Where is Overwatch 2 Going?

[@CoachSpilo]

So I'm working on getting a Juno guide put together + impression (will be a week or two), what are y'alls first impressions?

[@Profes24]

First

[@thecar4306]

i love spilo ur so hot i would let u do anything

[@TrollGuyy]

juno is exciting and fun in my opinion . theres finally another hero with speed that isn’t lucio so now I can heal my teammates while speeding them in and out of fights . top tier hero design , just enough mobility without it being a freebie getaway like fade or teleport .

[@tokyonotghoul9066]

I like her so far, I didn't know her lock on missles tracked you behind cover so that scares me a bit so i haver to respect her. On a side note, I got outside for the first time in six months to jog and it felt nice.

[@jackcern6776]

Feels really bad into some heroes, like ashe. She is fun to play,but the reduced fire rate may have been too much.

[@ever611]

I love how their way of balancing and buffing Hanzo is making everybody weaker and actually making hitscans more effective 😂

[@Vastspartan]

What buff? They didnt buff him. The nerfed him again. It takes 3 body shots to kill, his ult is the worst in the game, he cant one shot unlike Widow who is a hitscan sniper. And he lost health. Because they want to compensate for the health nerfs on certain mobile heroes? Utterly retarded. Fire Josh Noh

[@jermu8706]

as long as hanzo arrows have the hitbox of a tree im completely fine with this. season 9 was a mistake all around

[@thewallsarebreathing2509]

Spilo clearing his desk just in case of rage sums up OW2

[@Ralts2]

Overwatch in general tbh, we’ve always had funky patch notes

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

Sam was right when he said the art team deserves a written apology 😂

[@narcodixyadigg781]

Nah, bro is mad for the sake of being mad and the biggest fucking baby I've ever seen. Like actually an Overwatch Karen...

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

Samito said that!!?? 😂😂

[@h2o684]

Art teams back must be ashes

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@siddiqsmouse5004 Yes. And i honestly agree! (As funny as his rage was)

[@o7-pika500]

​@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 FIRE THEM FIRE THEM RIGHT NOW GET OUT!! was the best part imo

[@andrewbowman6821]

spilo saying "imagine if people thought about moira as a numbers character" and then scrolls down to see the devs see moira as a numbers character lol

[@cassiusjoe4907]

That sombra change in particular is going to turn away soooo many casuals. With so many supports seeing their health pool decreased, it’s an even more egregious buff to the area of her kit that a player feels the least amount of “play around” towards. I hope we see an insta patch to that ASAP, otherwise casuals are going to just continue to turn away from this game. Everything else has felt very… meh after a few hours of playing.

[@dth99times]

@@cassiusjoe4907 Had a match yesterday where we were getting destroyed by Sombra so I made it my mission to constantly keep an eye out for her and keep her from killing the supports. My team was equally as frustrated by Sombra, but despite this, they didn't help whatsoever in combatting our Sombra problem. We evened things out in second round push, even getting a faster time than they did, but then the final two rounds came along and they had someone actually helping the Sombra dive. I couldn't handle it without help and especially on Gibraltar Sombra has too many damn places to hide and they almost took the payload to the end whereas we just kind of consistently lost our supports to Sombra while they were too busy healing the tank to shoot the Sombra or heal the person trying to protect them from the Sombra. Maybe I'm just too low rank, or maybe the new placements messed up some people's ranking, but that was one of the least fun matches of Overwatch I've played in years.

[@forthe3136]

Not just casuals everybody hates playing against sombra

[@user-cy6xl3vd3f]

They just need to find a way to make stealth temporary

[@nin_kirsuji5284]

The game cooked at this point fr

[@nin_kirsuji5284]

​@@forthe3136on every body's soul everybody hates sombra but let's nerf genji tho

[@ChefDiesel]

Samito video is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen

[@nikikanchev7947]

Sameee I feel like bro hates the dev team with passion immeasurable to human comprehension😭😭😭

[@NarwhalzNP]

@@nikikanchev7947 just the balance team

[@AetherMoose]

Its embarrassing for him imo

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@nikikanchev7947Just the balance team. He literally said “you need to write a written apology to the art team” 😂

[@thomashigginsmusic]

@@AetherMooseagreed he makes a fool of himself every rage bait video he makes. Made me unsub after his latest baby meltdown

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Yeah playing against a sombra has become incredibly annoying. There is almost never one out of the gate, but rest assured if you pop off in any way, there will be one next team fight. All that person has to do is stand around in your back line and wait for someone to take a hit, and she gets a free kill most of the time. Or if you're a good tank, she'll just hack you endlessly.

[@TV-vz7rf]

One of my least favorite parts about OW2 is that it feels like sombra’s pick rate is through the roof. Idek if it’s true, but sombra feels almost as ubiquitous as mercy now. Sombras in EVERY GAME.

[@reganmcmahon3823]

She's perma picked on console, every game you have a sombra and are playing vs a sombra it's terrible for the game

[@gentlemansquarrel190]

@@reganmcmahon3823can confirm. Last season she had 100% pick rate on god. And they… buff her?

[@Kurppalumppu]

@@TV-vz7rf Sombra genuinely prevents me from even bothering to fire up the game these days. She was NEVER as ubiquitous in OW1. I only saw her frequently in Temple of Anubis second point while on defence back when she could get ult charge from hacked health packs. But as someone with Sigma as their comfort pick, Sombra genuinely ruins the entire game for me and it's not even an exaggeration at this point. Playing against her is consistently infuriating, never fun and always a waste of my time. That character never fails to sour my mood in an instant and the only way to avoid it is to occupy my time with other games instead. I'll continue reading OW patch notes but unless Sombra gets gutted I don't see myself getting hooked on OW like I have been in the past.

