How Jack Kirby Created the Fourth World

[@monitor-mindtheover-void6712]

I love Jack Kirby and his fourth world, and his work's succession by Grant Morrison's Final Crisis and the fifth world.

[@joshuataylor7443]

What do you like of the fourth world?

[@monitor-mindtheover-void6712]

@@joshuataylor7443 ??? What do you mean?

[@joshuataylor7443]

@@monitor-mindtheover-void6712 I just want to hear your thoughts more in detail.

[@VonDiesel3768]

Too bad he couldn’t have lived to see the incredible things that have been carried on with the New Gods. They’ve never kept solid monthly books, but they pop up for some of the most incredible stories ever. Let’s not forget Darkseid becoming DC’s most powerful and prevalent villain.

[@wiseguymaybe]

It really is a shame. I believe that Jack was the major force of Marvel Comics and top editor Stan Lee took a lot of the credit. They say Lee was the one that wrote most the stories, but by Jacks account he didn't have the time to do this, that Jack wrote a lot of the stories he drew. Stan got a lot publicity in his later years, where Jack got very little.

[@hellskitchen10036]

Jack Kirby's Fourth World was and is the brilliance , accomplishment of creativity ! I've been reading comics since 1954 and these comics are legend . Nothing comes close...nothing!

[@SmoothLife.]

I’m glad that DC was the one to get The New Gods and the brilliance and complexity of its concepts. Not Marvel. Darkseid is also my favorite villain.

[@thumbsaloft]

DC/WB are BRAINDEAD for not bringing these fantastic characters to the big screen! A NEW GODS MOVIE is way way way overdue!

[@TevyaSmolka]

i really feel bad for jack kirby because he never got a chance to finish his story.

[@davidmacphee8348]

Yes. Jack Kirby was a story teller. His talent for art did not slow him down much.

[@dpelpal]

He literally created every character Marvel had, has, or will ever have🤷🏼‍♀️

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@dpelpal agreed

[@TheSmart.1]

Just read through the omni for the first time. I honestly think it should be required reading for all comic fans. It’s such peak.

[@kchishol1970]

This video completely ignores that Jenette Kahn, the later publisher and editor-in-chief, beginning in 1976, saw the genius of The Fourth World and worked to bring it back and at least integrated it into the DC Multiverse, albeit impeded with Kirby under contract with Marvel. Eventually, her faith was vindicated in the 1980s when the toy company, Kenner, agreed with the appeal of the New Gods for the Super Powers Collection. This allowed Kirby to return to his New Gods characters, however briefly and with his own frustrations with editorial meddling, with the first two Super Powers limited series and the graphic novel, The Hunger Dogs.

[@smikeye]

Kirby didn't coin the term "fourth world" DC's editorial did, Kirby preferred simply "The New Gods" but since fans glommed onto fourth world he acquiesced and went with that

[@davidmacphee8348]

My sound was not working when I made my earlier comments. Then I fixed it and got to watch your great video. I Love Kirby's Art .His DC stuff is my favorite .I have a huge collection of Silver age books, mostly DC. Look Man! I will never want to sell, but my vision is mostly gone. I hope nothing bad happens to my collection when I'm gone. I really enjoyed the art in your video.

[@davidmacphee8348]

A Big high in my life was meeting a very special man that I really admired for most of my life even now. It is now my 58th birthday. I held this mans hand in my hand and will love him forever. I am an Artist. His name is Curt Swan. He is Superman! The honest to Gosh Superman! So we chatted. I had to praise him. Now get this old guys. Guess who Curt really admired most in his life? Jack Kirby! So we started talking about Jack Kirby. I was talking to Curt Swan about Jack Kirby? Those two guys were so different in their work and they loved it! Kirby learned to rough out pages really, really fast because he was making the story and leave other people to really draw and ink it. He had a boxy style to his art.. Stan Lee did the words. Curt Swan was in a world where TV was hardly affordable and no color. He drew his characters so real looking that you felt you knew them in their facial expressions.. For Jack Kirby, he left it up to the really "good artists" to finish his work while he was in the middle of the next one.. Ha ha. No joke though, he knew that the new kids had to learn. Those two guys Man! There were so many great people back then hardly earning anything. They were great too but these two dead guys are directly responsible for Marvel and DC to exist. Praise those gods.

