Strategic Spiritual Warfare, Is It Biblical: A Look At Peter Wagner's Approach To Spiritual Warfare

[@marcbrule3205]

We had a woman in our church that tried to engage principalities over Japan and ended up taking her own life, having heard a voice she believed to God telling her that her sacrifice would save her family. There is sooo much danger in meddling with second heaven stuff!!

[@williamfigueroa4630]

Preaching the gospel in territories is how you fight principalities

[@FLIPPER1439]

Amen, plus these self proclaimed prophets and apostles have caused serious damage within the church. Almighty God has exposed them many times yet THEY rise with something NEW 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️ Truly decieved as the Kundalini Spirit has been very evident in their services.😥🙏🏻😥

[@Paul-Johnathan]

@@williamfigueroa4630 it’s also the most effective form of Deliverance because it’s permanent.

[@waynesanders1406]

There probably is no greater warfare than to promulgate the gospel that saves and brings light to the lost. If everyone in an area becomes saved, what power would ANY entity, regardless of rank, have over the holy spirit within us who is greater than he who is of the world? I think pursuit of "theology" and questing after solving biblical mysteries (like the timing of the Rapture) has become the new idol of the Christian church. It's like Michael Heiser said years ago. The great commission isn't to develop your theological arguments to perfection and solve the mystery of the rapture, it's to disseminate the good news that Christ has brought to those that are lost and don't know it. Your ability to articulate your theological position in an argument with another denomination doesn't save the lost sheep that has a unique spirit made by God that he wants to reclaim from the destroyer, it's the gospel and the work of the holy spirit. There is no greater miracle than the miracle of salvation (which is an eternal miracle, no other miracle can remotely compare to it; it is literally the only miracle that is immeasurable). Paul said he didn't come in with eloquence trying to sway minds with his theological gymnastics, he sought nothing more than to know and preach the Lord crucified (heavily paraphrased, but that's the gist).

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Yes! Know your enemy to defeat the enemy! Move in there territory and fight them with the Gospel. In times you even need to sin along with the enemy to reach them in a way that you would not have otherwise! But for the good of the Gospel!

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Expose them with their own Sin! Some of you will understand what I mean it’s difficult to explain its Spirit taught!

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

I have been through some wacky stuff as a missionary and I would never pray alone against a principality. However, as a group I do think there might be circumstances where, as a group, you can do that. For instance, the entire church in Argentina was praying because the government was trying to legalize abortion. Some prayed against what is clearly a principality behind such a law. In fact, I walked around the government house and did so with others. The next day the law was not approved. However, the entire church was praying for this situation across every denomination. As Christians we do also have authority over principalities as well but you better have a calling to take it on, and if you take it on alone that is a bad idea. The real spiritual warfare is to make disciples though. Let’s make the main thing the main thing.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

I can sure identify with what you have said. But then how does one learn without a few mistakes along the way?

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

@@Susan-zk7ne you learn by doing it with those that know what they are doing. In my walk, when things got crazy we found help from those more experienced. It’s the same as we do with say evangelism or teaching or anything else you learn.

[@bruceshafer6911]

John Wimber was my pastor 1990=97. He changed my life forever and his teachings and modeling informs my ministry.

[@lucaslogg1024]

Swede here! Have read basically everything by Skjell Sjöberg (pronounced "Shell"). He and some friends went to pray outside the free masons hc in Stockholm, they prayed for exposure. Just days after they were there a excavator that accidentally broke the wall of the building from outside, and old human skulls poured out from that hole in the wall. Yes. That made the news and started the conversation in the secular media about the shady business masons were involved in. He had some legit testimonies, but also some theological wobbly ideas. Interestingly, towards the end of his life. He made a turn from the strategic warfare. Took down all the maps and prophetic-battle-trinkets he decorated his prayer room with and keyed in on worship, playing worship 24 to prepare for the glory of God to fill the earth. His last book was on worship and how it invites the glory. That's a bit of a change of focus.

[@lucaslogg1024]

It's Kjell Sjöberg, wrong spelling above.

[@waynesanders1406]

Kevin Zadai went to the Georgia Guidestones on a prompt from a word from the Lord (and he was told not to touch them). He took communion with a group, interceded, and they left. Some time later they were destroyed.

[@bemoguy]

​@waynesanders1406 ,did he report what he was prompted to do before or after the guides tones were destroyed?

