Strangest Manual Ever!

[@daves4202]

Seems legit. I see it in the Fast & Furious movies all the time

[@volvo09]

Hahaha! 10 shift races with huge acceleration bursts after every shift...

[@GFYM1738]

​@@volvo09the shifter is the peddle in f&f

[@ww6156]

Hahaha

[@MagnumTheGamer]

Underrated comment.

[@orest395]

Aaahh, the famous infinite gear transmission

[@beltfed4624]

To drive it properly, going 100 yards to the mailbox requires precisely 87 shifts. You can do it in 83, but you have to rev-match and run slicks in the rear.

[@gous5649]

Lmfaoo😂

[@toxicity6629]

Nah fr

[@coltbean1569]

😂 best comment

[@imonaroll9502]

If you do. Just be careful you don’t blow the welds on the intake. 😂😂😂

[@frightenedskillet1051]

Ohhhh nooooooooooo!!!

[@upshifter5316]

Is this the Corvette Peterbuilt Edition??

[@JustSomeGuyNotAnAlien]

😂😂😂 18 speed

[@waynelarson1576]

No it's the mack edition cause macks used to have some crazy gate patterns and trans setups lol first truck I drove was a 74 mack duplex it was 4 over 3

[@jeffneff951]

too funny bro

[@admiraltroll5255]

Pete's do have the "Corvette dash"

[@santiagoortiz3665]

😂😂😂😂

[@AudreysKitchen]

"and the car doesn't really like doing that" shoot I don't either lol

[@jgilbert392]

Facts 😂 either gimme a regular stick or a torque converter

[@StrawIsEpic]

​@jgilbert392 we all know as kids, the best sticks are the ones shaped like guns

[@afarmer3751]

Exactly what I said lol

[@HonestLies100]

Gold my friend 😂

[@elonmust7470]

​@StrawIsEpic Still are, & I'm 36 haha! I still enjoy wacking plants with a good stick!

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

I love the 80s digital gauges

[@ballsdeep6912]

Check the 300ZX digital dash

[@jsluji7321]

​@@ballsdeep6912i love that one its so cool

[@Emppu_T.]

​@@ballsdeep6912 check the Subaru XT Turbo digital dash.

[@Nx553]

The Toretto transmission. Nobody knows how many gears she has 😂

[@georgemccune2923]

This deserves way more likes, possibly its own dedicated r/reddit

[@W96NZ]

Got it, drive it like i drive my 18spd Kenworth W900..

[@Josh0718]

Back when GM was taking notes from friggin Eaton apparently.

[@philljustphill1656]

They put eaton transmissions in lots of pickups

[@Chezzzzy]

Yeah I clicked this thinking it was a truck video

[@GMbowtie350]

@@philljustphill1656Name one pickup that came with an Eaton. Ford had Borg Warner and ZF, Dodge used NP and NVs, and Chevy used light duty NVs.

[@philljustphill1656]

@@GMbowtie350 s10, f250, f1000 and some other

[@ChillkootMarkowee]

​@@philljustphill1656my 55 GMC C100-8 TRUCK has a Eaton HO33/35 rear axle.

[@minekeddy5764]

Interior looks badass

[@eldridgederring9325]

It really is.

[@blackice7408]

For an 80s car, yes it does

[@imaprinta]

Loved tis tranny. Had my '88 for over 30 years and approx. 120,000 miles. No problems and if in the city I would start is in 2nd low gear and hit the button to go to 2nd high, never having to touch the clutch - essentially making it an auto tranny for stop and go traffic.

[@destruxandexploze2552]

In my 88 I can use it in 1st which is even better.

[@repingers9777]

Im sorry but 120,000 miles is nothing 30 yrs is definitely something but that car was barely driven lol

[@NoChildSupport4]

I drove my uncles 88 vette and I liked the tranny in it

[@baseballer21and0]

I don't get it. Wouldn't you have to use the clutch to start it in 2nd gear?

[@mitchellandrew3318]

Need a video shifting ALL Gears

[@TurboGTO288]

That might be hard to do. First, you'd have to find one that works 100%.

[@TurboGTO288]

Lol, the transmission doesn't like doing that ... thats funny, because that transmission rarely liked to do anything ... like work at all ...

