The awful treatment of Kirby, both by DC and Marvel, is a shameful black stain on the history of the comics industry. The man was an absolute visionary and pushed the medium ahead decades.
@dianathompson75974 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm not a fan of the pyramid business pushing all profits to the top,,, some have done all joint ownership and are successful against the pyramid competition. Stan also managed the artists down.
@fcdraw4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how Jack Kirby would have done at image comics or self publishing through the internet, we can only dream.
@geraldstephens66124 жыл бұрын
@@fcdraw Mr Kirby had done some series at Pacific Comics in the 1980s. Could someone find out more those characters ?
@fcdraw4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldstephens6612 thanks, I'll check it out.
@_FoxHoleCharlie_4 жыл бұрын
With Marvel movies being so popular, it kills me most of the audience would know Lee but have no clue who the King is.
@beefgravystudios4 жыл бұрын
When you get irritated with your boss so you create the gospel for the rival company. Kirby is brilliant.
@andreasesser46412 жыл бұрын
And then that rival company treats you even worse, and cancels half your books before they reach 10 issues.
@sladewilson3772 жыл бұрын
Kirby was in contact with Carmine Infantino 2 years before he actually did it and he was making plans to move to D.C. to get creative freedom.
I think that "Superman: The Animated Series" was a sort of spiritual successor to King Kirby's work at DC. The way that the creators on that show wove the fourth world into Superman's story and world was just about perfect.
@uncannydcmarvelous57323 жыл бұрын
Even Dan Turpin was drawn to resemble Kirby.
@therussiancomicbookgeek4 жыл бұрын
Personally I love the Jack Kirby dialog it reads like sci-fi Shakespeare! It fits the art so well.
@kforcer4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree.
@capmar-vell92returns204 жыл бұрын
Even Thor used to talk like Shakespeare.
Ай бұрын
"Metron! You icy mask!"
@gagecrawley62234 жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved how Jack Kirby drew technology. Such as weapons and other devices. They look so bizarre, miraculous and complex, which is what I like about them. These are machines that don’t look like they were invented by man. But by some inter dimensional God or and advanced alien race. Kirby’s complex and maze-like structures on these machines are just so awesome looking to me.
@THEGREATMAX3 жыл бұрын
You can thank a book called Chariots of the Gods for this kind of idea being so huge back then. Truly the modern renaissance
@basketballfan237 ай бұрын
The tech looks like it actually works too!
@CosmoShidan5 ай бұрын
I remember reading an article where it was said that Jack Kirby loved reading Scientific American, and drew inspiration from photos of ships, power plants, computers, and other technological architecture, that he used them as models for his elaborate backgrounds of superhero and supervillain headquarters and sci-fi epics.
@Painocus4 жыл бұрын
I quite like Kirby's bombastic writing, and I think his choice of evocative words and phrases is more delibarate than accidental. In this period in particular it often reads an ancient mythological text, but with a modern or even faux-futuristic vocabulary. Lines like those of the prologue to New Gods #1 will probably be burnt into the back of my mind for the rest of my life. If nothing else I'd take Kirby at his worst over Stan's writing any day of the week.
@campernocamping14 жыл бұрын
It just blows my mind, how little Kirby got in exchange for how much he gave to DC and Marvel. I mean the sheer lack of faith, they had in him to carry a series is astounding.
@3weight10 ай бұрын
One of my favorite things among lots of great things about Thor: Ragnarock is the homage paid to Kirby in the use of his classic architecture and background patterns, complete with glaring comic book colors, set into live action scenes. That was Waititi showing respect for the master, as Kevin Feige called it, a love letter to Jack Kirby.
@DoReMi123acb4 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in Nigeria in the 90s there was no access to comic books so I made due by watching the 90s Fantastic Four cartoon and seeing Black Panther, then watching Superman animated and Justice league animated/unlimited. It really introduced me to Jack Kirby and his phenomenal creations. He is definitely the king of western comics and that will never change.
@KamenSentaiMetalHero4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the Fourth World is definitely Jack Kirby's magnum opus.
@scottfree96014 жыл бұрын
I agree. Too bad he couldn't end it how he wanted to.