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Preparing our selves as if God was returning tomorrow is very important! It means learning and overcoming Spiritual Warfare! Through God is the only way!

[@markdurdle7710]

I remember during covid watching a number of videos from Randy Clark on his channel about this. He talked about a revival leader in S America that would do this kind of thing and when they cast out the principality of an area, would see lots of people coming to Jesus. But they had hundreds of people from the church praying for the minister and each other, while he was doing this. The minister would spend most of his time praising Jesus, it was only when he felt the power of God come on him so strongly, that he might die, that he then went after the ‘powers’.

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

@@markdurdle7710 I wonder if this was Carlos Anacondia? If so, that is a very special person who is extremely unique. I personally know someone who became a Christian when going to his revival meetings. My friend drove up to the parking lot and when he got in the parking lot with his girlfriend (now wife), he fainted in the car! And in that meeting committed his life to Jesus and was filled with the Spirit. I can tell you so many stories about that movement, first hand accounts.

[@Balaamsasss]

Wimber spoke out strongly against the practice of speaking to principalities and powers. He put the kibosh on this practice at a Conference back in 90-91. It was popularized by teachings from Larry Lea and Francis Frangipane around that time. He talked about the danger of going beyond what scripture teaches into areas that we have very little understanding. He also said that the practice of standing in proxy to pray for someone else was an occult practice.

[@Dday31]

We are called to be a royal priesthood.. & thru intercession with Jesus our High priest who is forever making interrcession & repentance Of sin work with Him in the Holy Spirit to bring the lost to repent & come to know Him. Moses did this & Jesus.."forgive them Father for they know not what they do"

[@aaronvienot]

@@Dday31 I assume you were responding to the second part, regarding proxy prayer? In Scripture, intercessory prayer is modeled as one or more persons praying for another person, lifting up their needs or circumstances before the throne of grace to a loving, listening God. The common practice of "proxy prayer," where a proxy sits in for the intended recipient, and that which is done over the proxy (they suppose) is then mystically transferred to the intended recipient, is modeled after occult practice.

[@bemoguy]

That's interesting, considering that Larry Lea suffered a serious relapse of mental illness, which eventually led to losing his marriage and his pastoral ministry at that time.

[@lachellenettles2248]

“Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there. Some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers also conversed with him. And some said, “What does this babbler wish to say?” Others said, “He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities”-because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? For you bring some strange things to our ears. We wish to know therefore what these things mean.” Now all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there would spend their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new. So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’ Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭16‬-‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬ He preached the gospel.

[@TamaraSCNBG]

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[@johnlim7153]

Number of Bible passages clearly instructing us to cast out territorial spirits: 0 Number of clear Biblical examples of casting out territorial spirits: 0 Ditto for spiritual mapping, commanding angels, etc etc… Scripture must be the foundation of all our practices, not anecdotal advice from people teaching their random thoughts as ‘truth’ (and then bending the Scripture to support their teachings).

[@EverlastingLife-pl9ug]

I was saved at a John Wimber Conference in Denver, CO. in the mid 80's. He was such an humble man and he always shared the Gospel message even with the spiritual gifts as the main topic. Later he had to confront issues with NAR and he did not go along with their agenda.

[@williammaier3850]

I agree with what you said. In the mid 80s at a Vineyard church, I was set free and learned to move in the gifts (doing the stuff as John Wimber referred to it).

[@EverlastingLife-pl9ug]

@@williammaier3850 Yes, my life completely changed also! Bless you bro!!

[@williamfigueroa4630]

The word of God is the foundation, so believers won't get deceived

[@jeffbarrett411]

Correct. We can read and see in the lives of the early church the deep rich faith those people had, therefore we want none of the ridiculous false doctrine taught by modern Churchianity

[@TLTSofit]

I imagine that a holy army is very diverse just like a physical one is. Act where you’re called in accordance to the Word. Great teaching- i love love love prayer walking. Love intercession- feels like the prayer that removed me from the equation to a larger degree and i love when i get out of the way! ❤

[@samcooperyoutube]

Good stuff, y'all!

[@JenHamilton777]

Daniel didn't have the HS in him. Ep 6 says WE wrestle with the evil powers. And Luke 10:19... ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY

[@Susan-zk7ne]

I think the question then should be How do we wrestle? Only HS knows and He will show us if we ask. Its dangerous to assume the process.