[@Doople]

The problem is just her kit. No matter how strong or weak, it is just annoying to have your abilities shut down. The new perm invisibility also just negates all FPS basics. There is no way to know when she is coming beyond ignoring everything and shooting randomly. Just way too easy to get consistent well timed value with no risk

[@penrilfake]

I really dislike the Sombra changes for a number of reasons, as a Sombra main. First off, any change to Virus that promotes the Hack > Virus combo for the crit damage on impact is bad. People hate being hacked. The less reasons she has to do it, the better, and the more they decouple hack from her damage the better he experience for other players. Then, the HP nerf.... Sombra has good mobility, but it's not combat mobility. Translocator is almost never a mid combat tool, so nerfing her HP hurts her pretty bad because she has no ways to counterbalance it. My biggest problem with these changes is that they only polarize her even more: all her good match ups become better bc of the Virus damage and bc a lot of those heroes got hit by the 225 HP change, but all her bad match-ups got worse because she's squishier. Her interactions with Kiriko and Hanzo had been in a decent spot for a long time, but now Kiriki is back to two-tap territory and Hanzo can log her again. I'd gladly trade the virus and speed buff away for the 250 HP. The lower health pool just makes her gameplan more and more and more simplistic.

[@akai_shuichi_x]

Well said, I think that's a common theme across a number of changes they've made within the last few seasons. Making characters more polarizing: better against their good matchups, worse against their bad matchups. It just incentivizes counterswapping even more.

[@baileyskates]

What do you mean translocator isnt a "mid combat tool"? You engage, shoot the enemy and at some point you yeet translocator MID COMBAT to escape,reposition, or dodge cd's. Not sure what youre trying to say.

[@thefatefish]

​@@baileyskatesI think you just fundamentally misunderstood what they meant by "mid-fight mobility". When Sombra translocates out, she's ended her engage. And if she translocates deeper to secure a kill, that kill ends her fight. For example, genji has a ton of mid-fight mobility because he can use his mobility in the middle of his fight and continue fighting after

[@moonyeast]

@@thefatefishwell said

[@timbombadil4046]

​@@thefatefish Plus TL has a travel delay. It's not immediate like Tracer Blink/recall or Genji Dash, it's in many ways closer to (but not as bad as) Shadow Step. It's versatile in where you can go, but janky in function. Tracer gets three blinks and recall. Genji gets dash, double jump, wall climb (and deflect as a defensive cd). Both heroes innately move faster. Sombra has only one cd to escape and her entire mobility advantage gets cancelled by taking damage.

[@beauwulf]

Tracer was gigabuffed this patch, since many of her primary targets have 25hp less.

[@jermu8706]

so 5 less effective hp considering damage nerf, gigabuffed indeed

[@robbywoolums9071]

I’ll make one reactionary call. Place your bets now. How long until they go back on Mercy’s damage boost increase?

[@Joshua-hg1db]

ill give em 2 patches before its reverted

[@Lo0serx3]

​@@Joshua-hg1db that's generous, I'm calling it'll be reverted at mid season

[@o7-pika500]

@@Lo0serx3mid season max

[@MxChloeB42]

I mean since the various hero changes and health changes the difference between 30% and 25% is almost negligible. Hell the health changes did more to address damage boost issues than the reduction to 25%. (like for instance the old Hanzo/Widow bodyshot on Tracer was still possible with 25% when her health was 150) Pretty sure the only breakpoint that changes with this buff is Ram Punch can now 3 shot 250 heroes. Almost everything else stayed the same.

[@itsmebingo]

Frogger is about to be so happy with that damage boost

[@nonbread7911]

Lucio mains truly are eating good after constant loop nerfs

[@abudgie6909]

I’ve always felt that the season 9 changes ruined lucio’s dueling. This is basically a revert back to pre-season 9 breakpoints for lucio, which is great.

[@xEvilRaptorx]

You gotta realize you're in a bad place when you say "oh hey guys, dont worry its not as bad as we thought it'd be" Why are we rationalizing bad changes with "it could be worse" - why accept suboptimal

[@Napp_]

The contrast between creators is crazy

[@YTHandlesWereAMistake]

Someone praising these?

[@tuckmasterg]

​@YTHandlesWereAMistake haven't seen any praise except for the lucio buffs But a lot of content creators and causal player comments under those videos are a mix of "eh it's not bad" and "Why are we buffing sombra and Kiriko"

[@YTHandlesWereAMistake]

@@tuckmasterg please correct me if I'm wrong, but the person above is saying there are those who are not talking negatively about this patch? And spilo himself said pretty much what you stated, except perhaps for kiri.

[@Napp_]

@@YTHandlesWereAMistake They praise changes that some others (samito) hate.

[@alexaugusta6991]

@@Napp_ it’s in some creators best interest to react positively to patches, its opposite for others. The problem is how much the Overwatch team has let down their core audience and never addressed pain points and problematic hero design. So more and more people are thinking negatively about Overwatch, now it’s not just the general gaming, space it’s a majority of core Overwatch fans that are upset with Overwatch.

[@blaisemoffa1823]

Clash is somehow worse than flashpoint. Please get this trash game mode the fuck out of competitive play.

[@secretlyaslug2325]

Even with the changes to last point the map design is so bad. Sitting on point is so stupidly strong it's so frustrating.

[@Barrnickle]

I used to think Widowmaker was my most hated hero, but it’s actually Sombra. I’m so tired of playing against an invisible character that gets to decide when I fight her, disable my abilities, and get a free burst of damage to start off the fight in her favor. She’s a constant pick in most of my games and I do not care what any pro or high level player says, she’s annoying af to play against and extremely oppressive unless the team coordinates to mitigate her impact (this is not going to happen in 90% of games). I don’t like complaining about balance as I’ve grown tired of repeating the same things over and over but this character is single handedly ruining the game for me, just a straight up ass-hole character to play against.

[@whambulance8607]

Widow actually takes skill, Sombra doesn't. She is a braindead crutch and/or counter option. Pairing her up with Dva makes the game unplayable. There is nothing you can do. Nothing at all.

[@greenpig1175]

@@whambulance8607ok I agree with the first take that sombra isn’t very casual friendly, but no… sombra is very obviously a harder character that widow. Widow is not a “hard” OW hero whatsoever and doesn’t really require much OW skill in the first place, you play any fps game and you can play her. Not only that, but sombra is a hard hero. She just so happens to be good against lower skilled players. That’s more a show of their skills and not the hero they are playing against. Either way, she probably shouldn’t remain a noob stomper hero for very long.