@_FoxHoleCharlie_4 жыл бұрын
I love the Fourth World.
@TheSpeedway992 жыл бұрын
It will always be a tragedy that Jack Kirby never got to complete his vision for the Fourth World in its initial comic run.
@ianfinrir8724 Жыл бұрын
I think it would've been a greater success because there's so many more options today that Kirby could've taken advantage of.
@David-Field.Stuff014 жыл бұрын
Kirbys work is magnificent. The way he depicts alien architecture, machinery and outer space is 2nd to none. If only he had done some production design for Star Wars.
@andrewpytko47733 жыл бұрын
True. But , he was a pretty poor writer. I think he did need a partner, like Lee or Simons to give him direction.
@CosmoShidan5 ай бұрын
Kirby was a HUGE fan of pulp sci-fi and Scientific American! He drew inspiration from the art of the pulps and architecture of Scientific American to produce those wonders of complex backgrounds and machinery.
@orboakin8074 Жыл бұрын
I was first introduced to Jack Kirby's Fourth world, as a kid in Nigeria in the 2000s, via Bruce Timm's animated Superman and Justice League cartoons and I absolutely loved the lore, the depth and amazing characters and world building. The Judeo-Christian undertones were something I came to understand and appreciate as I got older. Jack Kirby is the greatest comic creator of all time🤩👍
@jamesclukey74884 жыл бұрын
Kirby was Awesome, and underappreciated. His incredible output and fantastic concepts overwhelmed the marketplace at the time. I collected his work, wherever it appeared, but the companies he worked for constantly messed with him in an effort, I think, to control him. It's sad that he never got the opportunity to do the books his own way. I bought Hunger Dogs in a book store, not a comics shop. It was distributed as a Deluxe trade paperback, and not a comic book. I seem to recall that the SCOTT FREE character was inspired by Jim Steranko, who was also an escape artist, as well as a publisher and comic book artist himself. The KAMANDI and DEMON books are some of my most treasured collector items. The KIRBY COLLECTOR is a magazine currently published by TWOMORROWS and features content that reviews Kirby's work. Many rough and uninked pages are reproduced to break down the creative process that Kirby used. Thanks for your review !
@Zartak3434 жыл бұрын
Welcome back my favorite man god. For a second, I’ve fought you left.
@natashasummerford79443 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I like the hunger dogs, it fun, entertaining, and I think it has a meaningful ending for the new gods finding a new home, while darkseid is left alone on his broken planet.
@am2345237 ай бұрын
This channel is criminally underrated
@joshuagaray43304 жыл бұрын
I wonder how different marvel would be with Thor's cast of characters gone and Darkseid running around the marvel universe (There's a multiverse out there were Iron Man snaps his finger and Darkseid simply says NOO!!! )
@krisscanlon40513 жыл бұрын
I believe this was the better story and Exactly where the 4th world needed to be.You can always bring characters back However The mighty T hor and azgard is hard to brush away.
@domgeek56323 жыл бұрын
But still. Imagine that to this day Darkseid exists in Marvel. How different would the comic industry be? If someone makes what if videos about comics. Here's a prompt: What If Jack Kirby made the Fourth World at Marvel Comics?
@ianfinrir8724 Жыл бұрын
My understanding for why Jack Kirby ended up working on Jimmy Olsen is because when he got to DC he knew he was a big deal but he didn't want to take a job away from somebody so he just told them to put him on whatever books that nobody else was working on.
@dfcsons4 жыл бұрын
SO GLAD to see you back, I hope it's a continued sign of things to come. I love everything about Kirby's work at DC, even the so-called throwaways like Justice Inc and Black Magic. Kamandi, OMAC, The Demon, all classics. The Fourth World of course is his Abbey Road. I treasure all of them. Keep em coming, man..! (That being said, again I noticed the absence of your amazing 'until next time' at the end...)
@sgtjarhead994 жыл бұрын
I purchased the massive Fourth World Omnibus last year which collected all the issues from Jimmy Olsen to Mister Miracle in chronological order. Once of the best buys I've ever made. Highly recommended if you can't afford to collect all the original issues.