[@ShaMan54321]

Rowntree’s monologue starting at around 25:20 was simply great. Quite inspiring stuff!

[@richardmorris363]

Can you cast a devil out of a person without the consent of the person? Can you pull down a principality without similar permission? If… a principality is pulled down, what in this fallen world, would prevent it or something else from coming back?

[@patrickblend]

@54:00 that's the linchpin right there, man. Thanks for bringing that to light, Josh. This reminds me of a rhetorical question that came to my mind a few years back based on observing the evangelical, charismatic church: Is it OK to manipulate the word of God in order to assert a point-even a biblical one?

[@bradleyfuller3014]

I can assure you what they teach preach and evangelize is 100% real. This type of warfare creates leaders and teachers of the Church. And so much more

[@gracenotes5379]

This was well done by the Remnant crew. Thank you, gentlemen!

[@bradleyfuller3014]

I’m from Nacogdoches. East side United Pentecostal Church.

[@beatitudespeople]

The biggest issue with Wagner’s approach to prayer, according to his book Dominion (alternate title On Earth as It Is in Heaven), he believed in open theism. Open theism is the belief that God does not foreknow everything and co-creates history with the secondary creative power of believers.

[@bradleyfuller3014]

I believe that not one place is more powerful and healing or any spiritual work of God Is more powerful in certain places either! It’s the simple fact that people actually believe that and it’s the faith that’s created by their belief at specific spots that can create the scenario to happen! it’s a perfect proof of God’s word and saying we need faith when people truly believe it’s gonna happen more often there than other places even though it’s not that God is more present there. It’s the actual belief that people believe that creates this.

[@lisasamaras3109]

Please do another epidode! Also on NAR hermeneutics please. Thank you for explaining and pointing us toward the Sriptures 🙏❤️

[@SheryleSandy]

What is NAR?

[@lisasamaras3109]

New Apostolic Reformation​@@SheryleSandy

[@bradleyfuller3014]

You will be hit by invisible waves,forces,energy depletion of your body,confusion python binding spirits sleep paralysis vision hearing coordination memory impairment and the list goes on. Walk in faith it’s more valuable than silver or gold be filled with the Holy Ghost and never fear these principalities,don’t let the fear overwhelm you because it can happen,remember God is there and you will conquer the principality’s. With Boldness!!!!

[@pennymchugh3146]

Very interesting. Thank you. God bless you.

[@bethanybirch3927]

Fun note, Wagner’s doctorate was from usc in social ethics…not biblical studies or theology

[@wordwalkermomma4]

Thank you for this conversation. I can testify to the wisdom of NOT directly addressing the regional territorial spirits. Follow Christ Jesus by following the Scriptures. Period. “Full stop”, as they say, across, over yonder.

[@Jackson84825]

@theremnantradio what do you do with Ephesians 6:12? Or how do you apply it to your message in this video? Thanks 👍

[@karentoler8860]

Alot of the spiritual warfare is assumption...to assume God's wants us to Bind principalies..which are ancient spirits is just plain crazy...I was in a meeting in Pasadena years ago. Where Cindy Jacobs went against the Prince of Persia..all of the people who came with us .ran out of the auditorium...I so remember that even to this day years ago ....truly being lead by God thru His word is enough .God does the Work .I just agree on earth..❤

[@FLIPPER1439]

Seriously deceived ~~run far away from anyone in NAR.

[@brendahemphill6957]

great show!! Thanks so much.

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Healing someone by your faith in God in front of a congregation Will create revival for many souls there they will see, and they will believe because of the faith you put in the word and healed someone in front of a crowd that is why this is a good practice of laying hands and healing. Do it by Faith alone and not for people to see but because of your dedication to the Lord or God‘s not gonna heal anyone for you if you’re doing it just for the crowd it’s got to be from the heart and when it happens at the right place at the right time Revival will happen. It might even create Some to become pastors and teachers, which will save more souls, the list goes on

[@pastorshaunokeefe9276]

Ephesians 6:12 New King James Version (NKJV) For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

[@pastorshaunokeefe9276]

So what do you say about this verse

[@wrecklesslyhis]

“Gabriel eating lunch with him or something.” 😂 so true

[@SusanThroop-fm6kd]

The fact of the matter is that principalities in the end times were in will find you. You won't need to go to a certain city or place to call them down. I wrote another comment that got taken down of a harrowing experience I very had over the last 7 years. Fact is ladies and gentlemen we must prepare to battle them. No more lukewarm or nominal Christianty.