[@thenewmissinglink8501]

Yeah never thought I would be playing valorant. But the sombras I've been facing is the main reason why I haven't been playing overwatch fr. Then they talk so much crap in the chat too that really makes it unbearable. So I just play something else fr.

[@Nebby_smells]

Personally ive been an advocator of changing the way sombras hack can affect togglable abilities its frustrating to be completely countered because sombra can literally just undo and prevent your ball mode, or ramattras block, or pharah flight instead of forcing the character out of that state, keep it locked. Pharahs forced to burn out her fuel so thats an interesting way to keep it still viable, Ball is locked into his ball so he cant go tank form to do damage and cant really get out of there because hack still effects his grapple and other moves, ramattra block im not sure tho Tho i am aware this could probably lead to other issues surrounding ball becoming rampant and actually becoming meta perhaps

[@exylophone1]

ball can have all his buffs reverted if you are concerned about a ball meta lol, let ball stay in ball form when cced so he doesnt need his 500hp overhealth+800hp base anymore

[@Nebby_smells]

@@exylophone1yeah I guess you're right

[@gamist8166]

I REALLY hate the torb change. I wish that PASSIVE armor buff he got, went back into his E. It'd literally be the same change, but instead of passive value EVERY player gets.. Which torb doesn't need more of.. Hed have a dueling decision to make. In overwatch 1 in masters, i genuinely picked torb into cass since cass gets to 2 shot most heroes in the blink of an eye. Torb would be great to duel him. If i got the timing down to activate my extra armor right as all my nornal armor was shot off, id have a chance to win. But now? Derrr just only win if the enemy is stupid and sticks around not calculating for the armor you always have. I love torb's aim style and dueling vs hitscan but changes like this tells me they want the torb players to hate blizzard, and they also want everyone facing torb to hate blizzard. So much passive value just goes around this balance team...

[@Oliver.Pfahl.]

It is not the same the armor got traded for 25HP. I get the idea, but that is a bigger buff than you think.

[@user-cy6xl3vd3f]

This patch is a 4/10 for me. They addressed very few of the design issues of each of these characters, didn't touch pylon, nerfed the part of Juno's kit that requires mechanics and buffed the auto lock ability. What I find even more infuriating is that even their arguments to justify some of those nerfs are simply wrong and can be easily disproved. They said that Echo "has been a top performing damage hero recently" when in reality her winrate this month has been 50.34% for 1.33% pick rate in GM. Her stats across all ranks are 50.72% for 1.52%. In fact she is in the bottom half of the DPS category in terms of BOTH PICK RATE AND WIN RATE. They claim to base their balancing around stats (which is not always smart), but even their main source of information actually proves their comments to be wrong. This balance team is truly a disgrace.

[@StellaKwon-k2f]

Hahaha and you still gave it a 4/10 hilarious

[@darkcat6530]

I mean overbuff gm stats could be wrong

[@user-cy6xl3vd3f]

​@@StellaKwon-k2fI gave it 4/10 because some changes like Junkrat, Sojourn and Lifeweaver were undeniably good from a design point of view. Even most of the Juno changes (including quality of life etc) were good if only they didn't nerf her left click only to buff her right click, taking power away from what takes skill and shifting it to the auto aim ability. However the rest of the changes go from mediocre to complete garbage.

[@--Glory--]

Samito's video needs to be turned into a reaction meme

[@D_Jilla]

Wait why are people mentioning sam?

[@flowerboy9611]

​@@D_Jillabecause he's a clown

[@Van1_Ty]

​@@D_JillaBecause he's right

[@D_Jilla]

@@Van1_Ty damn lol

[@kayanono]

​@@D_JillaYeah idk where this comment section is full of this manchild

[@spookiboys]

new visuals on damage boosted targets too

[@testtarget1030]

So not a Mercy main by any means, but I used to play her a bit before the GA and super jump changes, the most fun playing her is playing a survival horror game where you are getting chased and have to juke/run and still keep your team alive. Even I have won team fights by avoiding death for 30 solid seconds while the other team dies. Her movement was really fun back then.

[@leviking3828]

for mercy i think it would be cool to give her season 2 movement back and then put a decay effect on the damage boost so that way u want use it for those burst of value and are punished for sticking with one person for too long and need to switch targets, I also think it would be cool to make rez faster or make it a skill shot or something along those lines but reduce the time mercy has to rez the soul before it dissapears this way if mercy wants a rez she has to predict the rez before the teamate dies to actually get it off

[@ratioed1438]

Yeah, so Dva's still busted. Who would've guessed buffing her burst damage was a bad idea.

[@MxChloeB42]

Her burst damage is roughly same as it was from 2018 to 2024 of both OW1 and OW2. 7 damage missiles (3 direct, 4 splash) *18 missiles in total + 30 melee + 15 (10 in OW1) booster damage = 171 171/200 health = 85.5% damage relative to total health 8.5 damage missiles (3 direct 5.5 splash) * 18 missiles in total + 40 melee + 25 booster damage = 218 218/250 health = 87.2% damage relative to total health. If you want to get hyper technical and they really wanted to make it comparable to previous burst damage then Booster Damage should be 21 I guess (214/250=85.6%) But even then you had 29 health left for the 2*11 damage primary fire to get through before S9 and 32 health left for 2*11 damage primary fire to get through since S11 She was just much weaker in S9 and S10, so they buffed her...by making her the same thing she used to be.

[@ellibean321]

​@@MxChloeB42In my opinion, it was okay for her to be like this in OW1 because there was a second tank to help temper her back and peel for your team. In OW2 this amount of burst damage for her just feels a little bit too oppressive.

[@blitzdactyl]

@@ellibean321 Perfectly agreed. She shouldn't be able to burst down a squishy ALL BY HERSELF. She does that pretty consistently all alone. With damage from her teammates and any boost applied she can melt anybody in SPLIT SECONDS. No character should be able to just see someone below 70% and go "Poof, they're gone now", back to protect the team for 3 secs before I go do that again. Rinse and repeat until the team dies in seconds.

[@drvongoosewing947]

Having played for a a bit I think you're the only content creator I've seen calling everything fairly and pretty accurately... Especially the Sombra changes. She's not fun to play against right now.

