our pronouns are 'they/them'. Not because We are not binary. It is because we are 4 toxic trolls"

[@Graysett]

I've been playing LoL since season 2, only tried to play DotA for like a day and a half before I gave up, and I just discovered and binge watched every single video you have. I'm telling you now, I will watch every one of these you make, I know next to nothing about DotA but I was able to perfectly follow along with everything you said (not so much what you showed, teamfights are still confusing for me to keep track of but that's my fault). I hope Dragon Knight gets one of these, he was the one I was gonna try to main if I'd kept playing.

[@sameveland8560]

dk piss easy bro get a blink for fighting or midas for farming take towers with your ult and use breathe fire to cs+harass, blink stun into fights ongoing with dk ult up and ull be playing the hero, also use his 2nd level ult to clear huge stacks.

[@sameveland8560]

and if u playing carry dk go mjol ac or something

[@Taintedveins7]

Been watching a few and I knew immediately this was Baumi, good stuff dude!

[@3XZDgg]

algo brought me here and damn this vid brings back memories for his mid 30s guy. i grew up playing wc2, c&c, aoe, etc and was around to play the 1.x versions of dota. me and a few buddies coulda gone pro (at the time, 16.x-ish) 'cuz we had actual rts experience and were rolling the moba-only players with meepo, chen, og silencer with the internals, druid with bear build, etc. but pro gaming wasn't anywhere near where it was today. we made bank doing wagers in the gaming cafes in city, then our province. then life happened.

[@jaakko14]

Great video. I think N0tail also deserves a mention as a meepo expert. He was a support player mostly and sadly got to showcase his Meepo at tournaments really rarely.

[@btandynapoles]

at 8:19 theres no way he didnt see that dudes name

[@dudoli24]

i laughed so hard xddd

[@Sman16]

I haven't mained meepo in years ever since my old mmo mouse broke but back in the day he was fun af, I even managed a +60% wr with him

[@andrasjuhasz5064]

Nice video again. I am waiting for a video from Rubick.

[@semafreak]

There was a guy yesterday who picked Meepo in ranked, told us to trust him and that he would carry. He fed the most and we lost lmao

[@MsHojat]

Games are never guaranteed. Everyone has bad games occasionally. This sort of thing happens with any hero.

[@yourdemiseishere]

Meepo can be he or they because they were all one and semi autonomous so it's more like a centralized hivemind on the prime, sorta like drones linked up to a computer. But those drones used to be a bigger computer together. Imagine if you had 2 bodies but your physical 2 brains react differently as they would being in 2 different positions and factors leading up to it to where it's more like you reacting in a slightly different timeline but at the end of the day you are very much the same and can connect perfectly due to it, 2 bodies one shared concious. I always liked characters like this, it's like one brain on multiple bodies, a general feeling before you get entirely to the physical, i always called it a mutual hivemind. In this case literal soul splitting where when together they are always wanting and working for the same thing and usually has similar movements if coordinated enough so it's like my mutual hivemind thought but with more autonomy in the bodies themselves which would lead to the lost meepo sorta making sense and maybe unconnecting from the rest due to distance/time.

[@pikusek2550]

Oh shit i used to watch a shit ton of Baumi wids when i was younger, dota always fascinated me this content is perfect now ngl, keep it up man. I'll binge

[@ISiriusI]

Astounding work, great analysis. I'm really looking forward to watching an episode about Invoker.

[@memph1ston]

There is a tabletop RPG called "Ultraviolet Grasslands" which has entities known as Porcelain Princes, and Meepo could very well be one of those :)

[@ericjensen7580]

The meepo lore tangent sounds like something out of Elden Ring (Marika is Radagon). C9/Vici game was so awesome. Great draft and strategy against the push.

[@sadpee7710]

i think the meepo clones have some type of individuality but not because they're seperate beings but because the soul pieces aren't identical. i'm kind of imagining like of those cartoon clone type episodes were some guy makes a clone of themself but it's imperfect and only captures one part of their personality, so you can have the clone who loves eating or smt and then you can have the evil clone that has all the worst aspects of that person. so imagine that however rather than creating a new person, the personality of a single complex individual is instead compartmentalized and seperated while still being the same single person. divided yet united. a better example would be to just imagine harry from disco elysium. all his skills and perspectives have seperated and can talk to each other but they're all still him.