@philipebbrell27934 жыл бұрын
Kirby really is The King. His presence on culture today across the world is beyond doubt.
@randalldowling10684 жыл бұрын
"God Juice" is my favorite line of any of YT video ever. Any thoughts on the Eternals? How about Kamandi? Or the Kirby Genesis title by Busiek and Ross in the 2010s?
@pulsarstargrave2564 жыл бұрын
I loved THE ETERNALS aka Fourth World Lite. I thought it was more cohesive because the story was confined to a single title! But BOTH are cool epics!
@Marvelfanatic36584 жыл бұрын
Really? That's ur favorite line?
@funkyweapon19814 жыл бұрын
@@Marvelfanatic3658 Ew.
@christopherwilson37544 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head. Kirby was an amazing idea man and VISUAL storyteller. His writing, especially his dialogue, is virtually unreadable. He and Stan Lee are like Lennon and McCartney. They needed each other to truly shine.
@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit5034 жыл бұрын
Christopher Wilson Despite Kirby's shortcomings and Stan Lee's undeniable contributions to comics, 2 declare lee and Kirby as equal talents on a Lennon and McCarthy level is lazy and inaccurate . Lee was never a truly talented writer on any level, he was serviceable for comics of the time and a brilliant marketer, nobody of discerning taste looks to lee for writing tips. Kirby is a peerless talent that even young artist of today are gaining inspiration from, he is arguably the only true capital A artist the medium has ever produced. The proof is, we're still talking about his"flawed" fourth world and his so-called lesser works, it's the great unfinished symphony of comics! That's the the mark of a true artistic talent. No one talks about Lee beyond his initial silver age splash with Kirby and Ditko, because he wasn't good at anything but being a mascot.
@christopherwilson37544 жыл бұрын
@@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503 Point.🖖
@dddPetey4 жыл бұрын
@@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503 I would disagree with you in saying that Lee was never a truly talented writer. that's rather absurd to say does show maybe, how little you know of how much he wrote/created. lee was prolific constantly writing, morning, afternoon, evening not for a few comics but for at least 10-15 separate comics all at the same time. just like Kirby was drawing for 8 or so comics. to down play his talent is unfair, inaccurate and shows how very uninformed you are. Lee took himself away from writing in '72 like any true artist would, when it's time to step down because you did all you could. so "no one talks about him beyond his silver age"? you know how ridiculous that sounds? 1972 wasn't that far off from the 60's when he stopped writing. You need to be more informed. it would be no different If I were to overly criticize and over shadow Kirby's brilliance by'defining his art work as inconsistent and often sloppy with stark gazing faces and fingers and toes that look like sausages, and thick thick heavy inking.... hahaha. I don't know any writer who actually enjoyed writing as much as lee did. often in today's comics, which I detest collecting has barely any writing at all worth reading because there's barely any words in todays comics. yes, visually it's self explanatory. but that is the whole point of writing is to describe in words what is going on as apposed to assuming.
@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit5034 жыл бұрын
Pedro You're proving my point multiple times! You don't have 2 like Kirby's work, but he KEPT DOING IT, he was passionate and committed, unlike lee who stopped because he wasn't that good and was best used for marketing, and actually didn't like comics much and just wanted to be famous! You're uninformed and fooled by those stupid movie cameos, if you were really informed you'd know that it was actually Lee's assistant ROY THOMAS that was the real writer at marvel and modernized comic book world building, that's why lee stepped down he knew there was real writing talent. Stan Lee is visionary marketer, which is his talent, he was never a writer at heart or else he would've kept doing it. I also noticed you didn't mention anything specific about Stan Lee's writing talent, cult of personality dude.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
@@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503 Lee was an ideas man - Ditko said as much in a rebuff to Stans comments about how the new Dr Strange character would do ("Stan thinks he's the only one with ideas"), as have others who worked with him at the time (Dick Ayers said Stan was the most creative person he worked with at the NYCC 2009). I think it's naïve to think Stan had little to do with what went to print. It wasn't unusual for Stan to give the artists a basic script to follow in the pre hero books (source; Joe Sinnott) and that was how the Marvel age started, with Stan eventually giving the artists more plotting freedom. Stan would often get them to make changes to the finished pencils (notes in margins, like with AF 15 for example), but later as things got more busy he gave the artists more freedom, and they might put their notes in the margins for Stan. Most people who worked there back in the day will tell you just how much input Stan had. It's only in later years that some think he had little to do with it and was just marketing.