[@shnitzel9052]

I honestly think the new direction of making highly mobile heroes, ESPECIALLY SUPPORTS, having 225 instead of 250 will be immensely healthy. Though the highly mobile supports tend to be the healthier ones for the game (thinking lucio and likely juno), I think the distinction is great. Im worried about the return of 2shot on kiriko, but yeah B is fair.

[@carndela7032]

Pre change Juno ult was basically “Locking satellite vector” ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑) ۶ While a hyper-concentrated death ray blasts down from space

[@yeetadog]

yoinked the weaver change straight out of realth and xdidact's rework lmao

[@rlo2367]

Juno is so vulnerable against sombra attacks she just dies immediately by shutting her down and virus

[@gamist8166]

I very much dislike Zarya's change. Not cause she didnt need buffs, but because i wanna value her tracking more than her right clicks. Her right clicks already felt stronger than the left click. Theres just not a lot of mid-long range tracking options, and in overwatch i kinda expect them... I wish right click got more self boop for more mobility whilst left click was the stronger damaging tool. I think itd be super fun if her right clicks were like a 3rd of junkrat's mine on himself.

[@gamist8166]

And yes I know soldier exists but the 18 second HEAL doesn't feel good at all vs let's say, ashe with dynamite and coach gun. But let's think about the other tracking options on tank... Ramattra? No, he does 2 DMG after 10 minutes with that thing. DVa? Mauga? They're point blank, I could just play tracer or Sombra. I want ranged tracking to come back somehow... They refuse to let soldier be strong tho and everyone else doesn't count. And zarya is a right click spammer she tracks as an extra it feels like. Maybe soj?

[@tyfo1_GG]

imagine taking away/reducing the self damage from her alt fire and like you said give more distance from the jump. GIVE ME DIVE ZARYA!!!

[@user-cy6xl3vd3f]

I fully agree with your comment. If we're gonna give her more options in 5v5 it should be skillful mobility, not right click that now deal as much damage as a blade swing

[@IHJello]

Only Spilo can look at these patch notes and make sense of them. My mental needed this.

[@Miss_Dizzy]

I agree that the way the changes encourage her to hide isn't great more but reality is... she's just really fun when she's moving. I think a lot of Mercy enjoyers would be happy to see her kit be given more depth, and for her to be more skill intensive so long as she kept what makes her so fun: her mobility. Drop res, and give her an ability that gives us back the moth meta movement... totally not biased

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Forget drop res - drop blue beam instead. People don't like being boost bots, never have. Make her the triage moth Mercy players like being.

[@simonioos]

the best thing about this change is that it's a major change so the season even without juno actually feels different.

[@lorkieborkie2537]

here's a wild idea for Sobra change, although a pointless once since they reworked her just recently... There's this charcter in Dirty Bomb called Phantom, his shtick is that he can cloak himself with partial invisibility cloak. The partial invis lasts like 10 seconds, it gets more invisivble if moving slow or stationary, emits a humming sound, and most importantly gives him some overhealth. If he shoots the invis cancels and overhealth disappears. I think it would be interesting if sombra has some of those elements, especially the overhealth thingy since it could be used dynamically for closing in on enemies or disengaging. Partial invis or sound effects could be tinkered with too, although it could be an accessibility issue and is tough to balance. With that she would be more suited for direct combat and you could ditch the perma invis and translocator that's so annyoing

[@claspingmeteor993]

A cool change for sombra could be to put invis on something like a 12-second cooldown and make it last for 10 seconds and make it so when you get a kill the cooldown of invis gets reduced by 6 seconds. They could do that or rework hack if they do one or the other i think she'd be fine

[@Xestern]

Don't feel too strongly about this balance patch, seems mostly fine, gonna enjoy playing winton lol

[@D-Doc-C]

Mercy is gonna kinda screw over winton with the 60 hps, but the hp nerfs are gonna be nice yeah

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

Probably because you don't play it as a job.

[@Xestern]

@@enjoshi-godrez8775 did u reply to the wrong comment or what is this weird reply? I can guarantee you that I wouldn't feel strongly about this patch if playing this game was my job lmao. It's still the same game, nothing changed all that much

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@@Xestern no the patch is abominable.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@@Xestern some people like dog food, some people have the lowest of standards. You are a dog food eater, my friend.

[@strawbunnyfps]

Sojourn's rails have never been the problem, mercy damage boost is. 195 dmg rail headshots would be perfectly fine in current overwatch if dmg boost didn't exist. Having a basic ability that can change breakpoints with 100% uptime is so incredibly bad for the overall balance of overwatch it rly needs to be reworked into something else.

[@manh-haimuller6027]

I'm excited! 😎 More Hanzo and Genji gameplay due to more 225 HP heroes! What's important however is why are Tanks still too strong? Bc Tanks are so resistant I was convinced some overall DMG output decrease was incoming! Whar are your guys thoughts? Spilo?

[@aerostrafe1075]

Dont think its moved the needle much on genji at all and Hanzo is arguably worse because they changed him to only be "passable" in certain scenarios against certain people. Those people hes better against being heroes that are not the easiest to shoot in the first place. Now he just needs to land one headshot but they also dont need to land much on him to kill him now.

[@dr.chimpanz.1324]

​@@aerostrafe1075 ive played him recently and it feels NICE, i can finally sneak around a little. Having that many supports have one shot health is fantastic for this

[@zc8673]

As a Sombra main, I hate the virus buff for Sombra. It's strong, which should be fun but it's just boring.

[@daddyhanratty8989]

Overclock should make her rail charge to 150%

[@drachir7146]

It's really funny seeing the overall health buff because everything keeps blowing up instantly, and rather than a global damage nerf they went for a global health buff and now are slowly peeling that buff back

[@Disappointed_Philosoraptor]

The Sombra change simply isn't it. I don't even think we need to remove perma invis, but she must not be able to pefectly pick and choose every engagemwent she takes. The 20m detection range from a hacked mode was pretty decent of an idea to work with. They should consider going into that direction instead. I honestly do not care if virus becomes better so long as sombra cannot freely pick her fights anymore - like every other hero.