[@Lyderc91]

I was a pretty good MOBA player in my days. Dota 1, Heroes of Newerth, League in early seasons and of course Dota 2. I was best in my role in Europe in Heroes of Newerth even. When I played Dota 2 I tried almost every hero, being able to be proficent with the "weird" ones like Chen or Rubick. I was a Solo-Jungle Initiator in Dota 2, which means things like Enigma, clockwerk and sometimes even tidehunter. And I was good at it. I could read the game flow and initiate or counter initiate with precision. One of the most funniest coments I ever received was "Your Rubick is a better Enigma than ours" (Which was true, I was a pretty damn good Enigma). But Meepo. It took me A LOT of time to get the fingers used to play Meepo and be good at it, but there was always a limit to the number of meepos I could handle... and that was Main+2. 4th and 5th were hell for me. All my respect to the Meepo players. There was usually the stoopid friend that said Invoker was the hardest hero in Dota 2. But a Meepo Player could master invoker in 20 mins of the first game they played.

[@yuzycute]

Meepo is mentally exhausting now unlike before. He's great but every time I play a game or 2, I quit and rest, this mental stress is probably one of the reason why he's not seen in competitive recently since they have to play tons of matches in a day.

[@Brazio20]

it is one of the reason. In TI9 True Sight Insight, w33 said he doesn't play a lot of Meepo competitively because of the mental toll it takes to play Meepo at such a high level.

[@AngrocSound]

Why more exhausting now?

[@yuzycute]

@@AngrocSound well previously you can just buy aghs have 3 meepo and go to early skirmishes, you also level up faster than ur enemies so you can really stomp early in the game. Now meepo is on the same playing ground as the enemy and most heroes kits has aoe now, so you have to look out for tons of factors to micromanage add to it dota's macromanage nature. So you'll really be tired when having many things to micro and macro. I remember eons ago I can just look at meepo's lvl and the enemy's lvl and I can unga-bunga with blink coz I am way ahead with levels and items.

[@quijassajiuq900]

I loved that tangent so much lmao

[@lankern89]

I havent played dota for years but this video was great! i love it when someone has passion for something and can make a great video like this with an underused hero and talk about it for 1 hour

[@billards9285]

Huge disagree on Meepo being one entity split amongst multiple bodies (Essentially a hive mind). All the evidence goes to the contrary of that. I'll lead with, what I think is, the killer piece of evidence. In Artifact, one Meepo will say to another "I don't know what the other Meepo is thinking, but I sure hope he has a plan." This line proves that each Meepo has their own independent thoughts, and are their own unique Entity. Stronger evidence couldn't possibly exist if you ask me. Another text from the Divided we stand card makes it clear that all the Meepos "Don't always get along", and "are always getting each other into trouble". So, it's very clear that meepo's consistently do things "Independent of the group", and they each free to do whatever they want. Also Also, in the Artifact Voice lines Meepo Says things like "Hey Meepo! Meepo! Over Here! Get Over Here Meepo!" which is one meepo trying to vocally get the attention of another. Plus, Meepo himself, and other Heroes constantly refer to multiple Meepo's in the plural. He only uses the singular when talking about a singular meepo. This reading works for every single situation, and text. The one entity reading simply does not. There isn't a single time in all of the lore where Meepo clearly, and indisputably, refers to the entire group of Meepos in the singular, so I don't see any reason why we should. Also the Lost Meepo is perfectly explainable in this scenario, and does make perfect sense. One Meepo simply got lost in the caves, while all the other Meepo's all haven't died. It's simple. "Why doesn't he just poof?" Because if you read the lore of poof, poofing isn't some innate power Meepo's have. They do it by Breaking Riftshadow Crystals. If he lost his Crystals, he would have no way of getting back. Are there crystals visible on his model? Nope. Regular Meepos have them on his back, but not the Lost Meepo. My view of Meepo is that it is a group of individuals with a lot in common, who enjoy being around eachother, and who also just so happen to be HEAVILY incentivized to save one another when they get into trouble I think that readings works under Occams Razor, as well as under deeper analysis.

[@billards9285]

Thinking Meepo Voiceline for those who want to hear it themself kzbin.info/www/bejne/enrIh4meZbucatU

[@LiarJudas666]

Dota 2 lore with a relaxing voice? this was a great find

[@danilosouzaschmidt3436]

Just for you to know, Baumi, I always forget to THUMBS UP, then do it when u remind me... so keep it going! Good Job!