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Fear God only. Healthy fear

[@sethholloman7573]

Hey guys. I would love your input on Exodus 23:13: “And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth." There is something about this that convicts me not to speak of the names of these demons for the sake of God and His Kingdom. I've noticed you have mentioned saveral demonic names, but im curious, what are your thoughts?

[@SheryleSandy]

That is a great question, Seth. I have wondered that too - speaking their names and throwing them around like a trophie. I don’t get that

[@alisonbabichenko4043]

Can you guys do an episode on alternatives of what to do for trick or treaters on Halloween as to not participate in the demonic practices of this world but instead use it as an opportunity to bring people to Christ.

[@chazellis621]

Hey, new to the channel; awesome content. So in essence you believe you can cast out a demon in front of you/ via zoom but not a territorial spirit?

[@reuelkong6824]

Thank you Remnant Radio for a truly enlightening discussion. However, I have only 1 remaining, nagging question. Why is he C. Peter Wagner and not Charles P. Wagner

[@bradleyfuller3014]

Spiritual mapping? The first step in learning and understanding this is by simply observing the physical environment around your target area. You can tell by the trees birds and animals! Are there many dead trees,broken branches,are there crows in the area many vultures are there doves? And are they in places you would expect to see these animals or are they out of place? Are there the sounds of many locusts everywhere you go that’s abnormally loud etc….. read nature what u see in the physical are is an interpretation of what is going on in the spiritual realm here!!! Trust god pray for knowledge wisdom and understanding for the discernment that is required….FAITH! If you have the Holy Ghost and witch wizard diviners free masons……etc they will know and you will to!! Be battle ready for war and they cannot stop you from doing Gods will

[@bradleyfuller3014]

If you don’t have the Holy Ghost you will not be noticed by the principalities nor will you notice or care about them!!! When God truly anoints you,you will be targeted and you must fight back with the Sword of the Spirit. The Word

[@yohanabraham245]

Hey @Remnant Radio, have you guys heard about @Rob Reimer and his book Soul Care. It deals with deliverance and is a pretty effective model. Would be a great guest to bring on the show.

[@LoriMooreThompson]

Michael Rountree, your definition of prayer walking is not the same understanding of prayer walking for the S. Baptist. Interesting.

[@jenniewren9351]

I’m in UK and our prayer walking is either just walking and praying (as an individual), and/or using what we see eg walking past a school, praying specifics for that school and helping to ensure whole neighbourhoods are prayed for, not just the busy/rich/poor roads (which we sometimes do in groups e.g we join with a church in the next town to pray and then another week that church will come and join our church to pray.) I think there’s room for discernment and words of wisdom. One house always stood out to me, turns out it was a brothel, but by no means a Prince of Persia thing. I have also heard of the type of prayer walking they mentioned.

[@Justasheepwithashepard]

“Hi. We’re remnant radio. Of course we know who created Sunday school off the top of our heads”

[@Beccaboo739]

Experience dictates theology. Perfect example.

[@Beccaboo739]

Would you say the people talking about the ‘new thing’ comes from the dispensational systematic way of looking at scripture?

[@tony.biondi]

Apart from a lot of flaky 'theology', there appeared to be zero discernment vis-à-vis Todd Bentley and taking authority over his 'apostolic alignment'...whatever one of those is.

[@FLIPPER1439]

Absolutely, and I just deleted this channel as I can’t believe these guys believe what they are saying.😥🙏🏻😥

[@abaum23.]

Can you touch on when a prayer is more effective to be in a specific location vs. general area? Sounds like casting out demons is more effective to be near the person demonized? Any other time where it is more effective to be in a specific location?

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Watch comments starting at 34:40. We're arguing prayers will NOT be more effective just by being in a specific location. Now, being on-site may give you more faith - may change your heart to pray more fervently. That is a change in you - not a change in the prayer's effectiveness by being on-site. Hope this helps!

[@abaum23.]

@@TheRemnantRadio Wow thanks for responding back. I understand this part in terms of most times. But, are you also saying then casting out a demon is equally effective whether you are with the person or on other side of the world? Will the demon still flee either way?

[@abaum23.]