[@darthdawg1]

Samitos video was TOP TIER, like the good old days, no sugar coat

[@mayoroflazytown466]

Saying shit like “they aren’t human” “I genuinely hate you” and “They don’t deserve people to be civil” is not what I would call top tier. Sam was unhinged

[@leviistired3621]

​@@mayoroflazytown466You can only hold back for so long man, idk what to tell you

[@subwooferthugg]

@@mayoroflazytown466whenever samito crashes out its the funniest shit ever

[@baileyskates]

​@@mayoroflazytown466 one of those is just emotional and honest, one is an insult to their intelligence, and one is an expression of frustration that they cant perform their job duties adequately and because of that people need to more blunt and honest so that the thick-skulled devs will actually understand why what they are doing is wrong.

[@Punchbadguy]

@@baileyskatesI mean if people suck at their jobs and consistently fail at it then they need to either get help/improve or just be fired. It's like watching a full grown adult say 2+2=5 unironically and years later still say the same thing.

[@blissless127]

Full charge right click on zar does more than a dragon blade…

[@Real_MisterSir]

I'm sorry but how can we like the Kiri change?? She does way more base damage per kunai, and her peak crit damage is also higher than previously. Before she did 45dmg x 2.5 = 112.5 Now she does 60dmg x 2 = 120 Either way Kiri two-taps are back regardless, she does more raw damage overall from Kunai spam even if she hits body shots only, but also if its crit shots. Body+crit before was 157.5, now it's 180. Thats a MASSIVE buff and the recovery time does basically nothing except probably just help players not reload as often and gain a passive benefit to their accuracy, slightly. She also now kills squishies in 4 body shots flat, whereas before this change she'd need 6. MASSIVE break point changes overall.... actually just became an all out dps character now. You're actually rewarded more for spam now because it's much more consistently going to lead to elims cus even with body shots you deal so much damage now, and crits still deal more damage than before the patch. Your potential benefit from spam is much higher cus you only need to hit 4 generic shots on a target compared to 6 before so the investment is much smaller and consistent reward from spam will go through the roof. Kiri didn't need raw damage buffs and nothing else.... These changes need to be reverted or she needs to get equal nerfs to her mobility -like TP requiring LOS or Suzu not being a damage immo on top of cc immo.

[@itsalittleloud7799]

Sombra is wreaking havoc in metal lobbies now

[@krypticgames8604]

I personally think they should turn sombra into an assassin. Completely remove hack and make invis not permanent. Give her an assassin Ike playstyle that is super squishy 200hp but super lethal so she is easier to spot and kill but if you don’t see her she can kill you.

[@jonasdowner]

I think your reading of the changes presented here would be better if you remember that the overarching theme is a general increase in lethality for everyone. The Torb changes are a response to Tracer's indirect buff. Torbs are used to counter Tracers and Sombras. Making him tankier is a compensatory balance nerf to the cute lil flankers that are gonna be hunting 225 squishies. So this patch isn't really oriented around changing character identity, rather almost all of it is oriented around a brand new damage/health sandbox. On that note I wouldn't be surprised to see Tracer eat a nerf really soon. She stayed the same while a huge cross section of powerful heroes got brought into very easy one-clip range.

[@ErikBPG]

Samito is actually just embarrassing. 0 thinking when making his video, just rage. Surprising that he even uploaded it

[@sasuke15156]

What exactly is embarassing about it?

[@Vastspartan]

You mean his on point analysis?

[@epicgamersauce3516]

I think for LW, you should only he able to hold half of a charge while doing damage because it is pretty insane to be able to dps and instantly burst somebody with 80 health

[@DillonU2]

Fun fact - the thumbnail background art is from a Yu-Gi-Oh! card. Also, great content as always SPILO.👍🏻

[@ncascini01]

Thank you for nurfing junk in that specific way. I honestly really appreciate that change. The character isn't gutted, but it's a pretty big q.o.l. change to play against him now. The LW changes are a W and Hanzo feels great. I played yesterday and it was pretty fun!

[@AliceinEntropy]

I never liked or liked playing LW, but those changes changed my mood about him a bunch so far.

[@ellibean321]

I'm really enjoying Juno, I play her a lot like wifeleaver as I mostly sit back and heal, and can do a lot of work with a well-timed torpedo volley. I think she's one of the most balanced heroes on release, and I'm excited to play her more!

[@shoblin3663]

Can we add fire damage to dragon strike. It’s so easy to not take any damage so it would be nice if Hanzo was rewarded a bit and it be in theme since they’re dragons

[@ryanager8029]

So I think the Juno fire rate change means that it takes a bit longer for each burst to fire all the bullets.

[@dannyphan1088]

Zarya now does the same damage as Genji's dragonflies at max charge. Take that how you please.

[@MxChloeB42]

I mean Zarya's primary fire at max charge has done more damage than Genji's Dragonblade since 2016, though I do agree Genji's blade should be able to 2 tap 250 heroes again since the health changes.

[@D_Jilla]

I honestly felt like they were going to nerf Juno's primary. IMO it felt easy to do a lot of healing and damage without much effort. As Spilo said, Moira is the best example of why stats dont really matter, but remember Moira has life steal from her autolock, so she conflates her healing and damage, especially with the "skill" orb. Juno doesn't have those mechanics. And, she is the only hitscan healer that can heal from all ranges besides ana who has to scope in and make herself vulnerable to do so. Her speed and mobility allow her to access angles and highground to do more damage and healing. Her fire rate might feel sucky rn, but maybe we just need to get used to it?

[@tyfo1_GG]

i think juno is defo good. Maybe just a bit more fluidity with the gun and rockets, would be the cherry on top.

[@D_Jilla]

@tyfo1464 forsure. Being able to lock on missile and use your primary fire would be great honestly. She doesn't have burst healing that's as impactful as other heroes

[@Punchbadguy]

Imo they should have just nerfed the healing on her gun and not the fire rate. I also don't like the missiles buff.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

Her gun doesn't need any damn nerfs, she already have falloff range

[@redrook3331]

I would rather the inverse. A lot of Juno's numbers are inflated because of the torpedoes and she doesn't have the dueling potential against anybody. I currently think she's the worst 1v1 hero in the game and desperately needs help. I love playing the hero, but atm I'm just healbot-ing and running away the whole game.