@chrisw61644 жыл бұрын
New Gods series from 1989 is worth reading.
@bsabruzzo4 жыл бұрын
Kirby's strength seems to be hie was an "idea machine", as you say. In other words, if DC had let Kirby become an editor rather than forcing him to write and draw the Forth World, it could have been a long ongoing series with great ideas handed to better writers.
@dianathompson75974 жыл бұрын
I'm sure a editor employee had other ideas on that to keep a job
@geraldstephens66124 жыл бұрын
Check out a magazine called The Jack Kirby Reader ; the interviews with Mr Kirby himself & others who worked with him are printed there.
@geraldstephens66124 жыл бұрын
In an interview, Mr Kirby said he would do the first few issues of New Gods, Mister Miracle, & Forever People to set up the series; Orion was to have his own title. He had certain writers & artists to take over the books. Would have been a great imprint had DC allowed him to do this.
@geraldstephens66124 жыл бұрын
@@dianathompson7597 Yes someone in DC management did.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
Roy Thomas said much the same, and that Jack needed reigning in, which is where Stan came in. Neal Adams said that there was something missing from Jacks DC stuff, and said maybe it was Stan.
@DCMarvelMultiverse4 жыл бұрын
Certain cultures have several periods called/translated as "worlds." Native cultures in particular have that. It's a reference to such religions.
@ctbinary424 жыл бұрын
My favorite Kirby work. Thanks for this
@rastarells47694 жыл бұрын
Jack the King Kirby was amazing from the legendary characters he created to the worlds they fight in all of it is amazing. Look at all the work he did at Marvel and basically created it. Dude damn near every cover for Marvel books back then. Tales of suspense , thor , hulk , X-Men , fantastic 4 all that work. Then his work at DC kamandi , new gods , forever people , demon , darkseid , mister miracle etc. Its amazing how much work he put into them pages.
@Slackmana Жыл бұрын
$1 back then was equivalent to more than $30 now. Buying 5 comics would be a ground-able offense. You could use that dollar to go to the movies, buy lunch, and still have enough left over for a comic book.
@leebonney12644 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed dude. You got my sub off this first video of yours. You are doing an awesome job, keep it up.
@Cervando4 жыл бұрын
Welcome back. Every video you release teaches me more about the comics I love. You deserve far more recognition.
@MysteryProductsLtd9 ай бұрын
Brilliantly put together. I remember buying Kirby and Gerber's Destroyer Duck, around 1979/80/81? That comic discussed the shoddy treatment of both creators by Marvel. It never ceases to infuriate me.
@LOLheyman Жыл бұрын
Its amazing how a very creative artist like kirby got messed with by editorial at marvel and DC
@23RedTechno4 жыл бұрын
I learn something new everyday about Jack Kirby =)
@steve_bal4 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video, both in editing, analysis, and historic information. Unlike most of the comments I'm reading here, I appreciate that you weren't afraid to zero in and nail some of his weaknesses as an artistic entertainer. As for the late period "economy of line" style he ended his career with, I'd argue that afflicts almost EVERY artist in the final stages of their output; we can clearly see that with John Byrne, Frank Miller, and Mike Mignola today.
@timothydavis315410 ай бұрын
ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! BRAVO! Well done.
@superdragonz14 жыл бұрын
You always have me waiting for new vids, love your content 👍
@Tymbus4 жыл бұрын
My first encounter with Kirby's Fourth World was the final issue of Mr Miracle! I found it fascinating- so many weird characters, but it was Kamandi I really loved!
@marcustmachado4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back with a new video!
@ottosixtysix85464 жыл бұрын
So glad to see you back and with a wall to wall Kirby fest. Being a comics fan in the 50s and 60s and 70s and gaps in collecting until today, I had the opportunity to see so much of what you discuss. I may have a quibble here and there but rarely disagree with what your laying down. The idea for this posting, where you gather an astronomical amount of information, boggles the mind. Thank you and why no standard send-off, "...until next time". It makes a fan rather twitchy.