[@largol33t12]

I've heard about this transmission in several car magazines. The editors DESPISED it. It was clunky and so confusing to use. They were overjoyed when GM moved to the ZF 6 speed manual.

[@notdreadyet33]

Late C4 interiors are on a level all their own. There were some really cool interiors back then, but these were like space ships

[@brentworls8509]

Drive it like it's an Eaton.

[@crw3673]

I always wonder about this 4 + 3 transmission 🤔. Thank for education. Reminds me of dump truck with a high low rear end.

[@Kevin6t8]

It definitely makes sense to turn OD off, then back on after reaching 4th. It shouldn't be as complicated as driving a Semi Truck with 13 -18 speed transmissions! 🤣

[@CreRay]

Exacly, just use it as a 4 + OD like older Volvos had.

[@mikedrop4421]

I spent almost two decades in the automotive repair industry between y2k-2018 and never heard of the 4+3 until the 24hrs of lemons guys talked about one last week since someone raced a vette with that trans. Apparently it held up great while the rest of the car predictibly fell apart. Now you're talking about it here. Crazy.

[@TurboGTO288]

GM didn't use this junker of an idea for very long.

[@JustAPairofLegs]

Saving to buy a c4 in honor of my dad!!!

[@berniemiller2992]

Careful of 80s c4s. 90 95 gives you the zr-1s , 92s LT-1, 96 the LT-4 330HP Collector Edition or Grand Sport. Good Luck!

[@eldridgederring9325]

correct comment

[@berniemiller2992]

@@eldridgederring9325 thank you, good luck, good life!

[@ktx._.fishing3049]

@@berniemiller2992 90s G4’s have opti spark I’d rather an 80s Bette with an l98

[@Rich-fr2yv]

If you can get an 89, 94, 95, or 96, do it. The rest of them will bite you

[@fortyfiveseventy]

older volvo 240's had a manual similar to this but the overdrive only worked in 4th gear

[@jamesclarkson3009]

4 speed plus overdrive was very common in many car manufacturers until the 70's and 80's when the 5 speed took over. But I'm sure Volvo kept the overdrive function longer than most.

[@CreRay]

Exactly, should be perfectly fine to drive this transmission in the same way as your would with the Volvo. The same trans was also used in early 740/760.

[@Boykot1]

was looking for this. you could wire the solenoid to have overdrive in any gear you want, same as this transmission has

[@masonvevo.]

1st to 2nd to 3rd to 2nd OD to 4th to 3rd OD to 4th OD 😵‍💫 bro what

[@gentrest6421]

Typical Kenworth floating gears

[@BEAMERNOOB]

could you do a demonstration what its like trying to accelerate it as a "7 speed"?

[@operator91210]

I have a 4+3 myself and that would require more effort than what it's worth. Not to mention rather silly. The car has enough torque you could skip gears and it would not miss a beat.

[@TurboGTO288]

He can't, that would surely blow the trans up.

[@thebigguy8306]

Thanks, Kase, who had the Dodge Colt (Mitsubishi) of the early 80s with the twin-stick power & economy. Miss that little car, now seems like a go-cart

[@georgemccune2923]

My dad bought the turbo Chrysler Laser when they came out (can't remember the exact year his was tho) which came from the dying dodge charger daytona and went on to become the plymouth laser that then became the mitsubishi eclipse. That was weird time at dodge.

[@earlygail]

This was of the more creative and highly engineered ways to cheese the level on CAFE regs. Beats skinny tires!

[@jetmr_5043]

The borg warmer r10 overdrive did this same thing on the old ford transmissions

[@JoshuasRecordings]

I miss my 4+3 it was so strange and cool. I drove it like a 6 speed. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 3rd OD, 4th OD.

[@BeachBumAndre]

Yup, I had a 87 vette 4+3 manual Z51, that is exactly the way I usually shifted it.

[@martinvkumar1]

Interior looks like an old Technic music system.

[@Herogaze]

I love the dash on this. So many buttons, feels like ur in an airplane cockpit

[@eshwargoolcharan9344]

So i wonder, were these transmissions reliable?