[@adrianhernandez.j2956]

Comparing this to samito’s reaction 💀

[@matheus_brunelli]

Samito found out that he can only stay relevant when blindly hating every balance change in the game

[@adrianhernandez.j2956]

@@matheus_brunelli fr. I personally don’t like how season 12 has been managed so far but even then I cringed so hard at samito saying out of pocket stuff to the devs over a fucking videogame. Bro needs to go outside

[@bellsgg]

sombras not good enough to remove infinite stealth. even last patch she wasnt top tier. this doesnt make her top tier either. shes always gonna float around b tier (just as an example) and trust me you dont want her to have more damage on primary fire or else shes going to be too strong on correct engagements. every character has unfair things about them and shes not breaking games. She also has the dilema where you cant do too much with her or else it would be too drastic in either direction, like tracer. Reduce size of translocator hitbox, it collides too easily with architecture too often

[@NickF2357]

Orisa is my new main 🫶 I haven't played since OW1.. I don't know the secret recipe, I do more damage with Rein... But I feel more effective with Orisa

[@dondavi5798]

Torb they should buff turret dmg but drastically shorten tracking range, or, delay the turrets auto aiming speed allowing a character to dodge it and not be an aim bot.

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Eh, if they want Torb to be an anti flanker, just up turret damage and drastically reduce range to make it a priority for dive DPS to get rid of like pylon.

[@scsarch]

A lot of people are flaming the LW changes without valid points. Raising DVA bombs on a petal can still be done. Even before this patch you have to manually activate it by stepping on it, and even then the drop down is after two seconds. In most cases you want to raise the dva bomb at the last second so the enemy team have no time to react. So that argument doesn’t make sense. In the case of raising a winston Winston bubble with petal, the time it takes to raise the petal plus the two second fall down time is still a long period where you can get a lot of damage in on a winton, it’s not as much as a nerf as it’s been made out to be. Even then you can get back on the petal at keep the bubble raised. Overall it’s a net buff because it provides more operability and strategy for an elevator type system of attack and manoeuvring :)

[@zepchir]

still would be better if they allowed for objects to stay permenantly

[@caleb_dume]

I’m a Sombra main, but I hate these new kit changes. The burst potential is way too strong after this patch, especially considering some of the heroes ALSO got health nerfs. The health and speed changes im ok with, but the increased burst damaged is fundamentally flawed.

[@aerostrafe1075]

Overall the patchnotes tell me the balance team is uncertain of what to do.

[@BastionBuxBalthazar]

they stealth nerfed the hyper ring hitbox substantially, so the extra 3.5 meters is less impactful

[@AliceinEntropy]

I love playing sombra, I also don't think those buffs are healthy. Playing with or against sombra now, I think the virus impact needs to go down at least a bit.

[@Ex-Tar]

I’m not getting Kiriko’s change. They just made her damage input better, no? 45 damage body shot times 2,5 is 112 damage headshot, and 60 damage body shot times 2 is 120 damage headshot. The multiplier is gone, but… she’s more of a dps now than before. Isn’t it bad for the character?

[@dmbyaz41]

What if for mercy... your heals and damage boost go up to these thresholds only if she is in flight??

[@qveltz5258]

The funniest thing is why buff torb. ppl sleep on torb because he was the best projectile hero because he can tank through most things with his e and continue his dmg with or without turret

[@wonkascandyboy]

I hate that they think an invisible character is a good idea

[@ErikHansJorgensen]

I have not played this season because of the Sombra buff. I already hated playing against her. No risk to set up any fight against any hero at any time she wants. Its so unfun to play against. Even if she is "balanced" infinite stealth is no fun to play against.

[@glowswl3200]

Ashe Mercy was not letting me play the game today

[@dronnovik95]

160 damage virus on hacked targets and 225 health on some characters? Does her emp+virus enough to kill now?

[@YMan-zo5kg]

I would have liked to see more hp nerfs. Cassidy, Ashe, Illari, symmetra, venture, reaper, lifeweaver, sojourn, and all tanks could lose 50-100 hp. I’d even be down to see Junkrat, Baptiste, Ana, and zenyatta receive hp nerfs.

[@Kurppalumppu]

14:40 This Sombra buff (yes it's a buff despite the health change) is 99% of the reason I'm skipping out on this season. My two most beloved heroes to play, Sigma and Zen, both get completely and utterly annihilated by Sombra. Her increasing prevalence in matches has been driving me further away from the game ever since her rework. I have other heroes I can also play but I hate being forced out of my absolute favorite heroes just because Sombra exists in the game. She's overtaken Widow as the #1 worst hero to play against in the entire game by an extremely large margin. One of the worst feelings when I play OW is having to hold ult with Sigma until the heat death of the universe just because a Sombra exists on the enemy team. And if I hold ult until Sombra dies, the team fight might be over by that point. Looking out for cooldowns like punch, sleep, javelin, rock etc. is fun because I can actually dodge or anticipate them intuitively, and I don't feel frustrated if I get outplayed by those abilities. But an ulta fast cockroach Sombra is going to be able to get in position to hack me out of ult 99% of the time and that it is insanely infuriating. Sombra can also easily hack you out of grasp and Sigma's primary fire is really badly suited for "spy checking" her. And with this movement buff, spy checking is less advantageous because she'll be able to scurry away to a health pack and come back much quicker than before this patch. And then there's Zen, my absolute staple hero from OW1 days. IMO he doesn't get dumped on by Sombra as hard as Sigma but he just disintegrates to EMP, and you have to put in 10x the effort to win the 1v1 compared to Sombra spraying her SMG and tossing virus towards an enormous hitbox hero. I do not play at high enough ranks where people will consistently have the awareness to peel before I die to a Sombra no matter my positioning. This hero is of course not omnipotent and can be beaten. The most important thing is that any match she's in has all the fun sucked out of it. Sombra and Widowmaker are the two heroes that ruin matches and always make the match a chore to play at best, and hopelessly frustrating at worst. Even Mei is more tolerable to play against than Sombra, at least I can try and predict her ult and eat it with grasp. I've done it a few times and it feels insanely satisfying to pull off. I have so many other games to occupy my time with that the thought of even a slim chance of facing Sombra in OW makes me not want to fire up the game in the first place.