[@zeoinfinitneospace2134]

Jack Kirby created some Marvel characters and DC characters we should think for him for he has given us some great characters and stories Marvel and DC three of them badly but they should credit to him to Jack Kirby and we should be thankful for him

[@danielskinner5346]

In that first photo, he looked like a gangster. Cool.

[@sparkspark2314]

The IRONY of all this is…Kirby’s “failure” at DC gave them their BIGGEST VILLAIN…DARKSEID. And for all intents and purposes, all the major characters of those 3 books are still around…not to mention the BOOM TUBE…APOCALYPSE Mister Miracle and Big Barda, Orion, Lightray, High Father, Metron and so forth. Name any other “FAILURE “ that’s been around virtually non stop for 50 years!!! There are none. NONE. Jack Kirby’s failures are more successful than anything Image Comics as a total has done. Spawn? Savage Dragon? Cyber Force? Wild Cats? It’s laughable. And I mention Image only because of the initial success they had. Kirby was the genius…a genius. Even his failures were genius.

[@thefalsekingslayer3717]

I always think it’s a bit odd that people throughout time have tried to paint Stan Lee as a credit stealer. Stan Lee may have enjoyed the limelight and liked to be viewed as Mr Marvel himself, but I firmly believe he did more for credit in comics than most ever would. At a time when it wasnt even considered the norm to credit artists/writers/and scripters on comics, Stan Went out of his way to paint them as super stars “Jack King Kirby” comes from Stan. He wanted people to know and feel relationships with the creators of comics

[@kevingallagher188]

Kirby just revamped the Greco-Roman myths.

[@daviddyster4145]

Can you do a video on the Eternals?

[@davidmacphee8348]

I never got to meet Jack Kirby. Damn. Has any one else here met Jack? I knew a guy that knew a guy ..That knew Jack Kirby pretty good and really liked him! Rivals my arse. Jack loved him too! They just could not do what each other did. Yes. The Beatles and the Stones were not rivals. They were each others favorite bands and loved to get smashed together! Long Live that Music!

[@destavan]

I met Jack when I was 12 yrs old. At the 1973 San Diego comics convention. He was my idol without a doubt. He was one of the kindest people I have ever met. I asked him (very nervously) if he would be willing to look at some of my art. I look back and think.. nobody wants to seriously look at a 12 year old boys art. But he was so cool he says "sure! " he wrote his phone number down and said call me and you can come over to my house and hang out! His wife was a wonderful person too! There was a long line of people waiting to get him to sign books and art. He spent a lot of time with each and every one of them. I think he was just a warm, genuine person who actually cared about other people even if he disliked them. I met Stan Lee that weekend too.... He was swamped with "groupies" the whole time! He was like a rock star. And he knew it! Stan did not strike me as very sincere but then he didn't invite over to his house and look at my artwork! Maybe if he had I'd know a little more about him. Anyway Jack Kirby is still my hero and someone worth looking up to. Unbelievable guy! Limitless imagination! I don't think he cared much for people on ego-trips. They were hard to work with!

[@thisoldboy4111]

I was watching this hoping youd explain what happened 10 years later with the reprinting of new gods and the making of hunger dogs. I mean c'mon man what happened there you only told the parts of the story I already knew

[@krisscanlon4051]

I like Kirby's work and felt his dreams were squashed...he was trying to grow comic books up. I am not crazy about the 4th World/New Gods...some ideas were interesting the rest seemed too far out like the Eternals

[@steve_bal4]

Jack Kirby had an incredible imagination, and unparalleled artistic abilities, but he was not a great writer. People crap on Stan Lee, but he had the pizzazz and wordcraft in spades that those comic books needed at the time.

[@funniator]

First

[@davidmacphee8348]

Whoopi I'm last!

[@prometheusxavier9673]

@@davidmacphee8348 Nuh uh

[@lancep4164]

One of the biggest disappointments was when Kirby came back to Marvel. I was so excited that he was going to do Captain America. While the artwork was great it was as if CA was snatched from the Marvel universe and had moved over to DC. The dialogue and the stories were awful.

[@guanoguy4800]

Lee’s dialogue sucks