[@attackb5349]

I mean…it was a helluva interesting idea that’s for sure 😂

[@DonaldSanetrik-cl3lt]

Gear venders makes a electric actuated bolt on overdrive/ gear splitter for almost every manual transmission and various automatics that does the same thing. I still have an old manual overdrive unit that bolts between the bell housing and transmission giving a twin stick setup. Got 7 gears out of a 4 speed

[@doctorlawrence4676]

Man that's is a weird gear overdrive transmission 😮 that's cool tho

[@Kevin6t8]

It kind of reminds me of the 3 speed automatic my 1995 Base Plymouth NEON had. Once it reached a certain speed, the torque converter would lock up, acting like a deep overdrive 4th! 🤣 I remember my Grandparents on my Dad's side 79 Dodge Aspen with the slant six with automatic doing the same thing as my NEON.

[@HIDHIFDB]

Yes my 2.5 spirit do that is kind of a 6 speed automatic the three speeds had that second overdrive thing acting like a really long gears

[@yeanah2571]

Would love to find a first year Neon stick in good shape. People hated those cars, but when Hondas were putting out 90hp stock, they were definitely ahead of their time.

[@TurboGTO288]

Both were probably just about to take a dump on you.

[@calvinevans8305]

I've always wondered how those worked. Thanks for the info. It drives like a wide ratio four speed until you get into the throttle. Cool

[@thedavid3737]

Love the gauges on this model Vette! Wish they had incorporated them into the 2024 Vettes as just a nice vintage look!

[@hoost3056]

You never drove a big rig. We do this all the time. Look up an Eaton Super 10

[@bldontmatter5319]

Cool story bud

[@kyototomokui6676]

Also don’t try to use overdrive for actual acceleration in any normal car, otherwise you’ll ruin the engine because overdrive is meant for cruising and not actually accelerating.

[@303nitzubishi4]

Great point any trans with an external OD (which this example is) has exponential stress on the output shaft/bearings when the OD is engaged. There's a bit more to it than demonstrated here.

[@GoonieLord]

Looks futuristic

[@popakcarder5886]

It can be even more confusing is down shifting. And you have to do all of this without looking down. Can't take your eyes off the road. It's just watching your Tak or red line. It came be fun, but it takes talent.

[@OlNoName]

Man that interior is sweet! That shifter sounds so nice too!

[@hawkeyeinthehouse2995]

Oh WOW I didn't know they had a transmission like that in the Corvette, very interesting but OBVIOUSLY didn't go over very well.😯😉👍😁

[@VocalVirgo]

I had one of these. 1987, 4+3. It was a blast to drive, even if you shifted from first gear to second gear, and then second gear overdrive, and then third gear, and then third gear overdrive, and then fourth gear, and then fourth gear overdrive. The transmission didn’t love being used that way, And the other way described in this video was probably nicer on the clutch. At the time, this was the fastest car I had ever driven. Before that, I was driving a 1985 mustang GT 5.04 barrel carburetor, 5 speed. But this Corvette blew it out of the water. It’s hard to believe that there are yet two other vehicles I’ve driven since then that blow this out of the water.

[@ictdpowerstroke4591]

This interior looks like a space ship lol

[@loenigma69]

The shift knob button indicator looks like the current Instagram logo! Never noticed that before.

[@jacobwebb8818]

It's just 2 rounded squares lmao. I want whatever you're smoking

[@weimaraners4822]

Tell me you're a millennial:

[@billyvandervoet7080]

Got to love the thought and time spent developing this technology. Don’t forget the high tech radio, gauges and all the knobs!!! I remember the speedometers like this, In high school a buddy of my had a Pontiac TransAm or Firebird with Tach and Speedometer like this. It was very cool back then but not so much today!!! 😂, still a cool car.

[@christopherwilson7698]

My brother had one I thought he lost his mind when he went from 4th back to second at 80mph 😂

[@eaturmeatornopuddin]

semi truck car dude, but that Speedometer n Meter Dash!!!🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@irishn8]

So you can be in an overdrive 2nd gear and then downshift to an underdrive 3rd?

[@volvo09]

I believe It's only an overdrive when added to 4th gear. It's a single gear, with wet clutch, that's electronically activated. The only limits are torque limits, that's why it locks out the lower gears. 80's volvos had a "similar" setup, but it was only intended to add overdrive to a 4 speed for highway driving, it wasn't strong enough to activate in lower gears... You can do it, but if the clutch slips you'll kill it quick.