[@BenzBDO]

41:20 that’s actually DJ they were showing 😅

[@pobblebonking]

the coolest part of this video is when you mentioned liking the video, the like bar flashed with cool colours, didn't know that was a thing

[@josephb1884]

Poof - Most likely includes the pronoun "itself" due to Ability Draft games where anyone could end up with this ability. It would suck to have it and there are no other Meepos to teleport to.

[@jorgefreitas5983]

maybe that's the reason why they allowed you to poof to illusions? So this ability wouldn't be a complete waste of a slot?

[@AhmadShehanshah]

No poof got travel distance in ability draft, its like 2500 distance if i remember correctly, it's not same as meepo's poof

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

The spell's description was written years before AD existed.

[@MsHojat]

There was a period of time where Meepo was in AD, but I'm pretty sure he was removed from it rather quickly because it's OP.

[@logic_matters]

You got to do Rubick next!!! Epic video man, been following from your first video and every time a new one drops, everything else takes the backstage!

[@ArnoldsKtm]

n0tail meepo was the real thing

[@Mate_00]

Lol, here I am listening to a random Dota story as a background, thinking the voice is vaguely familiar when suddenly... Hey, is that Baumi? :D I used to watch you for so many hours way back in the day :D That's a surprise.

[@todd3143]

based on how there are different versions of aghanims, there might be (definitely are) multiple universes, which means there is one where universe where meepo didn't shatter his soul, went on journeys by himself as a vagabond, drifting from place to place, "lost". there's your lost meepo explanation

[@spoof6023]

I dont play dota but i saw the title and was intrigued but he reminds me of the lost vikings from heroes of the storm where im sure they get their gameplay mechanics inspiration from meepo but he also reminds me of Cho'gall who are from wow and also as a playable champ in Hots. They are quite unique in the sense it requires 2 people to play one body. each with their own cool downs but the mage which is Cho is stuck to the tank who is his brother Gall. Gall moves and even auto attacks and has his own abilities that work in tandem to Cho but he is seen as an abyssmal f tier champ because instead of 5 bodies on the field you have 4 and if one dies they both die. The plus being you can never ever 1v1 the character and a really good Duo can dominate any game they're in. They have a passive they can swap to either increase damage resistance and increased self heal for gall or Cho can have better Magical damage. If something is like that in dota i would love to hear about it.

[@dustypigz5153]

i fully beleive after 3watching all your videos so far, that a story on batriders competive history could be very interesting!! seeing all his ups and downs and how he is either sort after or ignored

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

Man do developers do a shit work at making DOTA more accesible. Tried my hand at it, went thru an ok-ish, lackluster tutorial, then "new players are paired with high behaviour score players to ensure an enjoyable experience for everyone". Never once, in almost a hundred games, was I paired with anyone who had less than 4 digits worth of hours played, which resulted in either our team getting stomped, or the other team getting stomped, neither of which is a fun or helpful situation to learn the game

[@startledhamster]

I stopped playing Dota 2 back in 2014-15 and I still remember how much I hated playing against good Meepo players. Even though I haven't played the game in a while, I'm mortified to see how much Meepo was buffed in order to make it viable in pro leagues.

[@thatonegirl1007]

Never played dota in my life, idk how I got recommended this video but it is amazing.

[@MrWitsuki]

As someone who hasn't played dota in years this video made me quite nostalgic. I did miss a special shoutout to the first ever Meepo hero I once heard about. Mr BigDaddy aka N0Tail.

[@Cruncherss]

Never played dota 2 but this is actually really cool character design ultimate skill ceiling You should also have more subs :(

[@SageUndead1]

Hi this is the second video i watched of u first one was about Pudge. I don't play Dota used to play LoL but your videos are really good, like insanely good. Love your pacing of the video. Huge props take my like and subscription and have a good one dude.

[@jheckie14]

That whole Meepo pronoun tangent felt really unhinged. And when you went on to explain alien hand syndrome, I couldn't help laughing at how long it was getting. Hours of research and writing well spent 😂

[@younggod5230]

This is actually frying my league of legends player brain

[@Lildoc911]

I used to main meepo back in WC3 Dota days. I played a lot of RTS back then. I'd farm jungle, and lane at the same time. I could stunlock a player by juggling the nets with each individual meepo. Kiting like a boss. Oh to have my brain and reflexes that sharp again.

[@ZEMPHYRRIANs420gaming-bl7wm]

The biggest problem of Meepo is dota 2's integral delay on commands. It was so much easier controlling Meepo in dota allstars

[@diegomartinez9785]

Do you mind elaborating?

