Strategic Positioning & Crossfires | World of Warships Legends PS4 Xbox1

[@Aspengc879]

Tbull over here playing 3-dimensional chess while 95% of the player base is on checkers. Keep up the great work! Very educational.

[@ashetonneff1405]

great video! been having alot of games recently where I'm the only playing the strategic play which quite often leaves a very one sided game. hopefully more folks will embrace this higher play so the game quality continues to rise

[@packatk7431]

I love that you're talking about strategy and tactics. I almost always play in a three ship division. I will typically be the destroyer commander and use my torps not to kill or hit but to force enemy ships into broadside against my division-mates (quick, easy kills is what we're about). We typically hunt destroyers early and herd the enemy team into a tight ball if possible late. Cap control is the name of our game, and we're pretty damn good at it.... love these type of videos Tbull keep 'em coming.

[@AceMoonshot]

This, and the recent Cleveland video, are chock full of solid info. I have been saying for a long time that the DDs ability to turn bow-tanking BBs broadside is underused. Anyway, very informative video. Thanks.

[@daddymatty5869]

Agreed! Its a great trick with the HMS dds. You can stay out of range & drop one of your smokes. They are guaranteed to move out of position.

[@Stretch213]

I gotta do this better as a dd player. Thanks for saying this

[@Stretch213]

The more you make me aware the better I can do by you later

[@Air_Raider]

Nice vid! Really enjoyed the strategic perspective. I’ve heard you talk about this in other vids but a more in depth video was nice. Personally I would really like a positioning guide. Maybe for each higher tier map (like tier 5+), idk. That might take a lot of time though. Would also probably require a lot of editing to explain everything. Maybe someone knows a good positioning guide? If so I would be thankful if you could share it :)

[@theycallme4799]

Positioning is REALLY situational. In a nutshell, DDs need to spot without being spotted themselves. The smoke, is to hide bigger ships, not to sit in yourself. Battleships should be focused on damage to cruisers with their FIRST shot out of the barrel. BB should be keeping mind of where torps CAN come from, and stay bow on, going FORWARD. Trust your armor (if ya got it). He's covered the cruisers already.

[@01SARDAUKAR]

Great 👍 showcasing of the EUGEN And nice demonstration of the value of positioning But this concept are still foreign to many player, especially to the Akatsuki who was shooting at an Helena 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@qq7793]

Tbull trying to singlehandedly save this game’s gameplay by improving the playerbase

[@theycallme4799]

Tis all our goals, for a better game.

[@BlueZirnitra]

It's a better attitude than salt. Truth is any game like this is complex to get good at. No one expects noobs to be good at chess, especially when they thought they were signing up for a shooting game at first. People act like naval strategy is a basic skill like tying shoelaces lol.

[@rhysheron209]

Excellent tutorial. I especially liked your point about the number of enemy ships in your firing range ring and keeping that as close to one as possible. I think I'm guilty of poor positioning and being focussed due to being overly aggressive, so need to pay attention to that as the next stage of my development, and increasing my average survivability above 40%. That concept should help me work on it.

[@robarnwine829]

Great video. More of these - particularly regarding the role of cruiser positioning - would be appreciated. Thanks for sharing your insights!

[@christianlabanowitz9467]

Keep it up Tbull I really enjoy CC that talk about gameplay along side showing how ships preform!...that being said can we get a comprehensive Vlad vid there really isn’t one out there and it’s rough......

[@randychang9733]

basic board/territory control is key concept to any boardgame. there's an analogue in Call of Duty with spawn control: you can be godlike at aiming, but it's extremely hard to beat a disciplined team who's dictating the entire flow of the map

[@jokrhntr1351]

Same with the Battlefield series. Discipline and teamwork are essential to PvP games, even BRs.

[@theycallme4799]

Teamwork 👍 the FASTER people understand that, the BETTER the games will get.

[@Cowboys-bm4wh]

This is a really good video. I really hope people take notes.