[@darkcat6530]

How does sigma struggle vs sombra bruh i never really struggle vs her

[@ken7007]

Not the chat 60 damage for Kiriko is too much i can nobody honestly play's Kiriko & saying it should be 55 while the hitscans get's away with murder every patch/mercy damage boost getting buffed is wild. I'm sure y'all have way more to worry about than a measly 60-120 damage

[@dth99times]

Sombra needs louder footsteps

[@dth99times]

That way even in stealth you can develop a rough idea of where she is

[@matheus_brunelli]

I don't think that it would make sense for the stealthy character to have louder footsteps than other characters

[@reganmcmahon3823]

​@matheus_brunelli you think she should just have perma invis and 60% speed boost😊

[@dth99times]

@@matheus_brunelli The character's don't have uniform footsteps. Have you ever heard Widow's footsteps? She's supposed to be an eloquent patient ballerina/sniper, and yet she stomps all over the damn place. I don't think Sombra's need to be as loud as Widow's, but given that she's basically sprinting and already has the stealthiness of being completely invisible forever, I don't think slightly louder footsteps for balancing would be the worst idea. As a stealthy character, being stealthy should be a large part of your play style and strategy. In her current design, stealth is less a part of her play style and more just something she is given for free. Like I'll play sneaky on Tracer who's okay at that kind of thing, but I have to be super careful the entire time. Spy in TF2, you've gotta be really good at using your invisible optimally, disguising quietly and at the right time and avoiding suspicion and spy checks constantly. With 60% invisible movement speed, it almost doesn't matter because they can't see you, can barely hear you, and you're fast enough that you'll soon be somewhere else entirely anyway

[@trav8787]

Did they not just increase all of the health pools a year ago to make playing the game feel better, now to just nerf health, rather than actually nerfing mobility. Could have just given echo and extra second on the cooldown..

[@ninja12mb]

buff torb so when he activates overload his turret gains 50 health and has slight increased fire rate

[@adie1664]

How is overwatch still digging their own grave.

[@johnperez1723]

I know I should dislike this patch more but I'm just happy hanzo can be played into the 225 hp characters, it's weird genji was excluded as a high mobility character to nerf.

[@D_Jilla]

True but genji is bad compared to the others

[@daniel-tv4hx]

Are you unironically saying nerf Genji???

[@johnperez1723]

Not necessarily, they could do what they did with supports and give him strength in other parts of his kit. That'd make him more fun to play rather than just being able to face tank more in my opinion. ​@@daniel-tv4hx

[@connor.chan.jazzman]

Genji already had every other part of him shafted so an HP nerf would be even worse

[@dth99times]

I think overwatch 2 would be a lot better if it found a good baseline. Find a character that is well balanced and balance the rest of the character roughly around their level. Then, have roatating season updates that buff two different comps. Carefully curate a meta where two different playstyle stand out as slightly more powerful. Next season, one or both go back to baseline and two new theoretically fun meta comps get micro buffed for the next season. When a new hero is released, make them a viable member of one of the hypothetical season meta. The only problem with this is I honestly don't think they can even approach a baseline without skipping a hero release

[@dth99times]

Or hell, I guess you need to establish a baseline character for each role. Imo, Rein or Monkey make a lot of sense for tank. DPS: I'm not sure. Support: Lucio or Ana.

[@thenastyfridge]

​@@dth99times IIRC, Tracer always had that role of being the baseline character that things were balanced around

[@user-nb1te2gs6h]

I think the patch is mid a best. The only tank nerf we got was dva, which was the bare minimum. Characters like hanzo will still feel shit to play and I think it was more of a nerf to him as he has bad matchups with 225 hp heroes, where he gained the headshot and worse up against anything else. I think nerfing him to 225, especially with his relatively wide hitbox, is just not very good as he is not very powerful and in most situations it's just better to pick widow. I mean at least they didn't nerf genji (yet)

[@footur3179]

I could be missing something, would it be a good change to increase Mercy's healing output and dmg boost while GA is on cooldown? Only thing I could see is you spam it behind a wall and permanently get the boost but there's an idea there maybe

[@--Glory--]

Mercy’s problem is she has to healbot right now. The first thing any Mercy main would tell a new player before season 9 is not to be a healbot, and to focus on damage boosting. With the larger health pools and DPS passive though Mercy is forced to healbot most of the game, and if Mercy is healbotting she’s basically worthless compared to any other support since she’s like bottom 3 raw healing wise. No matter how much they buff her numbers on healing or dmg boost the problem will remain that she just doesn’t have the heal output required to keep a team up in modern ow.

[@footur3179]

@@--Glory-- I said healing and dmg boost. It gives her a reason to actually GA around if she gains stats for it

[@RAntonio93]

DVA is just broken as hell. Hate it so much. Melts squishies in a second. Juno is horrible into DVA/Tracer. Or any semblance of dive. She is super fun in brawl comps. But she is very weak right now in comparison to the overbloated supports. She would have worked so well in 6v6, but she lacks what other support characters provide.

[@PrometheusXV]

My initial reaction to the Hanzo nerf was that it's awful for a hero already struggling, and the nerfs to HP on other heroes doesn't make up for it. My reaction to it after playing several games is still that it's way worse than it is helpful. It's better into very specific scenarios more than I was expecting, but overall I've just been dying way too easily. The fact that Hanzo got the nerf but Genji didn't is also absurd to me. Hanzo doesn't have the ability to survive engagements that other HP nerfed heroes have. He already really struggled into even a semi-coordinated dive. I'm not even back up to GM yet (or wherever this new rank distribution lands me) and I'm already noticing my deaths/10 increasing. I'm not sure how it will impact him in lower ranks, where comments I've received from other players seems to indicate that he's been possibly the best counter to Winston in the game prior to this - with storm arrow allegedly insta-breaking Winston bubble according to these player... but at least in masters so far he's been frustrating, but still playable. I suspect that's partially because a lot of players are trying out Juno and the Hanzo mirror, which I don't think will last when the meta stabilizes. We'll see how it pans out when I'm back up to rank and people figure out the new maps and balance changes, but my reaction is not positive.