@rustybuckets2143 Жыл бұрын
This story is so interesting and this video is so well put together that I've watched it at least 5 times in the past few weeks
@StrangeBrainParts Жыл бұрын
Aw. Thank you very much. I'm glad it did the trick for you.
@Gojitron14 жыл бұрын
I love Kirby's work. I often wonder if he would have become as much of a household name as Stan did if he had lived to see Marvel take over Hollywood. Fantastic video and analysis.
@ranthegemini81974 жыл бұрын
He is a household name to real fans
@itszackempire4 жыл бұрын
I just want to echo what people are already saying, but, I'm so glad to see another video by you! I also thought you had left! So glad your sticking around! This was another great video. It's crazy to think of what a legacy these books have. In a lot of ways, they have shaped much of what came after them. However, like you, I do feel like the work itself is lacking. I love Kirby, and I think his work at DC is some Amazing stuff (though I prefer the non Fourth World titles) but I think you really nailed it when you said these books can be difficult to read. The biggest thing I think about with these books is I wish DC had found an editor to work with Kirby, that was truly working WITH Kirby towards his vision and not there own. Wherever you fall on the Stan/Jack debate, to me, it's clear that Jack needed someone to help him present his ideas in a clear and coherent way.
@jamesedwardclard4 жыл бұрын
great video, epic overview of Kirby's Forth World!
@pulsarstargrave256 Жыл бұрын
At 6:01, look at the structure on the righthand side, the imagination it took to design that alone is mind staggering!
@volodymyrbilyk555 Жыл бұрын
And many years later Walt Simonson delivered on Orion v Darkseid showdown in his awesome series. Probably the best visual representation of a superhero fight this side of Marvelman.
@famachris4 жыл бұрын
That was a pretty even handed analysis. The less polite way of describing Kirby's working method was he was making it up as he went along, a technique that also found it's way into his penciling. No more layouts - just straight to paper - often starting with the head - which is why you start to see deformations in proportions in the 1970s. I always find it contradictory how people claim Kirby was disgusted by Marvel, but after his stint at DC - he went and did the exact same thing over again that was supposedly his impetus to leave. In fact, I would argue that the character designs of Eternals were far more creative than what he delivered to DC, certainly on New Gods anyway. Compare Orion's outfit (a Manhunter rehash) to Ikaris. Kirby's actions just don't jibe with the rhetoric.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
I think his Eternals was just a second go at his New Gods stuff, but it was a better attempt. Certainly more readable. I can't remember who it was - may have been one of the later inkers at DC, but Kirby told him a story he had in mind, but it was completely different by the time it was on paper and nothing like the story Kirby had told, which jives with your analysis.
@edward29624 жыл бұрын
Great video! I did not know all that stuff about the editorial changes on Hunger Dogs. I'm a little surprised that you didn't make a bigger deal of the fact that Big Barda was loosely inspired by Jack's wife Roz, and Mr Miracle was an escape artist cuz Jack met Jim Steranko who briefly held that job.
@MadisonCarter3 жыл бұрын
Great piece. That said, you did omit the "best" part of the whole thing - right after Hunger Dogs, DC had Kirby do the second Super Powers mini, which starts shortly after the events of HD and directly references it. So basically, all of Kirby's Fourth World efforts ended up being the prologue for an out-of-continuity-with-everything-else toy commercial.
@JoshuaOfGrandRapids4 жыл бұрын
Very happy to see you back. Happy to see old looks at Kirby expanded upon.
@kez0o94 жыл бұрын
I was the biggest jack kirby fan ever in the 70s in the uk .got all his marvel stuff i could .I had a few copies of new gods recognised the cover ,there was another dc one omac one man army great stuff for a 8yr olds mind kirby and later brian bolland were for me the best comic artists of all time as a 8 to 16 yr old kid growing up in the 70s and 80s uk
@erictorres39424 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the longer format of the last couple of videos. Keep up the good work.
@sunriseraymusic3 жыл бұрын
great video! love this history.