[@Stretch213]

I'm digging. Love your approach

[@echodrummer4308]

Legends is two games at once: rock, paper, scissors (BB, DD, CA/CL) AND chess. It is, like those games, terribly easy to learn (right trigger makes the guns go BOOM!) but nearly impossible to master. It is a game simultaneously of tactics (aiming, angling, shell selection, etc) and strategy ( map control, ship positioning, target selection, etc). It is those players who can understand and master BOTH aspects of the game who can drag their sack of potatoes (team) kicking and screaming across the finosh line, earning a high win rate and consistently place high on the leader board. Thank you for the great content. Keep it coming. Stay salty.

[@HarmfulDesign]

I agree with you with one exception: the BB vs CL balance (at least at higher tier). Normally, BBs have the advantage over CLs, but the current meta is full of HE cruisers. In general, BBs struggle to hit these CLs due to dispersion, and when they do, they often overpenetrate and do minimal damage. Meanwhile, these CLs can rain HE shells down on enemy BBs and score lots of damage without any real thought or effort. We now have US light CLs, Soviet CLs, Japanese CLs, as well as several premium HE spammers. Battleship DC and RPs simply cannot keep up. I often get sunk when playing BBs due to fire damage without being able to use more than a single heal because the RP takes so long to recharge and I have 3+ HE spammers hammering me from extreme range. There is no way for BBs to counter this except for taking cover behind islands, but even this is largely ineffective since many of these enemy HE shells can arc over islands and hit my battleship anyway, all while I am somehow being detected by planes that can see through solid islands. It's honestly kind of ridiculous.

[@echodrummer4308]

I agree. Any cruiser having longer range than any BB is a bit absurd. As to the meta, fire prevention builds are basically a must these days. Flammable cannoniere is a dead skill. Overpens need to have a chance to cause floods if it is an overpen of the hull to force out damage con on cruisers. Fire damage needs to have saturation. It is obscene that the first tick of fire damage is the same as the last tick.

[@HarmfulDesign]

@@echodrummer4308 Yeah the overpen mechanic often makes having large guns a detriment more than an advantage. I prefer BBs with smaller guns since they are generally better at citadeling broadside ships and you sometimes get more guns, too (12 on Normandie/Arizona vs 8 on Bayern/QE). Fire damage saturation might not be a bad idea; they could also reduce the HP value of BB superstructures to make them less vulnerable to HE. I would also reduce the cooldown of consumables across the board. Legends has 25% fewer players per match than PC, the matches have 25% shorter duration, so I think the cooldowns should be reduced by 25% too. Half the time I don't get an opportunity to use most of my consumables because they are on cooldown or the match ends.

[@joeboyd3274]

The manufacturing of broad side is definitely increasing necessary as I move up the tech trees...6 and 7. Something that gets me into trouble is a seemingly much slower, feels campfire smores style and I get lost only to realize my support is in reverse. I find it hard to be aggressive without support and without spotting support hard to play from cover. Not sure if I am wording that correctly.

[@calmklods]

Very useful, keep up the amazing videos and comments! Very educative and useful, even for veterans as we can learn and only get better all the time :)

[@Razorback7124]

I was hoping that you would post this game because I was your Wichita player. I snugged in against that small island so that I could bet bow in to the Charles, Richi and Balti, and still keep my broadside away from that Lyon. I didn't notice that it was you until the end but I am glad that my first game with you in it was a successful one. See you again soon!

[@zeroroku2311]

Feels pre good to see games you've played in from a different view aye? I was wondering why you wouldn't go cap the area in front of you but if it was to protect yourself from the Lyon then that's understandable

[@Razorback7124]

@@zeroroku2311 yeah the Lyon would have had easy shots on me. I basically had to play peekaboo with him to kill him.

[@TripleCrown59]

As a noob, I find myself caught in the crossfire more often than not. Do you have any videos as to avoid being in the crossfire? I've been watching all of the strategy vids as much as I can.

[@jinx6493]

Great advice as usual, I just wish you had more subscribers so more of the ‘potatoes’ would improve their gameplay 😞 Have to admit though that it does seem to be getting better slowly 👍

[@williamchastain9510]

I really want them to add tier 8 to this game and the bureau is just a test of how they should do it

[@williamchastain9510]

Also I could go down the rabbit hole with commanders for hours but I have no one to talk about it with

[@echodrummer4308]

I got you. I spend about as much time in the commander and ship menus as I do out on the seas. The metagame of agonizing over the builds is what makes Legends so great.