[@irishn8]

@@volvo09 that would make sense but i think he isn’t explaining whats going on right. What I understand is that you can shift through the regular gears normally but theres a reduction gear that can be deactivated and effectively puts 4th gear in overdrive but is also available for 2nd and 3rd and is automatically cancelled if theres too much torque. Idk if I explained it any better but I also don’t know these transmissions. I do know that overdrive means the output ratio is greater than the input.

[@volvo09]

@@irishn8 yeah, this may work opposite of how I was imagining it. Good explanation.

[@maximac1515]

I would be confused as a passenger seeing it's stick shift and then feeling it shifts for itself. It's like half-auto half-manual.

[@Busdude97]

Lol, comin' from a truker point of view, I kinda like this!🤣💯🚛

[@El_Transportacoches_33]

This type of transmission reminds me at one style used in first-gen Twingo. However, the Twingo case was a automated manual transmission that the sequence to change gears is simillar at the sequential transmissions of racing cars. And this Corvette don't equipe this peculiarity, since the sequence of the "sequential" transmission is inexistent... But compense in the moment at change first to second and with the second push more the gas and low at first gear. Or this is that i'm thinking.

[@adamideus9222]

That's an awesome gauge cluster

[@chilledburrito]

Man this feels funny, those old ass displays that still keep up with modern ones, mixed with the weird shifts.

[@Mash333]

Better have some CSNY tapes in that hoopty.

[@chuckiefinster544]

Crazy what they did to avoid making a 5 speed

[@user-gi3dw2uc6r]

Corvettes will always have the best digital dashes when they were being used

[@microaggressions]

What car is that? I'm absolutely in love with the dashboard

[@TurboGTO288]

Its one of the least valued Corvettes that GM ever built.

[@gustini2146]

@@TurboGTO288it’s a C4 not a C3

[@TurboGTO288]

@gustini2146 Yes, 80's C4's are the least valued Corvette ever produced.

[@GMbowtie350]

@@TurboGTO288Gentlemen please, we can all agree both of those cars were just terrible.

[@TurboGTO288]

@@GMbowtie350 80's C4 Corvettes are the least valued Corvette ever produced.

[@calvinevans8305]

I wonder how much torque they can hold up to?

[@95Comics]

I daily drive this transmission and it’s great because the 4+3 overdrive allows you to keep the RPMs over 5000 the entire time you are racing overdrive and second gear goes higher than third so when you’re in second overdrive and you’re red lining you can literally go up to third to drop the RPMs back down a little bit but not all the way so it’s great for racing!

[@sunnicivang1093]

Ah yes, I definitely know what you're talking about because I definitely know how to drive manual.

[@clintonclosson4846]

Gear Venders overdrive unit. They used them in the Lingenfelter Corvette.

[@therealcarlmarti]

Similar to Volvos 4 speed + OD except on that one overdrive can only be engaged on 4th gear. The kick down feature is interesting...

[@craiggowsell8798]

I think these old 4 speeds are going to be very (if not already) desirable in the future cause most people want the newer 6 speeds.

[@alexmail123]

Do you have to press the clutch to shift into overdrive??!

[@georgemccune2923]

This is exactly the type of thing I would expect to hear from none other than a corvette owner being said to their wife that is in labor while in the back seat of a taxi cab stuck in N.Y.C. traffic at 2:17pm in July just as the babies head is crowning.

[@dancollins8296]

Absolute crap transmission. The 4l60 automatic was much better than this manual version. In 89 when they brought in the zf 6apeed it was light years ahead of this.

[@Oliver_the_menace]

I thought that was a Pontiac firebird for a second-

[@TwanVRr39O]

All you need is a 53 footer behind you and your a true trucker

[@Olds_Pwr]

Sounds like a Gear Vendors.

[@eilersmusic]

the gauge cluster is hawt

[@Blackdog06019]

My 51 Ford has a 3spd OD transmission in it. While you can get it to go into OD in 2nd.... you have to push it hard to do so.

[@internallycombusted1]

I just drive as a 4 speed most of the time only need od on the highway. The kick down works just like an auto. It's weird but pretty neat

[@troynasho463]

That is so different, I’ve never seen anything like this.