@IRGhost03 жыл бұрын
i'm always in awe when i think about the magnitude of jack kirby's contributions to comics. He essential IS comics.
@tommonk76514 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved the Fourth World stuff. Mister Miracle was an all time favorite of mine, and I enjoyed the New Gods, as well. I wish Kirby had been allowed to take his concept to its fruition. But I have to say, I recently re-read the early Mister Miracle series. The dialogue is awful.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
I found the same with all Kirby written stuff. I only bought it for his art in the end. I think his ideas were great, but his writing wasn't so good and was why none of the DC books sold so were cancelled. Luckily Stan took him back. His writing there on Cap for example was also disappointing. Even Neal Adams felt there was something missing from his DC work, and said maybe it was Stan. I think Kirby and Stan needed each other for best results.
@rickytoddbotelho95554 жыл бұрын
Excellent choice for a video. After I've bought a full run of the series I've been waiting to catch up on in its entirety.
@paulnash98514 жыл бұрын
Welcome back. Made my day seeing this in my feed. Excellent + exceptional as always.
@Koopaklown4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work as always!
@famuel26044 жыл бұрын
Okay but Kirby’s dialogue is good and awesome actually...
@you24494 жыл бұрын
Wow. the 4th World. What a Beautiful Mess.
@Red-Wolf-Ben6 ай бұрын
LOL I like the specific example you used when describing Kirby's dialog: "SHOUTING? SHOUTING!? OF COURSE I'M SHOUTING!!!" Seriously though, I love Jack Kirby's work, especially the Fourth World Saga. It's definitely affected almost everything that's come out since. If you read enough DC comics in the modern day, these characters, settings and devices WILL pop up eventually, it's probably nearly impossible now to find a major event where they aren't involved somehow. Nice to see where it all began! And remember... Darkseid is.
@daltonerd4 жыл бұрын
Congrats! Excelent work!
@mtperlow12074 жыл бұрын
I’m getting back into comics again and your videos are always enjoyable and informative.
@Sir16264 жыл бұрын
this video is awesome, thanks for doing this!
@muttjones2224 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always!
@anthonymcgrath93018 ай бұрын
Reckon someone will oneday get these characters on the big screen…it will be wonderful to see how CGI brings Jacks world to life!
@TheModelVault4 жыл бұрын
Found your channel today and really enjoy listening to it while doing my own work... you should do a video on John Romita Sr spidey stuff.. maybe go through the whole life tablet saga ... current spidey title story arc actually just brought back the life tablet. i believe the tablet has been used on other spidey stories as well i missed years ago. my 2 favorite things about spidey is Romita Sr and original tablet story and nobody really talks about it, i think its romita and stan at there best!
@hsatin204 жыл бұрын
great to see some Kirby love
@demonknight39864 жыл бұрын
Such a great video and commentary. You earned yourself a new sub! Cheers! :D
@cliffwoodbury53193 жыл бұрын
I understand a smart buisness has to cut titles that don't sell but a title that doesn't sell doesn't mean its a bad titles. I wish he'd could have kept going with those snubbed titles because he could have created something so amazing.
@carlospointofview4 жыл бұрын
Love the video. Excellent work
@xposhboyx Жыл бұрын
I actually love the insane and "obnoxious" shouted dialogue. It's so over the top. I can see why people at the time didn't appreciate it but reading it now, it's just amazing. Now his artwork on The Fourth World is indisputably fantastic. I don't like where this "calcified" comment is coming from. It's obviously some of the greatest comics artwork ever put on paper.
@Buckeystown4 жыл бұрын
I quit buying comics around the end of Kirby's 4th world. Looks like about the right time.
@MrScroogedmcduck Жыл бұрын
Love his writing ! Operatic bombastic fantastic. If u are not in the mood read something eles....steve engheart..denny o'neal. Will esnier ....
@AdahnFlorence8 ай бұрын
I feel like this video really helps me to understand why I can't really get into Jack Kirby's Eternals. Alot of how you describe Kirby's style when it comes to writing strikes accord with my experience reading through it. Maybe I should've started with Fantastic Four instead.