[@williamchastain9510]

Echo Drummer it honestly makes it better than pc and I’ve played both an equal amount

[@Mr-Hakim]

They already stated that Legendary Tier was the end game. Unless they change their minds, I do t think Tier 8 will ever exist. Edit: Don’t

[@germodcm]

People always play the same side of the map. I'm used to hold a entire flank by myself, in order to prevent crossfires. Most of players feel secure only at the strong side.

[@nobysnobys8632]

Good tips man !! Like it !! 👍

[@nedhelm1744]

off topic but are we experiencing load sluggishness

[@maddogs1989]

Biggest problem I have with other players. I play a brawler BB for the most part. 95% of the time I run into people that dont capitalize on what on me taking fire and often dont support what my ship is doing at all. All to often I see BBs just reversing Cruisers not hunting DDs leaving BBs unsupported. Only DD players do their jobs correctly the bulk of the time. Playing the Massachusetts I generally take out at least one DD with secondaries or lead to its death.

[@TbullGaming]

DD players do their job correctly the bulk of the time? I would have to disagree with that wholeheartedly.

[@maddogs1989]

@@TbullGaming From my play through that's what I've seen. I'll admit even though I'm an original player from both xbox and pc I dont play consistently enough

[@TbullGaming]

@@maddogs1989 in my view, the destroyer should be capping bases, fighting the red destroyers and spotting for the team. Whenever you see them doing something else, like sailing around in the enemy's spawn for 10 minutes trying to torp a backline battleship, then they are not playing well. And that is the most common thing you will see destroyer players doing.

[@maddogs1989]

@@TbullGaming I agree that's what they should be doing 100%

[@SpectatingBystander]

Just started this & yeah first thing I did was ram the enemy 😂 ramming speed Mr Porter killed both of us in the first 30secs of the game.

[@oldmansolo572]

GG!!!

[@fintanlawton9502]

I didn't know there where already clans, when did that happen?

[@TbullGaming]

There aren't yet, it's a feature that is in development

[@fintanlawton9502]

@@TbullGaming Ah ok was hoping they would introduce that tks Tbull keep up the good work :-)

[@danplaysgamesd45yt49]

Need Le Terrible

[@adrianrivera7124]

Do you know when cross play division?

[@adrianrivera7124]

Is coming

[@TbullGaming]

No firm timeline. They are working on it, so it could happen at any update

[@rubenvt]

What's up Tbull! I've got a question, i've played 6games in a row today where i spawn on a or c flag and my teammates straight up bail on the flag and retreat to the other side of the map.. any advice on how to play those games when they happen? Because im never sure what to do.. retreat with these bitch teammates, or stay and defend of even try to capture the flag on my own? Bc this bs has cost me so many games and i'm done screaming in my mic lol so some advice would be welcome! Sorry for the bad grammar, i'm not english 😆

[@TbullGaming]

It's a complicated topic, but I made a video called When Flanks Collapse a few weeks ago that covers that topic

[@rubenvt]

@@TbullGaming allright i will have a look for that one tx

[@oldmansolo572]

Started with Military Strategy games, paper maps, cardboard counters in the '60s. Warhammer 40K later on as well as Wings of Glory (still play) and an assortment of RTS PC games and what I see as the biggest issue is very few players develop Map awareness or any concept of winning Strategically. It's just a kill fest and that he s why Ranked has been such a shit show is you have to win Strategically by capping bases, period.

[@TbullGaming]

That's a good background to have to give you the skills to view the game from a strategic perspective!

[@matthewhurst6099]

Mate 10 yr olds dont have a strategy beyond shooting the guns and going in a straight line.

[@lordredlead2336]

I mean when I was 10 I played lots of strategy games that is why I like warships because it gives you time to think and strategies is the key winning in this game

[@matthewriley4935]

Play smart, not hard.