[@emoshawn77]

I worked on one in the 90's,.... Not a fan. Yours seems to still be working still so keep up the good work.

[@SimpleRuralGuy]

Making corvette owners feel special video.

[@dadgarage7966]

It's a 4-speed manual transmission with an auxiliary overdrive unit. Wow. Really strange.

[@Urapunk]

Serious road ranger vibes

[@joshuasteele4498]

Read car mags for years. C&D, R&T, MT, etc. I don’t remember hearing about a transmission like this. Interesting, but I can understand why it didn’t have wide adoption

[@rs3unos]

A sports car that shifts kinda like a semi. Take my money.

[@Wifyish]

Nice. My tractor has 12 forward and 12 reverse 😅

[@pjmillah2172]

Fuck what the car, doesn't like, I wouldn't like shifting like that either.

[@toriolafemi325]

Car dash looks like an airplane cockpit 😊

[@gogopedroe1873]

American cars have improved so much from that era... But before that they were great too... It's just this 79-90 something phase that sucks

[@TheCatOfAges]

lots of borg warner overdrives were sold in the 40s, 50s, and early 60s

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

Somewhat like an old merc. Although I believe the ratios worked out so you could go 2, 2od, 3, 3od.

[@RetroRoberino]

A manual transmission with kickdown. That's such a badass idea.

[@gerardomendoza9688]

Wow that's interesting is how a 13speed transmission works in a semi 🚛 truck almost exactly...

[@walkthnyt2000]

I loved the 4+3 in my 84. Unfortunately, reverse gear went out twice which was a common failure with this transmission. Other than that it was really fun to drive.

[@jamesclarkson3009]

Another odd gearbox - Mitsubishi had the "super shift transmission". 8 gears. A normal 4 speed gearbox plus a 2 speed transfer box - "power" for better acceleration and "economy" for lower rpm cruising.

[@georgevillanueva6926]

I can picture taking this thing on ur road test 😂

[@smoothALOE]

Wow, that’s really cool.

[@danielhomant2832]

You really want a crazy transmission, I'll have to get my 1987 Freightliner FLC out to ya sonetime. Is has the notorious 15 reduction in it. It is essentially the same as that, drop a hole to split up, go up two to split down. Except instead of doing thst for 3 gears, you do it for 5. Then ya flip to high range and row through the 5 again, heh.

[@jackcobbiii1797]

Looks like the Pontiac Firebird;)

[@user-ri7uz8jk3k]

Strangely the old medium duty trucks with a two speed rear end have similar goofy shift patterns (but power starts at 1500rpm with a 2500 redline so doing the process is required unless the truck is empty!) Not really sports car material.

[@crazyhorse8508]

They were usually 4speed carry overs with real hydraulic overdrive attached to the rear of units which gave maybe 15to 20percent real overdrive. Which was great with the right gear and engine for the highway.also you were not supposed to just push the button without clutching like what I've been reading that some did or would do because it would burn the unit out prematurely by slipping the clutches in them😂

[@michaelcuff3418]

Its like drivin a semi truck! Hi low double overdrive!

[@mixedboi]

Its like gta sa while driving over rails

[@turtletitan62]

Alright I need to see it driven like a 7 speed now lol.

[@ionbusman2086]

Reminds me of the CB900-1100 with the gold wing 2 speed box so it’s a 10 speed!

[@Sable.frc1]

I lost it when he showed you can basically drive it like a big line haul truck 🤣. God damn transmission made by Eaton.

[@xunnmann67]

Gear shift is built for a piano player but if you could get it right you can definitely make that transmission sing

[@JustSomeGuyNotAnAlien]

I only see this short, but what year is this version?

[@hommie789]

This was the Doug Nash 4+3 that was in the C4 Corvette available from '84 -'88. It was just a Borg Warner Super T-10 manual with a Overdrive bolted to the output shaft.

[@JustSomeGuyNotAnAlien]

@@hommie789 Thanks I was looking at an ‘87 coup for $5995 near me with only 55,000 miles.

[@hommie789]

@@JustSomeGuyNotAnAlien most of these cars were automatic so it didn't get this transmission. It had to be ordered with the manual FYI