@Sunbeard.92 жыл бұрын
Jack Kirby genius! Nuff said! 👍
@stephenjohnson9745 Жыл бұрын
I think the 4th world is my favorite Kirby work, despite it highlighting his flaws. It is more engaging/entertaining than The Eternals while having a distinct voice from his Stan collabs
@fenrir-art47424 жыл бұрын
Kirby did more of the work. He had greater potential than some "partner" who sold out to Disney after appearing in Princess Diaries 2. Darkseid is my favorite of Kirby's villains.
@ranthegemini81974 жыл бұрын
He they wouldn’t be where they are now if it wasn’t for Kirby
@ems67064 жыл бұрын
Kirby is definitely still one of my favorites in terms of both plotting and art but I think the 4th world stuff is Kirby at his most indulgent and I kinda feel like it thusly has all the Kirbyisms both good and bad ramped up to a hundred. I liked it, but I think it's an acquired taste while the 60s Marvel stuff is pretty universal and I'd say is better to start with. But i also ADORE his Thor run,like it's somehow underrated cause I never hear anybody talking about it as a stand out run. Like the Fourth World most certainly owes a lot to that run, and I really feel like it is the place to see the way Kirby really transition into his desire for this huge final set of stories that was completely defined by his epic ambitions.
@Seanfrtd4 жыл бұрын
hashtag release the kirby cut?
@pulsarstargrave2564 жыл бұрын
Here's what I thought FOURTH WORLD referred to: 1. JIMMY OLSEN, 2. THE FOREVER PEOPLE 3. THE NEW GODS 4. MISTER MIRACLE.... A STORY TOLD IN FOUR BOOKS! TA DAAH....DONE! Not coincidentally, that's the order in which I read them once the TradePBKs came out! How are they arranged in the OMNIBUS editions? BTW I ENJOY Kirby's writing! As you said, it is BOMBASTIC but where you find it "obnoxious" I find it OPERATIC and even once performed snippets of it in a poem, which the audience LIKED! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so let's agree to disagree!
@thumbsaloft4 жыл бұрын
I TOTALLY DON'T AGREE ABOUT KIRBY'S DIALOGUE! Who would know how those characters would talk better than the one who created them? I love the dialogue in all the Fourth World books! In fact the FOURTH WORLD are my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE CHARACTERS! You're wrong about Kirby putting more into Mister Miracle! Kirby himself said NEW GODS #7 was his ABSOLUTE FAVORITE COMIC he ever did! Also Kirby's art is ABSOLUTELY MASTERFUL, especially his art during the 70s, that's when he really hit his stride! Especially when he got MIKE ROYER to ink! They produced some of the ABSOLUTE BEST COMIC ART EVER! There's nothing easy to dismiss about Kirby's art! His art only began to fall off as he got older and started LOSING HIS EYESIGHT!I I became a cartoonist BECAUSE OF JACK KIRBY, NO ONE and I do mean NO ONE'S ART affects me like Kirby's does! His two page spreads are to this very day, some of the ABSOLUTE BEST you'll ever see! Wonder how he'd feel about MARVEL TOTALLY DISRESPECTING HIS LEGACY with all the INSANE PC CHANGES they are doing with his characters in their ETERNALS movie! If he knew about the GENDER CHANGES, MAKING CHARACTERS GAY AND KISSING! I bet his BLOOD WOULD BOIL! MARVEL has taken the characters so far away from his worldview! MARVEL SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
@mariod15474 жыл бұрын
Please who's the character tied on the asteroid 22:35 ? I remember him from Superman the animated series or something when I was a kid.
@RahulSharma-wq4qy2 ай бұрын
King Kirby he was called.
@darthchingaso36134 жыл бұрын
great video!
@PaceFilmsProductions3 жыл бұрын
I think this (and Stan Lee’s later work) all show that it was that collaboration between the two that really brought out the best work overall.
@BIacklce3 жыл бұрын
idea guys need someone with a business mindset in order to focus concepts into sellable quality ideas, and business guys need ideas people to create products that arent just bland trend chasing cash grabs
@evilnewwargod2 жыл бұрын
what later work? the guy had nothing and was never going to be anything without Kirby and Ditko.