@@TheRemnantRadio Im genuinely just curious. Like James 5 tells elders to anoint the sick with oil. Is a lot of this locality whether healing or casting out demons then you are saying mostly for us to feel closer to the situation but is not necessary? God can work everywhere, I just want to understand the perspective better, haven't considered these thoughts before: the locality of prayers.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

We've seen demons cast out and healings occur via Zoom, so yes this could be done. As said in the show, Jesus healed people without being with the person.

[@abaum23.]

@@TheRemnantRadio I tried to nuance this, what about this statement? Would you agree? "God chooses to move more when we are present and are participating with Him but He is able anywhere to heal and deliver people." Somehow we see God move more when we fast and in corporate gatherings, but also don't want to limit God's movement when in reality He can heal and deliver anywhere, anytime.

[@pembertonjones8135]

I have never heard that interpretation of the fall of satan in Luke. Hmm

[@lucaslogg1024]

Something does not sit right with me when you at 51:-ish use the term anecdotal evidence, the common term is testemonies if you would steelman the argument.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Yes - in discussing theology, we try to make a difference between what is specified in Scripture and what is an experience / anecdotal / testimony. We love testimonies, but want to be careful to distinguish from Scripture. Thanks!

[@lucaslogg1024]

@@TheRemnantRadio That was not my point though. If you cared to steelman the argument of the other side, there are terms that does not come of as low key condescending, like calling someones testimony anecdotal evidence. Beside that, it was a good episode. I may lean a more to favor theese things, but not full out pro Wagner. I like listening to you when you challenge my own perspectives. Thanks.

[@DennisTreece-l2w]

The bible names 17 strongmen - should we bind these and cast out of people?

[@bradleyfuller3014]

How can you not believe that you can’t cast out a regional principality or demon if you can’t believe that how can you believe the Bible so simple as that? I don’t mean that to sound rude but yes you can cast it out!

[@Dday31]

Intercession should always go before preaching?! On Spiritual mapping & binding strong man (which really speaks of binding Or loosing of sin) John 20:23-24 ..we repent on behalf of ourselves & others in the past for whatever sins have defiled the area.. so thru power of agreement we particiipate with our High priest Jesus Christ who is forever making intercession. That thru repentance we affect the spirit realm & transform the mindset in that area & people. This is a principle I think is found in. Scripture?

[@AnonymousBibleTruth]

Different cultures have different values and worship different sins. The sins we worship define the demons we have. Demons live inside the human heart. Powerful demonic beings (like Satan) can enter many human hearts as shown by the Bible. Before assessing the demonic powers in different cultures, I would first compare the culture of the churches. Have the culture idols penetrated into the church culture? Are the churches in Asia and Europe for example different from America based solely on cultural preferences or based also on sin idols in each of these cultures? Sometimes, looking at another Christian culture may help us find the idols in our own. After all, Jesus didn't come to cast out idols from pagan nations, but he came first to Israel, the people of God. If we evangelize, are we discipling Spirit-led followers of Jesus, true to the Bible, or a version of our own sins?

[@JD-vw6vy]

Heisers off. Principalities gain their power through the sinfulness of men , not appointed by God..

[@donaldkastner4108]

Have you played chess? The warfare deals with strategies like chess. Every chess piece has different strengths like the has given each person a measure of faith. Gabriel did appear to Mary.

[@Micah_7]

The problem with using chess as an example is when you look at how to truly play chess the whole point is sacrificing the things you deem “less important” to get to the king so you put your less valuable pieces in there so they die but you can take the king while Christ said I will die so you can live our King sacrificed Himself for the redemption and salvation of everyone who calls on His name. Our lack of miracles today doesn’t have to do with the lack of faith of the people we are praying for but lack of faith on our part and while the remnant team teaches that faith isn’t a mental things while it isn’t 100% mental thing doubt is a mental thing and doubt is in ones mind and does go against faith.

[@donaldkastner4108]

The strong man also includes people and deals with the person spiritual house. I can't believe you guys put limits on Jesus. Jesus said that we would be able to do what He did and much more. You are not mature enough to teach this subject 😒 .

[@Micah_7]

The strongman is satan and Jesus already bound the strong man does no one read the context of scriptures? As for being able to teach on this idk if maturity is the problem rather a lack of understanding of true doctrines and that goes for everyone in this comment section too including myself.