[@itzlaith]

45:08 you said “holded meepo back” im very disappointed baumi it’s held and not holded, holded is not even a word

[@KelGhu]

My favorite Meepo was pre-7.00. Now, Meepo is not fun to play anymore... As a long time Meepo player with over 2000 games. I feel Meepo is broken but in a bad way. You've missed a few things btw - The boots mechanics nerf. They killed the Boots of Travel on Meepo. - Double Dragon Lance instead of Masks. - Geostrike was much better than Ransack. The slow went through immunity. And with 5 Meepos, it was impossible to get away from Meepo. Geostrike was also stacking like crazy. With 5 Meepos, it was 200 dmg/s. And you could also add stacks from illusions. 🤯

[@scotthalligan5702]

Meepo is my favorite character in dota 2. Theres nothing like 5 cave gremlins beating the life out of some poor guy with little shovels

[@nomedeuusuario]

28:30 remember guys, at this time jakiro and earthshaker suposed to be meppo's counters

[@wowmaniac112]

adding to the tangent - on the Artefact card for Divided we Stand, you missed the fact that at the bottom Meepo mentions "if you can't count on yourselves - who can you count on?". This implies it's the same rules as the DoTA 2 description, where it's just the same 1 person split into copies. The I and We is written from the perspective of Meepo 1 or the main Meepo talking about his copies, rather than different Meepo's.

[@tamteetleytoo4532]

These videos are such high quality, I really appreciate them even though I don't play and don't intend to play dota. They're just so well made

[@TheTolnoc]

Reminds me of Murky the Murloc from HotS.

[@angrybeverage1836]

I know that you mentioned at the start of the video that you'll only be looking at Meepo's TI stats. But at the end where you said that SingSing was the first feels a bit weird when you have Notail. There was a time when Notail Meepo was as iconic of a player/hero pairing as Puppey Chen or Dendi Pudge. Once again, I understand that this is TI ONLY stats and Notail has never played Meepo on the biggest stage. Just a tiny nitpick. Otherwise, great video.

[@Monkeydew1o2]

Man this takes me back. I was ranked 3 Meepo for a time just out of beta. I would wake up practice from 5 - 7 then go to school then practice 2-2...

[@Zellie1994]

11:00 If you spend time researching a tangent, you better believe that tangent is going in the video. Interesting stuff anyway.

[@longbottomleaf6918]

Great video, glad I found your channel!

[@shemsuhor8763]

I used to play a ton of Meepo back in TFT, he was absolutely insane. I can't even play Dota 2, it doesn't "feel" like DOTA to me, never did. Maybe I'll try it again some time.

[@larjudetablando7565]

wait I was shocked upon seeing baumi in the midroll, and JUST REALIZED that this was Baumi's voice all along.

[@Koush88]

i remember that voice its baumi! nice to see your still making dota vids

[@kaizenfearlocke6933]

We had a local meepo player in our neighborhood years ago, now he is married and I don't know if he still plays, but years ago, when he played meepo, the game was good as won.

[@detromaniac]

Way back in the WC3 days Meepo was one of my mains because he's such a dickhead to push out of lane if you can micro the clones.

[@gorkemcolakogullari8031]

Hey Baumi, I've been watching you almost every night for over a decade now and I am kinda proud to see you are doing what you really wanted for a long time with this channel. I just think that since this channel is called "Stories of Dota" I believe videos reviewing/analysing big patches might line up with the whole idea of this channel since they affect the game largely ofc if you think the same. I just wanted to say that I would love to see your comments and analysis on those patches. Keep up the good work 😺

[@todd3143]

the meepo farm steal is unreal. the first time i played against meepo, i was conveniently es. we were down 1 t4 and i hit the nastiest 4 man echo slam ever, enough to buy myself a referesher to instakill meepo again when he bought back, and apparently that's all we needed to do to win the game. despite the meepo being level 20 when the rest of my team were around 12- 14, the other team were only 1, 2 levels higher. they had 1 or 2 items. the only one i didn't get in my echo slam was their safelaner, who couldn't defend their base against us. i found out in the postgame chat that the meepo took all the camps and stacks, which left the safelaner with no farm. on the other hand, the gold from the meepo pwn was pretty much an item for each of us, and like 2 levels. last year i queued into a meepo game where the same problem happened. another reason to not pick meepo

[@viktorgabriel2554]

Meepo is a Geomancer Divided we stand could be him creating earth dolls/copies of himself for his shattered souls shards