@adrianmercado30924 жыл бұрын
Bring back the ending! "........... Until next time."
@r.g.o3879 Жыл бұрын
The problem with kirbys fourth world is that he always intended it to be a short one and gone concept. When it became a big hit and DC wanted more this seemed like a slap to kirby. They kept wanting him to provide more while he had always seen it as a short term event. The brass at DC then made a big effort to make it appear that all the confusion was due to Kirby!
@hurdygurdyguy14 жыл бұрын
Kirby was and will always be The King! Amen!! (I was hoping for a little about how his concept art for the proposed film Lord of Light was used as a backdrop ruse in Operation Argo in Iran)...
@OrtemionQC Жыл бұрын
I think he could have made The Fourth World a creator owned comic, so he could have the right to do what he wants with his characters, he could have even still do the idea that New Genesis & Apocalyspe were created after Ragnarok in North Mythologie but he would have to make the Asgardien look different from their Marvel countreparts.
@eschnabel.46654 жыл бұрын
Very nice analysis.
@danzigvssartre4 жыл бұрын
For those interested, Charles Hatfield's "Hand of Fire: the comic art of Jack Kirby" is worth a read.
@marcustmachado4 жыл бұрын
I really hate DC for what it made to Alan Moore and Jack Kirby. I didnt know about any of this changes they made to his comics. I am in shock and really angry. But at the same time i always felt those fourth world stories kinda loose. But he should have been treated with a lot more respect.
@noneofyourbusiness46164 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Though in some ways, DC has been better to creators than Marvel. At least according to Len Wein, who said he got nice paychecks for each appearance of supporting character Lucius Fox in the Nolan films but got nothing (or close to it) for all the uses of Woverine.
@noneofyourbusiness46164 жыл бұрын
@Jacob Wood Yes, they both suck. I was just surprised to learn that DC, at least for a certain period of time, has done relatively better than Marvel.
@noravanguard4 жыл бұрын
Do you think hunger dogs could ever be properly restored to Kirby's vision?
@JackBeddows4 жыл бұрын
Such tragic story. He didn't get the credit he deserved and Stan Lee took advantage of him. Then, he goes to DC and can't get it together, his flaws as a writer coming to the fore, then back and forth without the recognition he deserved. Just for his 60's Marvel work, they should have given him a damn percentage of the company.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
Stan gave Jack a lot of credit and even named him The King. He was always praising Jack in the books and even in interviews.
@JackBeddows4 жыл бұрын
@@garyl5128 Yes, but he didn't give him the money to back it up. Stan Lee didn't treat him as he deserved. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Stan Lee fan. But it wasn't good.
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
@@JackBeddows I believe Jack was getting a fair rate just like all the other work for hire artists as well as high praise, and Stan took Jack back both times after he left to go elsewhere. Don't forget, Stan wasn't the owner - Martin Goodman was, so not everything was up to Stan. Stan was the guy in charge - chief writer/editor/art director etc but still an employee just like Jack. Don't believe all the conspiracy theory stuff about Stan, as much of it is just invented out of an unjustified hatred for Stan and can easily be debunked if you see what the people who were really there have to say about things. What happened to Jacks artwork was a travesty, but that wasn't down to Stan. Then again, most of the artists never got their artwork back.
@JackBeddows4 жыл бұрын
@@garyl5128 Yeah, I'm not a Stan Basher. But I believe Stan got more credit and money for the creation of characters that Jack was equally responsible for. I need to read more about it. Thanks for your input!
@garyl51284 жыл бұрын
@@JackBeddows You're welcome, and thanks for keeping things civil :o). Stan may have got more or even less credit depending on who you talk to outside of the Marvel offices, but he was a paid employee so never benefited financially directly from the creation of characters any more than the artists did. He was paid for his job same as everybody else and anything created by the employees was owned by Marvel, not the writers or artists. I believe there was a disclaimer that said as much on their paychecks that they had to sign in order for the check to be valid, so were signing away all ownership.
@dante_0962 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Jack Kirby joined Image comics.
@garytucker3563 Жыл бұрын
The Black Racer?!?! Did I just now learn of another lost original Black Character?!?