[@Oliver.Pfahl.]

Hanzo is a sniper and the only other sniper in the game is at 200hp. He needs something that makes him less spammy and more nuanced, right now noone is happy!

[@MefoWho]

they preached about how 1shot is toxic yet reduced support's hp to hanzo's 1shot range. I guess we all know why 1shot is needed

[@exylophone1]

as someone who picked up hanzo again recently after a couple years he feels a lot worse after the 225hp, he was already such an easy target to dive, echo storm arrows are already better than headshotting, hanzo vs moira feels like the most benefitted matchup now but it almost doesnt feel fair to oneshot her but not an ashe for example idk maybe skill issue

[@memphisacosta2145]

Take away perma stealth and give sombra an execute. That shit would be fun as hell

[@shade7728]

I was literally just learning to play Echo then got hit with a HP nerf. It honestly feels like she has no HP to do what she was good- Trades. That feels nigh impossible due to how strong hitscan is and her big hitbox. I thought hutscan dominated last season but they'll definitely destroy now. Ashe, McCree, 76 as far as the eye can see. On top of that they buffed Sombra 😭. I wanted her HP to get nerfed but not all of that

[@--Glory--]

Echo is technically good but feels awful because hitscan is so insane that she’s just not worth it. I don’t understand why the characters that can sit in the back of the map and deal consistent damage from a safe distance don’t deserve health nerfs, yet the characters that have to fight at mid to close range to secure kills do.

[@shade7728]

That's why I'm saying and I'm a hitscan player! I never really realized the issue until I started expanding my roaster. (Pharah, Echo, Mei). Only then did I start to see how broken the hitscan characters are.

[@shade7728]

They also didn't even nerf the tanks that hard either. Doom is still invincible and Dva/Rein is just doing dumb shit with barely any consequences.

[@orbtalkz]

To the comments hating on Samito. I agree he’s babyraging. But that doesn’t invalidate his arguments. He sees the bigger picture, not just the current patch. While it might look good in the short term, it is very much a step backward when you look at the bigger picture.

[@narcodixyadigg781]

How is he looking at the bigger picture when he doesn't have full context. He has no access to the data the higher ups see and bases his own OPINIONS on a part of rank that 99% of players won't see.

[@Xestern]

Sure, now he just needs to communicate it like a normal human and people might actually address it. I can't be bothered to hear a grown ass man (literally my age) cry about the balance of a video game

[@orbtalkz]

He doesn’t need full context in terms of data, he’s been playing this game since it came out. And being good at the game doesn’t mean he can’t see what players struggle with. He’s very aware of what most others find fun, and not fun about overwatch. And Samito is a very passionate person when it comes to this game, more passionate than any player I could name. His rage doesn’t come from a place of hate towards the devs, it comes from his love towards the game, and he doesn’t like seeing it get mistreated by the balance team. He wants the game to be better, and he’s fully justified in being emotionally invested in something he loves doing.

[@thiefpotato2759]

​@@narcodixyadigg781He does have a bigger picture though. The devs admitted that Overbuff is reliable. Also, these bad changes effect everyone, not just top 500. You think 35 virus damage Sombra isn't gonna be everywhere?

[@narcodixyadigg781]

@orbtalkz No. He is not able to say what is fun for all and does need data. I've played this game since it came out as well, but I don't armchair dev or flame the devs over a change I don't like. Why? Because it's irrational and passing it off as passion or a love for the game does not make it acceptable. You can't tell what other people find fun. There is no metric for that full stop. High levels also have hated every meta after a while because it's stagnant. They shout that they want high skill heros in the meta. Now we have Winston, Bap, Kiri, Lucio, Illari, Echo, and Tracer topping the charts, but that still isn't acceptable. A change applauded by the community at large was the removal of one shot from Hanzo and Junkrat, but he's upset at that saying they lost their identities. Like, what are we talking about here? So now he doesn't know best, and no, he's doesn't speak for the community. He's an immature baby who complains when he doesn't get his way turned hypocrite because he flames on stream and then pretends like he's reformed.

[@ninja12mb]

buff rein so when his shield gets lower his movement speed increases

[@br3d9]

hey spilo, its hard to read your chat when it looks all grainy like that. I like reading chat man.

[@jorrellrichardson3181]

What is that water sound

[@dark9ightff775]

Spilo my bro they nerfed some of these dps health pools while these tanks are gods like this is a terrible patch what do u mean illari and bap can literally out dps and out duel every dps in the game lol especially hanzo and echo like this is one of the worse patches overwatch has ever had not exactly because the changes are so bad but that they are doubling down on the problems the game is already having

[@daddyhanratty8989]

Why not give torb different kinds of turrets, sniper turret, rocket turret, freeze turret, flame turret, idk

[@thatmemeguy2520]

True u can bring up a wheel to whatever your turret button is and choose 1 would be awesome

[@iceghost97]

That would be interesting 👀

[@Lux-ph2ol]

Ow2 is going to be swaped for Marvel Rivals for sure 🙃

[@inlandthempire.6932]

Then go play shartvels you literally don't need to be here complaining

[@ohm_ow1726]

Welcome back to laserwatch.... these compensatory tank buffs are just here to make it seem like their min maxing the tank role. meanwhile playing rein junker winston doomfist ball into sombras, mercy-pocketed hitscans etc. is going to be total cancer for sure.

[@tgs5725]

Ive been playing Season 12 and holy moly its bad. No close games at all. I either steamroll the enemies or they deatroy us. Also this new game mode is ass. I just want 2CP back tbh. I miss those maps.

[@rektanglex]

Think that’s more because of rank reset than the patch.. give it a day or two

[@musa9371]

remove fortify from the game. bring back shield

[@juicymuscprod9624]

Fuck no, especially since they bringing back 6v6 and a possible 7v7

[@whoamI-tk3qz]

​@@juicymuscprod9624 when did they say they're bringing it back it was just a devlog

[@IHJello]

​@whoamI-tk3qz Aaron told SVB and Flats they're into bringing it back but it would be a slow release rolling out through modes like arcade before going further, and its not guaranteed that it would stay either.

[@BookwormSkates]

Clash video when